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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Friday, July 15, 2022 9:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Five bucks says that the US did that. By proxy, of course, but it's all the same.

Got to keep those war drums banging when the people are tired of your fake war.

Otherwise Daddy Raytheon doesn't get paid and Mama Pelosi doesn't get her kickbacks.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

6ix, Putin, Signym and you call truth lies. How then can you win your bet that the Pentagon, not Putin, killed Ukrainian civilians? One way is that the Russian missiles did not evaporate on impact. The missile left jagged metal pieces identifying it as made in Russia, but when all truth is a lie, 6ix could claim the missile was stolen from Russia by the Pentagon, therefore 6ix wins his bet that it is the Pentagon, not Putin, killing civilians. Is it time for Putin to take his legal case to the War Crimes Court with the USA as the real killer, not Putin? Probably is time for Russia to turn the table on Ukraine for besmirching Putin's fine reputation.

Forty-five nations pledge to coordinate evidence of war crimes in Ukraine

THE HAGUE, July 14 (Reuters) - The United States and more than 40 other countries agreed on Thursday to coordinate investigations into suspected war crimes in Ukraine, shortly after what Kyiv said was a Russian missile strike that killed civilians far from front lines.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy told the international conference that Russian missiles had struck two community centres in the west of Ukraine, killing 20 people, including three children, and wounding many more.

Russia has repeatedly denied involvement in war crimes and deliberately targeting civilians since it invaded Ukraine in February. It says it launched a "special military operation" to protect Russian speakers and root out dangerous nationalists. Ukraine says Moscow is waging an unprovoked war of conquest.

"Today in the morning, Russian missiles hit our city of Vinnytsia, an ordinary, peaceful city. Cruise missiles hit two community facilities, houses were destroyed, a medical centre was destroyed, cars and trams were (set) on fire," Zelenskiy said by video link. "This is the act of Russian terror."

The Russian defence ministry did not immediately comment on the reports from Vinnytsia.

On Thursday, 45 countries at the conference in The Hague - headquarters of the International Criminal Court (ICC) - signed a political declaration to work together on investigations into war crimes in Ukraine.

Those countries included European Union states as well as Britain, the United States, Canada, Mexico and Australia.

Steps they will take include creating an umbrella group to avoid duplicating investigations, training Ukrainian prosecutors and expanding the number of forensic teams operating in Ukraine.

They also pledged 20 million euros ($20 million) to assist the ICC, as well as the prosecutor general's office in Ukraine and United Nations support efforts.

With some 23,000 war crimes investigations now open and different countries heading teams, evidence needs to be credible and organised, officials said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/west-seeks-coordinate-evidence-war-crime
s-ukraine-2022-07-14
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, July 15, 2022 11:14 AM

Quote:

6IXSTRINGJACK:
Five bucks says that the US did that. By proxy, of course, but it's all the same.
Got to keep those war drums banging when the people are tired of your fake war.
Otherwise Daddy Raytheon doesn't get paid and Mama Pelosi doesn't get her kickbacks.

SECOND: 6ix, Putin, Signym and you call truth lies. How then can you win your bet that the Pentagon, not Putin, killed Ukrainian civilians? One way is that the Russian missiles did not evaporate on impact. The missile left jagged metal pieces identifying it as made in Russia, but when all truth is a lie, 6ix could claim the missile was stolen from Russia by the Pentagon, therefore 6ix wins his bet that it is the Pentagon, not Putin, killing civilians.



Similar things have happened in Syria, you know. In one infamous "Assad gassed his own people" episode, the field OPCW investigators looked at the condition and position of a chlorine cylinder and concluded that the cylinder had been "placed" on the bed. (bc if it really had fallen thru the ceiling it would have broken the bed). In other words, it was "staged" by people at the scene.

The technical report was rewritten by an OPCW higher-up to say the opposite. It wasn't until a whistleblower came forward a few years later that the malicious OPCW report was exposed.

And then there was another "Assad gassed his own people" episode where a rocket fin was placed specifically in the frame to implicate the Syrian government, amplified by the (in)famous Bellingcat.

Another "Assad gassed his own people" where the same children's bodies were spotted (by a sharp-eyed nun who worked in Syria) in different positions and locations to amplify the public body count.

And, hey, what about the half-dozen scenarios of the Skripal poisoning, none of which made sense (it was the doorknob! No, it was the clothing!) or could account for the when, where and how ... HOW they could have gotten so far from home before being overcome? Or even the so-called Navalny poisoning.

And what about the snipers on the Maidan?

Or even TRUMP!RUSSIA!COLLUSION! in which file metadata points to files being loaded locally onto a thumb drive, not "hacked" via the internet.

You think our CIA doesn't stoop to false flags and provocations?

You think Russia would get a fair hearing in any western agency?

I HATE LIES. And you, SECOND, are a clumsy, twisted, confused liar who doesn't know when to stop lying.

It's a bad habit you have there. It must make things really noisy inside your head, with dozens of voices all telling different stories. You should try to break bad habit; it's worse than smoking.


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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Friday, July 15, 2022 3:53 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Similar things have happened in Syria, you know. In one infamous "Assad gassed his own people" episode, the field OPCW investigators looked at the condition and position of a chlorine cylinder and concluded that the cylinder had been "placed" on the bed. (bc if it really had fallen thru the ceiling it would have broken the bed). In other words, it was "staged" by people at the scene.

The technical report was rewritten by an OPCW higher-up to say the opposite. It wasn't until a whistleblower came forward a few years later that the malicious OPCW report was exposed.

And then there was another "Assad gassed his own people" episode where a rocket fin was placed specifically in the frame to implicate the Syrian government, amplified by the (in)famous Bellingcat.

Another "Assad gassed his own people" where the same children's bodies were spotted (by a sharp-eyed nun who worked in Syria) in different positions and locations to amplify the public body count.

And, hey, what about the half-dozen scenarios of the Skripal poisoning, none of which made sense (it was the doorknob! No, it was the clothing!) or could account for the when, where and how ... HOW they could have gotten so far from home before being overcome? Or even the so-called Navalny poisoning.

And what about the snipers on the Maidan?

Or even TRUMP!RUSSIA!COLLUSION! in which file metadata points to files being loaded locally onto a thumb drive, not "hacked" via the internet.

You think our CIA doesn't stoop to false flags and provocations?

You think Russia would get a fair hearing in any western agency?

I HATE LIES. And you, SECOND, are a clumsy, twisted, confused liar who doesn't know when to stop lying.

It's a bad habit you have there. It must make things really noisy inside your head, with dozens of voices all telling different stories. You should try to break bad habit; it's worse than smoking.

Signym, you are completely full of bullshit. The Russian defence ministry has consistently denied targeting civilians, despite the evidence. The evidence:



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, July 15, 2022 4:19 PM

SIGNYM: HE'S the one obssessed with solving the world's problems.

CC: Name any other "world's problems" I'm obsessed with trying to solve.

Global climate change. - Nope

Human/civil rights like Israel. - Nope

Abortion. - Nope

Covid. - Nope. Haven't posted about Covid in ages.

>>> So, lies, stupid, and fail. Good one Karen.

Karen: "Meanwhile, you have not named a single region (except Antarctica) where we don't have troops or aren't trying to destabilize or control."

Yep - not interested. But points for Kareniskya managing to go way off topic and work in a dig on the US. Cha-China! Bonus in monthly paycheck I think!

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Friday, July 15, 2022 4:24 PM

Ukraine Is Bringing a Big Gun to a Knife Fight

But U.S. and European multiple launch rockets alone aren’t enough to put Ukraine on the front foot for a counteroffensive.

With eight American HIMARS now in Ukrainian hands and four more expected to get into the country by the end of July, the defenders are racking up a major cost in Russian ammunition, supplies, and likely lives. Ukrainian troops knocked out 14 ammunition dumps in June, according to a tally by the BBC’s Russian service ( https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-62086287 ), many of them behind Russian lines in the Donbas, using the new weapons and another four tank-mounted rocket launchers from Britain. (More are on the way from Germany and Norway too.) The explosions have spawned a cottage industry of pro-Ukrainian memes featuring Japanese Shiba dogs in military fatigues watching the blasts, and the Ukrainian military believes that at least one Russian general has been killed in the blasts.

Russia has used cannons to batter its enemies from afar for three centuries, and officials knew that the U.S.-made precision missiles were coming for months, even sending a formal diplomatic letter to the U.S. State Department in April to try and warn off the Biden administration. There’s a reason that the Kremlin was nervous. The truck-mounted system weighs nearly 18 tons and can fire six precision-guided missiles at a time and then can quickly skedaddle, cutting into Moscow’s firepower advantage in massed artillery that is about 3-1 in the Donbas region.

Yet Russia still left itself open to a counterpunch. Early in the war, it left long, vulnerable supply convoys that were ravaged by Ukrainian sneak attacks during the Kyiv offensive. Now, they’re facing the same sort of ambush from afar, while the vaunted S-400 air defense systems Russia brought into Ukraine have been helpless against the low-altitude threat.

“It’s clear that they were not preparing to deal with this,” said Rob Lee, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute who previously served in the U.S. Marine Corps. “It’s been no secret that the Ukrainians have been asking for HIMARS for a while; it was no secret that when they got HIMARS, they were coming; and it’s no secret what the capabilities of HIMARS are. What steps did Russia take to adapt? It doesn’t look like they took many steps at all.”

The U.S. Defense Department and other U.S. agencies fed HIMARS into Ukraine slowly, officials said, waiting to test Kyiv’s aptitude on the system, reflected by Germany and Britain, which handed off multiple launch rockets mounted on Bradley tank frames four at a time. But U.S. and European officials have been impressed, they said, by Ukraine’s systematic selection of targets, interdicting Russian supplies and attacking command posts in a bid to grind the Kremlin’s war effort to a near-complete halt. The goal, one Ukrainian military official said, is to destroy all Russian storage facilities on Ukrainian soil, picking off targets about five miles behind enemy lines.

“What you see is the Ukrainians … actually systematically selecting targets and then accurately hitting them, thus providing this precise method of degrading Russian capability,” a senior U.S. defense official told reporters this month. The Ukrainian military official told Foreign Policy on Tuesday that Russia has responded by pulling back command posts, but because of the Kremlin’s top-down military planning and refusal to delegate command further down the ranks, it lacks the nimbleness in its logistics to disperse military supplies as Ukrainian defenders have done.

But Ukrainian officials said the weapons are not yet enough to put them on the front foot for a counteroffensive, which Kyiv had hoped to begin mounting by August. (Western officials more conservatively hope for Ukraine to start large-scale counterattacks by next spring but bearing in mind increasing public fatigue.) For instance, Ukraine’s demand for longer-range Army Tactical Missile Systems, known as ATACMS, that can be fired one at a time from the HIMARS truck

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Friday, July 15, 2022 4:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I HATE LIES. And you, SECOND, are a clumsy, twisted, confused liar who doesn't know when to stop lying.



She LOVES to lie about lying. Seriously, if she's not Russian she should least apply for special status.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's a bad habit you have there. It must make things really noisy inside your head, with dozens of voices all telling different stories. You should try to break bad habit; it's worse than smoking.



Dood, she's trying to do a Ben Kenobi on you! "These are the voices in your head...."



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Friday, July 15, 2022 6:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Ukraine Is Bringing a Big Gun to a Knife Fight

But U.S. and European multiple launch rockets alone aren’t enough to put Ukraine on the front foot for a counteroffensive.

With eight American HIMARS now in Ukrainian hands and four more expected to get into the country by the end of July, the defenders are racking up a major cost in Russian ammunition, supplies, and likely lives. Ukrainian troops knocked out 14 ammunition dumps in June, according to a tally by the BBC’s Russian service ( https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-62086287 ), many of them behind Russian lines in the Donbas, using the new weapons and another four tank-mounted rocket launchers from Britain. (More are on the way from Germany and Norway too.) The explosions have spawned a cottage industry of pro-Ukrainian memes featuring Japanese Shiba dogs in military fatigues watching the blasts, and the Ukrainian military believes that at least one Russian general has been killed in the blasts.

Russia has used cannons to batter its enemies from afar for three centuries, and officials knew that the U.S.-made precision missiles were coming for months, even sending a formal diplomatic letter to the U.S. State Department in April to try and warn off the Biden administration. There’s a reason that the Kremlin was nervous. The truck-mounted system weighs nearly 18 tons and can fire six precision-guided missiles at a time and then can quickly skedaddle, cutting into Moscow’s firepower advantage in massed artillery that is about 3-1 in the Donbas region.

Yet Russia still left itself open to a counterpunch. Early in the war, it left long, vulnerable supply convoys that were ravaged by Ukrainian sneak attacks during the Kyiv offensive. Now, they’re facing the same sort of ambush from afar, while the vaunted S-400 air defense systems Russia brought into Ukraine have been helpless against the low-altitude threat.

“It’s clear that they were not preparing to deal with this,” said Rob Lee, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute who previously served in the U.S. Marine Corps. “It’s been no secret that the Ukrainians have been asking for HIMARS for a while; it was no secret that when they got HIMARS, they were coming; and it’s no secret what the capabilities of HIMARS are. What steps did Russia take to adapt? It doesn’t look like they took many steps at all.”

The U.S. Defense Department and other U.S. agencies fed HIMARS into Ukraine slowly, officials said, waiting to test Kyiv’s aptitude on the system, reflected by Germany and Britain, which handed off multiple launch rockets mounted on Bradley tank frames four at a time. But U.S. and European officials have been impressed, they said, by Ukraine’s systematic selection of targets, interdicting Russian supplies and attacking command posts in a bid to grind the Kremlin’s war effort to a near-complete halt. The goal, one Ukrainian military official said, is to destroy all Russian storage facilities on Ukrainian soil, picking off targets about five miles behind enemy lines.

“What you see is the Ukrainians … actually systematically selecting targets and then accurately hitting them, thus providing this precise method of degrading Russian capability,” a senior U.S. defense official told reporters this month. The Ukrainian military official told Foreign Policy on Tuesday that Russia has responded by pulling back command posts, but because of the Kremlin’s top-down military planning and refusal to delegate command further down the ranks, it lacks the nimbleness in its logistics to disperse military supplies as Ukrainian defenders have done.

But Ukrainian officials said the weapons are not yet enough to put them on the front foot for a counteroffensive, which Kyiv had hoped to begin mounting by August. (Western officials more conservatively hope for Ukraine to start large-scale counterattacks by next spring but bearing in mind increasing public fatigue.) For instance, Ukraine’s demand for longer-range Army Tactical Missile Systems, known as ATACMS, that can be fi

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Friday, July 15, 2022 6:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

6IXSTRINGJACK:
Five bucks says that the US did that. By proxy, of course, but it's all the same.
Got to keep those war drums banging when the people are tired of your fake war.
Otherwise Daddy Raytheon doesn't get paid and Mama Pelosi doesn't get her kickbacks.

SECOND: 6ix, Putin, Signym and you call truth lies. How then can you win your bet that the Pentagon, not Putin, killed Ukrainian civilians? One way is that the Russian missiles did not evaporate on impact. The missile left jagged metal pieces identifying it as made in Russia, but when all truth is a lie, 6ix could claim the missile was stolen from Russia by the Pentagon, therefore 6ix wins his bet that it is the Pentagon, not Putin, killing civilians.



Similar things have happened in Syria, you know. In one infamous "Assad gassed his own people" episode, the field OPCW investigators looked at the condition and position of a chlorine cylinder and concluded that the cylinder had been "placed" on the bed. (bc if it really had fallen thru the ceiling it would have broken the bed). In other words, it was "staged" by people at the scene.

The technical report was rewritten by an OPCW higher-up to say the opposite. It wasn't until a whistleblower came forward a few years later that the malicious OPCW report was exposed.

And then there was another "Assad gassed his own people" episode where a rocket fin was placed specifically in the frame to implicate the Syrian government, amplified by the (in)famous Bellingcat.

Another "Assad gassed his own people" where the same children's bodies were spotted (by a sharp-eyed nun who worked in Syria) in different positions and locations to amplify the public body count.

And, hey, what about the half-dozen scenarios of the Skripal poisoning, none of which made sense (it was the doorknob! No, it was the clothing!) or could account for the when, where and how ... HOW they could have gotten so far from home before being overcome? Or even the so-called Navalny poisoning.

And what about the snipers on the Maidan?

Or even TRUMP!RUSSIA!COLLUSION! in which file metadata points to files being loaded locally onto a thumb drive, not "hacked" via the internet.

You think our CIA doesn't stoop to false flags and provocations?

You think Russia would get a fair hearing in any western agency?

I HATE LIES. And you, SECOND, are a clumsy, twisted, confused liar who doesn't know when to stop lying.

It's a bad habit you have there. It must make things really noisy inside your head, with dozens of voices all telling different stories. You should try to break bad habit; it's worse than smoking.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake





Yup.

You know when I was closest in my life to calling myself a Democrat?

When it was the Democrats who agreed on these types of issues with me when GWB was in office.

It's all right here in my post history.

Fuck 2020 Democrats.

Brainwashed fucking idiots and liars, the entire lot of them.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

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Friday, July 15, 2022 7:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup.

You know when I was closest in my life to calling myself a Democrat?

When it was the Democrats who agreed on these types of issues with me when GWB was in office.

It's all right here in my post history.

Fuck 2020 Democrats.

Brainwashed fucking idiots and liars, the entire lot of them.

6ix, you have always been a perfectly natural fit for the Republican Party. Vote for Trump since he gives your life meaning that it never before had! Be what you always were meant to be.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, July 15, 2022 7:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup.

You know when I was closest in my life to calling myself a Democrat?

When it was the Democrats who agreed on these types of issues with me when GWB was in office.

It's all right here in my post history.

Fuck 2020 Democrats.

Brainwashed fucking idiots and liars, the entire lot of them.

6ix, you have always been a perfectly natural fit for the Republican Party. Vote for Trump since he gives your life meaning that it never before had! Be what you always were meant to be.



I'm not a Republican. I've leaned far closer to being a Democrat than I ever have leaned Republican.

I will vote for Trump again.

But there's no need to give him any more credit for things he doesn't deserve. Voting for Trump brings no sense of meaning to my life.

Trump didn't drag me out of alcoholism. I did that on my own. No 12 step program, no group chat with "God" necessary.

I give my life purpose. And I've got plenty of good to do before I'm gone. For myself, and for the circle of people I care about.


I'm not the one of the two of us who has wrapped every fiber of his being around his political ideology.

That would be you, buddy.

Get some help.



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