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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
You don't care about Ukrainians either.
Stop lying

The truth is that Russians are crazy: If You Punish Russia, We Might Just Nuke All of You.

Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s powerful Security Council, doubled down on comments he made in St. Petersburg last month in an unhinged tirade against the U.S. on Telegram early Wednesday. Calling proposals to prosecute Russia for war crimes “legally void,” he said any attempts to do so “potentially threaten the existence of mankind.” “The idea of punishing a country that has major nuclear potential is absurd in itself,” he wrote, before launching into a rant against the “idiot” U.S. Citing America’s history of “senseless wars,” Medvedev appeared to argue that Russia should not be held to account for slaughtering thousands of civilians in Ukraine because the U.S. military did the same in Vietnam, Syria, and Afghanistan, among other countries. “So who is it that’s planning to arrange a show trial for us?… This will not work with Russia,” he declared, before going on to direct a citation from the Book of Revelations at the U.S.: “For the great day of his wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/putin-lackey-dmitry-medvedev-says-punish
ing-russia-is-a-threat-to-all-because-of-major-nuclear-potential


Signym, the Russians are doing a very believable imitation of insanity, don't you think? Or do you think beyond writing over and over the same old words?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The truth is that Russians are crazy: If You Punish Russia, We Might Just Nuke All of You.



Jesus Christ... Enough with the baseless hyperbole, psycho.

Do you know how fucking racist and paranoid you sound right now?


Turn off the news, stay off the internet for a week and go touch some grass.

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Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:34 AM

I think you, SECOND, are looking believably insane, but I don't think it's an imitation.
Well, you asked.

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Sunday, July 17, 2022 4:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
I think you, SECOND, are looking believably insane, but I don't think it's an imitation.
Well, you asked.

I didn't ask. I'm telling you the only way the Ukraine War ends well would be the same way as Russia's two wars with Finland. Every Russian soldier inside Ukraine is a prisoner, a casualty, a corpse, or fleeing. There is only one way for that to happen:

Putin is already at war with Europe. There is only one way to stop him

He has weaponised food, energy and refugees, spreading economic and political pain across the continent. Sanctions don’t work, a land for peace deal would be a disaster. Only the military route remains.

The idea the Ukraine conflict could be confined to Ukraine – Nato’s politically convenient grand delusion – and that western sanctions and arms supplies would stop the Russians was always a nonsense. Now, enraged by Kyiv’s stubborn resistance and hell-bent on punishing his punishers, Putin’s aim is the immiseration of Europe.

By weaponising energy, food, refugees and information, Russia’s leader spreads the economic and political pain, creating wartime conditions for all. A long, cold, calamity-filled European winter of power shortages and turmoil looms. And like a coin-fed gas meter, the price of western leaders’ timidity and shortsightedness ticks upwards by the hour.

Russia’s destabilisation operations, social media manipulation, cyber-attacks, diplomatic double-talk, nuclear blackmail, plus its unrelenting slaughter of civilians in Ukraine, will only intensify Europe’s state of siege in the months ahead. The west’s fanciful belief it could avoid continent-wide escalation is evaporating fast.

Though not entirely due to Putin’s war, Europe now faces fundamental challenges as big or bigger than the 2008 financial crash, Brexit, or the pandemic. Yet many EU and UK politicians skulk in denial. If, as predicted, the gas stops flowing and the lights dim, it will not just be a matter of closed factories, lost jobs, and depressed markets.

Freezing pensioners, hungry children, empty supermarket shelves, unaffordable cost of living increases, devalued wages, strikes and street protests point to Sri Lanka-style meltdowns. An exaggeration? Not really. Blowback, fanned by the Putin-admiring far right, is already gathering strength in Greece and Italy, the Netherlands and Spain.

In prospect, too, is a shattering of EU solidarity as national governments compete for scarce resources. Brussels is due to publish a “winter preparedness plan” this week. But its provisions are unclear and unenforceable. The broader context is lack of an agreed, implemented EU-wide energy policy.

Despite bilateral cooperation pledges, a total Russian cut-off could pit country against country, further inflate prices, and split the anti-Moscow coalition. In such a scenario Putin would demand sanctions relief in return for resumed supplies, just as he has over blockaded Black Sea grain.

Import-dependent Germany is already taking unilateral steps, seeking alternative oil and gas suppliers. A national emergency moved closer after Moscow turned off the Nord Stream I pipeline last Monday. Many in Berlin fear (and some environmentalists hope) the shutdown – and any subsequent rationing – may become permanent.

Robert Habeck, Germany’s vice-chancellor, fretted publicly about a “political nightmare”. Bruno Le Maire, France’s finance minister, sounded similarly panicky last week. He predicted an imminent gas cut-off. Waxing Napoleonic, he urged European countries to form up in “order of battle”. But as in 1812, Russia has “General Winter”.

As if the mounting misery of millions were not daunting enough, then consider, too, the war’s knock-on impact on efforts to combat the climate and biodiversity crises. In the UK and elsewhere, net zero targets appear at increasing risk of being abandoned.

Because Europe faces “very, very strong conflict and strife” this winter over energy prices, it should make a short-term return to fossil fuels, Fran

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Sunday, July 17, 2022 4:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The truth is that Russians are crazy: If You Punish Russia, We Might Just Nuke All of You.



Jesus Christ... Enough with the baseless hyperbole, psycho.

Do you know how fucking racist and paranoid you sound right now?


Turn off the news, stay off the internet for a week and go touch some grass.

Signym, 6ix: Do you know I am aware of what you two are writing in other threads? You two guys are as loony as the Russians. Here are two very brief samples hinting at the vast literature on mental illness you two have written about yourselves:

Signym
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65173&mid=11590
48#1159048
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SIX has well-earned mommy issues. In fact, so do I, and MY mom wasn't bipolar.
6ix
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65173&mid=11590
50#1159050
Quote:

I've always dated attractive women, but except for my first girlfriend they all came from broken homes like me and had plenty of baggage like me. I can count on two fingers the number of them who actually gave a shit about anybody but themselves. But I definitely had a "type", so that's just as much my fault as it was theirs for entertaining those bad personality traits.

That first girlfriend from the solid family home was a sweetheart. I was the one who got bored of that. When you grow up in a constant state of chaos, somebody who is rational, predictable and caring somehow isn't all that appealing. I'd say that dumping her was one of the worst mistakes of my life, but that would be a lie. It was probably the nicest thing anybody ever did for her.

If you read 6ix's 83 (83!) comments on the movie Joker before and after it premiered, 6ix makes it plain as daylight (except to himself) he felt as oppressed and downtrodden as the Joker did. Once 6ix switched to his attack mode (I give all credit to Trump for showing 6ix in 2016 what attack mode is) 6ix feels energized and completely alive, as the Joker felt once he went on a killing spree in the final acts of the movie. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=36&tid=63327&p=1
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63299&mid=10838
27#1083827


Russians being angry and killing Ukrainians because Nazis offend Russians' sensibilities is no different than the Joker being angry and killing Gotham City civilians who offend the Joker's feelings of self-importance. The Russians are as crazy as the Joker and their mentality is imitating a comic book villain.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:13 PM

The West Worries Too Much About Escalation in Ukraine

NATO Can Do More Without Provoking Moscow

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-07-12/west-worrie
s-too-much-about-escalation-ukraine


As the world looks on while Ukrainians fight for their lives and their freedom, many feel a burning desire to do more to support them. The problem is not a lack of forces or resources—it is fear of provoking a wider, perhaps nuclear, war with Russia. That fear is why U.S. President Joe Biden and other NATO leaders have consistently made clear that they will not intervene directly in the conflict, instead limiting their help to weapons, money, intelligence, and sanctions. As devastating as events in Ukraine are today, a nuclear war with Russia could kill more people than Ukraine’s entire population of roughly 44 million.

NATO leaders understand that they must walk this fine line between aiding Ukraine and risking war with Russia, but they have no theory of how to do it. The German and French governments hem and haw about whether to provide Ukraine with tanks. When Poland proposed a plan to transfer MiG-29 fighter aircraft to Ukraine, the United States refused. U.S. Defense Department spokesperson John Kirby warned that it “raises serious concerns for the entire NATO alliance” and therefore was not “tenable.” Yet the United States was already shipping Javelin antitank missiles and Stinger surface-to-air missiles. Soon after, it began sending other weapons, including M777 howitzers and now HIMARS multiple rocket launchers. What is the difference? Those weapons do more to strengthen Ukraine’s combat power than MiG-29s, so the theory cannot be that Russia reacts more strongly to policies that do more harm to its interests. Why, then, missiles and artillery but not planes? The answer is that there is no answer. It is simply arbitrary.

NATO needs a strategy predicated on a theory of what it can do to aid Ukraine without widening the war to a direct conflict between it and Russia. Lessons from past crises point to the principles that should guide such a strategy. History shows that NATO would recklessly risk war only by crossing two Russian redlines: openly firing on Russian forces or deploying organized combat units under NATO-member flags into Ukraine. As long as NATO stops short of unmistakably crossing those lines, it can do more to help Ukraine at an acceptable risk of war.

Arms transfers and sanctions are both wholly consistent with this approach, so it is tempting to conclude that NATO members are doing all they can. They are not. They should build on current policies by dispensing with arbitrary limits on the types of conventional weapons they are providing Ukraine and expanding sanctions. Moreover, there is a third way to support Ukraine besides arms and sanctions—one that NATO is neglecting. It is time for NATO to encourage, organize, and equip its soldiers to volunteer to fight for Ukraine.

WALKING THE LINE

NATO should pursue a strategy of going as far as possible in Ukraine without plainly crossing Russia’s redlines—meaning refusing to openly attack Russian forces or send combat units into the country. The United States prevailed in the gravest crises of the Cold War by using this approach.

The Cold War’s first major showdown—the Berlin blockade of 1948–49—evinced this strategy. Although easily able to overwhelm U.S., British, and French troops in what would become West Berlin—an enclave deep inside Soviet-occupied East Germany—Soviet leader Josef Stalin did not seize the territory. To do so would have meant attacking those troops and thus provoking war. Instead, he imposed a blockade that choked off food and coal for two million Berliners. When Soviet troops blocked the roads and railways, Western leaders declined to attack them to reopen supply corridors. They resorted to an airlift instead, betting that Stalin would not attack defenseless transport aircraft. In the end, the vaunted Berlin airlift succeeded.

More than a decade later, American leaders decided to impose a bl

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Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
If you read 6ix's 83 (83!) comments on the movie Joker before and after it premiered, 6ix makes it plain as daylight (except to himself) he felt as oppressed and downtrodden as the Joker did. Once 6ix switched to his attack mode (I give all credit to Trump for showing 6ix in 2016 what attack mode is) 6ix feels energized and completely alive, as the Joker felt once he went on a killing spree in the final acts of the movie.



Most of those comments after the first couple were tables comparing how Joker with its 50 million dollar budget destroyed whatever Star Wars woke piece of trash with it's insane production budget.

Anybody looking at my posts there should take a look at Second's posts on Joker if you want to see something truly creepy. He really, really, really seemed to focus on the part where Arthur smothered his mom with a pillow.


Whatever you say, Norman Bates.


Meanwhile, here's a list of Second's greatest hits on this website under both of his aliases:

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Repost of thread to HAKEN created on June 17, 2022 and updated on June 22nd, 2022.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65116

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NOTICE TO HAKEN: Second's Death Threats, Assassination Attempt Fantasies, Violent Posts, and other toxic behavior

The remaining members of Fireflyfans.net should not be subjected to Second's behavior, his calls for violence, his racism and his wishing death on others he doesn't agree with.

I'm asking Haken now to finally remove Second from these boards. Ever since his other handle Reaverfan was banned from Fireflyfans.net, his Second handle has devolved into little more than a violence fantasy factory.


NOTES:


July 30, 2019: Death threat against President Trump

https://archive.ph/i73bY

October 31st, 2020: Death threat against Amy Coney Barrett

https://archive.ph/6nwD9

October 31st, 2020: Second death threat that day against Amy Coney Barrett

https://archive.ph/6nwD9

September 2nd, 2021: Death threat against the Supreme Court Justices

https://archive.ph/IJw76

April 28th, 2022: Death threat against President Trump

https://archive.ph/NFbSt

March 30th, 2022: Death threat against President Trump

https://archive.ph/L0Zeq

March 30th, 2022: Second death threat that day against President Trump

https://archive.ph/nVqVC

May 2nd, 2022: Second throws around the N word like he owns it

https://archive.ph/B8ocv

May 25th, 2022: Death threat against the Supreme Court

https://archive.ph/OaT3U

June 4th, 2022: Second wishes death on me (Under his Second handle, not his Reaverfan one)

https://archive.ph/J0RY6

June 5th, 2022: Death threat against President Trump

https://archive.ph/rIr6u

June 22nd, 2022: Second threatens to burn my house down in an Italian Mafia style "It would be a shame if your house burned down" kind of way.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220622232014/http://fireflyfans.net/mthr
ead.aspx?bid=18&tid=64666&p=7

July 13, 2022: Death threat against President Trump.

https://archive.ph/rX2bm

July 14th, 2022: Death threat against President Trump

https://archive.ph/pWizO



I decided at this time not to add the stuff that Kiki has archived on her own through this site, because there are no time stamps here and unless there is a way to find posts and date/time stamps on the administrative side to verify them, they were not archived offsite like the preceding posts were. Though I do know that her archival were things he said in the past, it is too easy to fake somebody else's posts by these means without an outside archival website and I will not enter them here unless asked for them.


At this point I ask Haken either to give a stern talking to at Second about his behavior, or just outright ban him from the site entirely. There is a line, and he has repeatedly crossed it under his Second handle nearly as frequently as he did under his unabashedly toxic Reav

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Sunday, July 17, 2022 7:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
If you read 6ix's 83 (83!) comments on the movie Joker before and after it premiered, 6ix makes it plain as daylight (except to himself) he felt as oppressed and downtrodden as the Joker did. Once 6ix switched to his attack mode (I give all credit to Trump for showing 6ix in 2016 what attack mode is) 6ix feels energized and completely alive, as the Joker felt once he went on a killing spree in the final acts of the movie.



Most of those comments after the first couple were tables comparing how Joker with its 50 million dollar budget destroyed whatever Star Wars woke piece of trash with it's insane production budget.

Anybody looking at my posts there should take a look at Second's posts on Joker if you want to see something truly creepy. He really, really, really seemed to focus on the part where Arthur smothered his mom with a pillow.


Whatever you say, Norman Bates.

6ix, you are in attack mode. Here is one of my comments on Joker, that mentions Trump. It could have mentioned Putin, a crook who didn't pay his taxes on the bribes he took while Deputy Mayor of St. Petersburg. Putin's crooked ways got bigger and now the crook is stealing the country of Ukraine:
Quote:

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don’t read comics. I own a set of Firefly comics, but haven’t followed DC or Marvel or any other comics in 40+ years.

Interjecting the comics to this movie discussion makes no point.

That is exactly like saying Trump's history of acrimonious divorces, multiple bankruptcies and of being sued and losing has no connection to the chaos of how he conducts himself as President. Trump is the same man before and after election. Joker is the same character before and after this movie. You might not read about Joker, but the writer/director knows Joker from the comics. Those 3 recent Joker comics are perfectly consistent with the Joker movie.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=36&tid=63327&mid=10947
27#1094727


There are many stories about how younger Putin was a crook:
https://www.google.com/search?q=putin+deputy+mayor+st.+petersburg
A sample of titles:
Has Vladimir Putin Always Been Corrupt? And Does it Matter?
Former Petersburg Entrepreneur Recalls A 'Driven' Putin With His Hand Out
Stealing Russia Blind
Putin’s Kleptocracy: Who Owns Russia?

Putin's past history (as is true in the case of Trump) explains why Putin now governs Russia violently and dishonestly and why Putin would attempt to steal Ukraine from its people. Putin's theft is not going as smoothly as expected, considering how mismatched Ukraine/Russia are. But Stalin's failed theft of all Finland didn't go smoothly, either, especially considering the mismatch in military size between Finland and Russia.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:35 PM

VINNYTSIA, Ukraine (AP) — Beautiful and serene in a crown of white flowers, 4-year-old Liza who was killed by a Russian missile strike, was buried Sunday in central Ukraine as an Orthodox priest burst into tears and told weeping relatives that “evil cannot win.”

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-55b856fc5d338fb2b97d5b639d82
58a2


Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Andrey Rudenko got upset when Russia was called evil. "We're not evil, you're evil," was his reply.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
I think you, SECOND, are looking believably insane, but I don't think it's an imitation.
Well, you asked.

I didn't ask.

You did.
Stop lying.

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