Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 12, 2022 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by THG: Comrade Signym refuses to acknowledge G, that Jan. 6th is about riots and a coup attempt, not protests. And let's not forget the obvious reasons why she refuses to admit this. She is Russian.

I've always say it was a protest that SOME people turned into a riot.

But a "coup" attempt?
Without widely distributed guns; a plan to secure the capitol, police forces, and media; and an organization ready to take over the government?

You're still abyssmally stupid. When will you start using whatever neurons you have?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 12, 2022 11:21 PM

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SignyM:
Here we have freedom of speech. Well, technically, anyway, altho don't ask the Jan 6 protesters!

CAPON: The fact that you know so little about the "protest" is telling.

htt p://youtu.be/Iludfj6Pe7w

"peacefully assemble?" No, violence with intent. Do I have to show the violence some of the Jan 6 Trump mob committed inside the capital?

Same answer as to THUGR, in detail:

Number of people attending; estimated at as much as 120,000
Number of people who entered the capitol bldg (including those who walked in) 800-1,200
Number of people ultimately arrested: approximately 900
Number of people charged with "seditious behavior": 10
Number of people charged with bringing a gun to the capitol: THREE (or five, depending on how you want to count it.)
Number of police with serius injuries: about 50
Number of fires started or buildings burned: zero

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The most common charge pleaded guilty to: "illegally parading or demonstrating in the Capitol, a misdemeanor"

... many of those sentenced so far were only convicted of illegally entering the Capitol building, and were not involved in the more violent and destructive aspects related to storming the building.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/04/jan-6-insurrection-sentencing
-tracker-526091
https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-char
ges-names-2021-1

What the numbers show is that the overwhelming majority (99%) were peacefully protesting, and of those who entered a restriced area, most did so without weapons.
A FEW used weapons adventitiously at-hand: planks, flagpoles, etc and a vanishingly small number brought weapons (eg. hockey stick) with them.
If that's an "insurrection", it's a paltry one.
It best fits the description of a "riot".
The OVERHWELMING MAJORITY were engaged in First Amendment speech.
You can show that "weapons" were involved, which makes it "armed", but don't conflate it with an "insurrection"

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Originally posted by SignyM:
OTOH I don't put up with the lies, propaganda, bullying, bullshit, censorship, and rah-rah-ism here either.
Why do you?

CAPON: I can't stop you from typing what you type.

But "social media" and the M$M can, and does.

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CAPON: I can only ~~challenge it, show the inconsistencies, lies, deflections and false claims and hope others recognize it for what it is.~~ defame you, lie about what you've posted, bully you, lie about what happened, and in general behave like an asshole with an agenda.

FIFY

A law enforcment view:

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Thousands of cops were injured, over $2 billion in damage during Floyd riots. Where are the “congressional hearings”?

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/thousands-of-cops-were-injured-ove
r-2-billion-in-damage-during-floyd-riots-where-are-the-congressional-hearings/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Tuesday, July 12, 2022 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by THG: Comrade Signym refuses to acknowledge G, that Jan. 6th is about riots and a coup attempt, not protests. And let's not forget the obvious reasons why she refuses to admit this. She is Russian.

I've always say it was a protest that SOME people turned into a riot.

But a "coup" attempt?
Without widely distributed guns; a plan to secure the capitol, police forces, and media; and an organization ready to take over the government?

You're still abyssmally stupid. When will you start using whatever neurons you have?

The cops only had to kill Ashli Babbitt and then the other Trumptards ran away. But if the Trumptards hadn't run, the cops had enough bullets to kill them all. One bullet into Putin's chest would be enough to end the Ukrainian War. But if one bullet won't do, the Ukrainians have enough ammo to kill every Russian on the wrong side of the border.

Department of Justice Closes Investigation into the Death of Ashli Babbitt
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/department-justice-closes-investiga
tion-death-ashli-babbitt

What Happened to the Jan. 6 Insurrectionists Arrested Since the Capitol Riot - June 15, 2022
https://time.com/6133336/jan-6-capitol-riot-arrests-sentences/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 13, 2022 1:31 AM

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Originally posted by THG: Comrade Signym refuses to acknowledge G, that Jan. 6th is about riots and a coup attempt, not protests. And let's not forget the obvious reasons why she refuses to admit this. She is Russian.

SIGNY: I've always say it was a protest that SOME people turned into a riot.
But a "coup" attempt?
Without widely distributed guns; a plan to secure the capitol, police forces, and media; and an organization ready to take over the government?

You're still abyssmally stupid. When will you start using whatever neurons you have?

SECOND: The cops only had to kill Ashli Babbitt and then the other Trumptards ran away.

So, not an insurrection then!

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SECOND: But if the Trumptards hadn't run, the cops had enough bullets to kill them all.

MORE evidence that it was not an insurrection! Bc clearly, the protesters/ trespassers/ rioters weren't prepared to fight.

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Ones bullet into Putin's chest would be enough to end the Ukrainian War. But if one bullet won't do, the Ukrainians have enough ammo to kill every Russian on the wrong side of the border.

More sick fantasies.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, July 13, 2022 3:04 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've always say it was a protest that SOME people turned into a riot.

More like a protest turned into a riot and then turned into a coup, although a coup was always the design from Trump. There were plenty of weapons, bombs even - crude but deadly.

"But a "coup" attempt?" - uh-huh.

"Without widely distributed guns" - they had them stock piled in VA and locally - read something.

"a plan to secure the capitol" - that wouldn't stop a mob, especially with hostages - zip ties? What were they for??

"police forces" - how do you know? Crazy as fck Mike Flynn's brother was the deputy chief of staff of the Army, and the Army is reporting:
"The Army is now acknowledging that Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn, the brother of President Donald Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn, was in the room for one of the key January 6 phone calls in which DC government and US Capitol Police were asking for National Guard troops to quell the unfolding violence at the US Capitol."

"and media" - They had The Internet. Yanno Twitter, Facebook. Bigger and more focused and more immediate that the "media" I think you're talking about.

"and an organization ready to take over the government?" - uh, Trump? The former president? Who knows what he was thinking, but the who knows what Jim Jones was thinking.

SECOND

Wednesday, July 13, 2022 3:18 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Blah. Blah. Blah.

"Special military operation" is okay, but never use the terms “invasion”, “attack” or “war”. This is the same reasoning as declaring never use the term "insurrection" for the January 6th Insurrection.
Do not call Ukraine invasion a ‘war’, Russia tells media, schools
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/do-not-call-ukraine-invasion-a
-war-russia-tells-media-schools

And it is fact, not fantasy, that Putin acting alone started the "special military operation". Putin is the engine that makes the war go on and on.
Russian President Putin Statement on Ukraine - February 21, 2022
https://www.c-span.org/video/?518097-2/russian-president-putin-recogni
zes-independence-donetsk-luhansk-ukraines-donbas-region

A successor to a very dead Putin would not continue Putin's fantasies of becoming Peter the Great. What Russian successor to Putin would be so stupid as to continue a war that makes the Russian army look weak to glorify Putin's reputation in the history books?

Looking weak has happened to Russia twice before when a little country murdered Russian soldiers and then Russia gives up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War

Ukraine is making Russia look weak a third time. Russia better declare victory, then withdraw, as it did in two wars with Finland. Funny how Finland laid siege to Leningrad, resulting in the deaths of some one million of the city's civilians and Red Army defenders. After that, Russia was scared of Finland. Still is.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/siege-of-leningrad-begins

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 13, 2022 4:08 AM

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]Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've always say it was a protest that SOME people turned into a riot.

CC: More like a protest turned into a riot and then turned into a coup, although a coup was always the design from Trump. There were plenty of weapons, bombs even - crude but deadly.

"But a "coup" attempt?" - uh-huh.

You see "coup attempts" when there aren't any, but can't see them when they exist (Ukraine 2014, Kazakhstan).
As violent as the Antifa riots were.. and there, rioters assembled night after night specifically to attack federal property and federal officers with Molotov cocktails, fireworks etc, even attempting to burn federal officers alive in their bldg... I wouldn't even label THAT a "coup attempt".

There has to be a concerted attempt to topple the government and replace it. I saw no such plan. Maybe it bc if Trump's failure think things thru and plan properly - a personality defect tied to his ADHD - but where was the plan to secure the police, the official media, the mayorship of DC? In Ukraine you heard Nuland deciding who would be mayor of Kiev (Klitschko) and who would head the interim government. In Kazakhstan one of the first things done was to take over the media offices.

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CC: "Without widely distributed guns" - they had them stock piled in VA and locally - read something.

How many? You would need HUNDREDS of readily available firearms to create an effective fighting force capable of immediately neutralizing establishment security forces.

People would need to know where they were and be able to lay their hands on them in minutes, not hours. People would need to have assigned sectors to secure. There would HAVE to be some sort of centralized communication. A LOT of people would have to know about it and be ready to act.

Your lack of reality-planning astonishes me.

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"a plan to secure the capitol" - that wouldn't stop a mob, especially with hostages - zip ties? What were they for??

Again, you would need HUNDREDS of people ready to act in a coordinated manner, not a dozen nutbags rattling around.

You know how I know it wasn't a "coup attempt"? Because there WAS NO PLAN, no collusion, no conspiracy among many significant number of people. Just bc someone show up with zip ties, or a horned helmet, doesn't mean they're ready to take over government. If this was a coup attempt it was less than a half-baked one.

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CC: "police forces" - how do you know? Crazy as fck Mike Flynn's brother was the deputy chief of staff of the Army, and the Army is reporting:
"The Army is now acknowledging that Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn, the brother of President Donald Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn, was in the room for one of the key January 6 phone calls in which DC government and US Capitol Police were asking for National Guard troops to quell the unfolding violence at the US Capitol."

What's your point? A real coup attempt would have been prepared to meet the National Guard. Instead, they weren't prepared for anything, according to SECIND.

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"and media" - They had The Internet.

yes, but THEY COULDN'T TAKE IT OVER. REAL coup plotters take over channels of communication so the general population depends on them for news and instructions. Not only did they not control the lines of communication, they could be shut down in an instant.

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CC: Yanno Twitter, Facebook. Bigger and more focused and more immediate that the "media" I think you're talking about.

Blah blah blah. Think thru what a REAL coup takes. Usually it requires the involvement of a disaffected military, spec ops or mercs.

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"and an organization ready to take over the government?" - uh, Trump? The former president? Who knows what he was thinking, but the who knows what Jim Jones was thinking.

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 13, 2022 4:56 AM

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SignyM: Blah. Blah. Blah.

SECOND: Special military operation" is okay, but never use the terms “invasion”, “attack” or “war”.

From a practical standpoint, if Russia calls it a "war" they can mobilize the military and economy. Right now they're operating from a peacetime military.

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SECOND: This is the same reasoning as declaring never use the term "insurrection" for the January 6th Insurrection.

Because it was not an insurrection. Nor was it a 'coup attempt".

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SECOND: And it is fact, not fantasy, that Putin acting alone

It is fantasy that Putin "acts alone". Putin NEVER acts alone. He needed the concurrence of his military, diplomatic, finance, and economic ministers as well as the Duma. Russia has been working on addressing this security problem for YEARS.

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SECOND: A successor to a very dead Putin would not continue Putin's fantasies of becoming Peter the Great.

Putin is seen in Russia as a MODERATING force, not an aggressive one. An assassination would cause the rest of Russia's power structure to be even more hostile than it is now

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SECOND: What Russian successor to Putin would be so stupid as to continue a war that makes the Russian army look weak to glorify Putin's reputation in the history books?

It is another fantasy to imagine that Russia's army looks "weak". They're winning with INFERIOR numbers. I don't know where you get your info from, but it's horseshit

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SECOND: Ukraine is making Russia look weak a third time. Russia better declare victory, then withdraw, as it did in two wars with Finland. Funny how Finland laid siege to Leningrad, resulting in the deaths of some one million of the city's civilians and Red Army defenders. After that, Russia was scared of Finland. Still is.

so, are you admitting that Finland was allied with the Nazis? And that Russia was not only fighting "Finland", it was also fighting Germany?

You must be fantasizing that Russia today is the same as Russia of 1939.

*****

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Insurrection: noun

The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.A rising up; uprising.The act of rising against civil authority or governmental restraint; specifically, the armed resistance of a number of persons to the power of the state; incipient or limited rebellion.

How many people with how many firearms does it take to make an "insurrection"?
One? Can you have an insurrection of one? A dozen? A hundred?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Wednesday, July 13, 2022 5:12 AM

I have to say, for such smart people you don't use your brains for anything useful.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Wednesday, July 13, 2022 5:39 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
so, are you admitting that Finland was allied with the Nazis? And that Russia was not only fighting "Finland", it was also fighting Germany?

You must be fantasizing that Russia today is the same as Russia of 1939.

For one thing, Russia is a smaller country, with a weaker economy, than it was when called the Soviet Union. In the larger scheme of things, South Korea is a bigger economy than Russia and North Korea is a more dangerous nuclear power than Russia.
https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/

And Russia is still frightened of Finland. Russia threatened Finland if it joined NATO. Finland joined NATO. When the Nazi were no longer useful to Finland for killing a million Russians in Stalingrad, Finland went to war with the Nazis. And won. The world and Finland went on just great without a million Russians, but since then Russia has left Finland alone.
Finland named world's happiest country for fifth straight year. Russians are the saddest.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/finland-worlds-happiest-country-fifth-str
aight-year-afghanistan-last/

Russians recognize how weak their country actually is, even if Putin and his apologists keep bragging like the pipsqueaks they are. If St. Petersburg wants revenge against Helsinki for WWII, it better hurry before it is too late:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-sweden-sign-protocol-join
-nato-still-need-ratification-2022-07-05/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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