new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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So I FINALLY found a couple of links to all the 'studies' that show positive *chloroquine* results.
I reviewed about 30 from the first link, some used chloroquine phosphate, some hydroxychloroquine, and some weren't specific, so I'm not specifying any kind og chloroquine.
I haven't looked at the second link yet.
https://c19study.com/
This first link is very user-friendly. If you click on the color coded words (negative, positive, meta, etc) it expands the related listing. At the bottom left of the expanded listing is the word 'Source'. If you click on that it'll take you to the webpage that the listing was drawn from. I went past the 'Theory', 'In Vitro', 'Meta', 'Review', etc listing and went straight to the 'Positive' ones. I reviewed 20 of the early 'Positive' listings, and I have to say they were a disappointment. Virtually none of them were published clinical studies. They were discussions, newspaper stories, a few pre-prints, etc, but not published clinical studies.
So I went to the last 10 'Positive' listings, 7 were published, 2 were pre-prints, and 1 was a newspaper interview. But to get to 10 'Positive' results I had to go through '2 Negative' '3 Meta' '4 Inconclusive', and '2 In Vitro'. This isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. I just want to mention it because it's easy to get carried away with cherry-picked information.
I haven't looked at this link yet.
https://www.peakprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/hcqstudiesbi
blio.pdf
Some day I'm going to look more deeply into this topic.
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AS USUAL JACK, you posted no links.
Just more of your Karen hyperventilation and bullshit over your precious sense of entitlement.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:All I did was point out that the police and code enforcement ALREADY have that authority and have had it for a long time.
You're talking about giving the government the power to shut off water to people.
This is nothing new.
I'm sorry if that's too much reality for you.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.
No. They do not have the authority to come in and turn off your power and your water service if they don't approve of your activity.
Some shady as fuck lawyers working for him might have convinced this power-hungry mayor that this is the case, but existing laws regarding abandoned buildings and crack dens do not extend to tax paying citizens who are paying for these services and give the government authority to shut off your source of life on their own personal whims.
We have a legal system for a reason. If somebody is doing something that authorities deem illegal, they need to get a warrant. Then they can make any arrests within the confines of the law. Then they get their day in court where a jury of their peers decide the outcome.
This is an extreme abuse of power, and the fact that you're cheerleading it because you're terrified says a lot about you.
You're the reason the slippery slope exists.
You better check yourself.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
AS USUAL JACK, you posted no links.
Just more of your Karen hyperventilation and bullshit over your precious sense of entitlement.
I don't need to post links to illustrate how you've sold out freedom and our country because of your feels.
I can just quote you here.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Your real name isn't Danielle, is it Kiki?
https://www.ibtimes.com/danielle-becomes-new-karen-after-kroger-store-
incident-3025036
Happy ending. "Target Tori" started a gofundme campaign to raise money to send this dude on a vacation. It currently sits just under $20,000.
Karens are terrible. Mask Karens are the absolute worst.
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Quote:Although many factors are intersecting, remember that, as result of Obamination forcing these workers to wrok less than 30 hours per week at each place, they need to work 2-3 jobs doing the same thing, going from one Care Facility to another - so, in effect, these Nursing Homes are really part of a network of others, all staffed by the same employees who must work when sick.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, I'm still trying to resolve the huge discrepancy between "deaths" and "cases", especially since the curves wind up going in opposite directions.
But at the beginning, nobody knew the virus was circulating, so they went on cruises and traveled internationally and went to sporting events and work and the gym. I can't see why vulnerable elderly in care homes would be exposed to the virus in SUCH far greater proportions than the rest of the population. True, they're in a mass situation and cared for by low-wage workers who HAVE to work, sick or not. OTOH they're not out working, partying, demonstrating, attending church or sporting events, like others were at the start of the pandemic.
No other facet of the cases profile duplicates this problem.
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Quote:Positivity defined as total number of new positive resulted cases for the day divided by the total number of stated test results for the day. Not to be confused with specimens.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The test for "how many cases is SARS-Cov2 testing revealing" is the positivity rate. Apparently there are statistics in use that indicate whether testing is revealing the true infection rate, and that is the positivity rate. I have heard one point referenced: a positivity rate of less than 5% indicates that most infections are being captured. I don't know if they have more points that indicate how many more infections "out there" for different positivity rates.
This seems to be more a function of how the test subjects are targeted than the degree of saturation.
I think total number of new positives divided by the total of testing CAPACITY is a more useful gauge to measure saturation level, or what has been missed.
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Originally posted by JACKAREN:
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I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by JACKAREN:
MORE TROLLING FROM THE TROLL
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I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
I don't need to post links to illustrate how you've sold out freedom and our country because of your feels.
I can just quote you here.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:what do you mean by "testing capacity"?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The test for "how many cases is SARS-Cov2 testing revealing" is the positivity rate. Apparently there are statistics in use that indicate whether testing is revealing the true infection rate, and that is the positivity rate. I have heard one point referenced: a positivity rate of less than 5% indicates that most infections are being captured. I don't know if they have more points that indicate how many more infections "out there" for different positivity rates.
JSF: Positivity defined as total number of new positive resulted cases for the day divided by the total number of stated test results for the day. Not to be confused with specimens.
This seems to be more a function of how the test subjects are targeted than the degree of saturation.
I think total number of new positives divided by the total of testing CAPACITY is a more useful gauge to measure saturation level, or what has been missed.
You bring up an interesting point: most of the stats are performed with the idea that testing is either geared towards symptomatic people or random. You COULD game the system by targeting people who are not at all symptomatic and who have NO history of potential exposure, run a crap ton of tests, have very low positivity and low apparent numbers and be deliberately missing a huge number of new cases. IF you wanted to have the system and look like you're doing better than youo really are, that's how it could be done. Of course, you'd need a lot of participating doctors, nurses, and techs, and someone somewhere would blow the whistle
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So I went to the website of HCQ studies and encountered maybe a different looking home page than you.
The studies are divided into PREP (preexposure prophylaxis), PEP (post exposure prophylaxis), early, and late ( self explanatory). The PREP studies that pop up first are mostly positive. Positive results are found in India, Spain, and China. These are not double blind placebo controlled so one does not know how many people would have contracted the disease without HCQ, but presumably there are similar hospitals and staff for comparison
Thanks for the link!
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I looked at the ~ALL~ category.
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One thing that Martenson had been harping on is that HCQ has to be given EARLY. ASAP or right after exposure if possible , bc of the drug is acting like an antiviral you have to give it before the virus had a change to replicate. So I'm ignoring the latter studies as they make no sense
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I was looking thru the sources because I was hoping to get a sense of what do 'people' claim it's good for ... and what might readers understand from it. A fair number say 'chloroquine' (various forms) is good for the severely ill.
Anyway, I can see that taking perhaps a lower dose early on could be far more helpful than than trying to pull someone back who's already in the throes of cytokine storm, rampant micro-clotting, kidney failure and so on.
I'm going to take a look at the dates in that list, and keep an eye out for more recent, more appropriate studies. I'm still waiting for the final word on it.
Personally I wouldn't recommend taking it prophylactically just in case you might run into SARS-CoV-2 someday. There really are side effects and you might just be someone who's sensitive to it. Though people at high risk for exposure could see some benefit.
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I was curious about Trump's 6,000 attendee rally in Tulsa as a potential superspreader event. If you look at 91-DIVOC for Oklahoma, 'new cases' did go up significantly since then, but not in a distinct bump 2-4 weeks out like you might expect. Though this article links Trump's rally and 'new cases'. https://bgr.com/2020/07/09/coronavirus-cases-trump-rally-spike-tulsa-o
klahoma/
What might be more interesting is the Sturgis, South Dakota Harley rally, which is still going on, expected to draw ~250,000. I couldn't find any even preliminary attendance numbers yet.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:All I did was point out that the police and code enforcement ALREADY have that authority and have had it for a long time.
You're talking about giving the government the power to shut off water to people.
This is nothing new.
I'm sorry if that's too much reality for you.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.
No. They do not have the authority to come in and turn off your power and your water service if they don't approve of your activity.
Some shady as fuck lawyers working for him might have convinced this power-hungry mayor that this is the case, but existing laws regarding abandoned buildings and crack dens do not extend to tax paying citizens who are paying for these services and give the government authority to shut off your source of life on their own personal whims.
We have a legal system for a reason. If somebody is doing something that authorities deem illegal, they need to get a warrant. Then they can make any arrests within the confines of the law. Then they get their day in court where a jury of their peers decide the outcome.
This is an extreme abuse of power, and the fact that you're cheerleading it because you're terrified says a lot about you.
You're the reason the slippery slope exists.
You better check yourself.
Do Right, Be Right. :)Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
AS USUAL JACK, you posted no links.
Just more of your Karen hyperventilation and bullshit over your precious sense of entitlement.
I don't need to post links to illustrate how you've sold out freedom and our country because of your feels.
I can just quote you here.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Here's a few links for you, dummy...
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/police-union-comes-out-against-garcet
tis-plan-to-shut-off-utilities-at-l-a-house-parties/
http://archive.vn/cjkiV
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“Mayor Garcetti wants to reimagine policing. He should send his civilian staff to turn off people’s electricity & cut off their water,” the League said in a tweet over the weekend in response to the mayor’s plans. “Let officers deal with the rise in shootings and killings in LA. We need a leader and not a political contortionist,”
Sorry Karen. Doesn't look like the cops are down with following orders from the fascist mayor of LA.
Better put on three masks when you go out today.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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BTW, nobody is disputing that the city has the authority.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.
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Quote:what do you mean by "testing capacity"?
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The test for "how many cases is SARS-Cov2 testing revealing" is the positivity rate. Apparently there are statistics in use that indicate whether testing is revealing the true infection rate, and that is the positivity rate. I have heard one point referenced: a positivity rate of less than 5% indicates that most infections are being captured. I don't know if they have more points that indicate how many more infections "out there" for different positivity rates.
JSF: Positivity defined as total number of new positive resulted cases for the day divided by the total number of stated test results for the day. Not to be confused with specimens.
This seems to be more a function of how the test subjects are targeted than the degree of saturation.
I think total number of new positives divided by the total of testing CAPACITY is a more useful gauge to measure saturation level, or what has been missed.
You bring up an interesting point: most of the stats are performed with the idea that testing is either geared towards symptomatic people or random. You COULD game the system by targeting people who are not at all symptomatic and who have NO history of potential exposure, run a crap ton of tests, have very low positivity and low apparent numbers and be deliberately missing a huge number of new cases. IF you wanted to have the system and look like you're doing better than youo really are, that's how it could be done. Of course, you'd need a lot of participating doctors, nurses, and techs, and someone somewhere would blow the whistle
By testing capacity I mean the number of test possible on a given day, as stated by the State authority (if you can believe them).
I don't know if other states provide this info, but WI started a month or so ago.
In my Backlog thread, I do have a column for this data, although not all of that data is populated in the column, yet.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63703&mid=11037
98#1103798
This page, towards the bottom, shows the current day's capacity, and number of labs contributing to that total. They now have a chart to show what capacities were on given days in the past couple months, which may or may not be the same figures whch were stated on those specific days.
New in the past week or 2 is a chart right below that which shows the number of SPECIMENS for each day. Prior to this, no specimen data was available. Be careful about analyzing this chart, for there were many days when the specimens were less than 1/4 of the testing capacity, but persistent reports of backlogged tests at labs continued for weeks.
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/data.htm
Difference between "test results" and "specimens": Specimens is really what the capacity was trying to convey. Test results are different. If a positive specimen result is the first test for a case (person), then I don't think that is counted as positive, until a second positive specimen confirms the first, whereupon is is reported as a positive test result. It must certainly not be counted as a negative result.
Once 2 specimens have been tested to confirm a positive case, then at least 2 more consecutive specimens must test negative before being declared recovered. And if more specimens are tested during "active" period, then these positives would nt be counted in either category of positive or negative.
So, non-cases which test negative (only once) are recorded as a negative test result, one per each specimen.
But positive cases require at least 4 specimens (and perhaps 7 or 8) to be tested during the course of the case, which would be reported as one positive.
So a day with almost all negative test results is fairly close to being an accurate read of how close to the capacity the testing volume is. But on days with a large portion of positive results, it can
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:
Originally posted by JACKAREN
POINTLESS DRIVEL
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BTW, nobody is disputing that the city has the authority.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACK over the edge with too much reality.
The Constitution is disputing the city has the authority.
You're a useful idiot.
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Signy, I don't know if you have any interest in- or feelings about- herd immunity, but San Quentin is by all accounts a lesson in how it doesn't work.
San Quentin's coronavirus outbreak shows why 'herd immunity' could mean disaster
COVID-19 spread unchecked across California's oldest prison in ways that stunned public health experts, despite efforts to control the disease. As of Monday, there had been more than 2,200 cases and 25 deaths, among a population of more than 3,260 people. On Sunday, a guard became one of the latest to die.
That means more than two-thirds of the prison's population has been infected, said Dr. George Rutherford, epidemiologist and infectious diseases expert at UC San Francisco.
And though new cases have slowed, they are still occurring — with 60 reported in the last two weeks — suggesting herd immunity has not yet been achieved.
... the San Quentin experience — as well as other data — does show that, in the absence of a vaccine, "in order to get to something that approaches herd immunity, we're going to have to get something well on the far side of 50% of people infected," Rutherford said. "Which comes with a resultant large cost in mortality and severe morbidity.
Other data show how it's possible for far larger proportions of the population to get infected.
Among three slums in Mumbai, India, 57% of people tested have been exposed to the coronavirus, according to the BBC, citing a survey conducted by government officials. On a cruise ship with 217 passengers that left Argentina in March bound for Antartica, 59% tested positive for the virus, according to a study published in the journal Thorax.
Even nations that have previously been seen as hard hit still have plenty of susceptible people to fuel a second wave of disease.
https://news.yahoo.com/san-quentin-coronavirus-disaster-exposes-120059
867.html
And winter's coming.
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Quote:So maybe this "second pathway" of immunity is a phantasm.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Signy, I don't know if you have any interest in- or feelings about- herd immunity, but San Quentin is by all accounts a lesson in how it doesn't work.
https://news.yahoo.com/san-quentin-coronavirus-disaster-exposes-120059
867.html
COVID-19 spread unchecked across California's oldest prison in ways that stunned public health experts, despite efforts to control the disease. As of Monday, there had been more than 2,200 cases and 25 deaths, among a population of more than 3,260 people. On Sunday, a guard became one of the latest to die.
That means more than two-thirds of the prison's population has been infected, said Dr. George Rutherford, epidemiologist and infectious diseases expert at UC San Francisco.
And though new cases have slowed, they are still occurring — with 60 reported in the last two weeks — suggesting herd immunity has not yet been achieved.
... the San Quentin experience — as well as other data — does show that, in the absence of a vaccine, "in order to get to something that approaches herd immunity, we're going to have to get something well on the far side of 50% of people infected," Rutherford said. "Which comes with a resultant large cost in mortality and severe morbidity.
Other data show how it's possible for far larger proportions of the population to get infected.
Among three slums in Mumbai, India, 57% of people tested have been exposed to the coronavirus, according to the BBC, citing a survey conducted by government officials. On a cruise ship with 217 passengers that left Argentina in March bound for Antartica, 59% tested positive for the virus, according to a study published in the journal Thorax.
Even nations that have previously been seen as hard hit still have plenty of susceptible people to fuel a second wave of disease.
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The San Quentin problem is bullshit.
First off, to try to compare prison life as a microcosm of everybody else's life in the real world is a joke. Those people eat, sleep and jerk off with each other. You couldn't possibly find a better place to spread a highly contagious disease than a prison.
But more importantly, it looks like whoever wrote this trash piece is either forgetting or purposefully leaving out incubation and infectious periods, as well as how the rate of infection grows exponentially as more people become infected.
Rather convenient.
1. Covid was going to spread faster to a higher percentage of the population of a prison than it ever would in the real world.
2. Herd immunity doesn't work when nobody is yet immune.
By the time they were reaching 50% immunity nearly everybody had already been infected, many of those infected by people who were now immune.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Or it's a minor component. I was looking across 91-DIVOC to see if there was a natural maximum in either cases or infections, but didn't find anything.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So maybe this "second pathway" of immunity is a phantasm.
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The San Quentin rates are both so much higher than anything I found on 91-DIVOC, they render 91-DIVOC moot.
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I just wanted to explain how I got where I got in terms of thinking, since I almost never make it explicit. Originally there was the thought that we needed a herd immunity of about 80%. Then it dropped to (maybe) as low as 20-25% because, as was thought, either exposure to other coronaviruses or general immune system activation from completely unrelated infections and vaccinations would cover a significant portion of people.
So I started looking for either infection or death rate maximums in 91-DIVOC, to see if there was a natural plateau above which rates didn't rise, for any reason. Which I didn't find btw.
The San Quentin data renders anything one might possibly find in 91-DIVOC moot, as well as, more importantly imo, the theory that herd immunity can be low.
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It occurs to me that there is one other possible explanation for the discrepancy between deaths and cases, and that is that people wearing masks might still be exposed to SARS-Cov2, but at a much lower particle load. So possibly y they are able to fend off the virus more easily than those who get a whole lungful.
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Has that ever been a factor before? Do people get a lesser flu because somebody sneezed near them rather than on them?
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Quote:Is this still focused on Sweden? I don't think Sweden has a mask mandate, or even a suggestion, but I could be wrong.
Originally posted by SignyM:
It occurs to me that there is one other possible explanation for the discrepancy between deaths and cases, and that is that people wearing masks might still be exposed to SARS-CoV-2, but at a much lower particle load. So possibly they are able to fend off the virus more easily than those who get a whole lungful.
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New Zealand was acclaimed a world leader in handling Covid-19. Now it's dealing with a fresh outbreak
For months, life was largely back to normal, and the country went 102 days without a locally acquired case.
But on Tuesday, New Zealand reported that a family of four in Auckland had been infected with coronavirus, despite having no history of overseas travel and no connection with any known cases. (Then) On Thursday, New Zealand's Director General of Health Dr. Ashley Bloomfield announced 13 new locally transmitted cases, all connected with the original four. The new cluster (of locally transmitted infections), which now totals 17 cases, has prompted the country to put its most populous city under lockdown as authorities scramble to trace the source of the outbreak.
It remains unclear what caused the latest outbreak. Authorities have used genome sequencing to investigate the source of the outbreak, but have found no link between the community cases and imported cases in New Zealand's managed isolation quarantine facilities, Bloomfield said. "What we do know is that the genome sequence of the new cases broadly most closely resemble the patterns from the United Kingdom and Australia," he said.
One of the original four worked at Americold, an American temperature-controlled warehouse company. On Thursday, authorities announced that three more Americold staff members had tested positive, and seven of the cases announced Thursday are family members of Americold employees. Authorities are testing surfaces at Americold's warehouse for Covid-19, but Ardern emphasized that the most likely cause of the outbreak was human-to-human transmission. "We are wanting to rule everything out," she said.
(edited to put information in a logical sequence)
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/asia/new-zealand-cases-coronavirus-
intl-hnk/index.html
NZ has so few cases they have a prayer of tracking each outbreak back to a source. If NZ can track back the source of this outbreak, they might uncover a entirely new mode of transmission.
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Signy, when it comes to the disconnect between cases and deaths, fwiw I checked the US. When you look at 91-DIVOC overall, it looks like the US has the exact same disconnect as Sweden. But when you go state-by-state, for the vast majority, deaths rise after cases rise (I only saw 3 exceptions to date, though some states had recent cases spikes and haven't had a chance for deaths to show up yet).
In terms of variation between states, for one thing the rise in cases in the states happens over a broad span of start-times. And then there's a variable time lapse between cases and deaths - in some states it takes only 1.5 weeks for deaths to start rising, in other states it take 5 weeks, though most fall in between at 3.5-4 weeks. And while many states have proportional rises - eg a 4x rise in cases leads to a 4x rise in deaths - in a large minority the increase is deaths is lower - eg a 5x rise in cases leads to a 3x rise in deaths, and in a very few states (2 so far) it's far higher. But despite the individual states being very explicable, when you add the states up, it leads to a very puzzling overall picture.
So perhaps that's going on with Sweden.
Or, maybe other European countries may be telltales about the discrepancy:
Young people are driving a second, less-deadly surge of Covid-19 cases in Europe
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/europe/coronavirus-europe-young-peo
ple-cases-spiking-intl/index.html
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"U.S. jobless claims jump back above 1 million in face of coronavirus" - which just goes to prove, you can't have a healthy economy if your citizens are getting sick and dying in large numbers.
Meanwhile, Georgia has the highest per capita cases of any state in the US ... gosh, who could have seen that coming?
And finally ... my opinion ... the things that spread the flu are going to spread COVID-19. We haven't see the last of high numbers for this virus.
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I heard this guy being interviewed on KNX 1070. I caught it by chance, as I was simply trying to find out what the column of smoke in the foothills was all about (Azusa fire)
I'm glad I found an article by him
Column: I had COVID-19, and these are the things nobody tells you
Sports columnist Bill Plaschke
Sports columnist Bill Plaschke writes about his bout with the novel coronavirus. Yes, he says, it’s really as bad as you’ve heard.
(Jay L. Clendenin / Los Angeles Times)
By Bill PlaschkeColumnist
Aug. 12, 2020
3:43 PM
It hit me in an inspired bit of irony, at the exact moment I filed my column on the NBA restart opening game between the Lakers and Clippers.
After marveling about the return of the intensity of a live sports event, I literally curled up with the chills.
After celebrating how our local teams renewed their rivalry with exhausted passion, I was so fatigued I could barely walk from my office chair to my bed.
It was a night filled with hope that this country’s long-stalled sports machine was finally chugging its way out of the novel coronavirus pandemic.
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It was also the night I began showing symptoms that later resulted in a positive test for COVID-19.
Yeah, I’ve got the ‘Rona. Who’d have guessed? After I spent four months writing about how this nasty incurable coronavirus should shut down the sports world, it laughingly shut me down too. It didn’t care that I respected it. It didn’t matter that I used noted scientists to warn sports fans of its perils.
It was as if my ominous words were lifted from the page and injected directly into my veins. In an instant, my fears for others became prayers for myself.
I picked up COVID-19 at the end of July, tested positive a few days later, suffered through it for about a week, and now am quarantining for the rest of this week while waiting for the danger to pass.
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I would occasionally hear acquaintances wonder if [the coronavirus] was truly that awful. I can now offer indisputable confirmation. Yes, it really sucks.
I am lucky. I am blessed. According to the latest numbers, I am one of the around 212,000 confirmed cases in Los Angeles County, but I am not among the around 5,000 deaths, and I had the incredibly good fortune to avoid hospitalization.
I basically lived through a really strange and bad flu. You’ve heard the stories, and mine is actually one of the better ones. Many victims would love to be alive to tell such a relatively benign tale. The depth of their nightmare resonates deeply in me now. This column honors their struggle and commemorates their spirit. May we never forget that behind every coronavirus statistic there is unquantifiable human suffering.
I’m the first person I know who has had the coronavirus. I would occasionally hear acquaintances wonder if it was truly that awful. I can now offer indisputable confirmation. Yes, it really sucks.
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My temperature hovered in the upper reaches of 102. It felt like my head was on fire. One night I sweated through five shirts. I shook so much from the chills I thought I chipped a tooth. My chest felt like LeBron James was sitting on it. My fatigue made it feel as if I was dressed in the chains of Jacob Marley’s ghost. I coughed so hard it felt like I broke a rib.
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I would fall asleep in a chair and wake up terrified from a hallucinatory dream where I was chased through a playground by old women with giant heads. During phone calls I would get confused and just stop talking. I would begin crying for no reason. I lost my sense of taste, smell, and five pounds in the first four days.
None of this is probably news to anyone who has read about these cases. Everyone knows what happens, even if they never believe it will happen to them.
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But still, there are things about this insidious illness that nobody tells you. There are things that surpr
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Long story short...
Dude got the virus. Dude didn't need to be hospitalized. Dude is well on his way to recovery. Dude just wasted everybody's time.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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More Coomph deaths in California...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/08/20/california-wildf
ires-thousands-homes-threatened/5616288002/
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Quote:There's been some ashfall where I am. Just enough to muck up the car windows a bit.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I heard this guy being interviewed on KNX 1070. I caught it by chance, as I was simply trying to find out what the column of smoke in the foothills was all about (Azusa fire)
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Column: I had COVID-19, and these are the things nobody tells you
It hit me in an inspired bit of irony, at the exact moment I filed my column on the NBA restart opening game between the Lakers and Clippers.
After marveling about the return of the intensity of a live sports event, I literally curled up with the chills.
After celebrating how our local teams renewed their rivalry with exhausted passion, I was so fatigued I could barely walk from my office chair to my bed.
It was a night filled with hope that this country’s long-stalled sports machine was finally chugging its way out of the novel coronavirus pandemic.
It was also the night I began showing symptoms that later resulted in a positive test for COVID-19.
I would occasionally hear acquaintances wonder if [the coronavirus] was truly that awful. I can now offer indisputable confirmation. Yes, it really sucks.
I am lucky. I am blessed. According to the latest numbers, I am one of the around 212,000 confirmed cases in Los Angeles County, but I am not among the around 5,000 deaths, and I had the incredibly good fortune to avoid hospitalization.
I basically lived through a really strange and bad flu. You’ve heard the stories, and mine is actually one of the better ones. Many victims would love to be alive to tell such a relatively benign tale. The depth of their nightmare resonates deeply in me now. This column honors their struggle and commemorates their spirit. May we never forget that behind every coronavirus statistic there is unquantifiable human suffering.
I’m the first person I know who has had the coronavirus. I would occasionally hear acquaintances wonder if it was truly that awful. I can now offer indisputable confirmation. Yes, it really sucks.
My temperature hovered in the upper reaches of 102. It felt like my head was on fire. One night I sweated through five shirts. I shook so much from the chills I thought I chipped a tooth. My chest felt like LeBron James was sitting on it. My fatigue made it feel as if I was dressed in the chains of Jacob Marley’s ghost. I coughed so hard it felt like I broke a rib.
I would fall asleep in a chair and wake up terrified from a hallucinatory dream where I was chased through a playground by old women with giant heads. During phone calls I would get confused and just stop talking. I would begin crying for no reason. I lost my sense of taste, smell, and five pounds in the first four days.
None of this is probably news to anyone who has read about these cases. Everyone knows what happens, even if they never believe it will happen to them.
But still, there are things about this insidious illness that nobody tells you. There are things that surprised me, things that stick with you long after the fever has spiked and the headaches have stopped.
Nobody tells you about the dread. From the moment my doctor phoned me with the test results, to the moment I am writing this column, I have been scared out of my mind.
I know the minuscule overall fatality percentages. I know the overwhelming odds of survival for a 61-year-old male in good health with no preexisting conditions. It doesn’t matter. Once you realize you have a virus that could kill you and there’s nothing anybody can do about it, you live in constant fear.
A couple of weeks ago, I didn’t follow my instincts. I briefly let my guard down. The coronavirus came out swinging.
With every trickle of sweat off your forehead, you worry. With every deep cough, you wonder. You check your temperature 53 times every day, and every single time that thermometer is in your mouth, you close your eyes and pray. You stick your finger in the pulse oximeter every hour, and beg for the number to rise.
Then there are the late nights, when your quarantine feels most acute — when you are the most alone. You start coughing into a wet pillow and you can’t stop and your breath becomes ragged and your bed is soaking and you wonder, is now the time? Do you try to drive yourself to the hospital? Do you callNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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South Dakota Department of Transportation officials tracked more than 462,000 vehicles entering Sturgis during the rally. Though the total was a 7.5% decline from the previous year, it is still one of the largest mass gatherings since the start of the pandemic.
Health experts were concerned that this year's Sturgis motorcycle rally could be a "super spreader" event.
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WOMEN HAVING UNSAFE SEX!
Heard this on the MSM radio. Women admitted that only 6% of them wore a mask during sex in the Covid period.
I looked for the news story, no luck.
All those Power-grabbing Lockdown Libtards need to get their Sex Police to enforce the rules, end this cavalier practice.
Edit: Found the story.
http://news.jambroadcasting.com/2020/08/24/survey-says-88-of-women-fin
d-mask-wearing-men-sexy/
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The non-scientific poll of 500 people commissioned by Royal shows that the concept of wearing masks during sex is also picking up: While only six percent of those polled say they’ve actually done it, 25% say they’re “open to the idea.”
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So I've been trying (still) to understand the #newcases and #newdeaths curves, especially the fact that in many places the #newdeaths tends to skyrocket up, then down, whether the nation, state or province chooses lockdown, masking, testing/contact tracing, all of the above. voluntary/structural social distancing, or nothing.
There have been a lot of theories floated, including the idea that there is some sort of pre-existing immunity that allows the "herd immunity" rate to be effective somewhere in to 20% realm v the previously-estimated 80-85% realm. Judging by the curves in the various nations, I've come to the conclusion that this all seems to be the effect of differential exposure. For some strange reason, in many nations, the elderly in care homes were exposed first, which led to tragically high death rates.
As the virus moved out into the general population, the average patient age dropped considerably, as did the death rate.
I look at California and Sweden as "bellweather" examples. Sweden's experience follows my model.
California, which jumped on the lockdown/masking bandwagon early (especially Los Angeles) shows a much lower initial death rate, but now that the virus is moving into formerly spared populations the per capita death rate is also rising.
In addition, the USA is definitely experiencing a "second wave" as the virus sweeps into previously uninfected areas, not just in #newcases but also #positivityrates and #newdeaths.
States that experienced a large early surge in deaths (NY, CT, NH, etc) aren't seeing a "second wave" of deaths, states that were formerly unaffected (Fl, AZ, NV, TX, ID, SC, etc) are seeing their surge now. CA has done an admirable job of flattening the curve... but it hasn't been able to eradicate the virus, just slow it down.
SOME states (MS, GA, LA) are showing a distinct double hump in #newdeaths. They rose, went to near-zero, but are now higher than ever. I have pointed to these states more than once ... what are they doing differently than everybody else?
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Good luck eradicating the virus.
Be sure to tell the Flu People how you did it.
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I think the San Quentin data eliminates the 'low percent herd immunity' theory. (This will eventually segue into infection and death rates ... see below.)
I spent quite a bit of time looking at data from the US and around the globe, seeking a cap on either 'per capita infections' rates or 'per capita deaths' rates, and didn't find any, to test out the theory.
San Quentin is an excellent study in what happens if everyone is exposed ... everyone gets it.
With that in mind, what I saw in the various states and countries was the stochastic result of which sub-population had the initial exposure. So, for example, Washington State and Sweden resemble each other in that the initial exposed population was long-term-care residents, with the attendant high mortality rate ... but neither resembles California where spread has been pretty diffuse (multiple pathways through various sub-populations) but stubborn, and none of those 3 resemble NYC where spread was diffuse but explosive. Looking around the globe at Brazil for example, spread was rampant in cities, while the hinterlands were spared early, but not eventually. Looking at New Mexico, spread was high among the Navajo multi-generational households first where it got randomly introduced first, before it tapered off (due to the Navajo taking matters into their own hands to stop the spread), then rose in the general population.
IMO rises and falls in infection rates, and death rates, says more - to me - about the randomness of where the virus gets introduced first, and the patterns of connectivity between that sub-population and the rest of the surrounding sub-populations, than anything else.
And while the spread of the virus to more protected sub-populations may be slowed, it won't ultimately be stopped ... at least not until we reach a herd immunity of ~80%, either through infection or vaccination.
BTW that goes for viral spread through schools, too. Because: the current background thinking is that the virus spreads mainly though super-spreader events; and whether they explicitly mention it or not, the puzzle on school-age children is specifically whether or not they create or sustain a super-spreader event. But in my thinking it doesn't mater. Whether the spread is fast as in a super-spreader event, or slow, what the San Quentin data shows is that ultimately 80% look to be susceptible.
And fwiw I predict that the same factors that make children excellent vectors for flu transmission in fall will make them excellent vectors for SARS-CoV-2 spread as well. Expect a rise as new transmission pathways expose previously isolated sub-populations in fall ... if schools reopen.
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We're all going to get it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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You live in a very, very small JACKAREN exclusive world.
80% could, eventually, over time get the SARS-CoV-2 infection ... unless ... we get a vaccine which can spare large percentages in the near term, and get effective treatments which can rescue the sick; and ultimately we can then stamp it off the face of the earth, the way we did with smallpox.
... But of course, if you advocate doing nothing - as you do - then we'll have maximum infections and maximum deaths, and will never get rid of it.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
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https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88222
Safer Pfizer COVID-19 mRNA Vax Candidate Moves Forward
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Quote:Please don't feed the troll. If you're going to put SIX on ignore, IGNORE him. Stop responding to his trolling.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You live in a very, very small JACKAREN exclusive world.
80% could, eventually, over time ... unless ... we get a vaccine which can spare large percentages in the near term and effective treatments which can rescue the sick; and ultimately we can can stamp it off the face of the earth, the way we did with smallpox.
... But of course, if you advocate doing nothing - as you do - then we'll have maximum infections and maximum deaths, and will never get rid of it.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
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My bad. I keep thinking reality matters.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You live in a very, very small JACKAREN exclusive world.
80% could, eventually, over time get the SARS-CoV-2 infection ... unless ... we get a vaccine which can spare large percentages in the near term, and get effective treatments which can rescue the sick; and ultimately we can then stamp it off the face of the earth, the way we did with smallpox.
... But of course, if you advocate doing nothing - as you do - then we'll have maximum infections and maximum deaths, and will never get rid of it.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
Just like we got rid of the flu. Right?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:It' not just reality that's gone out the window, it's logic.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
My bad. I keep thinking reality matters.
The problem is, SIX hates ... absolutely hates ... "boomers" and he wants to see them all die off, very quickly. On top of that, he seems to be in denial about viruses.
So he winds up contradicting himself, hoping (on the one hand) that the virus kills a lot of boomers and saying (on the other hand) that it's no worse than "a cold". But what I think is really driving this is that he just hates boomers, and will say anything to promote boomers dying off faster.
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Not a big fan of Karens either.
Why do Karens think that Covid-19 came from space and behaves differently than any other virus under the sun?
Show me a person who lived to old age and never got the flu and I'll show you a liar.
This ain't going anywhere. And once it mutates your precious vaccine that took years to make isn't going to help.
Prepare for a future where people who are scared of it can get their flu and Covid shots on a yearly basis.
Meanwhile, hardly anybody who wasn't older than the life expectancy of Americans has died of it, and any of that fearmongering bullshit about other complications you need to take with a grain of salt because these people are always wrong about everything even when it's not politically charged.
Also meanwhile, take a moment to thank the lord or the giant flying spaghetti monster that you are in a situation where you've got the time and resources to wait it out. (Something, I might add, that is exclusive to Boomers and not their kids or their grandkids)
Hopefully the economy never tanks so hard that you become desperate. Because the overreaction to this virus is much worse than the virus itself, and like most other things time is going to prove me right about this one too.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:It's not that I blame him. If his mother really was undx bipolar, that would really leave a brand on the psyche.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:It' not just reality that's gone out the window, it's logic.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
My bad. I keep thinking reality matters.
The problem is, SIX hates ... absolutely hates ... "boomers" and he wants to see them all die off, very quickly. On top of that, he seems to be in denial about viruses.
So he winds up contradicting himself, hoping (on the one hand) that the virus kills a lot of boomers and saying (on the other hand) that it's no worse than "a cold". But what I think is really driving this is that he just hates boomers, and will say anything to promote boomers dying off faster.
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One of the guys who worked for me, his wife sounded like undxd bipolar. He would bitch and complain about how his wife was trying to get him to buy yet another rental property, he would be so angry his lips would quiver, but when push came to shove he'd wind up signing whatever papers she shoved in front of him.
And the kids were entirely fucked up. The son had absolutely no drive and married a nag much like his mom. And the daughter was found wandering around a bus depot in Seattle, out of her head bc she was starving to death, being a member of the breatharian cult. What a mess.
Having someone like that in the family warps everyone. It's far worse than having a parent with a substance abuse problem
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Yup.
My mom was just shy of Piper Laurie (minus the religion) on Carrie (which incidentally was one of her favorite movies).
She actually had the nerve to ask me about a year before I got kicked out why I never had any friends around anymore. I straight up told her that she was an embarrassment. My friends don't like being screamed at for stupid shit like forgetting to take their hat off when they come in the house and other dumb rules she and the step dad had. When one of my girlfriends girl friend came by before we went to see a movie mom told her that we don't allow hats in the house and when she kind of laughed because she thought it was a joke (seriously, who in the 90's even did that anymore) my mom started yelling at her and it was the first (and last) time they ever met.
Then there was the time that my mom started just reaching back to the sky and slapping me in the face for some dumb shit reason or another and I just kept looking her dead in the eye and yelling "THANK YOU SIR! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!"
That went on for about 5 or so minutes while she was breaking down in tears and just kept doing it until I assume her hand hurt too much to do it anymore and she slunk off to her bedroom. Both my brothers remember that one since they were upstairs and peeking down to watch it happen.
I honestly felt a lot of guilt leaving both of them, but it was time for me to move on. I shouldered the brunt of her illness for at least 10 years and spared them most of it. After I left, my middle brother couldn't take it very long and enlisted in the military less than a year later. Then my youngest brother was there alone, turned to booze which made a horrible situation even worse for everyone, and finally was out on his ass after my stepdad beat the shit out of him.
But the happy ending was that my old man didn't have a problem finally ending the child support payments for my 28 year old brother that seemed like they were never going to end since mom had a great lawyer and they they milked the shit that disabled card as long as they could (while never once making a legitimate attempt to get him on SSDI where he belonged, because it was much easier to just steal money from my Dad instead).
Who'd have guessed that Judges don't look too fondly on parents beating the shit out of their disabled children? The more you know. 
And years and many horrible financial decisions later (and minus my dad's child support), they don't have much to their name, when they should probably have a couple of million saved up with all those years in the 401k and 20 years running a successful business. But they're basically retarded when it comes to money and they pissed it all away.
I've already let it be known to my brother that he and my pharmacist sister in law can foot her expenses when the time comes to put her in a home. I'm not paying a dime, and I'm sure as hell not giving her a place to live either.
Seriously. Why would anybody ever want to get married?
My parents did me a huge favor.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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And meanwhile, any SJW cucklefucks that want to talk to me about my white male privilege can lick the shit out of my lilly-white asshole.
I don't abide anybody who had an easy life just handed to them projecting their guilt on to me or anybody else who didn't have the silver spoon up their ass and reasonably sane parents that weren't destructive to themselves and everyone in the vicinity.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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So now you hate ... me ... because of your mother.
Whatever.
You have subscriptions and if you target me because of YOUR PAST it just exposes what a fucked up head case you are.
BTW ...
... GROW THE FUCK UP.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
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Quote:He doesn't hate you, KIKI. He doesn't even know you. And he's as far off the mark as SECONDRATE calling you a Russian troll.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So now you hate ... me ... because of your mother.
Whatever.
You have subscriptions and if you target me because of YOUR PAST it just exposes what a fucked up head case you are.
BTW ...
... GROW THE FUCK UP.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand ...
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He targets the persona of 1kiki because he's made his life all about feeling embittered and entitled, and excusing every hostile behavior he cares to indulge in.
He's an ass who needs to grow the fuck up.
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Quote:That is some story. Tell it to a psychiatrist -- “…much will be gained if we succeed in transforming your hysterical misery into common unhappiness. With a mental life that has been restored to health, you will be better armed against that unhappiness.” - Sigmund Freud, Josef Breuer
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup.
My mom was just shy of Piper Laurie (minus the religion) on Carrie (which incidentally was one of her favorite movies). . . .
My parents did me a huge favor.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7456231-much-will-be-gained-if-we-suc
ceed-in-transforming-your
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Describing Signym and 1kiki as "Russian trolls" is actually the best alternative. It means the two are serving Russia by stirring up trouble in America, and earning a little money, and writing beautifully. That would make them useful Russians. On the other hand, if Signym and 1kiki are "registered Democrats" in California, they are useless people. Deluded, nutty people who write quickly and beautifully. I admire that writing ability, whether they are Russians or Americans. Even Trump has excellent qualities, but he is very bad at performing useful work as an executive in charge of a organization with millions of employees. His handling of the pandemic is a typical example of both a bad executive performance and his excellent qualities as a communicator. He very well knows how to say and write things which will leave the government's pandemic response confused and ineffective, but sadly that's his intention. If he didn't screw it up intentionally, why did he do it? What then is his purpose? The same could be said about Signym, 1kiki, and 6ix. What is their purpose if it isn't to intentionally trouble America?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:He doesn't hate you, KIKI. He doesn't even know you. And he's as far off the mark as SECONDRATE calling you a Russian troll.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So now you hate ... me ... because of your mother.
Whatever.
You have subscriptions and if you target me because of YOUR PAST it just exposes what a fucked up head case you are.
BTW ...
... GROW THE FUCK UP.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand ...
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
He targets the persona of 1kiki because he's made his life all about feeling embittered and entitled, and excusing every hostile behavior he cares to indulge in.
He's an ass who needs to grow the fuck up.
+1
"the world owes me for my upbringing - I'm the only one that's ever suffered"
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Quote:I've never been able to convince myself that 1kiki, Signym and 6ix have any coherent purpose in America, something more than routine maintenance, something worthwhile they accomplish when not at the keyboard. Or for that matter, that they have even mild interest in Firefly.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
He targets the persona of 1kiki because he's made his life all about feeling embittered and entitled, and excusing every hostile behavior he cares to indulge in.
He's an ass who needs to grow the fuck up.
+1
"the world owes me for my upbringing - I'm the only one that's ever suffered"
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So now you hate ... me ... because of your mother.
Whatever.
You have subscriptions and if you target me because of YOUR PAST it just exposes what a fucked up head case you are.
BTW ...
... GROW THE FUCK UP.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN over the edge with too much reality.
I don't hate you Kiki. We used to get along just fine.
But then Covidmania turned you into a crazy Karen that is willing to thrash the Constitution because you allowed the media that lies to you everyday to terrify you.
Go back through the history and you'll find that up until recently YOU were always the instigator and the bitch starting the mud slinging. Every time.
At this point I've just written you off like I did Nilbog years ago.
Your behavior is gross.
You grow the fuck up.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by JACKAREN:
crazy Karen that is willing to thrash the Constitution because you allowed the media that lies to you everyday to terrify you
Find ONE QUOTE where I do that, JACKAREN/ WISHI. You won't, because I never advocated thrashing the Constitution.
I've never advocated thrashing the Constitution or anything you've repeatedly trolled me over. Never advocated lockdowns, forced vaccinations, or 'full government control over everything', and never been 'terrified'. Never endorsed every government recommendation. Never posted every new breathless announcement.
And in all this time, after being repeatedly challenged, you've never found even ONE quote to back up your claims, and you never will find one.
So, let me repeat the main point here, JACKAREN/ WISHI, in a way that will be hard to miss:
YOU WILL NOT FIND A SINGLE POST OF MINE DOING WHAT YOU'VE TROLLED ME FOR DOING BECAUSE THEY DON'T EXIST IN REAL LIFE.
I apologize to everyone for starting a thread to keep up with facts about SARS-COV-2, and driving JACKAREN/ WISHI over the edge with too much reality.
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Quote:That's rich, coming from a guy who spews hate and lies mornnig, noon, and night because of something that happened at least 35 years ago.
Originally posted by second:Quote:That is some story. Tell it to a psychiatrist -- “…much will be gained if we succeed in transforming your hysterical misery into common unhappiness. With a mental life that has been restored to health, you will be better armed against that unhappiness.” - Sigmund Freud, Josef Breuer
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Yup.
My mom was just shy of Piper Laurie (minus the religion) on Carrie (which incidentally was one of her favorite movies). . . .
My parents did me a huge favor.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Anyway, Freud was a giant fraud. It appears that he ignored evidence of actual sexual abuse, and instead blamed the victim for unconsciously desiring the parent sexually.
https://medium.com/@suriana/7-disturbing-facts-about-sigmund-freud-4a8c586c780f
IMHO psychiatry has been used most often to "adjust" individuals to unjust situations, to put the blame and responsibility for all ills that the individual suffers on the individual and never on the larger society. Just look at Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, who used psychiatry to skew entire populations. Even today, psychiatrists continue to serve the system created by the elites. For example, generally speaking, psychiatrists have been trained to assume that hypomania is the NORMAL mindset. This never-say-die, I-can-be-anyone-I-want-to-be, pick-myself-up-after-every-fall, mindlessly optimistic (promoted) attitude actually does a POORER job of predicting outcomes and making realistic choices. But hypomania serves a hypercompetitive, every-man-for-himself-and-god-against-all society because it causes the victims to blame THEMSELVES and to continue beating their heads against the wall that the elites have constructed. Those people will never seek to change society.
Psychiatrists have worked out torture methods for every tyrannical government, including Hitler and the USA, and routinely oversee torture sessions.
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Most Republicans say that 176,000 coronavirus deaths are ‘acceptable,’ new CBS poll shows
More than 176,000 people in the United States have died from the coronavirus as of Sunday morning, according to the latest tally from Johns Hopkins University.
Is that an acceptable figure? CBS News, with help from YouGov, posed that question to 2,226 registered voters in recent days and the response varied dramatically, depending on party.
The 57% of Republicans who think 180,304 COVID-19 deaths are acceptable are the same who thought 2 Ebola deaths or 4 Benghazi deaths were too many. 57% of Republicans were lying when they yelled "All Lives Matter."
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/most-republicans-say-that-176000-cor
onavirus-deaths-are-acceptable-new-cbs-poll-shows-2020-08-23
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Signym, where is your proof that you are not insane? That you are not a Russian troll? I am looking forward to your evidence, but I'm not seeing much sanity from your writing about psychiatrists.
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That's rich, coming from a guy who spews hate and lies mornnig, noon, and night because of something that happened at least 35 years ago.
Anyway, Freud was a giant fraud. It appears that he ignored evidence of actual sexual abuse, and instead blamed the victim for unconsciously desiring the parent sexually.
https://medium.com/@suriana/7-disturbing-facts-about-sigmund-freud-4a8c586c780f
IMHO psychiatry has been used most often to "adjust" individuals to unjust situations, to put the blame and responsibility for all ills that the individual suffers on the individual and never on the larger society. Just look at Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, who used psychiatry to skew entire populations. Even today, psychiatrists continue to serve the system created by the elites. For example, generally speaking, psychiatrists have been trained to assume that hypomania is the NORMAL mindset. This never-say-die, I-can-be-anyone-I-want-to-be, pick-myself-up-after-every-fall, mindlessly optimistic (promoted) attitude actually does a POORER job of predicting outcomes and making realistic choices. But hypomania serves a hypercompetitive, every-man-for-himself-and-god-against-all society because it causes the victims to blame THEMSELVES and to continue beating their heads against the wall that the elites have constructed. Those people will never seek to change society.
Psychiatrists have worked out torture methods for every tyrannical government, including Hitler and the USA, and routinely oversee torture sessions.
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Quote:My proof that I'm not insane is my posting history. Unlike you, I don't post unending lies, hate, delusion, and libel.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, where is your proof that you are not insane? That you are not a Russian troll? I am looking forward to your evidence, but I'm not seeing much sanity from your writing about psychiatrists.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That's rich, coming from a guy who spews hate and lies mornnig, noon, and night because of something that happened at least 35 years ago.
Anyway, Freud was a giant fraud. It appears that he ignored evidence of actual sexual abuse, and instead blamed the victim for unconsciously desiring the parent sexually.
https://medium.com/@suriana/7-disturbing-facts-about-sigmund-freud-4a8c586c780f
IMHO psychiatry has been used most often to "adjust" individuals to unjust situations, to put the blame and responsibility for all ills that the individual suffers on the individual and never on the larger society. Just look at Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, who used psychiatry to skew entire populations. Even today, psychiatrists continue to serve the system created by the elites. For example, generally speaking, psychiatrists have been trained to assume that hypomania is the NORMAL mindset. This never-say-die, I-can-be-anyone-I-want-to-be, pick-myself-up-after-every-fall, mindlessly optimistic (promoted) attitude actually does a POORER job of predicting outcomes and making realistic choices. But hypomania serves a hypercompetitive, every-man-for-himself-and-god-against-all society because it causes the victims to blame THEMSELVES and to continue beating their heads against the wall that the elites have constructed. Those people will never seek to change society.
Psychiatrists have worked out torture methods for every tyrannical government, including Hitler and the USA, and routinely oversee torture sessions.
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I've never posted that I hate Americans, have never posted that large numbers of people should be killed [or allowed to die] have never posted anything against our American interests, have never advocated group punishment or cast group blame. My yardstick for measuring policies, politicians and TPTB is whether they further AMERICANS interests.
I try to discuss factually, objectively, and logically and do my best to respond ON POINT, unlike you, REAVERBOT, CAPTAINMUSH, THUGR, and TWITCHY, who's nearly exclusive response to anything you don't like is personal attack, libel, strawmen, and distraction.
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You OTOH have a long history of looking batshit crazy.
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Quote:Also, I've never advised ignoring SARS-Cov2, and I don't defend Trump's handling of the pandemic (basically have hands-off and let the mayors and governors deal with it)
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Now, REAVERBOT, OTOH, has posted some pretty crazy-ass shit.
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Quote:BTW, you will notice that this is happening in a very "blue" state, with two successive Democratic governors, Democratic mayors in three of four largest cities (LA, SanFran, and Sacto), a very active low-carbon policy, and an aggressive anti-Covid-19 response.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
I guess there's no justice in the world: viruses and climate change don't care if you tried hard or meant well.
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Skip the first part, Chris Martenson is still pursuing his "native immunity/lower threshold for herd immunity" theory.
However, at 19:20 he discusses a triple therapy that has been found by Australian doctor and researcher to be 100% successful in curing mild cases of Covid-19: Ivermectin, zinc, and doxycyline. This therapy is more successful than HCQ+azithromycin, which was used as the base case in comparative studies.
Also, with the development of a rapid saliva PCR test for Covid-19, it will be possible to test early and TREAT early, when it is likely to be more successful.
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Oh, VERY interesting!
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Quote:I hope he's right
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Oh, VERY interesting!
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There's still a lot that's not known about the virus. Recently I've read articles that claimed 1) cytokine storm prevents long-term immunity, 2) a recently confirmed case of RE-acquired COVID-19 4 months after the initial infection puts long-term immunity in doubt, and 3) immunity to the original SARS-CoV-1 lasts as long as 17 years.
OBVIOUSLY with so much conflicting data, decisions especially regarding chronic COVID-19, reacquired COVID-19, and COVID-19 vaccinations, are being made by intuition, not hard data.
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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/republican-national-convention-positive-covi
d-153806380.html
I wonder, of the thousands, or maybe hundreds of thousands of Dem lemmings who video conferenced the DNC, how many of them tested positive for Covid?
Testing rates have about 5% positivity, so that would be 50 per 1,000 Dems tested.
That story says that 4 people tested positive, out of 300 attendees and support staff, and out of 800 tests taken.
4 pos results of 800 tests would be 00.5% positiviety.
And 4 people out of 300 is 1.33% of the total.
Sounds like GOP Conventions are the antidote for Covid, keeping positivity rates far below the national norm.
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One of the big problems with COVID-19 vaccines is that injected vaccines in general don't develop a good immune response in the upper airways. So while the vaccines could be helpful in preventing serious deep-lung pneumonia and all the other serious tissue damage caused by COVID-19 (cardiac especially, plus kidney, liver, brain, and clotting) - THUS SAVING LIVES, they wouldn't be especially helpful in keeping the virus from infecting the throat and upper trachea where SARS-CoV-2 resides, and from where it generally infects others.
The 'upper airway' problem is why flu-vaccine manufacturers have been toying with intranasal vaccination (FluMist®), though not seriously pursuing it commercially as the main mode for vaccination (it's just much easier and more profitable to keep on doing what you've been doing). (The flu vaccine was originally developed for intranasal inoculation, fwiw).
Some researchers have been testing out COVD-19 nasal vaccines in animals, to apparently good effect.
COVID-19: Nasal vaccine shows promise in mouse study
A new study has explored an experimental COVID-19 vaccine for intranasal administration. The scientists show that just one dose may protect against infection in mice susceptible to the novel coronavirus.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-nasal-vaccine-shows
-promise-in-mouse-study
My personal opinion is that vaccines expected to confer long-term immunity should always be administered in a series of forms and routes, from injections of pure protein bits made from recombinant DNA, then killed whole virus (or bacteria), and finally attenuated administration of the vaccine to mucous membranes (where applicable).
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Early on on a per capita basis, US COVID-19 cases peaked at 100 while deaths peaked at 7 (for a 7% mortality rate), and peak deaths actually led peak cases by a few days. In this second phase, cases peaked at 215 while deaths peaked at 3.5 (for a 1.6% mortality rate), and deaths led cases by 1 day.
This tells me that as a whole, the US isn't doing enough testing. Cases peaks should lead deaths peaks, not follow them. It looks like the US is using deaths to trigger testing.
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potential superspreader events
25 February 2020 mardi gras
nn March 2020 spring break
nn May 2020 many states reopen
25 May 2020 memorial day
26 May - 23 June 2020 floyd protests
4 July 2020 independence day
7-16 August 2020 sturgis
mid August 2020 reopening schools
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The link below is to an article that gives a pretty good summary of what we know so far about long-term and permanent organ damage - especially heart damage - in people who've had COVID-19 (even mild and asymptomatic cases). It also has a number of links to original information.
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... the herd immunity–building approach has another major problem, only recently realized: The long-term health impact the coronavirus can have on victim's hearts. Troublingly, even those who seem to have less-pronounced COVID-19 symptoms or no symptoms at all may discover that they have heart issues later.
"That's certainly the concern, even for people who have a relatively benign infection ... (said) Dr. Thomas Maddox ... "... like we saw with the German study, sometimes even those folks, at least a subset, may have long-term cardiac damage. It was really concerning that about 80 percent of people had some evidence of scarring or some swelling in the heart," Maddox said. "Even if they hadn't necessarily been that sick."
The study Maddox is referring to was published in JAMA Cardiology by German researchers in July. The study, which used Cardiac Magnetic Resonance (CMR) imaging in 100 recently-recovered COVID-19 patients, identified ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 percent of the recovering volunteers. In total, 78 percent had abnormal CMR findings. "These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19," the authors state in the study.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916?gu
estAccessKey=698ebd4c-5c29-4069-9ef6-8839bcbc07de&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=072720
A separate autopsy study by a different group of German researchers had similar findings, in that the coronavirus had affected COVID-19 patients' hearts.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768914
"We believe that the heart can be affected by COVID in a couple of ways," Maddox said. "One is that the infection and stress resulting from an infection can cause injury to the heart, just almost as a bystander effect with the heart working so hard to fight off the overall viral infection that can cause damage." The second, Maddox said, that there might be some "direct viral invasion," although the evidence of that doesn't necessarily stack up. A third concern is for people who have severe symptoms, there could be an overreaction of the immune system attacking the heart. The fourth is related to clotting in the body.
As Scientific American recently reported, a growing body of research suggests COVID-19 has detrimental long-term effects on the heart, even among very healthy young people.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-can-wreck-your-hea
rt-even-if-you-havent-had-any-symptoms/
"It looks like there's long-term lung damage, and this affects various organ systems," Maddox said. "So I think we want to be careful of being too cavalier and saying, 'Oh, throw everybody together and get everybody infected, we'll get enough antibodies circulating to protect everyone,' because I don't think it's that simple."
"I think there may be a fairly large number of people who would have long-term health problems, if we adopted that strategy," Maddox added.
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/05/what-it-feels-like-to-survive-covid-1
9s-dreaded-cytokine-storm/
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/02/trump-scott-atlas-herd-immunity-heart
-health-coronavirus-cardiovascular-problems/
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COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms
A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus
We’ve also known for a while that some COVID-19 patients’ hearts are taking a beating, too—but over the past few weeks, the evidence has strengthened that cardiac damage can happen even among people who have never displayed symptoms of coronavirus infection. And these frightening findings help explain why college and professional sports leagues are proceeding with special caution as they make decisions about whether or not to play.
More than a dozen athletes at Power Five conference schools have been identified as having myocardial injury following coronavirus infection, according to ESPN; two of the conferences—the Big Ten and the Pac-12—already have announced they are postponing all competitive sports until 2021. And in Major League Baseball, Boston Red Sox ace pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez told reporters that he felt “100 years old” as a result of his bout with COVID, and of MLB’s shortened season because of myocarditis—an inflammation of the heart muscle, often triggered by a virus. Said Rodriguez: “That’s [the heart is] the most important part of your body, so when you hear that … I was kind of scared a little. Now that I know what it is, it’s still scary.”
Why are these athletes (and their leagues and conferences) taking such extreme precautions? It’s because of the stakes. Though it often resolves without incident, myocarditis can lead to severe complications such as abnormal heart rhythms, chronic heart failure and even sudden death.
Here’s the background: Myocarditis appears to result from the direct infection of the virus attacking the heart, or possibly as a consequence of the inflammation triggered by the body’s overly aggressive immune response. And it is not age-specific: In The Lancet, doctors recently reported on an 11-year-old child with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C)—a rare illness—who died of myocarditis and heart failure. At autopsy, pathologists were able to identify coronavirus particles present in the child’s cardiac tissue, helping to explain the virus’ direct involvement in her death. In fact, researchers are reporting the presence of viral protein in the actual heart muscle, of six deceased patients. Of note is the fact that these patients were documented to have died of lung failure, having had neither clinical signs of heart involvement, nor a prior history of cardiac disease.
Ossama Samuel, associate chief of cardiology at Mount Sinai Beth Israel in New York, told me about a cluster of younger adults developing myocarditis, some of them a month or so after they had recovered from COVID-19. One patient, who developed myocarditis four weeks after believing he had recovered from the virus, responded to a course of steroid treatment only to develop a recurrence in the form of pericarditis (an inflammation of the sac surrounding the heart). A second patient, in her 40s, now has reduced heart function from myocarditis, and a third—an athletic man in his 40s—is experiencing recurring and dangerous ventricular heart rhythms, necessitating that he wear a LifeVest defibrillator for protection. His MRI also demonstrates fibrosis and scarring of his heart muscle, which may be permanent, and he may ultimately require placement of a permanent defibrillator.
J.N. ... told me that COVID-19 symptoms first appeared in his case in late March. ... Just 34 years old, he was diagnosed with COVID-induced myocarditis and severe heart failure. Doctors admitted him to the intensive care unit and placed him on a lifesaving intra-aortic balloon pump due to the very poor function of his heart. He spent two weeks in the hospital, has suffered recurrences since his discharge, and now says, “I’m very careful. I’m very concerned about the length of time I’ve been feeling sick, and if these symptoms are lifelong or will go away anytime soon.” J.N. said that everyday activities, like carrying
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Yeah. Sure. Whatever.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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THANKS FOR THE BUMP.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms
A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus
We’ve also known for a while that some COVID-19 patients’ hearts are taking a beating, too—but over the past few weeks, the evidence has strengthened that cardiac damage can happen even among people who have never displayed symptoms of coronavirus infection. And these frightening findings help explain why college and professional sports leagues are proceeding with special caution as they make decisions about whether or not to play.
More than a dozen athletes at Power Five conference schools have been identified as having myocardial injury following coronavirus infection, according to ESPN; two of the conferences—the Big Ten and the Pac-12—already have announced they are postponing all competitive sports until 2021. And in Major League Baseball, Boston Red Sox ace pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez told reporters that he felt “100 years old” as a result of his bout with COVID, and of MLB’s shortened season because of myocarditis—an inflammation of the heart muscle, often triggered by a virus. Said Rodriguez: “That’s [the heart is] the most important part of your body, so when you hear that … I was kind of scared a little. Now that I know what it is, it’s still scary.”
Why are these athletes (and their leagues and conferences) taking such extreme precautions? It’s because of the stakes. Though it often resolves without incident, myocarditis can lead to severe complications such as abnormal heart rhythms, chronic heart failure and even sudden death.
Here’s the background: Myocarditis appears to result from the direct infection of the virus attacking the heart, or possibly as a consequence of the inflammation triggered by the body’s overly aggressive immune response. And it is not age-specific: In The Lancet, doctors recently reported on an 11-year-old child with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C)—a rare illness—who died of myocarditis and heart failure. At autopsy, pathologists were able to identify coronavirus particles present in the child’s cardiac tissue, helping to explain the virus’ direct involvement in her death. In fact, researchers are reporting the presence of viral protein in the actual heart muscle, of six deceased patients. Of note is the fact that these patients were documented to have died of lung failure, having had neither clinical signs of heart involvement, nor a prior history of cardiac disease.
Ossama Samuel, associate chief of cardiology at Mount Sinai Beth Israel in New York, told me about a cluster of younger adults developing myocarditis, some of them a month or so after they had recovered from COVID-19. One patient, who developed myocarditis four weeks after believing he had recovered from the virus, responded to a course of steroid treatment only to develop a recurrence in the form of pericarditis (an inflammation of the sac surrounding the heart). A second patient, in her 40s, now has reduced heart function from myocarditis, and a third—an athletic man in his 40s—is experiencing recurring and dangerous ventricular heart rhythms, necessitating that he wear a LifeVest defibrillator for protection. His MRI also demonstrates fibrosis and scarring of his heart muscle, which may be permanent, and he may ultimately require placement of a permanent defibrillator.
J.N. ... told me that COVID-19 symptoms first appeared in his case in late March. ... Just 34 years old, he was diagnosed with COVID-induced myocarditis and severe heart failure. Doctors admitted him to the intensive care unit and placed him on a lifesaving intra-aortic balloon pump due to the very poor function of his heart. He spent two weeks in the hospital, has suffered recurrences since his discharge, and now says, “I’m very careful. I’m very concerned about the length of time I’ve been feeling sick, and if these symptoms are lifelong or will go away anytime soon.” J.N. said thNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
COVID-19 Can Wreck Your Heart, Even if You Haven’t Had Any Symptoms
A growing body of research is raising concerns about the cardiac consequences of the coronavirus
We’ve also known for a while that some COVID-19 patients’ hearts are taking a beating, too—but over the past few weeks, the evidence has strengthened that cardiac damage can happen even among people who have never displayed symptoms of coronavirus infection. And these frightening findings help explain why college and professional sports leagues are proceeding with special caution as they make decisions about whether or not to play.
More than a dozen athletes at Power Five conference schools have been identified as having myocardial injury following coronavirus infection, according to ESPN; two of the conferences—the Big Ten and the Pac-12—already have announced they are postponing all competitive sports until 2021. And in Major League Baseball, Boston Red Sox ace pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez told reporters that he felt “100 years old” as a result of his bout with COVID, and of MLB’s shortened season because of myocarditis—an inflammation of the heart muscle, often triggered by a virus. Said Rodriguez: “That’s [the heart is] the most important part of your body, so when you hear that … I was kind of scared a little. Now that I know what it is, it’s still scary.”
Why are these athletes (and their leagues and conferences) taking such extreme precautions? It’s because of the stakes. Though it often resolves without incident, myocarditis can lead to severe complications such as abnormal heart rhythms, chronic heart failure and even sudden death.
Here’s the background: Myocarditis appears to result from the direct infection of the virus attacking the heart, or possibly as a consequence of the inflammation triggered by the body’s overly aggressive immune response. And it is not age-specific: In The Lancet, doctors recently reported on an 11-year-old child with multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C)—a rare illness—who died of myocarditis and heart failure. At autopsy, pathologists were able to identify coronavirus particles present in the child’s cardiac tissue, helping to explain the virus’ direct involvement in her death. In fact, researchers are reporting the presence of viral protein in the actual heart muscle, of six deceased patients. Of note is the fact that these patients were documented to have died of lung failure, having had neither clinical signs of heart involvement, nor a prior history of cardiac disease.
Ossama Samuel, associate chief of cardiology at Mount Sinai Beth Israel in New York, told me about a cluster of younger adults developing myocarditis, some of them a month or so after they had recovered from COVID-19. One patient, who developed myocarditis four weeks after believing he had recovered from the virus, responded to a course of steroid treatment only to develop a recurrence in the form of pericarditis (an inflammation of the sac surrounding the heart). A second patient, in her 40s, now has reduced heart function from myocarditis, and a third—an athletic man in his 40s—is experiencing recurring and dangerous ventricular heart rhythms, necessitating that he wear a LifeVest defibrillator for protection. His MRI also demonstrates fibrosis and scarring of his heart muscle, which may be permanent, and he may ultimately require placement of a permanent defibrillator.
J.N. ... told me that COVID-19 symptoms first appeared in his case in late March. ... Just 34 years old, he was diagnosed with COVID-induced myocarditis and severe heart failure. Doctors admitted him to the intensive care unit and placed him on a lifesaving intra-aortic balloon pump due to the very poor function of his heart. He spent two weeks in the hospital, has suffered recurrences since his discharge, and now says, “I’m very careful. I’m very concerned about the length of time I’ve been feeling sick, and if these symptoms are lifelNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
All I know is that they better extend that unemployment pretty much forever at this point.
Or you're going to want to trade that face mask in for a bullet proof vest and some fire retardant PPE.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I hope you mean TRUMP has better extend unemployment! Because democrats are in no position to make that happen!
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Quote:That is a pretty lame lie.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I hope you mean TRUMP has better extend unemployment! Because democrats are in no position to make that happen!
Dems are creating the lockdown economic loss, joblessness problem. Dems can pass all the relief they want to, the GOP have been ready to approve Relief bills galore. But Dems are holding hostage the Relief Bills because they are demanding $1 Trillion in Dem Pork instead of Relief.
I had thought better of you.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
The link below is to an article that gives a pretty good summary of what we know so far about long-term and permanent organ damage - especially heart damage - in people who've had COVID-19 (even mild and asymptomatic cases). It also has a number of links to original information.Quote:
... the herd immunity–building approach has another major problem, only recently realized: The long-term health impact the coronavirus can have on victim's hearts. Troublingly, even those who seem to have less-pronounced COVID-19 symptoms or no symptoms at all may discover that they have heart issues later.
"That's certainly the concern, even for people who have a relatively benign infection ... (said) Dr. Thomas Maddox ... "... like we saw with the German study, sometimes even those folks, at least a subset, may have long-term cardiac damage. It was really concerning that about 80 percent of people had some evidence of scarring or some swelling in the heart," Maddox said. "Even if they hadn't necessarily been that sick."
The study Maddox is referring to was published in JAMA Cardiology by German researchers in July. The study, which used Cardiac Magnetic Resonance (CMR) imaging in 100 recently-recovered COVID-19 patients, identified ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 percent of the recovering volunteers. In total, 78 percent had abnormal CMR findings. "These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19," the authors state in the study.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaca
rdiology/fullarticle/2768916?guestAcces
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A separate autopsy study by a different group of German researchers had similar findings, in that the coronavirus had affected COVID-19 patients' hearts.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacar
diology/fullarticle/2768914
"We believe that the heart can be affected by COVID in a couple of ways," Maddox said. "One is that the infection and stress resulting from an infection can cause injury to the heart, just almost as a bystander effect with the heart working so hard to fight off the overall viral infection that can cause damage." The second, Maddox said, that there might be some "direct viral invasion," although the evidence of that doesn't necessarily stack up. A third concern is for people who have severe symptoms, there could be an overreaction of the immune system attacking the heart. The fourth is related to clotting in the body.
As Scientific American recently reported, a growing body of research suggests COVID-19 has detrimental long-term effects on the heart, even among very healthy young people.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti
cle/covid-19-can-wreck-your-heart-eve
n-if-you-havent-had-any-symptoms/
"It looks like there's long-term lung damage, and this affects various organ systems," Maddox said. "So I think we want to be careful of being too cavalier and saying, 'Oh, throw everybody together and get everybody infected, we'll get enough antibodies circulating to protect everyone,' because I don't think it's that simple."
"I think there may be a fairly large number of people who would have long-term health problems, if we adopted that strategy," Maddox added.
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/05/what-it-fe
els-like-to-survive-covid-19s-dreaded-cytokine-storm/
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/02/trump-scott-at
las-herd-immunity-heart-health-coronavirus-card
iovascular-problems/
Wow. That ook 6 edits to make it readable.
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Quote:Don't forget that superspreader event - Portland Party, the 90-day Riot and Bonfire. That must be the highest Infection rate in the world, assuming of course that the concept of superspreader events is valid.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
potential superspreader events
25 February 2020 mardi gras
nn March 2020 spring break
nn May 2020 many states reopen
25 May 2020 memorial day
26 May - 23 June 2020 floyd protests
4 July 2020 independence day
7-16 August 2020 sturgis
mid August 2020 reopening schools
What are the infection case rates for Portland? If that is not the highest in the world, then the rest of us need to get out and Party as much as these miscreants.
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bump.
In case anybody missed that last post.
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By sheer numbers, Portland doesn't come close to the 400,000+ person Sturgis superspreader event, which was followed by sharp outbreaks in both N (150/M -> 350/M) and S (100/M -> 400/M) Dakota.
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What's going on with the AstraZeneca/ Oxford vaccine trial ...
Covid-19 vaccine trial participant had serious neurological symptoms, but could be discharged today, AstraZeneca CEO says
The participant who triggered a global shutdown of AstraZeneca’s Phase 3 Covid-19 vaccine trials was a woman in the United Kingdom who experienced neurological symptoms consistent with a rare but serious spinal inflammatory disorder called transverse myelitis, the drug maker’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, said during a private conference call with investors on Wednesday morning.
“To have a clinical hold, as has been placed on AstraZeneca as of yesterday, because of a single serious adverse event is not at all unprecedented,” Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health, told a Senate panel on Wednesday. “This certainly happens in any large-scale trial where you have tens of thousands of people invested in taking part, some of them may get ill and you always have to try to figure out: Is that because of the vaccine, or were they going to get that illness anyway?”
The vaccine — known as AZD1222 — uses an adenovirus that carries a gene for one of the proteins in SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19. The adenovirus is designed to induce the immune system to generate a protective response against SARS-2. The platform has not been used in an approved vaccine, but has been tested in experimental vaccines against other viruses, including the Ebola virus.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-
hold-patient-report/
‘Everyone was left to guess what went wrong’: An open letter to AstraZeneca’s CEO on transparency
When the news broke late Tuesday that a participant in your late-stage Covid-19 vaccine trial experienced a serious reaction, the company would only confirm the trial was put on hold in order to review safety data due to a “potentially unexplained illness.”
On Wednesday morning, another statement was issued with essentially the same information, and very little specifics.
That same morning, though, you held a conference call with JP Morgan clients, who learned more details than had been disclosed to the public.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-pascal
-soriot-transparency/
Oxford has been working on a coronavirus vaccine as a modified adenovirus for quite some time. The group was able to quickly modify its existing work when the Chinese published the RNA sequence early on, so they had a head start on the groundwork.
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lol... yeah.
Good luck with those vaccines. I'll let you guys try them for about 20 years and sit back and watch the side effects before that needle is getting anywhere close to me.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Fortunately, I'm informed enough and smart enough that I don't have to make blanket statements about the vaccine. I'll be able to decide when the time comes from where things stand at the time, in my locale, and the info on the particular vaccine available.
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I wanted to get Lasik surgery 20 years ago. It's a good thing I didn't.
You keep telling yourself that you're smart. Have fun being a "well informed" guinea pig. I'm not injecting shit that they rushed out the door for the Karens.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Covid-19 vaccine trial participant had serious neurological symptoms, but could be discharged today, AstraZeneca CEO says
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
What's going on with the AstraZeneca/ Oxford vaccine trial ...
The participant who triggered a global shutdown of AstraZeneca’s Phase 3 Covid-19 vaccine trials was a woman in the United Kingdom who experienced neurological symptoms consistent with a rare but serious spinal inflammatory disorder called transverse myelitis, the drug maker’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, said during a private conference call with investors on Wednesday morning.
“To have a clinical hold, as has been placed on AstraZeneca as of yesterday, because of a single serious adverse event is not at all unprecedented,” Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health, told a Senate panel on Wednesday. “This certainly happens in any large-scale trial where you have tens of thousands of people invested in taking part, some of them may get ill and you always have to try to figure out: Is that because of the vaccine, or were they going to get that illness anyway?”
The vaccine — known as AZD1222 — uses an adenovirus that carries a gene for one of the proteins in SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19. The adenovirus is designed to induce the immune system to generate a protective response against SARS-2. The platform has not been used in an approved vaccine, but has been tested in experimental vaccines against other viruses, including the Ebola virus.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-
hold-patient-report/
‘Everyone was left to guess what went wrong’: An open letter to AstraZeneca’s CEO on transparency
When the news broke late Tuesday that a participant in your late-stage Covid-19 vaccine trial experienced a serious reaction, the company would only confirm the trial was put on hold in order to review safety data due to a “potentially unexplained illness.”
On Wednesday morning, another statement was issued with essentially the same information, and very little specifics.
That same morning, though, you held a conference call with JP Morgan clients, who learned more details than had been disclosed to the public.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-pascal
-soriot-transparency/
Oxford has been working on a coronavirus vaccine as a modified adenovirus for quite some time. The group was able to quickly modify its existing work when the Chinese published the RNA sequence early on, so they had a head start on the groundwork.
The Russian vaccine is also based on adenovirus, and I believe they were the first to develop the Ebola vaccine.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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I know nothing about the Russian vaccine. But I'm always willing to learn something new!
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Good luck with those vaccines. I'll let you guys try them for about 20 years and sit back and watch the side effects before that needle is getting anywhere close to me.
lol... yeah, says the smoker.
You can't make this sh*t up.
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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Good luck with those vaccines. I'll let you guys try them for about 20 years and sit back and watch the side effects before that needle is getting anywhere close to me.
lol... yeah, says the smoker.
100% false equivalence.
Go fuck yourself if you're trying to tell everyone that you don't have any bad and unhealthy habits.
I enjoy smoking. I don't particularly enjoy the idea of injecting a Chinese/Russian/US collaboration approved by Bill Gates and the CDC into my veins.
I know exactly what I'm inhaling.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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