new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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UPDATED: Tuesday, May 5, 2026 22:21
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KIKI, I appreciate your detailed posts. I come here to read about the Wuhan virus, because you have culled the best parts from the M$M and bird-dogged the scientific studies, and informed your posts with your own knowledge and interpretation. For example, I have never heard before of, or understood how, people could become infected thru waste stack vent pipes.
So thank you for your service of bringing the best and latest info on this topic to the board.
SIX, if this topic distresses you, I warmly and politely suggest that you simply not read this thread. As you have said, you get enuf of it on your suggested news feeds, No need to distress yourself further delving into this topic.
However, just as an aside, if you should at some point desire to become prepared for the zombie apocalypse, you could store 30 pounds of various dried beans and 30 pounds of dried grain (could be wheat, corn, or rice, or all three) plus spices and maybe some dried veggies (dried onion, dried parsley, dried carrot etc for flavor) and dried ham (flavor) plus a quart of canola oil, some fish oil caps, multi-vitamins WITH B-12, and TUMS (or generic) and you'd be set for a month, once you've eatne up everything in your fridge, freezer, and cupboards. If you cook two cups of beans and two cups of grain per day and add 3 T of canola oil that you give you sufficient protein, calories, fat, fiber, and minerals. Just make sure to store them in an airtight, rodent-proof container, and freeze your grains for a couple of weeks to kill any pantry-moth eggs that might be lurking there.
KIKI, since you're a biologist with an interest in nutrition I would appreciate a review of my suggestion. I believe it's short of calcium, but cheese powder is very expensive. Any thoughts?
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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As an aside ... there are many nations and regions whose healthcare and epidemiological monitoring would be totally incapable of detecting, much less tracking and isolating, Wuhan virus infections. That would be India, most of the 'stans, all of Africa, and all of South and Central America except Cuba. Given that the virus is likely to have already spread to a number of nations such as Singapore, Taiwan, Cambodia, Philippines, Indonesia etc (India and China don't get along, there are very few Chinese in India. Same with Vietnam. But "very few" doesn't mean "none"; and the possibility of spread to these nations still exists.) and will quite possibly spread further, what should the border response be? A ban on ALL international travel? Don't invest in airline stocks or cruise ships!
It was just a thought.
Also, what effect does this have on China's One Belt, One Road project? As a means of moving goods and investing in foreign infrastructure it should be OK, but its people-moving aspect might lag behind, until a successful vaccine and/or antivirals are developed.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I request that your please do not dumb down your posts on this forum.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
So, Jack I was thinking about what you posted - that if I wanted to post AND BE UNDERSTOOD - I should be posting on some biology board.
You're right and I apologize. I do try to keep the jargon down to a minimum. But it goes beyond jargon. There are concepts that I reference that probably aren't obvious to the non-bio person. So I'll try to be more aware of when I'm heading into bio-territory, and adjust my posts to account for that.
Only one person was unable to comprehend what you have been saying, the rest of us had not problem. There was only one person who was celebrating illiteracy, he was intentionally being obtuse, dumb, and argumentative, and I think he even apologized for it all. The rest of us enjoy your discourse and your ability to not treat us like children with a temper tantrum.
Again, I request that you not dumb down your posts here. This is a Sci-Fi based forum. If you happen to post at Densa, then feel free to dumb down.
It sounds like you're talking about yourself because that's not at all how the conversation went.
Why don't you re-read it before you say something else stupid that you're going to regret?
That's strike two.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Dry powdered milk?
I believe it's short of calcium, but cheese powder is very expensive. Any thoughts?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/carnation/nonfat-dry-milk
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I think the consensus is that I continue to geek-out. But I'll keep in mind that it might be helpful for me to explain some concepts or define some terms.
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This just occurred to me - while the Diamond Princess was a stew of infectivity (and omg would I hate to have been on it), AFAIK there've been no definite cases of person-to-person spread in US-based quarantine (though there have been cases of people who tested negative initially 'converting' to positive). That indicates to me that 1) we need better tests !! and 2) there's an arguable handle on how to prevent transmission.
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Quote:I don't know what it 'should' be, but having read through some of the CDC's pandemic webpages, it looks like the US has the authority to quarantine anyone or everyone coming across the border, or deny entry, even if the point of entry is by air or ship.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... what should the border response be? A ban on ALL international travel?
One rumor I've read is that the US is preparing a number of military bases as mass quarantine facilities, but it was posited as for US people.
When it comes to people arriving from other countries ... the CDC is already predicting this will become endemic here (medical definition: present or usually prevalent in a population or geographical area at all times). What it's hoping to do is SLOW the progression from sporadic to endemic, to give medicine a chance to catch up with testing, treatment, and/ or vaccination. So when it comes to foreign entry, I guess it'll depend on how prevalent the virus seems to be in the incoming people (by perhaps country of origin). If it doesn't seem to be adding to the spread, I presume people will be allowed to enter if they're symptom-free. But if it appears to be accelerating spread, I can imagine the borders being closed.
But clearly we need better tests or testing, because results seem far less than meaningful. I agree with China to diagnose on the basis of symptoms - I would argue chest x-day as the most meaningful addition.
Quote:I would imagine that would be the case.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also, what effect does this have on China's One Belt, One Road project? As a means of moving goods and investing in foreign infrastructure it should be OK, but its people-moving aspect might lag behind, until a successful vaccine and/or antivirals are developed.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
But we'll also see a drop in supplies to the world - as you pointed out even vital fine chemicals and pharmaceuticals. That'll put the US in a world of hurt.
I personally am wondering how this will impact CO2 emissions! A drop in sales = a drop in demand = a drop in manufacturing, at least. And then there is the direct closure of factories themselves to stop the spread. I wonder if we'll see a divot in emissions, like we saw in 2008 from the Great Recession.
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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/bit-chaotic-christening-new-co
ronavirus-and-its-disease-name-create-confusion
COVID-19 is a name for the disease, not for the virus that causes it, which until now had a temporary moniker, 2019-nCoV, signifying it was a novel coronavirus that emerged last year. But the pathogen also got a new designation, which arrived before Tedros had even finished his press conference, by way of a preprint posted on bioRxiv by the body charged with classifying and naming viruses. The Coronavirus Study Group (CSG) of the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses, the paper noted, had decided that the virus is a variant of the coronavirus that caused an outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in 2002–03. So, it named the new pathogen severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus 2, or SARS-CoV-2.
But that’s not a name WHO is happy with, and the agency isn’t planning on adopting it. “From a risk communications perspective, using the name SARS can have unintended consequences in terms of creating unnecessary fear for some populations, especially in Asia which was worst affected by the SARS outbreak in 2003,” a WHO spokesperson wrote in an email to Science. “For that reason and others, in public communications WHO will refer to 'the virus responsible for COVID-19' or 'the COVID-19 virus,' but neither of these designations is intended as replacements for the official name of the virus" that the study group has picked.
comment: So for political reasons - why else? - WHO won't use the official virus name because it's too traumatizing to the people of the countries who underwent the SARS outbreak in 2002-2003. And thus, a useful designation that carries scientific meaning - ie - the virus is a variation of SARS - won't be used by everyone.
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It would be far too late to close the borders at this point.
I think that people who make decisions should look at this virus as a precursor for what's down the pike, since it's only a matter of time until something extremely deadly and highly contagious makes an outbreak.
At this point, and forgive me for sounding like a dick here, I'm hoping that this is a bit more serious than I've thought it was and that it does make a large and negative impact here in the states. Nothing earth shattering, but enough to give a serious sting and to get people to be a little outraged about how it was handled.
Even somebody like JSF was giving me shit when I said that we shouldn't let US citizens back in from China, as if I am unpatriotic to even think such an idea. I want him to be wrong here. I want people like him to even think that it's a bad idea to take American citizens back from countries where an outbreak is occurring.
It's all fun and games until a few million people die.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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We can let evacuees in, provided that they're quarantined for a month, and (since there seems to be an unacceptable false negative rate with testing) tested multiple times throughout their quarantine before being released (also, if anyone tests positive the clock to being released for the whole group is reset to zero.)
What we CAN'T do is test EVERYONE who crosses our borders: tourists, students, businesspeople, guest workers, and (of course) legal and illegant migrants, so a border ban might be in order, especially if we're trying to stampout the Wuhn virus here.
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Oh, toilet paper. Don't forget the toilet paper in your emergency kit. A pack of N95 masks and a box of disposable gloves and a pump-bottle of hand sanitizer, shampoo, toothpaste, and a month's worth of whatever medication you're taking.
Unfortunately for us, dear daughter can't eat beans and dear hubby can't eat too much starch, so I will have to think up another emergency kit for the family.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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