new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 20, 2020 2:48 AM

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JSF:Do you have an idea, or can recall some of the "misinformation" which has been proven true? Like which specific items?

KIKI: OMG - how many? Start of epidemic. Source of epidemic. Transmissibility between people. Number of cases. Actions taken by China to limit the spread ...
Coronavirus outbreak: Facebook, Google, YouTube and Twitter scramble to contain "misinformation"

JSF: In movies and novels, some plot use government control of media to regulate panic, mass hysteria. Sometimes for Outbreaks, or else Aliens, etc. The mass hysteria of Trump-haters is unfettered, but real information on coronavirus seems readily scrubbed.
Is this all targeting Free Speech?

KIKI: Whether it's intended or not ... ultimately? Yes, Free Speech is a victim, along with actual dead people and those permanently impacted. But honestly, I don't care about the rest of the world. I care about here, in the US. Our 'news' has been distorted for a long, long time. But looking for 'news' on the coronavirus, given my background and experience, it's horrifyingly obvious how deeply it's been truncated to officialese and propaganda.

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Remember Fukushima? The government (theirs, ours) was telling everyone not to panic, even as the reactors were exploding, people evacuated right into the plume, and a US military ship was dusted with fallout. What about 9-11? When "they" tell you "Don't panic" is the time to ... well, panicking is never a good thing, but one must parse the news very, very carefully and do a bit of imaginative projection to capture the scope of the problem. The government will ALWAYS tell you that everything is under control. (BTW ... Fukushima, and it's radioactive contaminants, while "disappeared" from the news, has not disappeared from the globe. The "cleanup" people there want to dump a whole crap-ton of radioactive waste into the ocean. And another tidbit about Fukushima ... immediately after the tsunami and explosion, word was filtering through British Columbian forest service not to use the rainwater collected from rooftops ... apparently the forest service relies on collected rainwater for its outlying stations ... for at least two weeks. SOMEbody had their thinking cap on! Radioactive iodine is extremely volatile and spreads very quickly after a nuclear accident ... and BC was right downwind... but it has a half-life of eight days. Just an example of a pice of info that usually never makes it to the public.)

So, yanno, when "they" tell you it's all under control ... whether it's a nuclear accident, widespread disaster (hurricane, earthquake, EMP), terrorist attack, financial metldown, global warming, cyberattack, the current extinction wave, or pandemic ... hmm... probably not.

And even tho SO FAR disasters HAVE been brought under control and corraled from becoming universal/global, real people have really died and real people have really lost their livelihoods and futures, and the real environment is really getting degraded/contaminated in irreversible ways. (a) You don't want to be one of those people in the path of disaster who really gets sick/contaminated or really dies or really loses their means of survival, and (b) You need to respond to future events.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, February 20, 2020 2:58 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
NYTimes:

Japan Lets Cruise Passengers Walk Free. Is That Safe?

As a quarantine over a coronavirus outbreak ended, experts expressed alarm over the protocols on the ship, which has 621 confirmed infections.


CNN:

A total of 624 cases of the virus are linked to the stricken ship.

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1KIKI

Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:46 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Do you know if there has been any word on how many of the cases had already gotten a negative on a prior test? A prior report had mentioned that something like 1/3 or 1/4 of all of the tests had been positive - so then did those with negative results get to leave, or were forced to remain, and then subsequently become positive?

I also have not gotten a clear handle on another facet. What is the quickest interval known that a person had exposure and possibly contracted the virus, to the time a test showed positive. Meaning they had no further exposure, but eventually did get a confirmation they had it. This is addressing how long it takes before "false negatives" turn to positives. I do understand that this is likely dependent upon where the samples are taken from in the body - and early tests may have not had good information on where to take samples.

If you already ran across the information, I would find that interesting.

The implication is that the Cruise Ship was a breeding ground for the virus during quarantine. And yet, I have not seen any reports that the people who were airlifted into U.S. and then quarantined have then further spread it to anybody else, either with them in quarantine, or to the outside community.

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1KIKI

Thursday, February 20, 2020 4:12 AM

Here's a pretty good link for basic coronavirus stats.

Except for the Diamond Princess with +hundreds and hundreds of cases, and Iran with +2 cases, there doesn't appear to be any large-scale epidemics outside of China, that we know about, though there looks to be community spread in some countries.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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1KIKI

Thursday, February 20, 2020 4:58 AM

Here's a partial answer to a question:

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=228250

Reports suggest some people test negative up to six times even though they are infected with the virus, according to the BBC and Chinese media. Such was the case with Dr. Li Wenliang, the ophthalmologist who first identified the outbreak and was reprimanded by Chinese authorities when he tried to warn others.

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Are Coronavirus Tests Accurate?

By Karina Lichtenstein on 02/19/2020 4:32 PM
Source: MedicineNet Health News

New cases of the novel coronavirus continue to increase worldwide, with 73,332 confirmed global cases of COVID-19 as of today, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). That includes 72,528 cases in China and 804 cases in 25 countries outside of China.

Some have questioned the accuracy of the statistics released by the Chinese government regarding the reported number of cases and deaths due to the outbreak. Now there are concerns about the accuracy of the laboratory tests used to confirm diagnoses.

Reports suggest some people test negative up to six times even though they are infected with the virus, according to the BBC and Chinese media. Such was the case with Dr. Li Wenliang, the ophthalmologist who first identified the outbreak and was reprimanded by Chinese authorities when he tried to warn others.

Dr. Wenliang developed a cough and fever after unknowingly treating an infected patient. He was hospitalized, testing negative for coronavirus several times before eventually receiving a positive result. On Jan. 30 the doctor posted: "Today nucleic acid testing came back with a positive result, the dust has settled, finally diagnosed," according to the BBC. Dr. Wenliang passed away on February 7 in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak.

False-negative test results, where patients are told they do not have a condition when they actually do, cause several problems. Patients may be turned away from hospitals and medical facilities when they require care. They may infect others at home, work, school, or in the community. Patients' conditions may also worsen without treatment.

When faced with a highly infectious, potentially deadly pathogen, even a small number of false negatives can have a potentially serious and widespread impact on the larger population.

How Do Doctors Diagnose COVID-19?

Doctors use a laboratory test called RT-PCR to diagnose severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, or SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 illness. RT-PCR detects and amplifies genetic material of interest. MedicineNet author Melissa Conrad Stöppler, MD notes that "RT-PCR has been used to measure viral load with HIV and may also be used with other RNA viruses such as measles and mumps."

However, RT-PCR tests for the novel coronavirus are not perfect and not always accurate. A recent study in the journal Radiology examined medical records from 167 patients with COVID-19 from Hunan province in China. Researchers found that five patients out of 167 -- 3% of the study group -- who had chest CT scan features suggestive of COVID-19 initially tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 infection by RT-PCR. The patients were isolated and all eventually were confirmed through repeated swab tests to have the infection.

False negatives comprised just 3% of the patient population in this study. However, failure to detect a small number of cases of the potentially deadly viral infection may have wide-ranging effects for patients and others who may become infected.

Why Are Coronavirus Tests Inaccurate?

The study authors note that RT-PCR tests may produce false negatives due to laboratory error or insufficient amount of viral material collected fro

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