new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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To me, the most telling factor is that Singapore has as much China air traffic as the US, and has community spread. I think they also have a denser population that's well-connected, and a better medical system where people have good access to doctors and won't hesitate to go if they feel ill. So they have better eyes on their situation than we do on ours.
I can imagine someone, or a few someones, in the US not feeling really well, who want or need to just shrug it off and carry on without seeing anyone. And if they were in a smaller community, or a not well-served community, I could imagine community spread going unnoticed until someone, or more likely a few someones, become critically ill and die. Because who's going to look too deeply into a pneumonia death or heart failure death of a elderly person during flu season? I think it would take a far louder alarm clock than that.
Anyway, here in the US I see the current problem as a(n) unidentified infectious person(s).
Across the globe, yeah, there are many countries where 2019-nCoV could become epidemic. And then what would the US do to stem the tide. Forbid ALL foreigners from landing in the US? It has the potential the become the zombie apocalypse, where an unstoppable tide comes through your door.
So I see the potential for spread through two waves - the first by direct import from China, the second by import from the world at large.
That's definitely a possibility. Unless I were literally dying, I would not be going to see a doctor. I think I've told you all about my strep throat story and how I nearly died from it before?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Scientists have discovered that it can be transmitted from person to person very easily, it has an incubation period of up to 24 days https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-preprint-on-the-
incubation-period-of-the-novel-coronavirus/, and it can survive on smooth surfaces for up to 9 days https://www.researchgate.net/post/Novel_Corona_virus_spreading_and_san
itation_issues-are_you_caring .
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/environmental-services/best-appr
oach-disinfecting-surfaces-amid-novel-coronavirus-outbreak
“Ethanol at concentrations between 62% and 71% reduced coronavirus infectivity within 1 min exposure time by 3.0–4.0 log10,” according to the study. “Concentrations of 0.1- 0.5% sodium hypochlorite and 2% glutardialdehyde were also quite effective with > 3.0 log10reduction in viral titre. In contrast, 0.04% benzalkonium chloride, 0.06% sodium hypochlorite and 0.55% ortho-phtalaldehyde were less effective.”
“A higher temperature such as 30°C or 40°C reduced the duration of persistence of highly pathogenic MERS-CoV, TGEV, and MHV,” the study states. “However, at 4°C persistence of TGEV and MHV can be increased to = 28 days.”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7818957_Efficacy_of_various_d
isinfectants_against_SARS_coronavirus
The recent severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) epidemic in Asia and Northern America led to broad use of various types of disinfectant in order to control the public spread of the highly contagious virus. However, only limited data were available to demonstrate their efficacy against SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV). We therefore investigated eight disinfectants for their activity against SARS-CoV according to prEN 14476. Four hand rubs were tested at 30s (Sterillium, based on 45% iso-propanol, 30% n-propanol and 0.2% mecetronium etilsulphate; Sterillium Rub, based on 80% ethanol; Sterillium Gel, based on 85% ethanol; Sterillium Virugard, based on 95% ethanol). Three surface disinfectants were investigated at 0.5% for 30 min and 60 min (Mikrobac forte, based on benzalkonium chloride and laurylamine; Kohrsolin FF, based on benzalkonium chloride, glutaraldehyde and didecyldimonium chloride; Dismozon pur, based on magnesium monoperphthalate), and one instrument disinfectant was investigated at 4% for 15 min, 3% for 30 min and 2% for 60 min [Korsolex basic, based on glutaraldehyde and (ethylenedioxy)dimethanol]. Three types of organic load were used: 0.3% albumin, 10% fetal calf serum, and 0.3% albumin with 0.3% sheep erythrocytes. Virus titres were determined by a quantitative test (endpoint titration) in 96-well microtitre plates. With all tested preparations, SARS-CoV was inactivated to below the limit of detection (reduction factor mostly > or =4), regardless of the type of organic load. In summary, SARS-CoV can be inactivated quite easily with many commonly used disinfectants.
https://www.nea.gov.sg/our-services/public-cleanliness/environmental-c
leaning-guidelines/guidelines/interim-list-of-household-products-and-active-ingredients-for-disinfection-of-novel-coronavirus (Singapore)
Interim Guidelines for Environmental Cleaning and Disinfection of Areas Exposed to Confirmed Case(s) of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in Non-Healthcare Commercial Premises
Interim Guidelines for Environmental Cleaning and Disinfection in Residences That May Be Exposed to the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
Interim List of Household Products and Active Ingredients for Disinfection of Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
Many general household products contain the appropriate concentrations of active ingredients (A.I.) that are known to inactivate coronaviruses. As the nCoV is new, no study has been conducted directly on the virus. However, because nCoV is a coronavirus, published scientific studies using coronaviruses have been referenced.
For general precautionary cleaning, detergent and water are adequate. For disinfection of areas that are very likely to be contaminated with nCoV (e.g. bedroom of a person confirmed to have a nCoV
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Quote:No, I don't recall ... but it might have been a post I overlooked because of not being here all the time, or maybe tired and inattentive. Please ... I'd like to hear it.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think I've told you all about my strep throat story and how I nearly died from it before?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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So I did a quick look-see - how ARE they testing for the virus? I found results from Australia, Ontario Canada, and the CDC, so I can't say anything about China, or Japan, or anywhere else.
And I think people versed in this technology would school me about the critical differences between the three methods I found! But basically they take swab samples for the nasopharynx (back of the nose), oropharynx (back of the throat), lower respiratory tract (sputum, if the patient has a productive cough), and/ or blood. After proper storage and transport the samples are tested for viral RNA. (People have DNA that codes the cells, some viruses have RNA instead.) The RNA is translated to DNA, and certain portions of the DNA are amplified (reproduced) in order to be detected.
In general, this is a sensitive type of test method, but there seems to be a lot of false negatives (the virus isn't detected even though people are infected) with this particular virus.
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When an outbreak of the Ebola virus touched the United States’ shores in mid-2014, Donald J. Trump was still a private citizen. But he had strong opinions about how America should act.
Mr. Trump, who has spoken openly about his phobia of germs, closely followed the epidemic, and offered angry commentary about what he said was the Obama administration’s dangerous response. He demanded draconian measures like canceling flights, forcing quarantines and even denying the return of American medical workers who had contracted the disease in Africa.
“Ebola patient will be brought to the U.S. in a few days — now I know for sure that our leaders are incompetent. KEEP THEM OUT OF HERE!” Mr. Trump tweeted on that July 31 after learning that one American medical worker would be evacuated to Atlanta from Liberia. “The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA infected people back,” Mr. Trump wrote the next day, adding: “People that go to far away places to help out are great — but must suffer the consequences!”
In nearly 50 tweets, as well as in appearances on Fox News and other networks, Mr. Trump supported flight bans and strict quarantines and branded President Barack Obama’s deployment of troops to West Africa to fight the disease as “morally unfair.”
Many health experts called Mr. Trump’s responses extreme, noting that the health workers would have most likely faced agonizing deaths had they not been evacuated to American hospitals. Former Obama administration officials said his commentary stoked alarmism in the news media and spread fear among the public.
Now Mr. Trump confronts another epidemic in the form of the coronavirus, this time at the head of the country’s health care and national security agencies. The illness has infected few people in the United States, but health officials fear it could soon spread more widely. And while Mr. Trump has so far kept his distance from the issue, public health experts worry that his extreme fear of germs, disdain for scientific and bureaucratic expertise and suspicion of foreigners could be a dangerous mix, should he wind up overseeing a severe outbreak at home.
https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2020/02/11/experts-worry-as-a-germ-ph
obic-trump-confronts-growing-coronavirus-epidemic/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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When an outbreak of the Ebola virus touched the United States’ shores in mid-2014, Donald J. Trump was still a private citizen. But he had strong opinions about how America should act.
Mr. Trump, who has spoken openly about his phobia of germs, closely followed the epidemic, and offered angry commentary about what he said was the Obama administration’s dangerous response. He demanded draconian measures like canceling flights, forcing quarantines and even denying the return of American medical workers who had contracted the disease in Africa.
“Ebola patient will be brought to the U.S. in a few days — now I know for sure that our leaders are incompetent. KEEP THEM OUT OF HERE!” Mr. Trump tweeted on that July 31 after learning that one American medical worker would be evacuated to Atlanta from Liberia. “The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA infected people back,” Mr. Trump wrote the next day, adding: “People that go to far away places to help out are great — but must suffer the consequences!”
In nearly 50 tweets, as well as in appearances on Fox News and other networks, Mr. Trump supported flight bans and strict quarantines and branded President Barack Obama’s deployment of troops to West Africa to fight the disease as “morally unfair.”
Many health experts called Mr. Trump’s responses extreme, noting that the health workers would have most likely faced agonizing deaths had they not been evacuated to American hospitals. Former Obama administration officials said his commentary stoked alarmism in the news media and spread fear among the public.
Now Mr. Trump confronts another epidemic in the form of the coronavirus, this time at the head of the country’s health care and national security agencies. The illness has infected few people in the United States, but health officials fear it could soon spread more widely. And while Mr. Trump has so far kept his distance from the issue, public health experts worry that his extreme fear of germs, disdain for scientific and bureaucratic expertise and suspicion of foreigners could be a dangerous mix, should he wind up overseeing a severe outbreak at home.
https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2020/02/11/experts-worry-as-a-germ-ph
obic-trump-confronts-growing-coronavirus-epidemic/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Oh. Good to know.
That's exactly what I said they should do.
Hopefully when an extinction level event comes our way instead of just the flu, we'll act appropriately.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Trump already wants to shutdown the country because he is in a panic, but he has not because that would crash the economy and he would lose the next election. The experts keep telling Trump to NOT do it, but Trump, if and when he gets a cough, will tweet a shutdown against the advice of the experts.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh. Good to know.
That's exactly what I said they should do.
Hopefully when an extinction level event comes our way instead of just the flu, we'll act appropriately.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-epidemic.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump already wants to shutdown the country because he is in a panic, but he has not because that would crash the economy and he would lose the next election. The experts keep telling Trump to NOT do it, but Trump, if and when he gets a cough, will tweet a shutdown against the advice of the experts.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh. Good to know.
That's exactly what I said they should do.
Hopefully when an extinction level event comes our way instead of just the flu, we'll act appropriately.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-epidemic.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I'm hesitant to give anybody the title of "expert".
But I do get your point. The point being that TRUMP IS NOT A DICTATORSHIP.
Just wanted to point that out here to all the feeble minded chumps who have said otherwise for three years straight.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Once Trump orders the borders closed, the experts will have to either stop saying it is excessive or lose their jobs.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm hesitant to give anybody the title of "expert".
But I do get your point. The point being that TRUMP IS NOT A DICTATORSHIP.
Just wanted to point that out here to all the feeble minded chumps who have said otherwise for three years straight.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-epidemic.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Once Trump orders the borders closed, the experts will have to either stop saying it is excessive or lose their jobs.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm hesitant to give anybody the title of "expert".
But I do get your point. The point being that TRUMP IS NOT A DICTATORSHIP.
Just wanted to point that out here to all the feeble minded chumps who have said otherwise for three years straight.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-epidemic.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Oh. So you're telling me that we DID nuke those hurricanes then?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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