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RUE
Wednesday, March 13, 2019 5:35 AM

So, this is a complete aide. But jack wondered how the anti-war party became the war hawk party. One could also wonder how the party that claims to represent the good of the people came to represent the multi-nationalist free-traders. Or how that same party went from protecting the environment to quietly joining the other side. Or from protecting people's bank accounts to giving away their assets to the bankers.

And I think that it's because most people really don't care if we start wars or remain peaceable. Or make goods in the US or buy things 'Made in China'. Or preserve the environment or do business as usual. Or care if many get poor while a few get far richer.

As a result, the democratic party doesn't stand for any vital thing, and doesn't hold itself accountable to fight for any vital thing, like peace, productive capacity, preserving the environment, or creating a fair society. Nope. What it stands for is 'we are the side opposed the republicans'. It's tribal. Republicans bad, democrats good.


And those poor democrats who actually mistook their party for one of principle, like McGovern or Gore, were left hanging around all by their lonesome, while the party retreated from those positions.

I read an interesting article, and it makes a historical case that the human species isn't particularly moral, or altruistic, or I would say even rational. humans are primarily tribal. https://qz.com/1562585/the-seven-moral-rules-that-supposedly-unite-hum
anity
/ An Oxford researcher says there are seven moral rules that unite humanity

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 5:49 AM

I agree that the Democrats have been complete pussies.

They buckle to the bullies on the right constantly.

I think they want to lose. Give the illusion that "we tried to stop them," yet they take money from the same lobbyists.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 6:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
I agree that the Democrats have been complete pussies.

They buckle to the bullies on the right constantly.

I think they want to lose. Give the illusion that "we tried to stop them," yet they take money from the same lobbyists.




What the shit, dude. You just said:

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
"Both sides are just as bad." -Russian trollspeak.




I dunno. That sounds like Russian trollspeak to me.

Did Putin get to you in between the time you made these two posts or something?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 6:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
So, this is a complete aide. But jack wondered how the anti-war party became the war hawk party. One could also wonder how the party that claims to represent the good of the people came to represent the multi-nationalist free-traders. Or how that same party went from protecting the environment to quietly joining the other side. Or from protecting people's bank accounts to giving away their assets to the bankers.

And I think that it's because most people really don't care if we start wars or remain peaceable. Or make goods in the US or buy things 'Made in China'. Or preserve the environment or do business as usual. Or care if many get poor while a few get far richer.

As a result, the democratic party doesn't stand for any vital thing, and doesn't hold itself accountable to fight for any vital thing, like peace, productive capacity, preserving the environment, or creating a fair society. Nope. What it stands for is 'we are the side opposed the republicans'. It's tribal. Republicans bad, democrats good.


And those poor democrats who actually mistook their party for one of principle, like McGovern or Gore, were left hanging around all by their lonesome, while the party retreated from those positions.

I read an interesting article, and it makes a historical case that the human species isn't particularly moral, or altruistic, or I would say even rational. humans are primarily tribal. https://qz.com/1562585/the-seven-moral-rules-that-supposedly-unite-hum
anity
/ An Oxford researcher says there are seven moral rules that unite humanity




Probably the most interesting post I've read here in a while.

Not far off from what I've thought about things for the last 20 years or something. There was a point in time where they were taking down quite a lot of high profile Mafia types, and I found myself thinking that this wasn't a good thing in general. Not that I support any Mafia types or anything, but I thought "great... it's like one huge and super-powered, and infinitely funded macro-gang is systematically wiping out all the little established micro-gangs"

We're well into the era of homogenized culture in the US, spurred on quite quickly by the internet and social media. When I grew up in the world pre-internet, there wasn't much inter-connectivity with much of the world as a rule. Everyone behaved much different because they had to live with the people they regularly conversed with, and all of their actions required to either be face to face with people, or at the very least over the phone. Those days are long gone, and you can see the decay of civility that has come along with social media becoming the public square.

I think that the internet, at least the way we use it under our multi-national corpo-capitalist masters today, will ultimately be the destruction of society that we've spent all of human history putting together.









As for the article, that was an interesting read.


I had just watched an interesting video on YouTube the other day that came to mind when I read this part of the article:

Quote:

“I was surprised by how unsurprising it all was,” he says. “I expected there would be lots of ‘be brave,’ ‘don’t steal from others,’ and ‘return favors,’ but I also expected a lot of strange, bizarre moral rules.” They did find the occasional departure from the norm. For example, among the Chuuk, the largest ethnic group in the Federated States of Micronesia, “to steal openly from others is admirable in that it shows a person’s dominance and demonstrates that he is not intimidated by the aggressive powers of others.” That said, researchers who studied the group concluded that the seven universal moral rules still apply to this behavior: “it appears to be a case in which one form of cooperation (respect for property) has been trumped by another (respect for a hawkish trait, although not explicitly bravery),” they wrote.


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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:05 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
I agree that the Democrats have been complete pussies.

They buckle to the bullies on the right constantly.

I think they want to lose. Give the illusion that "we tried to stop them," yet they take money from the same lobbyists.




What the shit, dude. You just said:

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
"Both sides are just as bad." -Russian trollspeak.




I dunno. That sounds like Russian trollspeak to me.

Did Putin get to you in between the time you made these two posts or something?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You are very, very dumb.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:06 AM

An extremely powerful cyclonic storm will plow through the Plains and Midwest tomorrow. May see major flooding across parts of Nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota as all the snowpack melts abruptly on top of up to 2-3 inches of rainfall in 48 hrs...all while the ground is still cold and below freezing, not allowing for faster infiltration of high precipitation rates. Meanwhile, the High Plains, which have actually missed on a lot of snow will face snowfall amount of 2 feet+ over 48 hrs and gusts of 60-70 mph! The southern Plains will have those gusts without the snow and some severe weather is possible over parts of Texas today and then into Arkansas and Louisiana tomorrow.

This is what you get with a destabilizing jet stream as a result of abrupt climate change...very prominent lobes of cold air blasting south at the expense of the Arctic, interacting with very abnormally warm air, generating these extremely intense storms capable of destroying infrastructure. The Plains and Midwest get intense storms like this, but we are seeing more and more of them now, causing more damage to roads, bridges and livestock which will be in danger tomorrow.

This is the direct result of rapidly-increasing global warming. It will never get better.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:08 PM

Only yesterday Trump tweeted:
Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace: “The whole climate crisis is not only Fake News, it’s Fake Science. There is no climate crisis, there’s weather and climate all around the world, and in fact carbon dioxide is the main building block of all life.” @foxandfriends Wow!
5:29 AM - 12 Mar 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1105445788585467904

This was mentioned in an article: 2 charts refuting Trump’s claim that “airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly”
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/12/18261985/trump-boeing-737-ma
x-8-automation-tweet-debunked


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 5:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Only yesterday Trump tweeted:
Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace: “The whole climate crisis is not only Fake News, it’s Fake Science. There is no climate crisis, there’s weather and climate all around the world, and in fact carbon dioxide is the main building block of all life.” @foxandfriends Wow!
5:29 AM - 12 Mar 2019
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1105445788585467904




The response from twitter user WTFGOP was my favorite: "I seriously could shit a more intelligent President"

JIC....

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/greenpeace-statement-on-patric/

"Patrick Moore often misrepresents himself in the media as an environmental “expert” or even an “environmentalist,” while offering anti-environmental opinions on a wide range of issues and taking a distinctly anti-environmental stance. He also exploits long-gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.

Patrick Moore Does Not Represent Greenpeace

Patrick Moore has been a paid spokesman for a variety of polluting industries for more than 30 years, including the timber, mining, chemical and the aquaculture industries. Most of these industries hired Mr. Moore only after becoming the focus of a Greenpeace campaign to improve their environmental performance. Mr. Moore has now worked for polluters for far longer than he ever worked for Greenpeace. Greenpeace opposes the use of nuclear energy because it is a dangerous and expensive distraction from real solutions to climate change.

Greenpeace and the Green New Deal

In 2019, Mr. Moore has been misrepresented as a Greenpeace spokesperson on the Green New Deal resolution, sponsored by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA). In contrast to Mr. Moore’s comment, please see Greenpeace’s response to the Green New Deal.

Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace

Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cotes, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year. A copy of his application letter and Greenpeace’s response are available here (PDF).

Patrick Moore is a Paid Spokesperson for the Nuclear Industry

In April 2006, the Nuclear Energy Institute, the principal lobby for the nuclear industry, launched the Clean And Safe Energy Coalition and installed former Bush Administration EPA Administrator Christine Todd Whitman and Mr. Moore as its co-chairs. The Clean and Safe Energy Coalition was part of a public relations project spearheaded by the public relations giant Hill & Knowlton as part of its estimated $8 million contract with the nuclear industry.(1)

Patrick Moore Has Provided Inaccurate Information on Nuclear Power

In 2004, Mr. Moore published an article in the International Atomic Energy Agency’s (IAEA) journal entitled “Nuclear Re-think.” According to Mr. Moore, “Three Mile Island was a success story. The concrete containment structure did as it was designed to do: it prevented radiation from escaping into the environment.”(2)

Contrary to Mr. Moore’s claim, the damaged reactor spewed radiation into the environment for days. It appears that Mr. Moore didn’t even bother to check his facts. The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s fact sheet on Three Mile Island (TMI) acknowledges that the meltdown resulted in “a significant release of radiation…”(3)

Even the International Atomic Energy Agency, which published Mr. Moore’s article, acknowledges that the TMI meltdown released radiation into the surrounding community. As a result, the IAEA ranks the accident as a Level 5 on a scale of 7, an Accident With Wider Consequences. (Only C

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 6:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
I agree that the Democrats have been complete pussies.

They buckle to the bullies on the right constantly.

I think they want to lose. Give the illusion that "we tried to stop them," yet they take money from the same lobbyists.




What the shit, dude. You just said:

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
"Both sides are just as bad." -Russian trollspeak.




I dunno. That sounds like Russian trollspeak to me.

Did Putin get to you in between the time you made these two posts or something?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You are very, very dumb.




LOL.

That's all you got? You don't care to back up your hypocrisy or anything?

You and T are funny. Screaming about the end of the world, every day, all day... Doing nothing at all to improve your own situation in life. And you try to bring down everyone around you.

You're worthless, Marcos.

A garbage human being, with nothing to offer the world.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 15, 2019 7:17 AM

"A myth that many uninformed people hold is that biospheric health will quickly bounce back after we humans get our act together. Nothing could be further from the truth."
https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2019/03/13/18821899.php

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