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Originally posted by rue:
Naw - it's intentional misleading lipservice (and a lot of times not even that) to cover up the fact that they're going along with it. The only one who really stepped up was Al Gore, and look how the democratic party left him twisting in the wind all by his lonesome.
Or...
https://environmentamerica.org/blogs/environment-america-blog/ame/pres
ident-obama’s-renewable-energy-legacy
President Obama’s Renewable Energy Legacy
Tuesday, January 10, 2017
By Rob Sargent
Senior Director, Campaign for 100% Renewable Energy
"Tonight, President Obama will deliver a farewell address in his hometown of Chicago. His two terms in office offer many examples of progress for which he deserves thanks and praise. Chief among these examples is the game-changing gains we’ve seen in renewable energy since he took office. Thanks to his commitment to tackling global warming and his leadership, the United States and the world are finally on a path to a future powered entirely by clean, renewable energy.
When President Obama took office in 2009, the U.S. had only 1.2 gigawatts (GW) of solar capacity and 25 GW of wind capacity installed. Since then, there’s nearly three times as much wind power (75 GW), and solar power has increased by an astonishing 2500% clip to 31 GW.
These dramatic increases are, in part, a product of forward-thinking policies by the Obama administration that drove down costs. In early 2009, nearly $90 billion went to renewable energy from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. In 2015, Congress extended renewable tax credits for solar and wind. Throughout the past eight years, the Obama administration actively supported the offshore wind energy industry, and ultimately oversaw the first offshore wind farm coming online in 2016. And they aggressively pushed energy savings by finalizing fifty efficiency standards -- more than any previous administration -- saving consumers $550 billion on their utility bills.
As a result of these actions, the cost of solar and wind has decreased in stunning fashion -- exceeding even the more optimistic projections. Land-based wind costs have dropped 41 percent since 2008, and wind now powers over 17 million U.S. households. The cost of rooftop solar has declined by 54 percent, and as of the beginning of 2016, one million households had solar panels. Finally, utility-scale solar costs have been cut by 64 percent, powering two million homes.
There is no denying that solar and wind are booming like never before under President Obama’s leadership. What’s more, a growing body of research indicates that the transition to a low-carbon economy is happening alongside a growing economy. Since the president took office, carbon emissions from electricity fell by 9.5 percent, while the economy grew by more than 10 percent -- and we’re seeing the same pattern on a global scale for the first time.
Of course, we need to go even farther and set even more ambitious renewable energy goals if we want to avoid the worst impacts of global warming. We echo the President’s optimism in a recently-published piece in Science Magazine that despite the uncertain energy policy of the incoming administration, the momentum of clean energy is “irreversible.”
So thank you, President Obama, for laying the foundation for the renewable energy boom. While much work is left to be done, you have helped chart a course for a 100 percent renewable energy future -- and it is crucial that the next administration embrace this path, for the sake of our kids and our grandkids."
So there's that.
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vbwpdb/the-climate-change-paper-so-
depressing-its-sending-people-to-therapy
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:It's inscrutable. The US has the 'capacity' to generate a rate of 75 gw wind power and 31 gw of solar. But how much power is actually generated? For that we'd need to know the total gigawatt HOURS generated in (for the sake of argument) a year.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
When President Obama took office in 2009, the U.S. had only 1.2 gigawatts (GW) of solar capacity and 25 GW of wind capacity installed. Since then, there’s nearly three times as much wind power (75 GW), and solar power has increased by an astonishing 2500% clip to 31 GW.
In 2018, the US generated 275 billion kwh of wind power and 63 billion kwh of solar electricity. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3 But in 2017 the US used a total of 97.7 QUADRILLION BTUs.
Or, converting that to billion kwh https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/energy/BTU_to_kWh.html 28,600 billion kwh.The US generated about 338 billion kwh in solar and wind energy, but used 28,600 billion kwh total. In other words, solar and wind electricity generation accounted for appx 1.7% of total energy use.
Wow. (I'm being ironic.)
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Just OOC I looked into the "deep adaptation" paper mentioned earlier (You can find a link to the paper itself here, I haven't been able to find a direct link yet)
http://www.scientistswarning.org/deep-adaptation-a-map-for-navigating-
climate-tragedy/
Curiously, it takes the same approach that I do: There will have to be a fundamental change in what we think is important, new set of ethics, and a whole new restructuring of our economies and societies if we are to adapt and survive.
Of course, REAVERBOT believes that survival isn't possible, and SECOND believes that change isn't posible, so these links aren't for them.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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In that same vein, this is the "hopium" we're being sold by NPR.
It's 2050 And This Is How We Stopped Climate Change
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/03/11/688876374/its-205
0-and-this-is-how-we-stopped-climate-change
This is dangerous, because it makes people think all their problems will be solved. They will not. Not only would acting fast enough and finding all the solutions needed to get to net 0 by 2050 be nearly impossible, it simply won't happen.
We have a president and an EPA that don't acknowledge that climate change is even a real thing. They say it's a hoax, along with about 1/4 of our population.
We've got a war to wage in Venezuela to keep control of the oil so we can stay the world's sole military empire. Priorities.
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I don't understand why you think this is Trump's problem.
Quote:Obama didn't even give it lip service. Or Clinton before Bush. Or Bush before Clinton. And so on. And our next president? What do you think she or he is going to do?
We have a president and an EPA that don't acknowledge that climate change is even a real thing. They say it's a hoax, along with about 1/4 of our population.
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Originally posted by rue:
I don't understand why you think this is Trump's problem.Quote:Obama didn't even give it lip service. Or Clinton before Bush. Or Bush before Clinton. And so on. And our next president? What do you think she or he is going to do?
We have a president and an EPA that don't acknowledge that climate change is even a real thing. They say it's a hoax, along with about 1/4 of our population.
Trump is simply an idiot. He denies climate science, and appointed a bunch of people from the fossil fuel industries who do too, and they're laying waste to what regulation there had been for it.
Even Bush admitted it was a problem, but did nothing to address it.
Bernie Sanders is all on board with a GND, but even if he gets elected, he's got staunch opposition on the other side.
If we had listened to him 30 years ago, we might have had time to stop it, but it's too late now.
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You'll be fine bro.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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No one will be fine. Everyone will be dead.
Might as well try to live on Mars.
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"Even Bush admitted it was a problem"
Which Bush was that?
That aside - it doesn't matter. Don't let yourself get bamboozled by mere talk. Neither political 'side' has done anything to change our course, because that would defy their masters.
When it comes to who's done more to represent their interests - I have to give it to conservatives, the petroleum industry, and the Koch brothers specifically. Many many decades ago conservatives created a bunch of well-funded think tanks to determine the debate. The petroleum industry has been waging this war over many decades. And the Kochs have put a substantial amount of money where their mouths are.
If you compare that to the democratic party, the liberal organizations like the Sierra Club, and uber-wealthy individual democrats ... well, it's clear why the action went one way. There just wasn't any fight in the environmental side. And the people you presume are the good guys - the democrats - failed like tissue paper in a storm.
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