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The Evidens

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6STRINGJOKER

Friday, July 7, 2017 4:13 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Trump is doing the political equivalent of this, and has been ever since Russian involvement with the hacking of the Democratic National Committee emails came to light and Trump said instead that it could have been a fat guy lying on his bed.

There is still no evidence that Russians hacked the emails.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 7, 2017 5:07 PM

Not only is there "no" evidence that Russia disseminated the DNC emails, there's pretty good evidence that they DIDN'T.

1) Julian Assange said it wasn't "Russians" who gave him the email files, but someone with legitimate access.

2) The email server itself STILL has not been turned over by the DNC to either the FBI or Robert Mueller. Why is that, Nancy?

3) The attribution to "Russia" was made by Crowdstrike, and private security firm with more "connections" to Hillary Clinton than Trump has to "Russia". Crowdstrike was funded by Dmitri Apelrovitch, who was funded by ant-Russian Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who was also a donor to Hillary Clinton's campaign.

4) Crowdstrike was the same firm who mis-attributed the Sony picture hack to N Korea.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-06/dnc-server-most-critical-evid
ence-proving-russian-hacking-being-withheld-mueller-why

5) Computer security experts (besides hubby) who are apparently more politically neutral have explained (on NPR, no less!) the difficulty in attributing anything to anybody. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61747

6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's.

This ongoing paranoia is incredible. A lot of people are going to feel really stupid.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SIGNYM

Friday, July 7, 2017 8:29 PM

Per the norm, GSTRING, when you have nothing on topic to say, you resort to personal attack. Inaccurate personal attack, at that. Tell me, son, how does it feel to be a reflexive troll?

First, please define "free press".

Second, please define "free speech".

Your lack of response will be demonstration that - as usual- you don't know what you're talking about. Literally. You use words that you can't explain, even to yourself.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SIGNYM

Friday, July 7, 2017 8:30 PM

BUMP

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not only is there "no" evidence that Russia disseminated the DNC emails, there's pretty good evidence that they DIDN'T.

1) Julian Assange said it wasn't "Russians" who gave him the email files, but someone with legitimate access.

2) The email server itself STILL has not been turned over by the DNC to either the FBI or Robert Mueller. Why is that, Nancy?

3) The attribution to "Russia" was made by Crowdstrike, and private security firm with more "connections" to Hillary Clinton than Trump has to "Russia". Crowdstrike was funded by Dmitri Apelrovitch, who was funded by ant-Russian Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who was also a donor to Hillary Clinton's campaign.

4) Crowdstrike was the same firm who mis-attributed the Sony picture hack to N Korea.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-06/dnc-server-most-critical-evid
ence-proving-russian-hacking-being-withheld-mueller-why

5) Computer security experts (besides hubby) who are apparently more politically neutral have explained (on NPR, no less!) the difficulty in attributing anything to anybody. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61747

6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's.

This ongoing paranoia is incredible. A lot of people are going to feel really stupid.

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

THGRRI

Friday, July 7, 2017 8:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump is doing the political equivalent of this, and has been ever since Russian involvement with the hacking of the Democratic National Committee emails came to light and Trump said instead that it could have been a fat guy lying on his bed.

There is still no evidence that Russians hacked the emails.

There's plenty of evidence Putin did it. There's also plenty of evidence you don't have a brain. Holy shit Jack. You are the dumbest person on these threads. Rappy's a close second and then a few nuts like JSF. It's rather sad seeing you're all so clueless as to how the world works. And should work. Why, because you're all ideologues. Far right nuts.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 7, 2017 8:45 PM

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There's plenty of evidence Putin did it.- THUGR

An entire thread has been wasted trying to dredge up "evidens" to that point. So far, batting zero.

But hey! Feel free to come up with something nobody has come up with yet: solid "evidens" that Russia changed the vote outcome.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

THGRRI

Friday, July 7, 2017 9:05 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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There's plenty of evidence Putin did it.- THUGR
An entire thread has been wasted trying to dredge up "evidens" to that point. So far, batting zero.

But hey! Feel free to come up with something nobody has come up with yet: solid "evidens" that Russia changed the vote outcome.

Lets be clear. Four American intelligence agencies gathered the evidence. The other 13 were then appraised of the intel. That's standard procedure. After reviewing it they were willing to sign off on it. The Director of National Intelligence then did so. They collectively found Putin guilty. That's good enough for me.

You being a Russian troll say there is no evidence despite this. You claim Americas' intelligence agencies findings are false. Why would anyone but a stupid, ( Jack ) give weight to your opinion? If you had any creditability here it waned years ago. Since my arrival you've been nothing more than an internet troll. Aside from climate change, there has been no honesty in your posts on any of the other topics you address. You're caught lying on a daily bases comrade. I have to believe that if you're such a mess here, you must be as much of a mess in your personal life as well. There's no way to separate your confused and false existence here from who you really are.

Don't think some of us here haven't noticed the subtle shift in your deflection. Now its not that Putin didn't hack and try to influence our elections. No, now it's he didn't influence the vote count. Eat shit comrade.

THGRRI

Friday, July 7, 2017 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Lets be clear. Four American intelligence agencies gathered the evidence. The other 13 were then appraised of the intel. That's standard procedure. After reviewing it they were willing to sign off on it. The Director of National Intelligence then did so. They collectively found Putin guilty. That's good enough for me.

You being a Russian troll say there is no evidence despite this. You claim Americas' intelligence agencies findings are false. Why would anyone but a stupid, ( Jack ) give weight to your opinion? If you had any creditability here it waned years ago. Since my arrival you've been nothing more than an internet troll. Aside from climate change, there has been no honesty in your posts on any of the other topics you address. You're caught lying on a daily bases comrade. I have to believe that if you're such a mess here, you must be as much of a mess in your personal life as well. There's no way to separate your confused and false existence here from who you really are.

Don't think some of us here haven't noticed the subtle shift in your deflection. Now its not that Putin didn't hack and try to influence our elections. No, now it's he didn't influence the vote count. Eat sh!t comrade.

Let's also notice that they jump on the "Russia DID NOT hack... the DNC as a way to deflect from them having to acknowledge they did hack the election, an obviously far more serious crime.

Not to mention the seriously laughable idea (seriously dishonest as well) that some scifi fans of FF are going to have some *genuine evidence* sitting around to point to. That's what professional lawyers and investigators are doing - like a couple dozen of them employing even more people taking even more than a few days to conclude.

But then again, it doesn't care.

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You, myself and some others here, have witnessed SIG and 1kiki shift their stance on many topics debated in these threads. They've done so out of necessity as more and more evidence appeared that proved them wrong. This is just another example of it. They never will however, admit the Russians guilty of anything. No matter what the topic.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 7, 2017 11:11 PM

G, let's recap this conversation, OK?

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6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's.- SIGNY

That's several easily observed lies, but do go on, please smear our free press as much as possible. Jealous perhaps? Pro-Russia, Anti-America much? - G

OK, WHICH PARTS are lies?

Did not CNN's Bonifield say that the "Russia" coverage "could be bullshit" ... that he hasn't seen "good enough evidence to show that the president committed a crime" and that CNN was pursuing the "Russia" story "for ratings! ... Because it's ratings. Our ratings are incredible right now. My boss, I shouldn't say this, my boss yesterday we were having a discussion about this dental shoot and he was like I just want you to know what we're up against here. Just to give you some context, President Trump pulled out of the climate accords. For a day and a half we covered the climate accords. And the CEO of CNN [Jeff Zucker] said in our internal meeting, he said good job everybody covering the climate accords, but we're done with it. Let's get back to Russia.

Did not Bonifield disavow journalistic integrity with this little gem? But all the nice cutesy little ethics that used to get talked about in journalism school, you're just like, that's adorable. That's adorable. This is a business.

Did not CNN's Van Jones call the Russia-Trump narrative "a big nothing burger"?

Don't the WaPo and NYT cover the same "nothing burger" stories as CNN? Have you been able to provide even ONE named source for all of this hyperventilation? No, of course not.

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Per the norm, GSTRING, when you have nothing on topic to say, you resort to personal attack. Inaccurate personal attack, at that. Tell me, son, how does it feel to be a reflexive troll?
First, please define "free press".
Second, please define "free speech".
Your lack of response will be demonstration that - as usual- you don't know what you're talking about. Literally. You use words that you can't explain, even to yourself.- SIGNY

Per the norm, you were lying

And now, we get top see your utter lack of comprehension about evidence and conversations.

If you REALLY thought I had lied, what you would have said was...

You lied when you said fill in the blank. What really happened was fill in the blank. So, where did I "lie"? Be specific.

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and I called you out.

No, you trolled.

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Sorry you're so thin skinned (just like your idol!).- G

You mean, you?

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If you are going to post in RWED you should maybe toughen up a bit or stop whining so much? This place use to be REALLY HARSH - I don't think you could have survived if my pointing our your "alternative facts" bother you so much.- G

Ive been here a lot longer than you, son, the difference between now and then is that we actually used to discuss the topics more, and we didn't have as many liars like you.

Now, please define "free press" and after that define "free speech". You use those phrases but you probably can't even explain them.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

SIGNYM

Friday, July 7, 2017 11:11 PM

G, let's recap this conversation, OK?

Quote:
6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's.- SIGNY

That's several easily observed lies, but do go on, please smear our free press as much as possible. Jealous perhaps? Pro-Russia, Anti-America much? - G

OK, WHICH PARTS are lies?

Did not CNN's Bonifield say that the "Russia" coverage

Quote:
could be bullshit"

... that he hasn't seen

Quote:
good enough evidence to show that the president committed a crime

and that CNN was pursuing the "Russia" story

Quote:
"for ratings! ... Because it's ratings. Our ratings are incredible right now. My boss, I shouldn't say this, my boss yesterday we were having a discussion about this dental shoot and he was like I just want you to know what we're up against here. Just to give you some context, President Trump pulled out of the climate accords. For a day and a half we covered the climate accords. And the CEO of CNN [Jeff Zucker] said in our internal meeting, he said good job everybody covering the climate accords, but we're done with it. Let's get back to Russia.

Did not Bonifield disavow journalistic integrity with this little gem?

Quote:
But all the nice cutesy little ethics that used to get talked about in journalism school, you're just like, that's adorable. That's adorable. This is a business.

Did not CNN's Van Jones call the Russia-Trump narrative

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"a big nothing burger"

?

Don't the WaPo and NYT cover the same "nothing burger" stories as CNN? Do ANY of these "newspapers" provided even ONE named source for all of this hyperventilation? No, of course not.

Quote:
Per the norm, GSTRING, when you have nothing on topic to say, you resort to personal attack. Inaccurate personal attack, at that. Tell me, son, how does it feel to be a reflexive troll?
First, please define "free press".
Second, please define "free speech".
Your lack of response will be demonstration that - as usual- you don't know what you're talking about. Literally. You use words that you can't explain, even to yourself.- SIGNY

Per the norm, you were lying- G

Per the norm, you were trolling. You seem to think that insulting people and accusing/ insinuating nefarious things about them constitutes some sort of on-point discussion.

So now, we get to see your utter lack of comprehension about evidence and conversations. If you REALLY thought I had lied, what you would have said was...
You lied when you said fill in the blank. What really happened was fill in the blank.
So, where did I "lie"? Be specific and stop bullshitting.

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and I called you out.

No, you trolled.

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Sorry you're so thin skinned (just like your idol!).- G

More gratuitous trolling

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If you are going to post in RWED you should maybe toughen up a bit or stop whining so much? This place use to be REALLY HARSH - I don't think you could have survived if my pointing our your "alternative facts" bother you so much.- G

Even more gratuitous trolling.

Stick to the topic, if you can.

And now, please define "free press" and after that define "free speech". You use those phrases but you probably can't even explain them.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one