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SECOND

Saturday, June 24, 2017 11:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, according to Mr Comey. one of the few "stories" that was NOT leaked to the press was that TRUMP WAS NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI FOR COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA, DESPITE NUMEROUS CLAIMS BY THE MSM TO THE CONTRARY.

I just thought that bore repeating.

And now, for other Trump-Russia fake news in the MSM

If the president had no tapes, why did he suggest otherwise? Did he seek to mislead the public? Was he trying to intimidate or silence James Comey? And if so, did he take other steps to discourage potential witnesses from speaking out?

American University law school professor William Yeomans, said, "I certainly think Trump's tape bluff contributes to the large, accumulating pile of circumstantial evidence that he intended to impede the Russia investigation."

Ohio State University law professor Joshua Dressier said that the tapes tweet might have been malicious adds to the "smell of the obstruction claim", but that's probably about it. "I don’t think this takes us much further than we already are."

People should keep in mind that not every foolish action by Trump is a federal crime.

Zeidenberg agreed that Trump's defense would probably be that he was merely trying to get Comey to tell the truth. "But my guess is that his lawyers are pulling their hair out because of statements like this,” Zeidenberg said. "He is dancing right up to the line, and just giving more ammunition to Mueller."

Indeed, Trump's lawyer may be the second most difficult job in Washington, behind being his spokesman. Trump's tapes ruse is problematic on both fronts — the legal one and the PR one.

“If I were making the argument for obstruction or impeachment, I would say that asserting a false statement that there are tapes — or, perhaps more accurately, hinting … that there are tapes that one knows is false — is an odd way to further justice,” Dressler said. “That makes defending Trump as innocent of obstruction more tenuous.”

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-could-trump%E2%80%99s-white-h
ouse-tapes-ruse-actually-get-him-in-legal-trouble/ar-BBD6HDI?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, June 25, 2017 2:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
If the president had no tapes, why did he suggest otherwise?

How come nobody is asking this question?

If Trump has tapes or is indeed lying about having tapes, who is afraid of them being released? What is on those tapes that would have silenced Comey or anybody else?

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 25, 2017 2:22 AM

Quote:
And yet NOW, TODAY - like NOT in the past - he is under investigation for collusion and for obstruction and for money laundering.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

SECOND, get a grip. Hinting that there might be "tapes" against which testimony might be compared... well, that only ensures honest testimony, doesn't it? I can't think of any other POSSIBLE effect, can you?

Think of the opposite ... lying under oath ... Now, THAT might be considered "obstruction". But as far as I can tell, anything that enhances honesty only makes the investigation better. Right?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND, get a grip. Hinting that there might be "tapes" against which testimony might be compared... well, that only ensures honest testimony, doesn't it? I can't think of any other POSSIBLE effect, can you?

Yup... That's pretty much the Occam's Razor to my question above.

Unless of course, second thinks that Trump has Comey on tape talking about grabbing pussy or something.

SECOND

Sunday, June 25, 2017 4:57 PM

www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-more-americans-believe-comey-
over-trump-n776006
21 percent say they believe neither of them, and 8 percent say they believe both of them.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/republicans-comey-is-a-liar/
Democrats and Republicans live in different worlds.

One of the great ironies of the political moment is that President Trump’s enemy has become, if not exactly an ally, an enabler of his agenda. For all of Trump’s griping about “fake news,” the mainstream media’s prevailing focus on White House scandals has come at the expense of substantive policy coverage, allowing Trump and the Republican Party to advance policies without the scrutiny they deserve.
www.commondreams.org/views/2017/06/20/trump-medias-malpractice-continu
es

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:36 PM

From a science blog entry "Higher-level causation exists"
www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3294

Unlikely events seem propelled by some supernatural force.

Like what events? I dunno, maybe a demagogue would take over the United States on a campaign based on willful cruelty, on digging up and burning dirty fuels just because and even if it made zero economic sense, just for the fun of sticking it to liberals, or because of the urgent need to save the US coal industry, which employs fewer people than Arby’s. Such a demagogue would have no chance of getting elected, you say?

So let’s suppose he’s up against a historically unpopular opponent. Let’s suppose that even then, he still loses the popular vote, but somehow ekes out an Electoral College win. Maybe he gets crucial help in winning the election from a hostile foreign power — and for some reason, pro-American nationalists are totally OK with that, even cheer it. Even then, we’d still probably need a string of additional absurd coincidences. Like, I dunno, maybe the demagogue’s opponent has an aide who used to be married to a guy who likes sending lewd photos to minors, and investigating that guy leads the FBI to some emails that ultimately turn out to mean nothing whatsoever, but that the media hyperventilate about precisely in time to cause just enough people to vote to bring the demagogue to power. Something like that.

In my view, these simply aren’t the sort of outcomes that you expect from atoms blindly interacting according to the laws of physics. These are, instead, the signatures of higher-level causation — and specifically, of a teleological force that operates in our universe.

Admittedly, I don’t claim to know the exact mechanism of the higher-level causation. Maybe, as the physicist Yakir Aharonov has advocated, our universe has not only a special, low-entropy initial state at the Big Bang, but also a “postselected final state,” toward which the outcomes of quantum measurements get mysteriously “pulled” — an effect that might show up in experiments as ever-so-slight deviations from the Born rule. And because of the postselected final state, even if the human race naïvely had only (say) a one-in-thousand chance of killing itself off, even if the paths to its destruction all involved some improbable absurdity, like an orange clown showing up from nowhere — nevertheless, the orange clown would show up. Alternatively, maybe the higher-level causation unfolds through subtle correlations in the universe’s initial state, along the lines I sketched in my 2013 essay The Ghost in the Quantum Turing Machine. Or maybe Erik Hoel is right after all, and it all comes down to normalization: if we looked at the uniform distribution over macrostates rather than over microstates, we’d discover that orange clowns destroying the world predominated. Whatever the details, though, I think it can no longer be doubted that we live, not in the coldly impersonal universe that physics posited for centuries, but instead in a tragicomical one.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:34 PM

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE BECOME DISCONNECTED FROM REALITY ....

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
From a science blog entry "Higher-level causation exists"
www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3294

Unlikely events seem propelled by some supernatural force.

Like what events? I dunno, maybe a demagogue would take over the United States on a campaign based on willful cruelty, on digging up and burning dirty fuels just because and even if it made zero economic sense, just for the fun of sticking it to liberals, or because of the urgent need to save the US coal industry, which employs fewer people than Arby’s. Such a demagogue would have no chance of getting elected, you say?

So let’s suppose he’s up against a historically unpopular opponent. Let’s suppose that even then, he still loses the popular vote, but somehow ekes out an Electoral College win. Maybe he gets crucial help in winning the election from a hostile foreign power — and for some reason, pro-American nationalists are totally OK with that, even cheer it. Even then, we’d still probably need a string of additional absurd coincidences. Like, I dunno, maybe the demagogue’s opponent has an aide who used to be married to a guy who likes sending lewd photos to minors, and investigating that guy leads the FBI to some emails that ultimately turn out to mean nothing whatsoever, but that the media hyperventilate about precisely in time to cause just enough people to vote to bring the demagogue to power. Something like that.

In my view, these simply aren’t the sort of outcomes that you expect from atoms blindly interacting according to the laws of physics. These are, instead, the signatures of higher-level causation — and specifically, of a teleological force that operates in our universe.

Admittedly, I don’t claim to know the exact mechanism of the higher-level causation. Maybe, as the physicist Yakir Aharonov has advocated, our universe has not only a special, low-entropy initial state at the Big Bang, but also a “postselected final state,” toward which the outcomes of quantum measurements get mysteriously “pulled” — an effect that might show up in experiments as ever-so-slight deviations from the Born rule. And because of the postselected final state, even if the human race naïvely had only (say) a one-in-thousand chance of killing itself off, even if the paths to its destruction all involved some improbable absurdity, like an orange clown showing up from nowhere — nevertheless, the orange clown would show up. Alternatively, maybe the higher-level causation unfolds through subtle correlations in the universe’s initial state, along the lines I sketched in my 2013 essay The Ghost in the Quantum Turing Machine. Or maybe Erik Hoel is right after all, and it all comes down to normalization: if we looked at the uniform distribution over macrostates rather than over microstates, we’d discover that orange clowns destroying the world predominated. Whatever the details, though, I think it can no longer be doubted that we live, not in the coldly impersonal universe that physics posited for centuries, but instead in a tragicomical one.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

6STRINGJOKER

Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
One of the great ironies of the political moment is that President Trump’s enemy has become, if not exactly an ally, an enabler of his agenda. For all of Trump’s griping about “fake news,” the mainstream media’s prevailing focus on White House scandals has come at the expense of substantive policy coverage, allowing Trump and the Republican Party to advance policies without the scrutiny they deserve.

I've said that at least a dozen times, in this forum alone.

Is it any wonder you spend 1 paragraph acknowledging this fact among literally thousands of paragraphs of relative bullshit you've quoted from the MSM in the last six months?

SECOND

Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE BECOME DISCONNECTED FROM REALITY ....

As you well know, Lincoln was a moderate, but Texans saw him as an extremist. The South whipped itself into a frenzy and preceded to kill Northerners, confident that soon all states would obey them. For a long while it looked like the South was right, but the war the Southerners started didn't end the way they were certain it would. Which side was more realistic? Take note that my ancestor was General Sherman, who was very familiar with the mentality of Southerners, having lived there, and what it would take to get them to realistically think about their intense opinions on slavery, the United States, war, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tecumseh_Sherman#Military_colleg
e_superintendent

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
One of the great ironies of the political moment is that President Trump’s enemy has become, if not exactly an ally, an enabler of his agenda. For all of Trump’s griping about “fake news,” the mainstream media’s prevailing focus on White House scandals has come at the expense of substantive policy coverage, allowing Trump and the Republican Party to advance policies without the scrutiny they deserve.

I've said that at least a dozen times, in this forum alone.

Is it any wonder you spend 1 paragraph acknowledging this fact among literally thousands of paragraphs of relative bullshit you've quoted from the MSM in the last six months?

So what do you think about Trump's Texas/Mexico Wall? A good idea? He has not backed down, at least as of June 22.
www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/politics/donald-trump-build-wall-mexico-second-
deadliest/index.html

I want Trump to build the wall because I'll make money from it; Republicans will stop whining about wanting it; it will be a tourist attraction; and when it doesn't stop illegals the Republicans might admit that Trump does not know what he is doing.

I also want Trump to repeal Obamacare, but with one HUGH change: it goes into effect immediately, not after the 2020 election. Trump's reelection chances need to be influenced by how well Trumpcare works.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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