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Tuesday, July 4, 2017 6:09 PM
Jerry Springer on Dignity.
Now I know that J0 is just trollin'.
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Thursday, July 6, 2017 5:36 PM
Quote:I predict you will have something belittling to say about David Petraeus.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wait! Wha...?
Jerry Springer and Captain Kirk are "evidence"? Or, as KIKI said, on page one "Jo, I'm still waiting for evidence.- KIKI"
During a national security panel last week, retired general David Petraeus offered what the panel's host labeled perhaps the most robust defense of the Trump administration's foreign policy yet.
Then Petraeus was asked about Trump personally, and things took a turn.
Political affairs scholar David Rothkopf asked Petraeus — after Petraeus argued that Trump had surrounded himself with a solid team that was instituting a measured, continuity-based foreign policy with plenty of successes — whether Trump himself was fit to serve as president.
Petraues's response was decidedly not “yes.” Instead, he said Trump's fitness for the office was actually “immaterial.”
I went back to the video to see if some context was missing from Rothkopf's op-ed. There isn't: It's as damning as it sounds. Here's a guy whom Trump considered nominating for secretary of state putting a pretty good face on the Trump administration — and then being unable to say whether the president is a mentally fit commander in chief.
The exchange is at
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/05/david-petraeuss-damn
ing-non-response-on-trumps-fitness-to-serve/
“I think it’s immaterial.” General Petraeus on Trump’s fitness to serve as president.
Petraeus would remove a fireteam leader if he thought the guy was mentally unstable. But the commander-in-chief? Meh. He’s got good people around him. They’ll keep him on a leash. Probably. This is a dance that many a Trump defender has been forced into — arguing that things aren't as bad with Trump as some would have you believe, and then punting when being asked to vouch for Trump personally. That is Evidence of Trump's behavior when he is not on camera and not being recorded in audio, which is the situation for 90% of a President's workday.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:15 PM
SECOND< can you please start a different thread about Trump's fitness for office? This thread - originally started by JO- was to show Trump's "collusion" with Russia.
No such evidence was ever revealed, and the thread has gone so far off-topic it's hard to tell what it's about anymore.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Thursday, July 6, 2017 9:33 PM
Quote:It is not off topic. The thread is about Trump and the Evidence he committed a crime. We can start with what goes on inside Trump's mind. He has given the World plenty of evidence for decades to form a Theory of Mind -- Trump version.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND< can you please start a different thread about Trump's fitness for office? This thread - originally started by JO- was to show Trump's "collusion" with Russia.
No such evidence was ever revealed, and the thread has gone so far off-topic it's hard to tell what it's about anymore.
Trump is unable to maintain an idea in his head for years at a time, such as the ideas that he is not suppose to cheat, lie, and defraud. It is criminal the way Trump forgets his "principles" when it is convenient for him. You went on-and-on all last year about the idea in your head and (according to you) Trump's head to bring better US/Russia relationship. Trump has forgotten that idea, like many other ideas that don't serve him personally. Today, Trump has called on Russia to stop "destabilising" Ukraine and other countries and end support for "hostile regimes" such as those in Syria and Iran. Speaking in the Polish capital Warsaw, Trump urged Russia to "join the community of responsible nations".
The Kremlin rejected his comments. I'd say Trump's speech is strong evidence that he is a cheating lying crook. Stealing an election or taking bribes or cheating on his taxes fits the Trump theory of mind perfectly. That is enough to keep Special Council Mueller digging into Trump's past.
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40522296
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Thursday, July 6, 2017 11:07 PM
Quote:TRANSLATION: SIGNY, I'm so butt-hurt from you handing my ass to me over and over that I'm going to misrepresent your polite request as you being a "control freak", and in doing so brilliantly demonstrate that I, myself, am a liar and a troll; which is why I never get anywhere in these threads: I just can't seem to post anything other than personal attacks.
SECOND< can you please start a different thread about Trump's fitness for office? This thread - originally started by JO- was to show Trump's "collusion" with Russia.
No such evidence was ever revealed, and the thread has gone so far off-topic it's hard to tell what it's about anymore. - SIGNY
Translation: "Second - it's not my thread but would you be a sport and do what I tell you? Imma control freak and can't handle not directing people around."- GSTRING
Help me, SIGNY! Save me from myself!
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Thursday, July 6, 2017 11:32 PM
Quote:OK, I'm just going to stop right here for a moment.
SECOND< can you please start a different thread about Trump's fitness for office? This thread - originally started by JO- was to show Trump's "collusion" with Russia.
No such evidence was ever revealed, and the thread has gone so far off-topic it's hard to tell what it's about anymore.- SIGNY
It is not off topic. The thread is about Trump and the Evidence he committed a crime. We can start with what goes on inside Trump's mind. He has given the World plenty of evidence for decades to form a Theory of Mind -- Trump version.
SECOND, what "goes on in someone's mind" IS NOT A CRIME. You're twisting the definition of "crime" to meet your undying grotch against Trump just as much (if not more) than JO stretching the definition of "evidence" to include stuff that wouldn't even meet the definition of "hearsay".
What is a crime? Well, when someone DOES something that breaks the law, that's a crime.
Quote:Not being able to maintain an idea for years .... or seconds ... is not a "crime". It may be attention deficit disorder, it may be a form of mania, but it is NOT A CRIME.
Trump is unable to maintain an idea in his head for years at a time, such as the ideas that he is not suppose to cheat, lie, and defraud. It is criminal the way Trump forgets his "principles" when it is convenient for him. You went on-and-on all last year about the idea in your head and (according to you) Trump's head to bring better US/Russia relationship. Trump has forgotten that idea, like many other ideas that don't serve him personally. Today, Trump has called on Russia to stop "destabilising" Ukraine and other countries and end support for "hostile regimes" such as those in Syria and Iran. Speaking in the Polish capital Warsaw, Trump urged Russia to "join the community of responsible nations".
If you think it is, tell us all, what statute or law was broken?
Trump's constant reversals on the promises that were important to me are disappointing, to be sure. And because of his lack of consistency, you can be sure that he and Putin will not be able to reach any kind of agreement at the G20, or afterward, which is a very dangerous place for all of us to be. The Russian government will think - rightly so- that Trump is "not agreement capable", either because he's so mentally squirrelly that he can't keep to an agreement, or because he's been so weakened by the deep state that even if he agreed on a course of action he would be kettled into reversing himself later.
By the way, the Russian government also said that Obama was not agreement capable so it's not just Trump.
Quote:Where is the evidence that ANY of these things happened??? There isn't any. You're just making shit up; like JO and GSTRING.
I'd say Trump's speech is strong evidence that he is a cheating lying crook. Stealing an election or taking bribes or cheating on his taxes fits the Trump theory of mind perfectly.
If Trump was a devious, cheating, lying crook that would be one thing, but at least we would know what to expect. I'm more concerned that Trump is such a "fluid" thinker ... i.e. cannot maintain a consistent POV in different contexts ... that he will unwittingly start down a path towards Armageddon. In Trump's previous world - real estate and reality TV- that kind of fluidity worked. It may have become the method to his madness. But that particular method doesn't work in international strategy, where you have to be a reliable partner.
Anyway, I hope you can see the distinction that I'm drawing. Trump is probably less of a crook than the Clintons; IMHO that's not the issue
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
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Thursday, July 6, 2017 11:40 PM
Quote:You're being yourself, Signym. There evidence why Trump is a world-class hazard: thanks to a program started by Bush, one that Obama did not stop, Trump has the capacity to fight and win a nuclear war by disarming enemies with a surprise first strike. He has talked about using it against North Korea. To have even mentioned nuking Kim publicly is evidence Trump has zero tactical knowledge. It is too late for him to say "Never mind. Only joking."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:TRANSLATION: SIGNY, I'm so butt-hurt from you handing my ass to me over and over that I'm going to misrepresent your polite request as you being a "control freak", and in doing so brilliantly demonstrate that I, myself, am a liar and a troll; which is why I never get anywhere in these thread: I just can't seem to post anything other than personal attacks.
SECOND< can you please start a different thread about Trump's fitness for office? This thread - originally started by JO- was to show Trump's "collusion" with Russia.
No such evidence was ever revealed, and the thread has gone so far off-topic it's hard to tell what it's about anymore. - SIGNY
Translation: "Second - it's not my thread but would you be a sport and do what I tell you? Imma control freak and can't handle not directing people around."- GSTRING
Help me!
http://thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-
strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578
Maybe I should make it plainer for Signym: Trump is begging Kim to ship an A-bomb up the Potomac for a 6 AM wakeup call while Trump is tweeting at the White House. Maybe Trump should move to Camp David, out of reach of Kim's ICBMs and submarines on suicide missions. That Trump should tweet to keep DC from being nuked by Kim.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Thursday, July 6, 2017 11:58 PM
Quote:I certainly hope so! But- what's your point?
You're being yourself, Signym.
Quote:Apparently, he does not. Russia has developed dead-man's switch nuclear capability.
There evidence why Trump is a world-class hazard: thanks to a program started by Bush, one that Obama did not stop, Trump has the capacity to fight and win a nuclear war by disarming enemies with a surprise first strike.- SECOND
So, why did Bush and Obama seek to abrogate the ABM treaty and pursue first-strike capability by moving NATO right up to Russia's border, if they themselves were not pathological psychopaths who were willing risk Armageddon in pursuit of global dominance? What kind of unbalanced person does THAT??
Quote:Instead of making things "plainer" you just went off into la-la land. I have no idea what you're saying.
Maybe I should make it plainer for Signym: Trump is begging Kim to ship an A-bomb up the Potomac for a 6 AM wakeup call while Trump is tweeting at the White House. Maybe Trump should move to Camp David, out of reach of Kim's ICBMs and submarines.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
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Friday, July 7, 2017 4:08 AM
Quote:The part that distinguishes you for many years is "you have no ideas" but you certainly do express yourself well. I'll give you an idea. Trump is playing life and death games with Kim and Putin who are both more serious than either bankers or stockholders or Trump U students who can only sue him. Trump can get himself murdered and hundreds of thousands killed along with him if he keeps acting the loudmouth playing to an audience of ignorant Signyms.
Instead of making things "plainer" you just went off into la-la land. I have no idea what you're saying. - Signym.
Getting back to "Evidence" about Trump: American law contains the concept of an accessory after the fact, a person who doesn’t participate in the commission of a felony but who nonetheless knowingly helps a person who has committed a felony to get away with it. Trump is doing the political equivalent of this, and has been ever since Russian involvement with the hacking of the Democratic National Committee emails came to light and Trump said instead that it could have been a fat guy lying on his bed. CNN’s Marshall Cohen has an exhaustive list of everything Trump has said about Russian hacking since the summer of 2016, and over and over again, the thrust of his remarks has been to call Russian culpability into question.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/6/15928782/trump-accessory-afte
r-the-fact
The relatively benign explanation for this is simply that Trump is uncomfortable with facts that he sees as being used to call the legitimacy of his election into question (less benign possibilities are also out there), but that hardly serves to exonerate him from being an "accessory after the fact". At best, he’s acting to help Russia get away with serious wrongdoing because admitting that an unsavory foreign power wanted him to win would make him look bad.
Today, Trump was again an "accessory after the fact", excusing Russian election interference right before our eyes.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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