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| Brenda: This an early morning test. Had something strange happen last night. So testing. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.22 21:47 | |||||||||
| Brenda: It was. But never underestimate the stubbornness of a Scotsman. Sir John A. MacDonald was going to get that railroad through no matter what. Government didn't have enough money at the time, so they had to go to wealthy businessmen to get the rest. There was also a lot of blasting to be done as well. Getting through the Laurentian Shield for one then through the Rockies. Huge amount of effort to get the CPR built across Canada. And again we come back to Riel. Railroad went through Metis and Cree lands. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.22 21:46 | |||||||||
| Brenda: No the Prairie provinces are over Montana and North Dakota. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.22 21:42 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: That would still be a huge amount of milage back in those days though when you consider the settling and building taking place. Not like hopping in a car and driving down the freeway from the east side of SD to the west side in 2025. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.22 00:48 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: I just looked, figuring that Reil's events probably took place much further east than Deadwood given the similar timeline, but that's not really much the case either. The Red River is essentially at the east side of South Dakota, while Deadwood is almost on the Western border of the state. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.22 00:47 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: That's what tripped me up... I figured expansion in Canada would have taken place after the expansion further south, so I was thinking these events would have taken place quite a bit later. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.22 00:45 | |||||||||
| Brenda: I've watched too many westerns in my time, which back when I was growing up didn't give you the full picture. "The Last Spike" was a mini series when I was in elementary school about the building of the CPR, the Canadian Pacific railroad and covered the Riel Rebellion. There is an official provincial holiday in Manitoba for him. Statues there as well. Yes, we do for sure. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.21 10:13 | |||||||||
| Brenda: It would have made a good Deadwood story. Sorry, I should have mentioned the years. This all took place between 1869 to 1885 when he was executed. Deadwood from looking up comes in around the same time, 1870s. The Canadian prairies were pretty sparsely populated before then. Ottawa was still in its infancy then, Sir John A. was the first Prime Minister of Canada. Also at this time Upper and Lower Canada had become just Canada at this time. That is also why the railroad was being built. Keep the Prairies as Canadian. A lot of cities and towns on the Prairies started out a trading posts. Places like Regina, Saskatoon, Calgary and other place. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.21 10:06 | |||||||||
6ixStringJack: I don't think I've ever watched anything like that. A show where the wars are over and the new governments have been established. The fighting is over, but the hate and pain and all of those base instincts just never go away. Time over generations can heal things, but for any of those men, women and children, on either side... could you imagine it? What that would be like, living that way in that time? ... ah shit... we sure take a lot of stuff for granted in the future, don't we Brenda. 
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| 6ixStringJack: Sounds like it all could make a good story like Deadwood. Although you've never said when this was all going down, I have to guess that it all took place quite a few years after the events in Deadwood took place. It seems like in Riel's story, even though the government was still in its infancy, it was already in the process of being officially established there and then by his 3rd election they were already a force and had just been continuing to grow. Where most of Deadwood was all before the government rolled in after letting everyone else do the hard work. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.21 07:37 | |||||||||
| Brenda: True in some ways. But with Sir John A's government wanting settlers to out to the Prairies. And the settlers wanted assurances that the government would keep them safe. Hence the formation of the RCMP, which was the first law West of Ontario and also the first military Canada had. After the third time Riel knew that the RCMP would be coming for him - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.20 09:49 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Yes, it was after the 3rd time he was elected. It always comes back to his involvement with the Red River Rebellion and the North-West Rebellion, which crossed from Manitoba to Saskatchewan and then into Alberta. They used these against him all three times. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.20 09:41 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: I guess the same way they did anything back then, right. Probably not too much different there than what we still do today. They've just got to be way better at hiding these things as time has gone on. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.20 05:18 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: But he would have been expelled after the 3rd election, right? How did they continue to block him for 2 full terms before he won the third time and went full-on threatening mode against him, I wonder. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.20 05:17 | |||||||||
| Brenda: His inability to take up his seat even though he signed the registry for Parliament, goes back to the Red River Uprising. The government I think was afraid that he could cause another uprising and this time not on the Prairies but in Quebec. This fear was because Quebec claimed him as one of their own and could lead them to taking up arms. So, he was expelled from Parliament and that was when he fled to the US. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.19 05:57 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: So how does that work? The Canadian Government can subvert the will of the people like that? He was elected 3 times but unable to serve? - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.18 23:51 | |||||||||
Brenda: Here's another interesting fact. M. Riel was in fact elected to Parliament 3 times but never allowed to take his seat for Manitoba. The reason being his involvement with the Red River Uprising. I admit I had to look up how many times he was elected. High school history was a long time ago. 
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| Brenda: Our senate unlike yours really doesn't hold any power. They are appointed by the Prime Minister or the Governor General to be there. Sometimes like with Riel's case both chambers had to agree before it could be announced to the public. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.17 09:58 | |||||||||
| Brenda: He did and any descendants he may have still. Well, it was done by a Resolution in Parliament. Which means that Parliament agreed that he was innocent after reviewing his case but they still needed the Senate to agree as well. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.17 09:55 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Looks like Riel got some justice after all. That's good. What do you mean that the Feds still have to do something though? - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.17 04:50 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Double post here and I don't know how I did it last night. Good grief! - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.17 04:42 | |||||||||
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Brenda: Little mistake the lawyers didn't do it. It was just Parliament and our Senate declared him innocent in1992. But still that is something for the Feds to do. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 10:06 |
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Brenda: Little mistake the lawyers didn't do it. It was just Parliament and our Senate declared him innocent in1992. But still that is something for the Feds to do. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 10:06 |
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Brenda: Just did a quick search and Riel's conviction was overturned by Parliament in 1992 and he is officially listed as the founder of Manitoba. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 10:05 |
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Brenda: French names get misspelled up here all the time. Especially out west. Mind, you wouldn't believe the mess I've seen out of my last name and it is Scottish. Scot is the proper word for someone from Scotland. I don't know how many times I've had to spell it and my dad went through the same routine. That gets old real quick. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 10:01 |
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Brenda: No worries. I'm doing some stuff for my book and I'm having trouble keeping track of my tenses.
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05.16 09:59
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| Brenda: It's over-turn in the lawyer world. In my mind and a lot of Metis and some whites don't think he should have been hung. All he wanted was to secure a place for his people along with the Cree and that broadened to other peoples. Good ideas and not that far a head of their time. Least they got to name the province, Manitoba. Which when looking it up is from the Cree word "Man-into-wahpaow. And that translates to "the narrows of the Great Spirit." Manitoba has a lot of lakes. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 09:57 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Talk about some one you should have his license pulled for those DUIs. That's horrible. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 09:46 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Ouch, sorry that your one buddy lost his job. That is rough when an employer won't cut you a break. You know they say. Money talks. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 09:45 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Riel* - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 09:13 | |||||||||
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6ixStringJack: Oh... in that 3rd post I was talking about Reil now. I just re-read it and it sounds like I was still talking about my friends and hoping they get expunged. whoops
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05.16 09:12
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6ixStringJack: Even though he's long gone, I hope they do what's right and expunge it or whatever needs to be done to restore his name. Without knowing anything about him before you mentioned him, I'll take it on good faith that he shouldn't have gone what he went through if you're saying that he shouldn't have. Hope your research proves fruitful.
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05.16 09:11
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| 6ixStringJack: He then went on to get two more DUIs without accidents and just paid those off too. It's really gross. He's paid more to get out of 3 DUI's than the cost of all my cars I've ever owned put together. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 09:08 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Yeah. My one buddy lost his license for a year and ended up losing his job too because he couldn't get the work exception quick enough. The other guy paid some sleazy lawyer with all the connections $5,000 and it was as if nothing happened. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 09:08 | |||||||||
| Brenda: As too your friends that sounds about right. That happens even up here. People with money and connections get off and the innocent get their lived ruined. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.16 04:35 | |||||||||
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Brenda: No, I don't think Riel would have made into schools in the US. Yeah, we were taught about both World Wars up here too and we got a little bit about Vietnam but not much as I remember. Well, in Riel's case the rich and powerful was the government so it basically means the same thing. There have been lawyers in the last 20years maybe trying to get his conviction overturned for the reasons, I stated. Ignoring their own treason laws and of course that he was Metis and an American citizen as well. I should look that up and see if they succeeded. Now, you just made me more curious.
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05.16 04:33
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| 6ixStringJack: Far less serious, I had two friends who got DUI's when I was around 22. One was just pulled over because of a broken tail light, and the other crashed his car into a parked car only 2 blocks from his parents house. The one who crashed the car was a Union Ironworker and had cash, the other who didn't wreck anything was broke. The broke guy had his life ruined for a year, and the one with money who wrecked 2 cars didn't even get a slap on the wrist. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.15 22:49 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: I don't remember Reil from school when I was a kid. I don't think they taught much history outside of America in class back then outside of WW's and Nam. But yeah, it doesn't sound like much has changed on the courtroom front for sure. If you're powerful and rich and you have the right friends, you can get away with pretty much everything. If you're not, good luck with that public defender in the worst setting imaginable. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.15 22:46 | |||||||||
| THG: Jack has been following me around starting shit. I posted here and saw the conversation as though it stopped. I posted what I just did as you were posting because I thought Jack was messing around. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.15 10:15 | |||||||||
| THG: What are you doing asshole. Reposting shit from before as though you own the thread. I've been the number poster here for years. I've only seen you when you've come here to cause shit with me. So fuck off. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.15 10:04 | |||||||||
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Brenda: And back then there was no one to put up a real fight about change of venue. Riel's lawyers I am sure did argue about moving it but with the Crown and the Federal government at the time. They didn't stand a chance. True again.
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05.15 09:45
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| Brenda: That is true and true about today with the watching. Yeah, the government did. For whites probably about half, that number would have been worse among First Nations and Metis. Metis were usually back then taught to read and write by priests in church settings. On the Prairies in Canada at that time, white settlers outside of their farms and such. Just wanted the railroad to get their goods to the markets in the east. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.15 09:43 | |||||||||
| Brenda: Canadian school children learn all about Louis Riel and the Rebellion, he led. It was a pivotal moment in Canadian history. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.15 09:38 | |||||||||
| THG: Microsoft Layoffs Hit Coders Hardest with AI Costs on the Rise. Not good - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.15 09:21 | |||||||||
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6ixStringJack: And sounds like they were up to the same old courtroom tricks all the way back then that they're up to today. Move the trial to wherever they can legally move it to that is most favorable for those who are currently in power. The more things change, huh?
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05.15 04:56
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| 6ixStringJack: Not surprised to hear they ignored one of their own laws about Treason. Today we got watchers watching watchers watching watchers that watch on down to low-level police. They just more or less did whatever they wanted to back then. I'll bet only half the population at most knew how to read, let alone really cared too much about government affairs as long as they were busy working nad paying bills and things weren't crashing down around them all the time. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.15 04:54 | |||||||||
| 6ixStringJack: Sounds more interesting than most things I've seen out of Hollywood and TV for a while. Sounds like you're really knowledgeable about it already too. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.15 04:54 | |||||||||
| Brenda: I did take a look and basically the Crown and Sir John A's government wanted Riel gone, so they ignored one of their own laws about treason. And he became and American citizen. Not sure how that happened as Metis had no more rights down there as in Canada at the time. Another thing the government ignored. As it was the trial had to be moved out of Winnipeg Manitoba to Regina Saskatchewan. They figured they couldn't get him convicted in Manitoba. Probably right. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.14 12:02 | |||||||||
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Brenda: You are quite correct about the lawyers for sure even back in the 1800s. And true about societal change. Not sure how many lawyers are practicing in Canada in this day and age. - http://www.fireflyfans.net 05.14 09:31 |
