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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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SECOND

Friday, October 28, 2022 9:48 PM

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Who told you "approx 5-8"? Be truthful, Signym.
That's my estimate, based on what I've heard from various sources, including Kiev.

It stands to reason that Kiev would be losing more soldiers. etc. etc.

I knew you made up numbers to make yourself feel good. I just wanted you to admit what you did.

(If "approx 5-8" is approximately true, Russia should declare victory today to convince the West it is being hoodwinked by Kiev's nefarious plans. Soon Russia's victory will be obvious to the world and Kiev was being devious about its defeat only to milk NATO for more weapons to resell on the black market.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, October 28, 2022 10:36 PM

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It is Kiev, not Russia, using "human waves". Bc Kiev doesn't have air superiority, artillery, missiles and hardly any tanks they have to rely on what they DO have: cannon fodder.

They have more Russian tanks that Russia does.

And they have something even greater that Russia will never have: they're fighting for their own land against an untrained, unmotivated army. Those army Ruskies would rather scrounge for toilets and go home.

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Kiev is losing approx 5-8 soldiers for every one of Russia's.

Then why would Putin call up 300,000 more troops if that was true? If you have the superior numbers you say, why not just hold tight and let them die in waves and declare victory?

I don't think I've ever encountered someone as delusional and clearly wrong as you are. Why keep at it? Does it hurt that much to see Russia flop so completely? What do they have to lose if they just declare victory, go home and open their roadside gas station of a country back up? How fast was this suppose to be over? 1 month? Where are we at now - 8, 9? I suppose they're stretching out the time it takes to defeat Ukraine so more of their soldiers can die...

SECOND

Friday, October 28, 2022 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:

I don't think I've ever encountered someone as delusional and clearly wrong as you are. Why keep at it? Does it hurt that much to see Russia flop so completely? What do they have to lose if they just declare victory, go home and open their roadside gas station of a country back up?

Tucker Carlson is a big cheerleader for Trump and Putin, as is Signym. If you find out why Carlson is as he is, you can infer Signym's motivation.

“Right now, one of the biggest cheerleaders for Russia is also the host of the number one show on Fox News.” - https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carlson-defends-putin-not-treason/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Friday, October 28, 2022 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Who told you "approx 5-8"? Be truthful, Signym.
That's my estimate, based on what I've heard from various sources, including Kiev.

It stands to reason that Kiev would be losing more soldiers. etc. etc.
I knew you made up numbers to make yourself feel good. I just wanted you to admit what you did.

(If "approx 5-8" is approximately true, Russia should declare victory today to convince the West it is being hoodwinked by Kiev's nefarious plans. Soon Russia's victory will be obvious to the world and Kiev was being devious about its defeat only to milk NATO for more weapons to resell on the black market.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

No, I didn't just "make it up".

About two months ago, a major British publication (I forget which, it may have been The Guardian) tried to estimate actual Russian deaths from funerals and cemetaries. The numer, as I recall, was about 6,000-8,000. That's about what Sergei Shoigu reported recently (almost 6000 deaths) That probably includes Chechens who do report to the Russian MoD, but not DPR or LPR militia which (until recently) were not part of the Russian fighting force. I'm sure that also doesn't include the Wagner Group (which is reportedy only about 10,000 so even if 50% KIA wouldn't bump up the total to the astronomic values "reported" by Kiev.)

Kiev's reports of Russian KIA are all over the map. So trash anything that refers to sources in Kiev because we have no idea HOW they come up with those numbers and why they vary so wildly.

Meanwhile, Kiev's estimates of it's own dead per day are also all over the map, and range from 100-600, depending on whether the narrative is "We're winning, so give us more" or "We're losing, so give us more".

But some intrepid western reporters who have gone to the front line report units under strength at only 20-50%. Russian reports estimate a pretty consistent 200 Ukrainians KIA per day lately (unless there is an offensive, then the numbers bump up) which is closer to Kiev's lower range. So even if those rates have held for only the last 4 months of the war that comes up to 24,000 KIA. Add maybe half that to account for the first three months of the war is 36,000 KIA. 36,000 v 6000. That's 6:1.

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In the Donbas region Russia is estimated to be firing 40,000–60,000 152mm shells per day. This compares to about 6,000 155mm shells per day being used by Ukraine.

Just on that basis alone, that's 6-10:1. Even if Russians were just terrible shots compared to Ukies, they would still have a numeric advantage.

Nobody is being truthful, so it's hard to say what the number is, but it makes MILITARY sense that Kiev, with its inferior weaponry and reliance on infantry, would be losing more soldiers ... a LOT more soldiers... than Russia.

Which is why Kiev resorted to assassination and sabotage, and hoped to play "false flag" with a dirty bomb.

And which is why the PENTAGON just pulled out the nuclear trump card.

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Pity would be no more,
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SIGNYM

Friday, October 28, 2022 11:27 PM

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I don't think I've ever encountered someone as delusional and clearly wrong as you are. Why keep at it? Does it hurt that much to see Russia flop so completely? What do they have to lose if they just declare victory, go home and open their roadside gas station of a country back up?
Tucker Carlson is a big cheerleader for Trump and Putin, as is Signym. If you find out why Carlson is as he is, you can infer Signym's motivation.

“Right now, one of the biggest cheerleaders for Russia is also the host of the number one show on Fox News.” - https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carlson-defends-putin-not-treason/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Accusing Someone You Disagree With Of Being A Russian Troll Is Admitting You Have No Argument
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I shouldn’t have to write this article. And yet, here we are...

I don’t care who you are or how much Palmer Report you read: accusing someone who disagrees with you of conducting psyops for a foreign government is never, ever a normal or acceptable way of conducting political discourse.

I tweeted the above yesterday after noticing another uptick in the bizarre habit establishment loyalists

You know who you are...

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have of labeling anyone who disagrees with them as Russian trolls. And, though I didn’t address it to her and made no mention of her, Louise Mensch took it personally.

This led to a deluge of fascinating interactions with Mensch’s followers, in which I was sincerely informed that Twitter has admitted to half of its users being Russian agents, though it is likely more. I was also called a Russian agent many, many times, because saying it’s not okay to accuse a stranger you disagree with of being a Russian agent is just the sort of thing a Russian agent would say.

Well, let me start off this weird, stupid article that I shouldn’t have to write by saying that I myself am not a Russian agent. I’ve never been to Russia, I have no ties to the Russian government, I rarely use sources in my articles that have ties to Russia, and to the best of my knowledge none of my patrons are Russian. I say this not because I feel a need to defend these foam-brained accusations but to point out that it is, in fact, very possible to disagree with the establishment Russia narrative without being incentivized to in rubles.

Political discourse between establishment loyalists and everyone else has been trampled to death by the gratuitous use of this obnoxious debate-avoiding tactic.

As well as shitting a gif into a thread before bailing. That's another tactic used frequently in these parts

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Everyone who publicly questions the MSNBC Russia narrative will be met with these accusations. Everyone who speaks about it with much of an online following will receive these accusations on a daily basis.

This is not normal.

And neither are the people who make these accusations

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Anti-Trumpists have been trained over the last year by people like Rachel Maddow, Louise Mensch, and the Palmer Report to believe that accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a Russian agent is a normal thing that sane people do, but they are wrong. It is a bizarre, obnoxious tactic, and when you use it, you are admitting that you have no argument.

The accusation would not be baseless. You should remind yourself what the USIC's official report said on the matter of Russian interference. — Louise Mensch (@LouiseMensch) November 27, 2017

Yes it would indeed be a baseless accusation, @LouiseMensch. You do not know who is and is not a Kremlin agent, and the odds that you are interacting with one are rare. If you have to resort to baseless accusations of Russian espionage, you are admitting you have no argument. — Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) November 27, 2017

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, October 28, 2022 11:33 PM

What's up Cap'n?

You ready for Democrats to get destroyed?

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

SIGNYM

Saturday, October 29, 2022 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What's up Cap'n?

You ready for Democrats to get destroyed?

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

he can't quite desert the sinking ship. But he's got one paw in the lifeboat.

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Pity would be no more,
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SECOND

Saturday, October 29, 2022 5:26 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

No, I didn't just "make it up".

About two months ago, a major British publication (I forget which, it may have been The Guardian) . . .

And which is why the PENTAGON just pulled out the nuclear trump card.

Then you proceed to make up more numbers. "(I forget which, it may have been The Guardian)"

By the way, the U.S. would never use nuclear weapons first against a country that had signed, and was in compliance with, the Non-Proliferation Treaty. This would still make first-use possible against Russia, China, or North Korea. It also provided some incentive for other adversaries not to go nuclear.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/10/biden-nuclear-weapons-iran
-north-korea-pentagon.html

The Russian Federation alone decided to block consensus on a final document at the conclusion of the Tenth Review Conference of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Russia did so in order to block language that merely acknowledged the grave radiological risk at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine.
https://www.state.gov/nuclear-non-proliferation-treaty-remains-strong-
despite-russian-obstructionism/

If Russia blows up Zaporizhzhia, the Pentagon could nuke a power plant close to Moscow. That is how it goes, Signym, despite your continuously misunderstanding excruciatingly simple concepts.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Saturday, October 29, 2022 5:30 PM

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Accusing Someone You Disagree With Of Being A Russian Troll Is Admitting You Have No Argument

Putin’s Play for the Western Right

At his annual conference with foreign international-affairs experts, Vladimir Putin ranted about cancel culture and gay-pride parades. He’s trying to unite the global right.

For nearly two decades, Russian President Vladimir Putin has held an annual event called the Valdai Discussion Club, named for the picturesque lake in Russia near where the first meeting took place in 2004. The star of the show, however, is always Putin, who gives a speech and then sits for questions.

This year, Putin tailored his message to appeal to right-wing forces in the United States and Europe. The Russian president has been pursuing his own version of “Unite the Right” for some time now, but at Valdai, he didn’t even bother with the pretense of speaking to diplomats and public intellectuals. Instead, he baited Westerners into arguing with one another about the culture wars instead of opposing his criminal war in Ukraine.

It’s not hard to spot the raw meat in his speech. “If the Western elites believe they can have their people and their societies embrace what I believe are strange and trendy ideas, like dozens of genders or gay-pride parades, so be it. Let them do as they please,” he fumed. “But they certainly have no right to tell others to follow in their steps.” Putin has been attacking gay and trans people in speeches for a while, but reprising his homophobic complaints at a place like Valdai is an indication that Putin is aiming for Western televisions, not an audience of international-affairs experts.

There was, of course, the usual Soviet-era hangover in Putin’s discussions with the audience, including how the “so-called West” is seeking global superiority over the rest of the world. (To add “so-called” is a way of indicating that he is really speaking mostly of the decadent United States and its friends.) But Putin returned to the themes he no doubt hopes will show up in the Western media, including “cancel culture”—which is not exactly a source of anxiety in wartime Russia these days, but is of great interest to Western rightists:

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And what is happening now? At one time, the Nazis reached the point of burning books, and now the Western “guardians of liberalism and progress” have reached the point of banning Dostoyevsky and Tchaikovsky. The so-called “cancel culture” and in reality—as we said many times—the real cancellation of culture is eradicating everything that is alive and creative and stifles free thought in all areas, be it economics, politics, or culture.

The mention of Dostoyevsky might be a reference to one Italian university that canceled and reinstated a course on the Russian author. And it’s true that while Putin’s forces are engaged in mass murder in Ukraine, some American orchestras have become skittish about playing the “1812 Overture,” which is a celebration of a Russian military victory. (The Boston Pops play it every summer at Tanglewood and on the Esplanade; this year, they decided to add the Ukrainian national anthem just before it.) This is not “canceling” Russian culture, and Putin knows it—but the accusation makes great material for Putin’s useful idiots outside of Russia.

And, of course, Putin exhibited his classic chutzpah, the insulting audacity the Russians would call naglost. “I am convinced that real democracy in a multipolar world,” Putin said, “is primarily about the ability of any nation—I emphasize—any society or any civilization to follow its own path and organize its own sociopolitical system.” The Soviets used to say this too, but it’s especially galling to hear it as Russian forces continue their quest to erase an entire nation.

There was much more, but for Americans, the most important point is that among the many ways Putin intends to pursue this disastrous war in Ukraine, he is staking at least some of his hopes on undermining unity in the United States and Europe. It’s not a bad

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, October 29, 2022 5:59 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
What's up Cap'n?

You ready for Democrats to get destroyed?

Why? Is it... hammer time?

Now that's funny.