Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Where Most Aid To Ukraine Comes From
(HINT: The American taxpayer)
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https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/28489.jpeg
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-a
nd-financial-aid-donors/
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Where Most Aid To Ukraine Comes From
(HINT: The American taxpayer)
click on link to see chart
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/28489.jpeg
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-a
nd-financial-aid-donors/
It's almost over.
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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus
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Quote:You are not different than one of Putin's or Trump's typical supporters. It is completely predictable that Putin supporters in Russia and Trump supporters in America will struggle to stay middle-class because they lack the attributes that they must have to prosper. Also predictable that they will blame everybody but themselves for their difficulties. In Russia, they blame America. In America, they blame Democrats. Wouldn't want them to blame themselves because that would be disheartening.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Let's see... America's 28 years v Russia's eight.
I'll bet, if you add up ALL of our invasions and nation-destruction since 1950 and compare it to Russia's, "We're number 1!"
I'll also bet that you'll delete this from your memory and contradict it some time in the next three posts.
Why Russia’s strategic defeat is in the cards
Alexander J. Motyl, Opinion Contributor
5-7 minutes
Bloomberg commentator Leonid Bershidsky recently argued that “a strategic Russian defeat” is a “wishful theory.” As Bershidsky argues:
“The flaw in the ‘strategic defeat’ logic is that, while Russia’s nuclear capability is seen as the joker in [Vladimir] Putin’s hand, there are no practical means for the West to render Russia small and pliant. To achieve the maximum goals, the West would need to ignore Putin’s nuclear leverage and put boots on the ground. Because, again in this perspective, unless Russia is similarly subjugated, it cannot be ‘de-Nazified’ the way Germany and Japan shed their imperialism thanks to decades of occupation, forced demilitarization and externally imposed political structures.”
Since the West will not engage Russia in a war, “any prospect for a new world order in which Russia becomes a meek, contrite, post-imperial state now rests on the shoulders of Ukrainians,” who may or may not win and, even if they do, “they have no interest in conquering and ‘de-Nazifying’ Russia: They just want their own country back, and they have a lot of rebuilding to do.” (Actually, many serious Ukrainians do believe that they will be safe from another war with Russia only if it is “de-Nazified.”)
The argument, while persuasive at first glance, is fatally flawed. Bershidsky ignores internal Russian developments and focuses only on what the West, and Ukraine, might do vis-à-vis Russia. The oversight is typical for scholars and analysts in the “neorealist” school of though; the University of Chicago’s John Mearsheimer is perhaps the most prominent example.
Naturally, if one takes Russia as strong and stable and pretty much impermeable to outside influence, then it easily follows that Russia will be able to resist Western attempts to defeat it strategically. To be sure, the embarrassingly poor performance of the Russian armed forces — despite general Western expectations that the second most powerful army in the world would overrun Ukraine in a few days — might have given supporters of this view pause. After all, the army’s sad state was a product not of Western influence but of domestic Russian corruption and inefficiency.
The reality is that Russia — as a state and as a regime — is profoundly weak. The economy, one of the world’s least impressive performers, is in a tailspin. The much-vaunted army has proven to be a paper tiger. The society is increasingly dissatisfied with declining living conditions, growing numbers of body bags, and the regime’s indifference to the fact that at least 65,000 Russian soldiers reportedly have died and at least as many are out of commission. Up to a million men have fled mobilization and certain death in Ukraine. Generals and secret policemen are at each other’s throats, hoping to shift the blame for the disastrous war from themselves.
Political and economic elites are also unhappy with the current state of affairs and talk of alternatives to Putin’s leadership has become commonplace. Putin, the linchpin of the state and regime, is manifestly weak and his legitimacy is
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You are not different than one of Putin's or Trump's typical supporters. It is completely predictable that Putin supporters in Russia and Trump supporters in America will struggle to stay middle-class because they lack the attributes that they must have to prosper. Also predictable that they will blame everybody but themselves for their difficulties. In Russia, they blame America. In America, they blame Democrats. Wouldn't want them to blame themselves because that would be disheartening.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Let's see... America's 28 years v Russia's eight.
I'll bet, if you add up ALL of our invasions and nation-destruction since 1950 and compare it to Russia's, "We're number 1!"
I'll also bet that you'll delete this from your memory and contradict it some time in the next three posts.
We literally have years worth of posts in the RWED showing that this paragraph that you just wrote is equal and opposite from the truth.
Get fucked, idiot.
You're done. Democrats are done. Ukraine is done.
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Quote:Wow. you're so compulsive I predict what you're going to do and you STILL do it anyway!
Originally posted by second:Quote:You are not different than one of Putin's or Trump's typical supporters.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Let's see... America's 28 years v Russia's eight.
I'll bet, if you add up ALL of our invasions and nation-destruction since 1950 and compare it to Russia's, "We're number 1!"
I'll also bet that you'll delete this from your memory and contradict it some time in the next three posts.
I was just using the article that YOU posted, SECOND, whuch makes my point about US not remembering the costs of aggression.
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Quote:Remember the Vietnam War? The US Army fought in the most goddamn stupid way imaginable, but I don't recall anybody pointing out the stupidity of it all. They were instead concerned with loss of life, the immorality of it, the cost, the suffering, democracy, communism, everything other than the main characteristic. They should have just looked only at the stupidity of it. The US Army was the stupidest thing I've seen in a long life and international career in construction. But Russian Army of 2022 might be just as stupid as the US Army of the 70's. I haven't seen the Russians up close and personal to know.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow. you're so compulsive I predict what you're going to do and you STILL do it anyway!
I was just using the article that YOU posted, SECOND, whuch makes my point about US not remembering the costs of aggression.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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A guest on Russian state TV has said in a rare admission that Russia "miscalculated its strength" when President Vladimir Putin invaded neighboring Ukraine in February.
The comments came from Victor Olevich, lead expert at the Center for Actual Politics, during a segment of the program Myesta Vstrechi (The Meeting Place), after host Andrey Norkin asked him to weigh in on Russia's claims that Kyiv is preparing to use a "dirty bomb" in Ukraine.
"Here is approximately how this all looks," responded Olevich. "Russia initiated a special military operation, miscalculated its strength, and for eight straight months can't win."
Olevich added that at the same time, Russian officials are "complaining and getting upset" that Moscow's opponents, "the same countries who want to neutralize Russia, to dismember and destroy it" don't believe and support Russia, and "aren't listening."
Norkin appeared to be taken aback at Olevich's assessment of the conflict, and said: "We aren't complaining, we're outraged, I would say."
"We can be outraged and angry until we turn blue, but it will in no way solve our problems," Olevich hit back.
The state TV host asked the expert again if he believes Russia can "prevent a nuclear provocation."
"The best way to prevent any provocation is to expose it and not only in telephone conversations with some foreign leaders, especially with leaders of adversary countries. But if there is real information, real evidence, as to where this dirty bomb is located, where are they planning to use it? Where are the documents? Show the documents — these provocations don't happen without orders," challenged Olevich. He added: "If Russia's military intelligence has all this data, it's time to reveal it."
The West has rejected Russia's "dirty bomb" claims as false. "The world would see through any attempt to use this allegation as a pretext for escalation," the foreign ministers of France, Britain and the U.S. said in a joint-statement.
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-ukraine-war-dirty-bomb-putin
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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This letter to Biden from some members of the progressive caucus is a big mistake, assuming the progressives want to save lives and prevent a genocidal Russian takeover of Ukraine.
https://progressives.house.gov/_cache/files/5/5/5523c5cc-4028-4c46-8ee
1-b56c7101c764/B7B3674EFB12D933EA4A2B97C7405DD4.10-24-22-cpc-letter-for-diplomacy-on-russia-ukraine-conflict.pdf
Putin is losing his war and may lose his grip on power and his life; his strategy is to drag the war out and hope that a cold winter in Europe and (especially) a Republican victory in the United States mid-term election reduces support for Ukraine while he rebuilds his battered army. He is also trying to deter weapons deliveries to Ukraine by threatening nuclear escalation.
If Putin wanted to negotiate in good faith it would not be hard for him to find willing partners, including the United States. The problem is that he does not have much reason to negotiate; at most he will agree to a cease-fire to buy time to rebuild his army and consolidate his territorial gains. This would be unacceptable to Ukraine and should be unacceptable to us, given the genocide that would follow and the precedent that would be set. On the other hand, why would Putin agree to withdraw his troops prior to negotiations?
In this context the progressive letter is counterproductive because it signals a lack of resolve. It suggests that Americans are getting tired of the war. Having the United States push Ukraine to settle rather than sending them weapons is Putin’s only path to an outcome that is not a clear defeat.
The better approach is to authorize substantial economic and military aid to Ukraine during the lame-duck session of Congress. Given Biden’s commitment to Ukraine, this will signal U.S. resolve to Putin. The biggest threat to Ukraine for months has been the pro-Putin faction of the Republican party. So far support for the war has remained relatively bipartisan but this could easily change.
My theory of the case: the revolution devours its parents
I think the congressional progressives know everything I just said. My theory is that they are pandering to the utopian blame-America-first segment of the democratic base. This is the problem with utopian know-it-all politics of the Jacobin sort. It sets up unrealistic expectations and creates an electorate that can never be satisfied. Couple that with our two-party political system and open primaries and even solid progressives need to worry about being outflanked on the “left”.
Much more at https://angrybearblog.com/2022/10/how-does-the-war-in-ukraine-end-2
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Genocidal talk on Russian state media
A couple of days ago a speaker on Russian state television went on a pro-genocide rant. (If you haven’t seen the clip, it’s worth taking a look.)
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1584054018145685504
The segment was translated by Julia Davis and went viral; it was so bad that the speaker has apparently been fired. But the genocidal talk on Russian television continues.
This is worrying on multiple levels. It no doubt encourages war crimes by the Russian army. It may box Putin in and make a negotiated settlement more difficult. Even worse, it may reflect or influence Putin’s actual beliefs. If this is true, the risk of a purely vindictive nuclear attack on Ukraine by a humiliated Putin/Russia rises. If you hate Ukrainians, and you are going to lose, why not take them down with you?
https://angrybearblog.com/2022/10/how-does-the-war-in-ukraine-end-2
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:The stupidest wars are the ones you should never be in.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Remember the Vietnam War? The US Army fought in the most goddamn stupid way imaginable, but I don't recall anybody pointing out the stupidity of it all. They were instead concerned with loss of life, the immorality of it, the cost, the suffering, democracy, communism, everything other than the main characteristic. They should have just looked only at the stupidity of it. The US Army was the stupidest thing I've seen in a long life and international career in construction. But Russian Army of 2022 might be just as stupid as the US Army of the 70's. I haven't seen the Russians up close and personal to know.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow. you're so compulsive I predict what you're going to do and you STILL do it anyway!
I was just using the article that YOU posted, SECOND, whuch makes my point about US not remembering the costs of aggression.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
One thing the nuns in grammar schoool drilled into us was world geography and resources. What did Vietnam have that we needed so much?
Tin?
Like, there are no other sources of tin in the world?
What did all of SE Asia have?
The whole region could have "gone communist" and it wouldn't have affected ... well, anything. Not even shipping.
For a long time, we fought or funded and armed pointless genocidal wars in faraway places under the banner of "anti-Communism", where all we did was replace socialist reformers with military dicatorships and what did WE get out of it?
After that, the banner was "Global War on Terror", where we enaged in terror to ostensibly fight terrorism.
More stupidity,
After that was "Responsibity to Protect", where we destroyed entire regions under the guise of "freedom".
Even MORE stupidity!
Now, it's just sheer Russophobia.
Do I need to spell out how stupid THAT is?
In all of those wars and regime changes since WWII I can only think of a few where we benefitted or potentially could have benefitted:
Chile: THE source of copper at the time.
Panama: We couldn't let Noriega control this major shipping point.
Iraq: We MIGHT have gotten hold of the oil, but we didn't. We also temporarily protected the petrodollar.
Libya: we protected the petrodollar by preventing Qaddafi from setting up a gold-based African dinar. And SOMEbody stole all of that gold. France, maybe.
Everything else, from Indonesia to Nicaragua (and every nation in central and south America) to Afghanistan (and most of the ME) to Vietnam (and neighboring Cambodia and Laos, secretly) to Somalia (and anyplace in Africa) .... the only ones benefitting were the military-industrial-Congressional complex.
In practical terms, we - the USA- got nothing from it.
Now THAT'S stupid.
I predict you will forget you ever posted about our stupid wars and go back to thumping for MOAR STUPID WARS.
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Pity would be no more,
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