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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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SECOND

Wednesday, October 26, 2022 5:35 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND specializes in false narratives.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Signym, is theft a reliable way to supply a major component to the factory building Russian weaponry? Any opinions?

Rotax Engine Found In Iranian Mohajer-6 Drone Downed Over Ukraine

Reports of Austrian Rotax engines being used in Iranian drones aren’t new, but hard proof they are being used in those acquired by Russia is.

by Emma Helfrich | PUBLISHED Oct 24, 2022 9:53 PM

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/rotax-engine-found-in-iranian-mo
hajer-6-drone-downed-over-ukraine

Same Type Of Rotax Engines Used In Iranian Drones Targeted In Bizarre Theft Wave

After Ukraine displayed an Iranian drone with a Rotax 912 motor, the global targeting of those engines by criminals is even more intriguing.

by Howard Altman | PUBLISHED Oct 25, 2022 6:21 PM

The Austrian-made Rotax light aircraft engine recently found in a Russian-operated, Iranian-made Mohajar-6 drone recovered by Ukrainian forces is a model that has been at the center of a puzzling and prolonged theft campaign around the globe, but especially in Europe. Sophisticated criminals who know how to circumvent airport security measures and find engines that often have low operating hours and surgically remove them have been the hallmark of the widespread thefts.

So many have been stolen just in the U.K. alone that Operation Opal - a national intelligence team focused on organized crime - was called in to investigate the matter, according to the British Microlight Aircraft Association (BMAA), which along with the Light Aircraft Association (LAA) is collating information about the thefts in the U.K. These facts certainly point to the possibility that Tehran has been getting at least some of its drone engines by having operatives systemically literally rip them out of aircraft in foreign countries.

“Over the years, many Rotax engines have been stolen from light aircraft in the UK,” Jerry Parr, LAA’s head of airworthiness told The War Zone Tuesday in an email. “To the best of my knowledge, there has never been any proof as to where the engines end up or for what purpose.”

Investigators in Norway are also looking into what is being considered sophisticated thefts of Rotax 912 engines.

Ukrainian authorities recently discovered a Rotax 912 four-stroke piston engine in an Iranian Mohajer-6 medium-altitude, long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicle downed over the Black Sea earlier this month. You can read much more about that here.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/bizarre-theft-wave-targets-same-
rotax-engines-used-in-iranian-drones

When Iran has no more stolen aircraft engines, Russia will have no more drones in Ukraine.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, October 26, 2022 6:13 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND specializes in false narratives.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Russia might have to pay for what it has done, if the EU's lawyers decide it is legal.

Raid Russia’s ‘huge pot of gold’? Europe grapples over confiscating frozen assets to pay for rebuilding Ukraine

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SECOND

Wednesday, October 26, 2022 7:41 PM

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Germany does NOT want Russia to pay for the damage it does to Ukraine because Germany does NOT want to fully pay for the damage it did during WWII. Germans are a forgetful people. Forgetfulness is why Germans followed Hitler down the toilet. When what Hitler predicted previously did not happen, Germans only remembered Hitler's most recent glowing rhetoric. Putin has that same relationship with his followers because they don't remember the past so well, but are easily conned by glowing rhetoric in the present. Trump and his Trumptards have the same memory problems which Trump solves with the same glowing rhetoric as Putin would use. Trump kept a copy of Hitler's glowing speeches on his bedside table.
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kep
t-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

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Ivana Trump told a friend that her husband's cousin, John Walter "clicks his heels and says, 'Heil Hitler," when visiting Trump's office.

Holocaust Restitution: German Reparations -- Israeli Lawyers persisted until Germans had a slight inkling that they owed somebody for something that Germans had forgot all about.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/german-holocaust-reparations

Under the agreement, West Germany undertook to pay a total of $845 million: $100 million earmarked for allocation by the Claims Conference and the remainder to Israel. Direct compensation would be paid in annual installments over a period of 14 years (between April 1, 1953, and March 31, 1966). The money to Israel was split - 30 percent was to pay for Israel’s crude oil purchases in the United Kingdom and with the balance of 70 percent Israel was to buy ferrous and nonferrous metals, steel, chemical, industrial, and agricultural products from Germany.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, October 26, 2022 7:55 PM

There's like 5 Ukraine flags left up on Twitter on October 26th of 2022.

Nobody gives a shit. Nobody ever really did. They've all moved on.

You and Ted are alone.

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SECOND

Wednesday, October 26, 2022 9:42 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's like 5 Ukraine flags left up on Twitter on October 26th of 2022.

Nobody gives a shit. Nobody ever really did. They've all moved on.

You and Ted are alone.

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Ukrainians know that Russians will kill them and steal their land. Russians have stolen other lands, starting before WWII, but the Russians lost what was stolen when the Soviet Union fell apart. People who aren't as stupid as 6ixStringJack know that Putin is planning on stealing the same lands a second time and killing the people living there. That simple plan worked for Stalin and Putin believes it can work for himself:

History Stokes Putin’s Dream of a ‘Greater Russia’

Putin published “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians,” an essay that denies the historical reality of any Ukrainian statehood separate from a greater Russia.

These imperial ideas are of course not new. They were originally propagated by Russia’s ruling elite and intelligentsia in the 19th century, and Putin revived them privately among his inner circle as early as his coming to power. Since then, these concepts have gained popularity across the political spectrum.

https://newlinesmag.com/argument/history-stokes-putins-dream-of-a-grea
ter-russia/

Putin built the Poseidon Nuclear Torpedo because he won't stop stealing land at the old borders of the Soviet Union. Putin will go beyond the piddling small dreams of Joseph Stalin all the way to America.

What is Russia's Poseidon nuclear torpedo drone, and can it cause a nuclear tsunami?
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-718938

Is Russia About to Launch Its Nuclear ‘Apocalypse’ Torpedo?
https://web.archive.org/web/20221022060930/https://www.popularmechanic
s.com/military/weapons/a37093942/russia-test-nuclear-apocalypse-torpedo-poseidon/

Poseidon Intercontinental Nuclear-Powered Nuclear-Armed Autonomous Torpedo drawing:
https://web.archive.org/web/20221021011934im_/https://hips.hearstapps.
com/hmg-prod/images/ru-poseidon-updatedfeb2019-2100x1100-1664999005.jpeg

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 26, 2022 10:29 PM

I see SECOND is splattering the board with yet MORE false narratives.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Thursday, October 27, 2022 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I see SECOND is splattering the board with yet MORE false narratives.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

How about this narrative? The invasion of Ukraine is driven by an imperial nostalgia that haunts Russia’s elite classes and those who remember the Soviet Union. But the majority of the population is basically an exhausted people. They just want to go on with their lives. The imperial vision is working with an older generation in Russia. But younger people are not buying it.

Ultimately, Putin’s Russia refuses to properly define itself as a modern nation. Its current identity relies on historical claims on lands that lie outside Russia’s borders. One of Putin’s (and Russia’s) greatest lies is to speak of the former empire as if it was the Russian national state. But Ukraine only threatens Russian imperial control, not Russians.

https://newlinesmag.com/argument/history-stokes-putins-dream-of-a-grea
ter-russia/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, October 27, 2022 2:21 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I see SECOND is splattering the board with yet MORE false narratives.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

How about this narrative?

Any narrative that you are in agreement with isn't worth the time to read, let alone debate.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, October 27, 2022 7:06 AM

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Why Ukraine is always winning the war
October 25, 2022

by Ramin Mazaheri for the Saker blog

In the United States media editorial policy has not wavered on one subject this year: Ukraine is always winning the war.

From the first week, when the Ukrainian air force and navy were smashed, to last week’s smashing of the electrical grid – this is what “victory” looks like in the Ukrainian language, apparently. The Russians can electorally incorporate territory after territory, but to suggest that Ukrainian victory hasn’t already arrived is verboten in American public spaces.

What is the point of reading American coverage of the unrest in Ukraine when it’s so very absurd?

The point is: to learn what America is thinking, of course. If it’s deluded then – like it or not – that’s the story, and the story always writes itself in honest journalism.

I was talking with a Polish cab driver whom I found extremely intelligent, and not only because he has an Iranian brother-in-law and thus knew and respected Iranian culture. This longtime immigrant cabbie was very pro-Ukraine and anti-Russian, which is his right and not unexpected, and he was a typical Pole in that he was ardently pro-American. However, he volunteered to me that he found Americans to be the most effectively propagandised people in the world – he said they, invariably, merely mouthed whatever they heard on TV news.

It is one thing to dismiss the criticism of your enemies, but the criticisms of your friends merit some refection.

[Winning] is happy news for Americans to talk about, after all: “Hey, did you hear? The Ukrainians are winning the war! Still!” However, it is my role in the US to be a wet blanket whenever discussions turn political, I lament.

When the subject of Ukraine comes up I start with the fact that I have lived in France for over the past decade and – because France is usually at the heart of European diplomacy – I have been reporting on the Ukraine unrest since 2014. At the mention of the idea that Ukraine existed before February 2022 a glaze goes over their eyes.

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The US was always winning the war in Iraq, as well. Shock and awe prevailed from start to finish, with the finish being a total shock at how few positives the US-led war created for either the Iraqis or the Americans. The indisputable fact of the American victory, however: totally awesome, of course.

The Balkanised disaster which is Libya? Another victory. Assad still standing in Syria? Still a victory, though don’t ask for explanations. Cold wars in Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Nicaragua and any other revolutionary country? Victory is so close the US media can see it, they insist.

These foolish political mis-notions cannot be blamed on the average American: all these places are so far away and so far removed from the totally precarious daily rat race/shooting gallery which is American life, and the information they can find is so incredibly one-sided.

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The crime committed by the average American is neither malice nor negligence but the fault of naiveté – their expectation that a media dominated by private and not public ownership will ever consistently produce journalism which benefits the people and not the rich owners Call it Western Liberal Democracy or the American Way or neoliberalism: history shows that it has always failed, is failing and will only fail for the 99%.

The US media and politicians know which levers to pull to produce naiveté: note how it’s always the “Ukrainian people” against “Putin” – there are no Russian people. Putin, of course, is not an actual person either – he’s a monster.

Which side could a busy soccer mom possibly be expected to take, especially when trying to have pleasant chit-chat with other busy soccer moms? Why, the only American thing to do is to buy that $25 pro-Ukraine scented candle and display it proudly for others to envy….

In the United Stat

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SECOND

Thursday, October 27, 2022 7:57 AM

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Why Ukraine is always winning the war

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The secret is that Russia is ALWAYS WINNING despite the superficial appearance it is losing:

Abandoned Russian base holds secrets of retreat in Ukraine

Reuters reports:

The Russian soldiers had fled weeks before. But they left their traces everywhere.

Concrete steps led into the basement of their hastily abandoned headquarters in this small riverside town in eastern Ukraine. A bunker smelling of damp lay behind a steel door marked “Command Group.” Papers, some charred, were stuffed into a furnace. Others were scattered across the floor.

In a floral notebook, an unnamed staff officer left a sketch of a cartoon soldier and mused about going home. The book’s 91 handwritten pages contained other information, too: coordinates of Russian intelligence units, records of calls from commanders, details of battles, men killed and equipment destroyed. And accounts of a breakdown in morale and discipline.

In all, the bunker yielded thousands of pages of documents. Reuters reviewed more than a thousand of them. They detail the inner workings of the Russian military and shed new light on events leading up to one of President Vladimir Putin’s most stinging battlefield defeats: Russia’s chaotic retreat from Ukraine’s northeast in September.

In the weeks before that defeat, Russian forces were struggling with surveillance and electronic warfare. They were using off-the-shelf drones flown by barely trained soldiers. Their equipment for jamming Ukrainian communications was often out of action. By the end of August, the documents show, the force was depleted, hit by death, desertions and combat stress. Two units – accounting for about a sixth of the total force – were operating at 20% of their full strength.

The documents also reveal the increasing effectiveness of Ukraine’s forces and offer clues to how the eight-month-old war might unfold, with Russia now under intense pressure on the southern front around the Black Sea coast. In the weeks before their retreat, Russian forces around Balakliia, a town 90 kilometres south of Kharkiv, came under heavy bombardment from HIMARS rocket launchers, recently supplied by the United States. The precision missiles repeatedly hit command posts.

More at https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-rus
sia-base/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two