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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Sunday, October 30, 2022 6:00 PM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You really and truly do NOT understand the concept of angry poor white trash and its connection to struggling with staying in the middle class.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
yes,somehow SECOND managed to overlook the Pelosi's very public drunken escapades.
This isn't a concept. This is just another half of many ideas that are in direct conflict with the other half of ideas you have in that tiny little brain of yours. You're a walking hypocrisy factory.
One post you're blaming corporations for making people poor, then 2 minutes later you're blaming poor people for making themselves poor.
There IS truth to both of these concepts, but because you speak only in absolutes whenever you open your mouth, your ideas are always in direct conflict with one another.
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I first saw that concept in action when I was a little kid. My whole extended family was angry poor white trash in East Texas. At the time, they all believed they were good Christians and doing great, prospering in America, but looking back from 2022, they were not prospering. This was around 1962, when the Jehovah's Witnesses first came knocking at my parents' door.
Who the fuck are you to be labeling them poor white trash? If they were happy and believed they were doing great, why would you take that away from them?
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The Witnesses are truly opposed to the 7 deadly sins - lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy and pride - which was exactly what was holding back all my relatives. My parents switched religions and they slowly became more prosperous because they actually avoided the sins, unlike their lying hypocritical relatives who were no more Christian than I am. My parents kept working at Burger King, but life got much smoother for them and their children. My father died a millionaire. My mother died a multi-millionaire. Her two daughters, a teacher and a nurse, in very middle class occupations, are far richer than our parents were. The whole family is still Jehovah's Witnesses, except for me.
Nobody believes that your family was rich or that you are rich.
And nobody successfully avoids sins either. Not your parents. Not your sister. Not you.
You know the true character of a man when you see what he does when nobody is looking.
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What has happened to my angry poor white trash relatives over the 60 years since 1962? They did not prosper. They did not even live very long. My father died at 80, far older than his parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and cousins, but he would have lived much longer if the Jehovah's Witnesses had gotten him to stop smoking sooner. My mother, who only smoked occasionally, died at 94. Her sister, who never smoked and was also a Jehovah's Witness, lived to be 96. Funny thing about Natalie, she got rich, too, unlike everyone else on her side of the family, who stayed Southern Baptist and poor.
What about my cousins and their children? Some of them lived long enough to vote for Trump, but all my cousins are now dead and a third of their children, all Trump voters, are dead. Living a sinful life takes away the years you have.
And you could get hit by a car while out walking today. Maybe if you're lucky it will be by an EV and it will run out of battery charge before finishing you off.
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My angry poor white trash relatives vote for Trump. When the man who embodies all 7 deadly sins - lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy and pride - is signing Bibles it means that it is time to reevaluate your religion. And what do my angry poor white trash relatives say about the war? Fuck Ukraine.
The takeaway here is three fold.
1. You cling on to life because you are scared of death.
2. It's a good thing you aren't religious because you sit in judgement of everyone around you while never taking a good look at yourself because you actually believe that you're perfect and righteous.
3. You've figured not
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Sunday, October 30, 2022 9:53 PM
Quote:When I google Jehovah's Witnesses Russia
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You've posted this before. It's boring, racist, and wrong in so many ways.
https://www.google.com/search?q=jehovah%27s+witnesses+russia
Russia punishes Jehovah's Witnesses over and over again
Russia: Escalating Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses
Russia Imprisons Jehovah's Witnesses for Their Faith
Russia's mysterious campaign against Jehovah's Witnesses
Six Jehovah's Witnesses Handed Prison Terms In Russia
About 834,000 more results
Signym, it is absolutely no surprise that Putin would trash Ukrainians, take their property, and blow up their museums and churches because he does the same to Jehovah's Witnesses. I am not a Jehovah's Witness, but I know a few. I do not follow that religion, but I learned a few things that have been the foundation of my prosperous and peaceful life. Trump voters who did NOT learn those things will forever struggle in America to stay in the middle class. Russians would mightily benefit if they learned those things. It is very evident by comparing Russia to Canada and Finland that Russia has much to learn if it is to prosper.
Canada vs Russia: Economic Indicators Comparison
Canada with a GDP of $1.7T ranked the 10th largest economy in the world, while Russia ranked 11th with $1.7T. By GDP 5-years average growth and GDP per capita, Canada and Russia ranked 133rd vs 162nd and 21st vs 68th, respectively.
https://georank.org/economy/canada/russia
In 2017, Russia’s Supreme Court banned Jehnovah's Witnesses. Has Canada? It has not.
Russians habitually declare different people, whether Ukrainians or Witnesses, to be threats to the existence of Russia. Canadians don't do that.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:02 PM
Yes, nice deflection from my point, SECOND.
I have nothing against Jehova's Witnesses, because- UNLIKE YOU- I don't castigate whole groups of people. I don't presume to kow what anyone- or everyone - is like because they're a particular RACE, RELIGION, NATIONALITY, or POLITICAL PARTY. I don't harass and threaten and libel people who have not demonstrated their character to me by word or deed. In fact, I don't harass or threaten and libel people even when they HAVE demonstrated their poor character. Because I don't feel entitled and self-righteous, like you do.
So put your insinuations and lies and virtue-signalling away.
What I DO have is a grotch against YOU, because you have proven yourself to be a liar and an asshole, over and over again on this board, virtually without exception.
And - amazingly- even tho you're an apparent sociopath, you think you're a "better person"?
Only goes to show how well you lie to yourself.
So, how about we turn this thread away from your favorite subject (your vitrue signalling) and back to the OT?
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Monday, October 31, 2022 12:07 AM
Quote:The topic is "Russia Invades Ukraine. Again." Got that much, Signym? Putin has given many phony reasons for the invasion but the true reason is that this is how he rules. Putin has done to the Jehovah's Witnesses what he is doing to Ukrainians. Putin is persecuting both rather than doing what a normal country, Canada or Finland, does. Normal means leaving these people alone and going about your normal work rather than creating enemies to persecute.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, how about we turn this thread away from your favorite subject (your vitrue signalling) and back to the OT?
Why Is Putin Afraid of Jehovah’s Witnesses?
MARCH 26, 2021, 2:26 PM
On Wednesday, authorities in Russian-occupied Crimea announced that they had arrested a 30-year-old man suspected of promoting an organization that had been banned and deemed extremist in Russia. The day before that, prosecutors in the Russian city of Smolensk asked a court to sentence three adherents of the same group to up to nine years behind bars. On Monday, in the Crimean port of Sevastopol, prosecutors sought seven years for a man charged with “organizing the activities of an extremist group.”
So who are these scary extremists? Jehovah’s Witnesses, a Christian denomination with an estimated 175,000 followers in Russia. In 2017, Russia’s Supreme Court declared the group an extremist organization, lumping its non-violent adherents into the same category as neo-Nazis and members of al Qaeda.
Since then, Russian law enforcement has raided the homes of more than 1,300 worshippers and over 400 have been either charged or convicted of extremism in a brutal crackdown which has swept up followers aged 19 to 90. The European Association of Jehovah’s Witnesses estimates that between 5,000 to 10,000 of its members have fled Russia since the ban came into force.
Why is this happening?
As is often the case with authoritarian states, it’s hard to tell exactly what has prompted the crackdown—and there’s likely more than one reason. Jehovah’s Witnesses themselves are bewildered.
“If it wasn’t so serious, it would be a joke. It’s absurd. Jehovah’s Witnesses have been anything but extremist, and we’re certainly not dangerous or violent,” said Jarrod Lopes, a spokesperson for the group’s headquarters in the United States. Jehovah’s Witnesses remain politically neutral for religious reasons and do not vote, run for office, or protest. That might have spared them the arrests and harassment levied against protesters and opposition politicians in Russia, but their apolitical stance might have singled them out in other ways. “That looks very suspicious to our authorities,” said Alexander Verkhovsky, director of the Moscow-based SOVA Center for Information and Analysis, which tracks discrimination and misuse of Russia’s extremism laws.
After Vladimir Putin returned to the presidency in 2012 amid mass street protests against allegedly rigged elections, the Kremlin made a conscious effort to foment nationalism—and support for Putin. This new wave of patriotism was built around support for the armed forces and the Russian Orthodox Church, which is closely interwoven with the Russian state. All of this made Jehovah’s Witnesses—who refuse military conscription based on their faith—all the more conspicuous.
“I think it makes states that want a lot of control uncomfortable, because they can’t really control this community,” said Emily Baran, a history professor at Middle Tennessee State University.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/26/why-is-putin-afraid-of-jehovahs-w
itnesses/
That last line is why Putin invaded Ukraine: “I think it makes states that want a lot of control uncomfortable, because they can’t really control this community.”
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Monday, October 31, 2022 2:17 AM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The topic is "Russia Invades Ukraine. Again."
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, how about we turn this thread away from your favorite subject (your vitrue signalling) and back to the OT?
No shit. So how about you fucking stay on topic for once instead of making every goddamned thread in the RWED about you and your abundant mental illnesses, mkay?
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Monday, October 31, 2022 2:45 AM
Quote:Hey, YOU'RE the one who keeps dragging every gorram thread into "Trumptard" "poor white trash" "I'm so great" territory, not me. Your constant self-aggrandizing virtue signaling is pathetic.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, how about we turn this thread away from your favorite subject (your vitrue signalling) and back to the OT?
SECIND: The topic is "Russia Invades Ukraine. Again." Got that much, Signym?
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Putin has given many phony reasons for the invasion but the true reason is that this is how he rules.
Well, I managed to plow past your first stupid sentence only to make it to your second egregious stupidity. Not even gonna read the rest.
IN REALITY, SECOND, YOUR posts display every single reason for the invasion.
Your mindless, brainwashed hatred of Russia and Russians, characterizing all of them as barbaric, stupid, genocidal cannibals. (Did I miss anything? Probably.) Willing to believe everything negative about Russia and Russians, tarred with everything terrible from time immemorial thru days of the tsars thru Stalin to today. Genetically, unchangeably, unalterably inferior.
Your equally brainwashed hatred of Putin, willing to believe and propagate every lie about him. About how he, personally interfered with our elections and colluded with Trump, poisoned a dozen prominent people both inside of Russia and out, a tyrant with an iron fist ruling over an enslaved people, endlessly scheming to (somehow) destroy the USA and take over the world. BWAHAHAHA..
Your avowed desire to ring Russia with nukes, your constant war-mongering against Russia.
Your avowed desire to implant your own values (Well, not YOUR values. You don't give a shit about Jehovah's witness, you don't believe in God, and you certainly don't believe in diversity of opinion, freedom of speech, or fairness. You're a vindictive self-righteous little prick. No, I mean your "virtue-signalling" values.) into another culture in order to destroy it.
Your avowed desire to regime change Russia, break it up into little powerless statelets and steal their resources ("It's not fair" you said "that Russia has so many resources".)
Your consistent blindness to the aggression and evils of the west against other nations, including Russia.
Now, you, yourself, don't drive USA policy. You're not that important. What you DO reflect is the neocon propaganda which has been promoting the desire to crush Russia ever since 1990.
So, yeah... everything you've ever posted on the topic is a prime exemplar of why Russia invaded Ukraine. All you need to do is look to yourself to understand why that happened.
But I know you won't bc you can't afford personal insight.
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Bored of your endless propaganda and virtue-signalling now
How about we start discussing facts and REALITY in this supposedly "real world" forum?
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Monday, October 31, 2022 3:31 AM
Quote:You talk about me just like Russians talk about Ukrainians and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Jehovah’s Witnesses Ban reflects the popular will of Russians everywhere. By Emily B. Baran, April 24, 2017
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IN REALITY, SECOND, YOUR posts display every single reason for the invasion.
Your mindless, brainwashed hatred of Russia and Russians, characterizing all of them as barbaric, stupid, genocidal cannibals. (Did I miss anything? Probably.) Willing to believe everything negative about Russia and Russians, tarred with everything terrible from time immemorial thru days of the tsars thru Stalin to today. Genetically, unchangeably, unalterably inferior. etc. etc.
If the idea of Jehovah’s Witnesses posing any serious threat to national security seems absurd, it is, but it also has long roots in Russian society.
In the Soviet period, Communist Party-sponsored newspapers described the Witnesses as “fanatics” and “sectarians.” Ordinary believers were portrayed as ignorant rubes, duped into the shady underground world of sectarianism by unfortunate life circumstances and their own gullibility. The Soviet press drew an even less flattering portrait of elders in the Witness congregations, who were described as criminals, Nazi collaborators, drunkards, wife-beaters, deadbeats, and con-men.
When the Soviet Union collapsed, no one ever apologized for this disinformation or told the Russian people that the state had misjudged the Witnesses. On the contrary, the now-private media quickly seized on stale, anti-cult rhetoric of their Western counterparts.
Witnesses were no longer “anti-Soviet,” but they were still “sectarians” who “brainwashed” vulnerable citizens into joining a “totalitarian cult” that turned members into “zombies.”
Newspapers recounted horror stories of young people who fell into the Witnesses’ clutches, and desperate parents who called on the state to save their children from this predatory organization. It is little wonder that Russians developed a negative view of Witnesses.
The news media presented an image of the group as fundamentally incompatible with the new democratic system. By that logic, restricting the Witnesses actually upheld democratic values, while allowing Witnesses to “recruit” members denied citizens their basic freedoms.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2017/04/24/jehovahs-witnesses-ban-spell
s-end-of-russias-religious-diversity-op-ed-a57793
Signym, did you consume too much propaganda when you were a child? You know how to write it.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Monday, October 31, 2022 3:58 AM
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You talk about me just like Russians talk about Ukrainians and the Jehovah's Witnesses.
No, you stupid sod. I'm not talking about you as a rich, white, Democrat Texas oil/ gas baron, or Jehovah's Witness ... or whatever category you claim to belong in.
I'm talking about YOU. Individually. YOUR individual posts, YOUR libel and lies and intimidation and harassment and propaganda.
What you, personally and individually, have said and done and are responsible for.
Stop trying to shield your personal liability behind some persecuted (as you claim it) category. Your own posts and actions indict you.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Monday, October 31, 2022 5:09 AM
Quote:Signym, you are writing propaganda. I will show how that works in Russia when the target is Jehovah's Witnesses: First, the Witnesses were anti-Soviet fanatics. Then they were totalitarian sectarians. Now they are extremists. Signym, the Witnesses are none of those things. It is Russians spouting calumny. Signym, you have been spouting calumny about Ukrainians, Biden, Pelosi, NATO, me. You do it so easily after long practice.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
You talk about me just like Russians talk about Ukrainians and the Jehovah's Witnesses.
No, you stupid sod. I'm not talking about you as a rich, white, Democrat Texas oil/ gas baron, or Jehovah's Witness ... or whatever category you claim to belong in.
I'm talking about YOU. Individually. YOUR individual posts, YOUR libel and lies and intimidation and harassment and propaganda.
What you, personally and individually, have said and done and are responsible for.
Stop trying to shield your personal liability behind some persecuted (as you claim it) category. Your own posts and actions indict you.
Prior to the Russian Supreme Court ruling, the more than 170,000 Russian Witnesses had legally registered with the government and certainly do not advocate violence against state or society. That may not matter in the end because the demonization of Witnesses has so eclipsed any sense of reality.
The state is the central actor, but its actions reflect the popular will of Russians who, by and large, have decided that Witnesses have no place in their society.
In this regard, even before the court decision, the Witnesses had already lost in the court of public opinion. This is not a good sign for the health of religious pluralism in Russia. (Not a good sign for the health of Ukrainians. If Ukraine loses to Russia, Ukrainians will be treated horribly, far worse than Jehovah's Witnesses, because Ukrainians fought back while the Witnesses did not because they are pacifists.)
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2017/04/24/jehovahs-witnesses-ban-spell
s-end-of-russias-religious-diversity-op-ed-a57793
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Monday, October 31, 2022 5:40 AM
SECOND, I'm not accusing you of anything except posting what you've posted, and doing what you claim to have done IRL. I'm not saying you're an extremist or a fanatic You ARE a liar, libeller, harasser, and racist and have threatened people online and killed and inimidated people IRL (you claim).
These arent categorical crimes, SECOND. They belong to you. If you were in a courtroom you'd be charged as an individual for your misdeeds, not bc you are any category.
Do you disavow your own posts and actions?
Didn't think so.
Not gonna waste any more time on you trying to squirm your way out of being responsible for what you're responsible for.
Any honest person with two neurons to rub together knows what you are.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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