new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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Iran reports nine deaths. If we use a 2% mortality rate that means 450 cases. If we use a 2.5% mortality rate that means 360 cases.
The total number of cases in Beijing is 45.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-deaths-outside-chin
a-surge-overnight-explosion-new-cases-suggests-outbreak
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In all of the media noise, has it been settled whether 2019-Ncov is transmissable before symptoms appear? If you can't ID asymptomatic infected people (because you can't even ID symptomatic infected people because of repeated false negatives) then isolating symptomatic infected people will only slow down the spread of the disease, but won't stop it.
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Quote:At one point, 492 passengers had been tested, with 175 positives resulting. This is 36%.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
NYTimes:
Japan Lets Cruise Passengers Walk Free. Is That Safe?
As a quarantine over a coronavirus outbreak ended, experts expressed alarm over the protocols on the ship, which has 621 confirmed infections.
CNN:
A total of 624 cases of the virus are linked to the stricken ship.
If we pretend the same proportions held (because we don't have better information), then 1754 tests would result in 624 positives.
It sounds like the 624 positives were removed from the ship.
Unknown if the other 1130 tested (must have been negatives) were allowed to leave, or were kept in quarantine.
Anyhow, about 2,000 untested passengers remained, which sounds like they were let go to roam around.
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Not the same as coronavirus, but I heard of Yara virus, with no known precursors.
https://www.microcapobserver.com/science/mysterious-virus-named-yara-f
ound-in-brazil-with-no-known-genome-in-it
https://www.complex.com/life/2020/02/mysterious-virus-undiscovered-gen
es-scientists-yaravirus
But then some articles indicate that most new viruses do not have recognizable genomes.
Apparently there are currently 10 plagues on the globe at this time. One is of locusts of east Africa. Consuming entire farms in less than 30 seconds. Swarms of billions of locusts. And they have crossed the border into China.
I heard some things about inside China. They have stopped treating the coronavirus, and have just switched to placing infected persons in concentration camps, to die off.
Dissidents, Christians, missionaries, etc. are rounded up and placed into the concentration camps healthy, so they can contract the virus and die.
People with poor social credit scores are tracked down, apprehended, stating they are infected and going to hospital, and then they become involuntary transplant donors, and then are put into the concentration camps.
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Quote:The current consensus is yes.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In all of the media noise, has it been settled whether 2019-Ncov is transmissible before symptoms appear?
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Quote:The problem is they didn't test everybody, they only tested those people who were ill (for cause), and about 600 before being released. So, because they didn't test everybody, and the test is kind of bunk anyway, they have no idea how many people are infected.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
At one point, 492 passengers had been tested, with 175 positives resulting. This is 36%.
If we pretend the same proportions held (because we don't have better information), then 1754 tests would result in 624 positives.
It sounds like the 624 positives were removed from the ship.
Unknown if the other 1130 tested (must have been negatives) were allowed to leave, or were kept in quarantine.
Anyhow, about 2,000 untested passengers remained, which sounds like they were let go to roam around.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
One thing they COULD do is remove people to a better, land-based facility, to be quarantined - kind of like how the US is quarantining people from China in military facilities.
The ship is no better than a cauldron of close quarters and shared air, with crew potentially shuttling the virus from room to room. There are more effective and humane ways of dealing with it.
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, one thing we know now is that they haven't tested everyone. That's a serious gap in whatever information one might hope to glean from the situation.
And btw, I hope Japan gets two huge black eyes and a decade long-divot in tourism over their handling of this. They deserve it.
Speaking of the people on the ship ... I think one would have to be made of incredibly strong mental stuff to not be driven crazy. Not only are they trapped in their cabins, but they watch the virus hit passengers one by one, and they can't escape.
Quote:https://www.wjhl.com/coronavirus/cdc-everyone-on-diamond-princess-crui
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
This just occurred to me - while the Diamond Princess was a stew of infectivity (and omg would I hate to have been on it), AFAIK there've been no definite cases of person-to-person spread in US-based quarantine (though there have been cases of people who tested negative initially 'converting' to positive). That indicates to me that 1) we need better tests !! and 2) there's an arguable handle on how to prevent transmission.
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CDC: Everyone on Diamond Princess cruise “reasonably expected of having had exposure” to coronavirus
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/cruise-ships-quarantin
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“Get off that ship — there are a lot better places to isolate people,” Purdue University's Qingyan Chen, an expert on ventilation during virus outbreaks, told BuzzFeed News. “In ships, you cannot filter the air well enough to stop viruses.” ... In a 2015 study, he and his colleagues looked at the spread of flu aboard cruise ships, finding that one infected person would typically lead to more than 40 cases a week later on a 2,000 passenger cruise, with transmission occurring through the ventilation system. ... A 2018 CDC study of two Alaskan cruise ships that suffered flu outbreaks found that 83% of 410 passengers on the two ships were infected with some respiratory illness within the second week of the cruises, with how soon passengers boarded the ship presenting the biggest determinant of their risk.
(On the Diamond Princess, 10 passengers were diagnosed with coronavirus on Feb. 4, two weeks after an infected passenger set foot on the ship. Just to note this reconfirms JSF's timeline http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&mid=1
094444#1094444 )
Even so, the quarantine on the Diamond Princess was not rigorous, according to one infectious disease expert, Kentaro Iwata of Kobe University Hospital, who went aboard on Tuesday to help advise health officials on how to prevent the virus’s spread. In isolation himself to protect his family from possible infection, he released a YouTube video saying that health ministry officials and crew members mingled and ate together on the Diamond Princess, with some in protective gear and some not, crossing between “green” infection-free zones on the ship and “red” suspect ones, creating ripe conditions for infections to walk off the ship.
(The article also mentions commonly touched surfaces, and flushing toilets, which release a crap-ton, so to speak, of aerosols.)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/02/20/the-diamond-pr
incess-has-become-a-floating-viral-incubator-what-can-scientists-learn-from-the--coronavirus-stricken-cruise-ship/#2dc39e855671
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BTW, while I've been focused very specifically on this virus I want to point out that Signy has what I think are cogent broad-scope observations as well as very specific home-based preparedness suggestions that I haven't been responding to because they're not in my arena.
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3879345
Chinese coronavirus patient reinfected 10 days after leaving hospital
TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — A Chinese patient who just recovered from the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) has reportedly been infected for the second time in the province of Sichuan, according to local health officials.
On Wednesday (Feb. 19), the People's Daily reported that a man in Sichuan's capital Chengdu had tested positive for the virus during a regular check-up just ten days after being discharged from the hospital. The report said he had previously been cleared of the virus by medical staff.
Several doctors from Wuhan, the epicenter of COVID-19, said last week that it is possible for recovered patients to contract the virus a second time. They warned that a recurring infection could be even more damaging to a patient's body and that the tests are susceptible to false negatives.
I wonder if you can be reinfected from your environment.
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As 'conspiracy theory' as the name sounds, the Center for Health Security is run by Johns Hopkins.
"The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security hosted the Clade X pandemic tabletop exercise on May 15, 2018, in Washington, DC. The purpose of the exercise was to illustrate high-level strategic decisions and policies that the United States and the world will need to pursue in order to prevent a pandemic or diminish its consequences should prevention fail." (Clade - is a group of organisms that consists of a common ancestor and all its lineal descendants, representing a single "branch" on the "tree of life.")
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/events/2018_clade_x_ex
ercise/index.html
Highlights of the exercise are here, some that sound eerily familiar.
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/events/2018_clade_x_ex
ercise/pdfs/Clade-X-exercise-presentation-slides.pdf
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Clade X Medical Countermeasures
• No known antivirals
Thousands of licensed drugs being screened
• Parainfluenza virus vaccines in development for years
None are licensed
Unlikely to be effective against Clade X
Vaccine research for the Clade X virus has begun
It will likely take >12 months to have a vaccine
May 15: NSC Staff Briefing
• Clade X has pandemic potential
• CDC developed a PCR test
• CDC issued travel alerts for Germany and Venezuela
• Fever screening at US airports for direct flights from Germany and Venezuela
• CDC issued alerts to health departments and hospitals
• Suspect cases should be isolated and reported to CDC
Should the President issue an executive order to suspend air travel to the US from Germany and Venezuela?
June 1, 2018
Six weeks after onset of the first illness
Clade X Situation Update
• President issued a 4-week suspension for all travel from Germany and Venezuela
• President decided against deploying medical aid to Venezuela
• Preliminary analysis suggests that the Clade X virus could have been deliberately engineered
• First suspected cases of Clade X in the US have been reported
The narrative story is here.
https://www.globalhealthnow.org/2018-05/cladex-mock-yet-entirely-plaus
ible-pandemic
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WASHINGTON, DC—In mid-May, the US National Security Advisor assembled a team of top advisors to discuss the mysterious illness emerging in Germany and Venezuela, with hundreds of cases and dozens of deaths since mid-April.
Patients, including US military members, were showing up at the hospital in Landstuhl with fever, cough, and confusion. Some patients were ending up on respirators; others fell into comas.
Initially, it looked like viral encephalitis. But it soon became clear this virus was something new—and lethal. It had the ability to be transmitted from person to person through the air, a 5-7 day incubation period, and a high fatality rate.
At this point, officials had no reason to believe the virus was anything other than a naturally occurring virus.
May 1, 2018: Clade X Global Cases
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By May 1, the virus had spread to Venezuela. And while Germany’s health system moved fast to isolate the sick and track exposures, the authorities in Venezuela reacted much differently, denying the outbreak. Hundreds of people soon swamped ERs. The US Coast Guard reported seeing boats of sick refugees from Venezuela approaching Puerto Rico.
By May 2, a culprit had been identified: parainfluenza. Human Parainfluenza Viruses, as the CDC explains, are different than influenza viruses, although they also can cause respiratory infections—and the flu vaccine does not protect against HPIV infections.
The mystery virus—with no known antivirals, no licensed vaccines against it, and pandemic potential—got a name: Clade X.
Thankfully, Clade X is not real, and this was a mock pandemic—an exercise hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for HNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Cases surge in S Korea.
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*To note - these recovered people are subject to a second, and worse reinfection.
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