new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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Quote:The last time the White House became involved in managing a national emergency, during Hurricane Dorian in September, he misstated an official forecast of the storm’s path, then displayed a tracking map in the Oval Office that he appeared to have altered with one of his signature Sharpie pens.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh. So you're telling me that we DID nuke those hurricanes then?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Presidential words have played an important role in past health crises. Ronald Reagan was severely criticized for his slow response to the spread of H.I.V. and for recommending abstinence to address the infection. Mr. Obama resisted pressure from Mr. Trump to institute sweeping travel bans and quarantines, calling them alarmist and urging levelheaded thinking.
“This is a serious disease, but we can’t give in to hysteria or fear because that only makes it harder to get people the accurate information they need,” Mr. Obama said in October 2014 in a radio address. “We have to be guided by the science. We have to remember the basic facts.”
Mr. Trump’s record on presenting facts has been a persistent source of criticism in the scientific community. He is a clown, in other words.
“Our government is staffed with the best experts, scientists and medical leaders in the world. But Trump’s instincts — anti-science, anti-expert, isolationist and xenophobic — risk that he will eschew that advice at critical points,” said Ronald Klain.
www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-epidemic.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Test results, and then quarantine ony happened a week ago. So new cases found now would be from the spread before all of these quarantine measures.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
From the article ...Quote:
After a relatively quiet 36 hours for the 'Diamond Princess', Japanese authorities reported 39 more cases, bringing the total to 174 out of 492 people on board tested, while Japan's defense Minister Taro Kono tweeted that a quarantine officer from the health ministry also tested positive for the virus. As Bloomberg notes, Carnival’s Diamond Princess cruise ship has become the biggest center of infection of any place outside of China. The Diamond Princess was placed under quarantine last week and checks were conducted after a passenger from Hong Kong who had been on the ship tested positive for the virus. The ship has become a case of concern because of the possibility of more infections in the vessel’s confined spaces, and the increased risks to elderly passengers.
So isolating people in their cabins and serving them meals in-cabin HASN'T stopped the spread of the NOCOV-19 virus? Do the servers test positive? If not, what's left? Ventilation systems?
Like I said, it will provide valuable data once they tease out HOW people are becoming infected. I'd sure hate to be on that ship.
But the issue of the Japanese Quarantine Officer, that seems troubling.
I forgot if anybody mentioned that one of the airlifted Americans from China tested positive near San Diego. I think this means that their new 2-week quarantine clock starts now. Meaning it just got extended.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The last time the White House became involved in managing a national emergency, during Hurricane Dorian in September, he misstated an official forecast of the storm’s path, then displayed a tracking map in the Oval Office that he appeared to have altered with one of his signature Sharpie pens.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh. So you're telling me that we DID nuke those hurricanes then?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Presidential words have played an important role in past health crises. Ronald Reagan was severely criticized for his slow response to the spread of H.I.V. and for recommending abstinence to address the infection. Mr. Obama resisted pressure from Mr. Trump to institute sweeping travel bans and quarantines, calling them alarmist and urging levelheaded thinking.
“This is a serious disease, but we can’t give in to hysteria or fear because that only makes it harder to get people the accurate information they need,” Mr. Obama said in October 2014 in a radio address. “We have to be guided by the science. We have to remember the basic facts.”
Mr. Trump’s record on presenting facts has been a persistent source of criticism in the scientific community. He is a clown, in other words.
“Our government is staffed with the best experts, scientists and medical leaders in the world. But Trump’s instincts — anti-science, anti-expert, isolationist and xenophobic — risk that he will eschew that advice at critical points,” said Ronald Klain.
www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-epidemic.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Dumb.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Back to the OP -
I kind of want to summarize what I gleaned are the highlights of the epidemic and the virus.
As we know by now, the virus is highly infectious, in other words, it spreads easily from person to person. I believe it's because of the unusual 4 inserts that recognize and attach to specific ACE 2 binding sites in the human body. ACE(nzymes) are located (from wiki): It is located mainly in the capillaries of the lungs but can also be found in endothelial and kidney epithelial cells. Just as an aside, endothelial cells line the entire cardiovascular system, including the heart. I read speculation that that's why the first person to die from 2019-nCoV died from heart failure, not pneumonia.
Exactly HOW the virus spreads is still a question. Is it by direct inhalation of aerosols from coughing and sneezing? By saliva? By feces? By contact with contaminated surfaces? And considering that the receptors are found in the kidneys and infection is known to cause kidney damage in some people, by urine? Are there asymptomatic carriers? Can it be airborne without inhaling aerosols? Are there other non-human vectors? Did this start at the BSL4 facility in Wuhan? To me, until we know how this is spread, we won't have a real handle on it (assuming we're not past the point of containing it).
BTW, as I've read over, and over, and over - there's a lot we don't know. And I'm going to say upfront that OBVIOUSLY I don't know what the experts know, all I know is what I glean from the news; and that everything I know I feel is provisional.
Moving forward with those caveats in mind, there is still no treatment or vaccine. The potential incubation period has been extended to 24 days, and the virus can survive at room temperature on smooth surfaces for up to 9 days (much longer with cold and moisture).
And we still don't know how many are infected, and what the death rate is. And that has to do with the lack of test kits (which test for viral RNA), and imo the number of false negatives. Though, again imo, that has to do with their sampling. The virus infects the lungs, and possibly the cardiovascular-system endothelium and the kidneys, and so sampling the back of the nose and the back of the throat might not find any infected cells.
It looks like many chemicals may potentially sanitize surfaces contaminated with generic coronaviruses, and a minimum of 70% ethanol (or 50% IPA) will sanitize hands contaminated with generic coronaviruses.
And then there's the cruise ship with no infected passengers that can't dock ... and the Diamond Princess which is a floating nightmare. There's Singapore with community spread and then ... there's us?
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China reports huge jump in new infections...
Phone makes it difficult to copy, but Hubei reported an additional 14,840 infections and 242 deaths, due to a change in definition (AGAIN). Originally they were including asymptomatic people who tested positive. Then they started excluding asymptomatic people who tested positive. Then they reversed their previous change and are now including asymptomatic people who test positive, and also including people diagnosed on the basis of "clinical symptoms" without a positive test (because test kits may not be available or result in false negatives)
For comparison, just the day before the definition change, the number of "new infections" was about 2000 and going down.
My take on this is that China is seeing a real reduction in cases and now that they feel they have a handle on this they're letting in foreigners and being more honest with their numbers. Chinese really don't want to air their dirty laundry especially to foreigners. To mix metaphors, something about losing face
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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North Korea has an outbreak solution: execution. Fairly strict on the quarantine concept.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-north-korea-exec
utes-coronavirus-21488604
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I meant to mention a few days ago: Local news reported that in WI, 15 persons had been targeted for testing, with 13 negatives results, one confirmed positive (Madison), and one not negative - I believe that person is being further tested.
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https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-13-20-i
ntl-hnk/index.html
Weeks into the coronavirus outbreak, CDC still not invited to China
Novel coronavirus can be spread by people who aren’t exhibiting symptoms, CDC director says
(That's one vital question answered.)
US health expert expects coronavirus to be around "beyond this season, beyond this year"
“I do think that eventually we are going to be in more of a mitigation phase in dealing with this virus but that’s not to underestimate the importance of the containment phase that we’re in right now,” Redfield said.
“The containment phase is really to give us more time. This virus will become a community virus at some point in time, this year or next year,” Redfield said. (That's another vital question partially answered. What is a PlanB?) “We don’t have any evidence that this coronavirus is really embedded in the community at this time, but with that said, we want to intensify our surveillance so that we’re basing those conclusions based on data.” (And another vital question is partially answered. Are they surveilling for community transmission?)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/us/us-coronavirus-case-texas-base/index
.html
The 15th US case of coronavirus is an evacuee at an Air Force base in Texas
(There are 2 cases of US-based person to person transmission among the 15 cases in the US.)
This is the third case of the coronavirus confirmed among evacuees from China, following two cases in California.
It's the first case of the coronavirus confirmed in Texas. Eight cases have been confirmed in California, one in Massachusetts, one in Washington state, one in Arizona, two in Illinois and one in Wisconsin. There are two instances of person-to-person transmission, one in Illinois and one in California.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-13/coronavirus-could-i
nfect-two-thirds-of-globe-researcher-says
Coronavirus Could Infect Two-Thirds of Globe, Research Shows
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Does coronavirus render folk stupid?
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/london-coronavirus-patient-turned-hospital-1
25033463.html
My local news just reported that in WI, 15 tests were performed, all but one were negative.
And, 15th case in TX.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/13/us/us-coronavirus-case-texas-base/i
ndex.html
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It has been mentioned that the incubation period is believed to be 24 days.
Today is the 24th day since the 20 Jan report of Coronavirus in America, when this thread started.
So, just like watching a star 700 years away is revealing what happened with that star 700 years ago, what we see from now is likely a result of what happened during this thread, and what we've seen up until now could likely have been from spread before this thread started.
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