new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China

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not to sound like I'm some sort of zombie prepper (there's other forums for that)..oh..and I am...(grin).... but in terms of risk of death, I figure I'm about 15 million times more likley to get creamed on the morning commute than i am to die of the virus...that said, it's the govt reaction that I try to prepare for....when you see commerce curtailed, logistics impacted, etc...well, let's just say that I've decided it's time to make sure any empty shelves in the deep freeze have plenty of meat, and my food pantry is well stocked...symptoms meds, edlerberry, etc...anything that can help keep you out of the quarantine camps and help you weather temporary commerce shortages. I do imagine this thing is engineered as a possible RNA> DNA delivery platform...how it got loose..nother discussion...but for today, best I can do is prep for the ride.

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Originally posted by OLDGUY:
not to sound like I'm some sort of zombie prepper (there's other forums for that)..oh..and I am...(grin).... but in terms of risk of death, I figure I'm about 15 million times more likley to get creamed on the morning commute than i am to die of the virus...that said, it's the govt reaction that I try to prepare for....when you see commerce curtailed, logistics impacted, etc...well, let's just say that I've decided it's time to make sure any empty shelves in the deep freeze have plenty of meat, and my food pantry is well stocked...symptoms meds, edlerberry, etc...anything that can help keep you out of the quarantine camps and help you weather temporary commerce shortages. I do imagine this thing is engineered as a possible RNA> DNA delivery platform...how it got loose..nother discussion...but for today, best I can do is prep for the ride.

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When you prep for one emergency you wind up prepping for others. For us, the most likely disaster is earthquake, loss of utilities and food, followed by widespread social disorder. Wuhan flu is actually a less universal problem and only requires the addition of masks, disposable gloves, and hand sanitizer and bleach.

Now, if I was only prepped for The Big One, we'd be all set!

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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I've been thinking about the overall situation.

BTW at the same time that Tedros (head of WHO) insists we're not in a pandemic -- as of yet -- other people from WHO insist pandemic is a term they don't use anymore. THANKS WHO. You're very helpful.


I honestly don't know how we'd recognize community spread in the US before it got to be god-awful. First of all, in general, we don't have a healthcare system people access unless they're really ill, because it's far too expensive and complicated, not to mention that appointment wait-times for something like a cough are weeks long. And second of all, the viral surveillance trotted out by the CDC - the swab tests - have coverage that's less than tissue thin. To all intents and purposes, nobody is going to be tested in the ER in the US.

Looking at the countries around the world - looking at YOU S Korea and Italy! - when it starts out, it starts out small. There's patient zero in Italy they still haven't found, and the Christian sect in S Korea. But once it's recognized, besides doing contact tracing, they address it geographically. If your area happens to be impacted, you can expect to be locked-down. How long that might be is anyone's guess. I mean, look at Wuhan. How many months has it been? And even at that, people are too scared to go out and mingle, and the government is having to try to push people back to work (because the economy can't take it much longer).

Locally, the differences between Wuhan COV and The Big One are that: after The Big One everything will be offline, including water and electricity and transportation. But the acute phase might last at most a month. With Wuhan COV OTOH, presumably the utilities will keep going ... but the lockdown, though perhaps in a limited area, might be months.

I do expect Wuhan COV to entrench in the US at some point. I do expect it to start locally (or as many different 'localies') of course. But recognition at the national level of local/ regional conditions will be so delayed, they won't be able to take meaningful action to stop the spread. But that won't keep them from going through the motions of quarantine/ lockdown!

Across the country in general for Wuhan COV I expect prescription medicines to be in short supply. I think that's already baked-in. China is often the mfg of either the scrips or the chemicals they're made from. Expect prices to jump as well.

Globally, it's a divot. It may be a sizeable divot. It may be a long-lasting divot. But the overall world population, and the global economy, can afford to lose even 10% of people in the long run. We're expendable. People are expendable. Overall - aside from not wasting a good crisis - tptb will go ... meh.

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Cases in Canada are hard to keep track of, they seem to keep changing the count.

Sounds like 5th case is this airplane passenger from Montreal to Vancouver on 14 Feb.
Then the 6th case was the Fraser Valley person who flew in from Iran, and then had contact with a person who then went to a school. Smooth.
Then the 7th case is Toronto, woman who flew in from China on Friday. 21 Feb.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/passenger-aboard-air-canada-flight-213857332
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This site lists Canada as 11 cases.

And U.S. with 53 cases. In 9th place, and with 5 recovered.

Also, Active cases are 22% serious or critical, and Inactive cases are 9% fatal.

Diamond Princess has fallen to 3rd place, behind S Korea.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I will try to post here a timeline of the cruise ship events. It may take a while.

I plan to use only data and info culled from this thread, unless otherwise noted.

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I expect I will be using data from outside this thread, denoted as "web"

Cruise Ship:
Fri 17 Jan. 80-year old man flies into Tokyo.
Sun 19 Jan. He acquires cough.
Mon 20 Jan. He boards Cruise Ship.
Sat 25 Jan. He debarks Cruise Ship at Hong Kong.
Thu 30 Jan. He first detects fever, and that day is confirmed as coronavirus.
Mon 3 Feb. Cruise Ship is quarantined.
Tue 4 Feb. 10 Cases confirmed aboard Cruise Ship. later that day, another 10 cases confirmed. Total 20 beyond Patient Zero.
Thu 6 Feb. 41 more cases confirmed aboard Cruise Ship. Total 61.
Fri 7 Feb. First post in this thread about Cruise Ship. 3 Americans confirmed infected.
Sat 8 Feb. 3 more positives, total 64 on Cruise Ship.
Sun 9 Feb. Now 70 cases.
Sun/Mon 9/10 Feb. Another 136 cases confirmed aboard Cruise Ship. (This does not fit with other data - most likely this is 136 total cases, or 66 new cases since earlier 9 Feb.)
Tue 11 Feb. 39 new cases aboard Cruise Ship. Likely total of 175. Report says 174 total confirmed cases of 492 tested on board.
Tue 11 Feb. First non-Cruise person confirmed - a Japanese Quarantine Officer.
Thu 13 Feb. 44 new cases, to total of 218 cases. Of 713 tested. (web)
Sat 15 Feb. 285 cases on Cruise Ship, planes chartered to evacuate Americans.
Sun 16 Feb. 70 new cases, to total of 355 cases, of 1219 tested. (web)
Mon 17 Feb. 99 new cases, 454 total. U.S. flew 13 cases to Omaha. Another report of over 300 Americans airlifted off ship, including 14 cases. Flew into U.S. night of 16 Feb, 340 of the 38 Americans aboard the ship. (web)
Tue 18 Feb. Canada flew out their citizens from ship. 129 of the 256 Canadians aboard, but 47 positive cases not allowed. Debarked 12 Feb, flew out 14 Feb. (web)
Wed 19 Feb. Cruise Ships passengers allowed to leave, free to disseminate across the general population. Either 621 or 624 Cases to date.





Overall:
20 Jan 2020. First Coronavirus case confirmed in America, and this thread starts. Seattle.
23 Jan. Possible case in Brazos Co, TX.
25 Jan. 3 caes in France, 4 in Australia.
26 Jan. Case in Santa Ana, 2nd case in SoCal.
27 Jan. 1st Canada case also infected wife. Toronto.
29 Jan. Flight of 200 Americans from China got out, to March RAFB. (then quarantined)
29 Jan. 5 cases in Americxa, plus suspected case in from Logan Airport (Boston).
30 Jan. 1st person-to-person infection in America. Husband-wife in Chicago.
31 Jan. Insertions finding revealed.
1 Feb. MA confirms 1st case (see 29 Jan).
3 Feb. 11th case in America is person-to-person in CA, Santa Clara Co. Includes 2 in San Benito Co, 1 in Orange Co, 1 in LA Co.
3 Feb. 1st case in NYC.
4 Feb. 1st patient released after treatment. Seattle.
4 Feb. America: 178 tested, 11 confirmed, 82 awaiting results.
5 Feb. Accidental posting of real figures on Tencent.
5 Feb. 12th case is in WI. (Madison, flew in from China)
5 Feb. Also, more charter flights are scheduled from China.
7 Feb. 3 Americans have virus aboard Cruise Ship.
11 Feb. 13th case is evacuee, now in San Diego.
11 Feb. 398 tested in 37 states, 318 negative, 68 pending.
11 Feb. 195 evacuees released from quarantine at March RAFB. (Ontario, CA)
13 Feb. 15th case, evacuee to TX AFB (1st in TX). After 2 evacuees in CA. Includes 8 in CA, 1 in WA, 1 in MA, 1 in AZ, 2 in IL, 1 in WI.
19 Feb. Link to tracker/stats site is posted here.





Canada:
27 Jan. 1st Canada case also infected wife. Toronto, Ontario.
18 Feb. Canada flew out their citizens from Cruise Ship. 129 of the 256 aboard. 47 cases were not allowed to board the flight. Debarked ship 12 Feb, flew out 14 Feb. (web)
21 Feb. 6th case flew in from Iran. Fraser Valley. 5th is in B.C., flew in from Shanghai. 3 other cases in Ontario. (web)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I'm uncertain of the smartness of getting citizens out of China and back home....? Isn't that how it would spread? How do we know if they are carriers or not? I wouldn't be as concerned if we had a vaccine - and it does not seem to be as fatal (thank all the godz), but still... are they screened first by US Drs before boarding and how effective is the screening? Curiouser and curiouser.

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I still want to note that I'm not at all worried about this thing and I think that people are taking this way to seriously.

That being said though, I agree with the Captain here. I was talking to my grandma on the phone yesterday and she had the news on mute and told me about them getting Americans out of China and I said "why the fuck are they doing that?"

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Are you not thinking today?

If one is infected on the plane, they are all 200 risking getting it during the flight. Enclosed/confined space.
Once they get here, they are screened several times, and also quarantined for days or weeks if needed - and all would be willing to do so versus the alternative of staying in China.
These are all American citizens, mostly dependants of U.S. Diplomats - so we are lookng out for those who are doing our work for us.


If they are proven to be uninfected now, why would you declare they must be left where they will likely contract the fatal infection?
If one or more are infected at this point, it's not going to get from California to Indiana while they are in quarantine, so what is the problem?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Ok. We'll see if none of them are infected.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I also understand that the plane full of Americans was chartered. I had hoped it was a service of the U.S. Government.


It sounds like the CDC, or other authority, has directed that these passengers from China be detained, effectively quarantined, for some time, perhaps weeks. This seems extremely reasonable. I am sure those now in quarantine can understand, and are grateful that they are no longer stuck in virus-infected China, and are now merely stuck in sunny SoCal. Seems March Reserve AFB is also in Ontario, CA. The civilian Airport they were originally slated for was also in Ontario. I am not sure if they are the same property, merely civilian and military sides. A reserve Air Force Base sounds like a wonderful location for effective quarantine. Large supply of individual rooms, everybody can remain separated from each other and the public, and the government owns/runs it all, so can modify whatever they want to accomodate needs of the situation.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-11-20-i
ntl-hnk/index.html

Quarantine ends for all 195 coronavirus evacuees at California Air Force base

All 195 coronavirus evacuees from Wuhan, China who were staying at March Air Reserve Base in California have completed their 14-day quarantine period, health officials announced in a news conference Tuesday.

There were no cases of coronavirus identified in the group, which arrived at the base in Riverside County on January 29. The 195 individuals completed their final health check Tuesday morning.

Health officials emphasized that they do not have the novel coronavirus and pose no health risk.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At this point, and forgive me for sounding like a dick here, I'm hoping that this is a bit more serious than I've thought it was and that it does make a large and negative impact here in the states. Nothing earth shattering, but enough to give a serious sting and to get people to be a little outraged about how it was handled.



Even somebody like JSF w

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