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Why Putin is suddenly gaining popularity among Republicans
www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/1216/Why-Putin-is-suddenly-gaining
-popularity-among-conservatives
A new poll released this week by YouGov shows that in the US, self-identified Republicans viewing Putin as very or somewhat favorably rose from 10 percent in July 2014 to 37 percent today.
The YouGov poll not only shows an uptick in support over the past two years, but also a decline in antipathy. Nearly half of Republicans – 47 percent – still view Putin somewhat or very unfavorably – but those seeing him “very unfavorably collapsed from 51 percent in 2014 to 10 percent now.
“If you look at public opinion in the United States, there were pretty universal negative views of Putin up to this summer,” Darden says. “Then we had the Republican nominee sounding very pro-Putin, and the public shifted shockingly quickly.”
The turnaround in the Russian leader’s image in the US can be ascribed almost completely to Trump’s repeated contrasting of Putin’s strong leadership and President Obama’s “weakness.”
“It’s really the people who are opposed to Obama who are revising their view of Putin,” Darden says. “It’s pure partisanship that says, ‘Putin was the enemy of Obama, therefore he must be a pretty decent guy.’ ”
That sunk in with voters drawn to Trump’s rhetoric and style, and the result is that “a surprising number of people now see Putin in a positive light as a man of action,. They see Putin as a leader who was dealt a weaker hand than the president of the United States, but who has somehow been able to play it better.”
When the United Nations Security Council on Wednesday proposed a resolution praising outgoing Secretary General Ban Ki-moon for supporting the world’s lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community, Russia stood up to its Western colleagues and said no.
The wording about sexual minorities, whom Russian President Vladmir Putin disdains, was replaced with a benign reference to the “most vulnerable” and “marginalized.”
There’s no doubting Putin’s opposition to sexual minorities and his deep disdain for what he sees as a decadent West. In his often-cited 2013 state-of-the-nation speech, the Russian leader defended Russia’s “traditional” values against the West’s “so-called tolerance,” which he condemned as “genderless and infertile” and for promoting “the equality of good and evil.”
Instead of facing near universal rejection in the West over Putin’s oppressive governance at home, his seizure of Crimea, and his intervention in Syria on behalf of a despot, Putin is for some a hero. Nationalist conservatives see Putin as defending sovereign nationhood in the face of globalization, and traditional values against an onslaught of threatening forces.
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First off... Congratulations on the 1,500th post on this thread Second.
Beyond that, so what?
Last I checked, Sean Connery has been retired from acting for 15 years....
We aren't Soviet Agents. We're just not at all agreeable to the Neo-Con and/or Neo-Lib bullshit.
Stuff that you are in favor of is the exact same stuff you were against 10 years ago.
They flipped the script, and you took the bait.
Of course I don't want Russia to own us.
But at the same time, THIS is how out of control Liberalism has gotten in this country.
The fact that we can actually have this conversation and it might actually have a little bit of weight to it.
In the ENTIRE WORLD there are two major powers that do not let ANY Muslims across their borders. China and Russia.
This isn't 19-fucking-80. I'm not Snake Pliskin coaching the US hockey team to beat Russia.
Islam is a VERY "rapey" culture and their women are dogs. They are invading the lands of my ancestors and raping the women there and trying to force them all to wear hajibs... because apparently these ANIMALS can't help but rape women who aren't covered head to toe, and bullshit "Leaders" like Merkel in Germany don't defend German Women and are about to be voted out and the Muslims are going to be forced out soon after that.
I'm sure all the Muslims weren't "Bad People". The ones who weren't had plenty of opportunity to speak against that and beg local law enforcement to make an example of them, but none of them did that. Islam wants to convert the entire world.
Buh-Bye Muslims. Buh-Bye Unelected European Union "Masters".
10 years from now, or very much less, there will be ZERO EU.
ANYONE would RATHER be invaded by Russia than raped to submission by Islam.
That's just the facts.
Shut your fucking mouth about it until you are raped or your daughter is raped by a Muslim that hates her because she wears sexy clothes and make up.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by second:
A new poll released this week by YouGov shows that in the US, self-identified Republicans viewing Putin as very or somewhat favorably rose from 10 percent in July 2014 to 37 percent today.
This iz a predictable side effect uv ODS. Back in 2010 I posted a comic about Obama suffocating haf the countryz GoPs by declaring "breathing iz good". It wuz set in the future - 2016.
Considering everything that haz happened, its not that far fetched! I dare Obama to test it!
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Obama doubled our national debt and the only "jobs" that were "recovered" in the last 8 years were part time, minimum-wage jobs now held by people who used to be able to support a family with real jobs, or people who just completely left the workforce like me and are no longer a statistic they track....
Nobody but the truly Privilged White people will revere Obama as a great president. Not even ANY black people. He did NOTHING for Black People or Latin People. He actually deported more illegal Latinos that GWB did. One thing I actually agreed with him on although nowhere near the amount that should have happened. The only "Legacy" he has is Obamacare that is crushing middle income people, and Trump will strip it to bare bones if he doesn't just renig on what he said to appease idiot lefties like you and destroy it altogether.
I say this knowing full well that I will no longer have health insurance in my current position. I'm okay with that. It's not right that I have insurance while my Niece's parents pay 6k per year more with twice the deductible to cover my free insurance.
I said 10 years ago here that GWB was the worst president we EVER had.
Not even considering how little respect any foreign countries have for us now, but just for how much he spent with such little results for the middle class. Not to mention that Race Relations have been set back 50 years under 8 years of Obama. Blacks and Whites have not lived under this much tension since the 60's.
Obama was so much worse. He makes GWB look like JFK.
Because he is Black, nobody will talk about him at all in school 30 years from now. He will be among the 30+ "invisible" presidents we never discuss in public school.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Discuss Nixon much in school? Was Obama worse than Nixon?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Obama was so much worse. He makes GWB look like JFK.
Because he is Black, nobody will talk about him at all in school 30 years from now. He will be among the 30+ "invisible" presidents we never discuss in public school.
With a phone call, private citizen Nixon wrecked foreign relations with Vietnam before his inauguration and gave the USA four more years of war. Read the details here www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-viet
nam-treason#
Before Trump is inaugurated, he is wrecking foreign relations with China. Read the details here:
Obama Warned Trump about the risk of messing with China on Taiwan
by Max de Haldevang
http://qz.com/865705/obama-explains-the-risk-of-trumps-messing-with-ch
ina-on-taiwan/
If China hadn’t provided warning enough to Donald Trump by seizing an American vessel in the South China Sea and threatening sanctions on an unnamed US automaker, president Obama had clear advice at a press conference today: think things through before you mess with Taiwan.
It’s not clear how much foreign policy issues have come up in Obama and Trump’s regular phone calls, but the president’s clearly spelled-out message seems to imply his successor is yet to fully grasp China’s vision of itself, or of the way negotiations play out with a global superpower. The quote is worth reading in full:
“Understand that with China, the issue of Taiwan is as important as anything on their docket. The idea of ‘one China’ is at the heart of their conception as a nation. And so if you are going to upend this understanding, you have to have thought through what the consequences are, because the Chinese will not treat that the way they will treat some other issues. This goes to the core of how they see themselves, and their reaction on this issue could end up being very significant. That doesn’t mean you have to adhere to everything that’s been done in the past…it does mean that you have to think it through.”
If you look at that in context with a statement from the same press conference, you can get an idea of how little Trump might have gamed out his tactics on China: “Since there’s only one president a time, my advice to him is that, before he starts having a lot of interaction with foreign governments, beyond the usual courtesy calls, he should have his full team in place,” Obama said.
The overall message is: it’s your foreign policy but make damn sure you know what steps two, three, four and down to twenty are before going straight for the motherload from the word “go.” Because this isn’t Manhattan real estate, it’s an ancient country with a strong sense of identity and a lot of tools at its disposal, beginning with the kinds of cyber-attacks it’s been prying away with for years.
Instead, the way Trump’s acted so far has been the real world equivalent of his reported advice to a US official in 1990 on how to strike a “great deal” with the Soviets on nuclear arms: “Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, ‘Fuck you!,'” the New Yorker‘s Evan Osnos reported earlier this year.
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If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians, even Yankee factory workers in Indiana- SECOND
AND YOU WONDER WHY HILLARY LOST????
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Trump ran a pro-Russian presidential campaign, benefited from the efforts of Russian hackers
Quote:Why? What American interests does this cross? I have asked over and what our AMERICAN interests are and yanno what?? NONE OF YOU KNOWS. But If you could figure our what our actual interests are, you'd be a lot less likely be be spun around by our elites and their fake news. Please, think long and hard what our AMERICAN interests are before you start getting all hysterical about
and then reached outside the box of normal candidates to select a secretary of state who has personal relationships with high-ranking Russian officials, financial investments in Russia, and a record of pro-Russian policy views. Trump wants Tillerson to run the State Department because he wants a top diplomat who’ll make an improved relationship with Russia a top priority — achieved largely through unilateral US concessions on sanctions and de facto recognition of a Russian sphere of influence in Eastern Europe.
This may be a bad idea
"Russia".
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but it’s not a crazy or nonsensical one. And it appears to be how Trump intends to put his stamp on American public policy, even while leaving domestic policy overwhelmingly in the hands of orthodox, establishment-minded Republicans. The question for GOP senators is whether they want to stop Trump and Tillerson.- SECOND
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
"If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would.- SECOND"
You're suffering from the various stages of grief including bargaining, denial, and anger, all at once
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Quote:When you use "our AMERICAN interests", who do think believes you are American? Your obsession, and 1kiki’s, with Russia makes everyone at Fireflyfans, except 1kiki and maybe 6ixStringJack, think you’re Russian. No Americans care about Russia, but they do care that Trump is obsessed with Putin and Putin is sneaking stolen emails to Trump. Is Putin blackmailing Trump? Although he never shuts up, Trump is so secretive about his business that we can only guess.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Please, think long and hard what our AMERICAN interests are before you start getting all hysterical about "Russia".
Trump can talk more about himself and say less than any other American politician. I do wish Trump’s accountant would talk about Trump’s tax returns or his foreign business dealings or his conflict of interest between what is best for the Trump family fortune and best for the USA, etc. because Trump is not talking.
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Please, think long and hard what our AMERICAN interests are before you start getting all hysterical about "Russia". - SIGNY
When you use "our AMERICAN interests", who do think believes you are American?-SECOND
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Your obsession, and 1kiki’s, with Russia makes everyone at Fireflyfans, except 1kiki and maybe 6ixStringJack, think you’re Russian.- SECOND
I'm not the one posting endlessly about Russia; I leave that to you, KRAPO (who's British) and GSTRING. In fact, that's what pisses you all off: I don't post about Russia.
I just refuse to get on that recently-concocted anti-Russian bandwagon, because it sure smells a lot like the anti-Iraq bandwagon, and the anti-Vietnam bandwagon, and every anti-(fill in the blank) bandwagon that the USA elites wanted to go to war with: full of shit.
Well, I don't give a crap about "Russia" unless it impacts our interests, and neither should you.
Quote:Then why do you keep bringing it up?
No Americans care about Russia
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but they do care that Trump is obsessed with Putin and Putin is sneaking stolen emails to Trump.
HAHAHAHA!
You're grasping at straws, SECOND. You have used every negative meme you can think of to discredit Trump, from pictures of Trump struck by lightening to Trump as a pervert to "hacked elections" to "faithless electors" and pretty much every bit of flotsam that came your way. Now you're grasping at the "...but Putin!" straw. The only thing you haven't posted yet is your secret wish that someone would assassinate Trump, and OH! You'd be in so much trouble if you did! Tomorrow the Electoral College votes, and it looks like none of your attempts to rewrite history will work.
So take a deep breath. Down several of your favorite alcoholic beverages and contemplate why YOU'RE so anti-American. Here's a reminder of your anti-Americanism:
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If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians, even Yankee factory workers in Indiana- SECOND
Clearly, you don't care about "America". You can't even think of "Americans" without some sort of hyphenated-precious-identity subgroup on it, yanno "gay Americans" or "black Americans" or "Hispanic Americans". As far as all of us having common interests, that concept is so foreign to you you can't even imagine what should draw us all together.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
"If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would.- SECOND"
You're suffering from the various stages of grief including bargaining, denial, and anger, all at once
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What Do Trump Voters Want?
Paul Krugman on the disconnect between what Trump voters think they want and reality.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/what-do-trump-voters-want/
There is the widespread belief by, well, almost everyone, that they are entitled to — have earned — whatever good hand they have been dealt by the market economy. This is reflected in the more or less universal belief of the affluent that they deserve what they have; you could see this in the rage of rentiers at low interest rates, because it’s the Fed’s job to reward savers, right? In this terrible political year, the story was in part one of people in Appalachia angrily demanding a return of the good jobs they used to have mining coal — even though the world doesn’t want more coal given fracking, and it can get the coal it still wants from strip mines and mountaintop removal, which don’t employ many people.
What those longing for the return to coal want is those jobs they deserve, where they earn their money — not government handouts, no sir.
A fact-constrained candidate wouldn’t have been able to promise such people what they want; Trump, of course, had no problem.
But is that really all there is? Working-class Trump voters do, in fact, receive a lot of government handouts — they’re almost totally dependent on Social Security for retirement, Medicare for health care when old, are quite dependent on food stamps, and many have recently received coverage from Obamacare. Quite a few receive disability payments too. They don’t want those benefits to go away. But they managed to convince themselves (with a lot of help from Fox News etc) that they aren’t really beneficiaries of government programs, or that they’re not getting the “good welfare”, which only goes to Those People.
And you can really see this in the regional patterns. California is an affluent state, a heavy net contributor to the federal budget; it went 2-1 Clinton. West Virginia is poor and a huge net recipient of federal aid; it went 2½-1 Trump.
And an interesting comment on Krugman’s item that is is almost as long as what Krugman wrote:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/what-do-trump-voters-want/
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I think it's easy to see an angry coal miner as selfish when we should be seeing him as afraid.
People want to be able to eat, have a house, and provide for their kids' future, but they also want status within their community. Status these days might be misinterpreted as something like winning "The Apprentice," with all that gaudiness, but I think it really is the ability to feel good about one's place. And, as we've seen in studies with other primates, loss of status (or never having it in the first place) is like a little death. I think, actually, that some people would rather die, or kill others and the nation, than suffer that kind of loss.
Look at those 700 people who work for Carrier. I saw that deal as welfare by another name, or Socialism. But, as contradictory as I thought it was - given Republican principles - it showed Trump's base that he could maintain their status, for at least a little longer. People were allowed to keep feeding their families without SNAP, and they were allowed to keep engaging their brains without going to a gov't training center. Is it a fiction? I guess. But the citizens of Indiana helped those people for at least a little bit longer. Should it matter that the money flowed through Carrier's books to the employees, instead of directly through the local welfare office?
Welfare is well being. It has to be more than just debit and insurance cards.
Barb Valaw wrote:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/what-do-trump-voters-want/
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I recently had lunch at an Olive Garden in Pennsylvania. It is part of a county which has a large number of towns formerly dependent on coal mining which are now beaten down. Two men sat in the booth behind me who were clearly Trump voters. One said to the other that he would normally not e
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SECOND, calm down. I can hear your head exploding all the way over here.
Paul Krugman, stawmanning his way through an entire article.
I don't know what "Trump voters" want, but I know what I want: Three things.
1) Stop trying to foment war with Russia. Come up with some sort of modus vivendi that allows each of us to have our essential interests respected. Restore national sovereignty over our foreign policy. End our pointless concocted wars for Saudi Arabia or Israel or the elite EU bankers.
2) Start solving the illegal immigration problem. Restore national sovereignty over our borders.
3) Get out of TPP/ TTIP, and tear up NAFTA as much as possible. Restore national economic sovereignty.
Three things. It looks like TPP and TTIP are already dead. It looks like Trump is serious about not being on a escalating ramp-up to war with Russia. The rest is to be demonstrated.
Everything else, I'm willing to fight Trump at every level of government. Now, let me explain my rationale for voting the way I did: It will be far easier to fight Trump and the Republicans than it would be to fight some secret international "trade tribunal" on environmental and economic issues. If you think fighting Trump is going to be difficult - and it will be - imagine what it would be like if your local or state regulations were overturned by the TPP or TTIP because they might interfere with normal or expected transnational profits. Where would you turn then? (The answer is: Nowhere. You'd be as fucked as a whore in a whorehouse.)
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
"If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would.- SECOND"
You're suffering from the various stages of grief including bargaining, denial, and anger, all at once
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