TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!
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not once in all recorded history did Indiana factory workers send aid to Texas or anywhere else in the South for the suffering Black workers living in poverty with little hope. If Signym can find an example where Indiana factory workers did send monetary aid, or even free hope, let me know.
Why so restrictive, SECOND? Are you saying that no person from any northern, southern, western or eastern state crossed a state border to participate in the Civil Rights movement at any time? Are you saying that no person ever crossed a state border to help someone else? Are you claiming that no person ever donated to a mission or disaster in another state to help the people there? Because that would be foolish, if that's what you're claiming. (Good luck with convincing Americans to care about other Americans having factory jobs in another state.)
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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1kiki, you won't find a line item in any state's budget in any year since the USA was founded for helping another state. For example, there is nothing in Texas' budget to help the welfare of unemployed Indiana factory workers.
There is nothing in any budget in any state to help any people in another state. And there never has been help. 1kiki, think about that kind of stinginess, which has gone on for centuries. The States of the USA are NOT good neighbors. States do NOT help other states.
It is the Federal government that includes money in its budget to help states in trouble. The states refuse to help, perhaps out of principle. Or maybe the states have always been run by Scrooge.
In the bad old days, before the Great Depression, a rich state such as NY or CA would let a poor state (Mississippi) and its people suffer and die. No help was ever coming, except private charity at erratic intervals. And Americans thought that was right and proper in 1926. There is a political party in 2016 that still thinks it is proper for poor people to suffer and die.
Does 1kiki know about that political party? That party does very well in state and local elections because Americans agree with its philosophy of everything for me and nothing for you out-of-state strangers.
I can see why that political party does well. It is appealing to know that your tax money will never go to people in another state. Or to people you don't like, even if they live in your state.
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not once in all recorded history did Indiana factory workers send aid to Texas or anywhere else in the South for the suffering Black workers living in poverty with little hope. If Signym can find an example where Indiana factory workers did send monetary aid, or even free hope, let me know.
Why so restrictive, SECOND? Are you saying that no person from any northern, southern, western or eastern state crossed a state border to participate in the Civil Rights movement at any time? Are you saying that no person ever crossed a state border to help someone else? Are you claiming that no person ever donated to a mission or disaster in another state to help the people there? Because that would be foolish, if that's what you're claiming. (Good luck with convincing Americans to care about other Americans having factory jobs in another state.)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The End Of The TV Illusion And The Coming Of Plain Old, Ugly Reality
Europe’s populist parties are actually populist; they pursue policies that really do help workers, as long as those workers are the right color and ethnicity. As someone put it, they’re selling a herrenvolk welfare state. Law and Justice, Poland’s ruling populist party, has raised minimum wages and reduced the retirement age; France’s National Front advocates the same things.
Trump, however, is different. He said lots of things on the campaign trail, but his personnel choices indicate that in practice he’s going to be a standard hard-line economic-right Republican. His Congressional allies are revving up to dismantle Obamacare, privatize Medicare, and raise the retirement age. His pick for Labor Secretary is a fast-food tycoon who loathes minimum wage hikes. And his pick for top economic advisor is the king of trickle-down.
So in what sense is Trump a populist? Basically, he plays one on TV — he claims to stand for the common man, disparages elites, trashes political correctness; but it’s all for show. When it comes to substance, he’s pro-elite all the way.
He managed to get away with this in the election. But that was all big talk. What happens when reality begins to hit? Repealing Obamacare will inflict huge harm on precisely the people who were most enthusiastic Trump supporters — people who somehow believed that their benefits would be left intact. What happens when they realize their mistake?
Given history, what we can count on is a massive effort to spin the coming working-class devastation as somehow being the fault of liberals, and for all I know it might work.
And the indicated political strategy is clear: make Trump and company own all the hardship they’re about to inflict. No cooperation in devising an Obamacare replacement; no votes for Medicare privatization and increasing the retirement age. No bipartisan cover for the end of the TV illusion and the coming of plain old, ugly reality.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/reality-tv-populism
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"1kiki, you won't find a line item in any state's budget in any year since the USA was founded for helping another state."
This was your original claim: "Good luck with convincing Americans to care about other Americans having factory jobs in another state."
Do you see anything there are state budgets? No? Neither do I.
I'm sorry you're too dishonest to have a discussion with.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Quote:“Dishonest” is probably not the word. “Tired” is probably the word you need as in the sentence “second is too tired to have a discussion with. Second won’t explain over and over with greater and greater clarity until the dumb 1kiki makes the connection.”
Originally posted by 1kiki:
SECOND
Do you see anything there are state budgets? No? Neither do I.
I'm sorry you're too dishonest to have a discussion with.
I’ve got one more example where American generosity ends at the state line. I think those state lines act as boundaries of Americans' willingness to help other Americans. Trump took advantage of that feature of America by making big promises that Congress will not allow him keep because a Congressman’s generosity also stops at his state line, whichever state he was elected from.
West Virginia versus Virginia. One is poor, the other rich. The two states were once The Same State. Does all that history of togetherness mean nothing? It means nothing. Virginia sends no aid to W Virginia. There is no generosity flowing across that state line. If government help is coming from outside the state, it will come from the Federal government. There will be no help from rich Virginia, other than sporadic charity from individual Virginians.
Once upon a time, the plantation owners in the eastern part of Virginia owned slaves, while the western portion of the state did not. So Virginia put an imaginary line on the map dividing it into east and west in 1861. That line became a wall that was worth killing to defend. Rich Virginia never looked back and it certainly never again helped poor West Virginia out of poverty.
Today the poverty line very clearly runs along the Virginia state line. Hot pink marks poor counties in America. Trump took advantage of the hot pink areas. He made promises that the Fed will fix what the neighboring states don’t want to fix:
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/12/raw-data-where-poor-are
There is an idea I am pitching to you to explain why Indiana factory workers aren’t getting all the help they need from Texas, why Republicans win a majority of governorships and legislatures, why Americans are always ready to listen to the ideas that Obamacare, Medicare and Social Security need to be “saved” by cutting back on expenditures to those programs. It even explains why the Presidency keeps switching back and forth between Democrats and Republicans.
What is my major idea, which 1kiki will shoot down as a lie? That the majority of Americans are neither caring nor generous to their neighbors in other states. That the majority of Americans will see disastrous problems in other states (even within their state) and will let those problems run their course to whatever awful destination. And the Republican party owes its success to letting that awful destiny happen without government stepping in, spending money, and stopping whatever doom is heading this way.
It is the Republican Party specialty to not see problems, not see solutions and not to help. Which is perfectly fine with most Americans who don’t see any problems but their own small and personal ones. Most Americans do not want their taxes spent to help someone other than themselves. That is the soil from which grows the local and state power of the Republican party.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Donald Trump Is Gaslighting America
www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trump-is-gaslighting-america
In this scorched-earth op-ed, Lauren Duca takes on Trump's systematic attempts to destabilize the truth and weaken the foundation of American freedom.
Gaslighting comes from a 1944 film called Gaslight, in which a husband attempts to drive his wife crazy. The husband (the trump in play) ends by being executed for murder and the wife, Ingrid Bergman, lives happily ever after.
Lauren Duca
Dec 10, 2016 11:40AM EST
The CIA officially determined that Russia intervened in our election, and President-elect Donald Trump dismissed the story as if it were a piece of fake news. "These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," his transition team wrote in a statement. "The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again'."
It wasn't one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history, so presumably that's another red-herring lie to distract from Trump treating the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States like it is some rogue blogger to be cast to the trolls. A foreign government's interference in our election is a threat to our freedom, and the President-elect's attempt to undermine the American people's access to that information undermines the very foundation upon which this country was built. It's also nothing new.
Trump won the Presidency by gas light. His rise to power has awakened a force of bigotry by condoning and encouraging hatred, but also by normalizing deception. Civil rights are now on trial, though before we can fight to reassert the march toward equality, we must regain control of the truth. If that seems melodramatic, I would encourage you to dump a bucket of ice over your head while listening to “Duel of the Fates." Donald Trump is our President now; it’s time to wake up.
"Gas lighting" is a buzzy name for a terrifying strategy currently being used to weaken and blind the American electorate. We are collectively being treated like Bella Manningham in the 1938 Victorian thriller from which the term "gas light" takes its name. In the play, Jack terrorizes his wife Bella into questioning her reality by blaming her for mischievously misplacing household items which he systematically hides. Doubting whether her perspective can be trusted, Bella clings to a single shred of evidence: the dimming of the gas lights that accompanies the late night execution of Jack’s trickery. The wavering flame is the one thing that holds her conviction in place as she wriggles free of her captor’s control.
To gas light is to psychologically manipulate a person to the point where they question their own sanity, and that’s precisely what Trump is doing to this country. He gained traction in the election by swearing off the lies of politicians, while constantly contradicting himself, often without bothering to conceal the conflicts within his own sound bites. He lied to us over and over again, then took all accusations of his falsehoods and spun them into evidence of bias.
At the hands of Trump, facts have become interchangeable with opinions, blinding us into arguing amongst ourselves, as our very reality is called into question.
There is a long list of receipts when it comes to Trump's lies. With the help of PolitiFact, clear-cut examples of deception include Trump saying that he watched thousands of people cheering on 9/11 in Jersey City (police say there's no evidence of this), that the Mexican government forces immigrants into the U.S. (no evidence), that there are "30 or 34 million" immigrants in this country (there are 10 or 11 million), that he never supported the Iraq War (he told Howard Stern he did), that the unemployment rate is as high as "42 percent" (the highest reported rate is 16.4 percent), that the U.S. is the highest taxed country in th
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SECOND does a great job of 'moving the goalposts', which is a logical fallacy and dishonest argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
Tell me, SECOND, which argument are you making? The one where Americans don't care about other Americans? The one where Texans don't care about anyone else? The one where Americans don't care about factory workers specifically? The one about states' budgets? Or what?
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Americans want cheap goods more than they want to help American factory workers get a job
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If Americans gave a damn about other Americans, they wouldn’t act as they do. To be more particular, I’d say there is plenty of empirical proof that Americans do not give a damn about American factory workers because Americans don’t check for the country of origin of their purchases
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Good luck with convincing Americans to care about other Americans having factory jobs in another state.
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If you aren't aware, Texans don't have much concern for the well-being of Yankees or Californians ...
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You best look at the ACE Hardware labels for Chinese goods.
1kiki, I thought you and Trump were deeply concerned about factory jobs?
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Does it disturb 1kiki's view of Americans that Texans don't feel that Trump voters in West Virginians are family? And Texans won't willing pay more to create jobs for people they never met in states that are far away?
Quote:After I countered with examples of people crossing state lines to participate in the Civil Rights movement, of crossing state lines to volunteer, and of donating to help people in another state after a natural disaster, SECOND post-edited it to read
1kiki, you could just as easily ask why nobody did anything to protect Blacks after Southern Reconstruction collapsed in 1877. My answer would be that the vast majority of Americans after 1877 did NOT share the values of 2016's Democratic Party toward blacks.
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1kiki, you could just as easily ask why nobody did anything to protect Blacks after Southern Reconstruction collapsed in 1877 until 1964. My answer would be that the vast majority of Americans between 1877 and 1964 did NOT share the values of 2016's Democratic Party toward blacks.
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If you're also not aware, factory workers in Indiana did not have much concern for the well-being of blacks in Texas from 1877 to 2016. Indifference runs both from the North toward the South and South to North.
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The states don't help each other. Occasionally the Feds help states when their neighboring states won't.
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1kiki, you won't find a line item in any state's budget in any year since the USA was founded for helping another state. For example, there is nothing in Texas' budget to help the welfare of unemployed Indiana factory workers.
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I’ve got one more example where American generosity ends at the state line.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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AT THE MOMENT, WHO is DOING SOMETHING to mitigate what Trump might do?
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/15/elizabeth-warren-leads-democrats-push-
to-block-donald-trumps-conflicts-of-interests-by-invoking-emoluments-clause-of-constitution/
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Quote:These are all true without argument. Let's move on to your "Or what?"
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Tell me, SECOND, which argument are you making? The one where Americans don't care about other Americans? The one where Texans don't care about anyone else? The one where Americans don't care about factory workers specifically? The one about states' budgets? Or what?
I've heard it said that Trump may represent some approximation of Nietzsche's ubermensch, and I think that's deeply mistaken. But the reasons why it's mistaken can help us think about what Trump actually is. First, it's wrong because Trump represents everything Nietzsche hated. The philistinism, the mediocrity, the worshipping of money for its own sake — this is exactly the opposite of what Nietzsche advocated. By ubermensch, Nietzsche meant someone who could live beyond good and evil, beyond conventional values, who refused to appeal to herd instincts.
There's a passage in Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra in which he talks about the ubermensch, and I think it's quite relevant. Zarathustra, the protagonist, comes down from his mountain retreat and tells the people in the town square that he's going to teach them about the ubermensch, about what mankind should become, and the people are having none of it. They don't want to hear that they’ve stopped believing in God; that life is chaos; that nothing lasts; that they’re living in illusion.
Zarathustra realizes the people are too decadent to hear this and so he decides instead to teach them about the "Last Man." And the “Last Man” is the kind of person who doesn't want to think, who fears progress, who is risk-averse and desirous of comfort, who just wants everything to stay the same. Of course, the people erupt in joy when they hear this because this is what they really want.
This is what Trump is to me. This is what he represents. He's a kind of "Last Man" demagogue, telling the people that he's going make things great again, which is to say simple and how they once were — and they love him for it.
For Nietzsche, the celebration of a man like Trump was the inevitable result of a democratic culture built on the virtues of ignorance and self-fulfillment.
Nietzsche spent a lot of time thinking about decadence and resentment, and how it manifests in society. For Nietzsche, culture has to do with overcoming yourself, and anything that is static and non-moving is the death of culture. All this nostalgia and looking back you see from Trump supporters is poisonous to culture for Nietzsche because it stunts any possibility of progress.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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"Tell me, SECOND, which argument are you making? The one where Americans don't care about other Americans?" Is this true? These are all true without argument. I hope you realize your beliefs - or should I say propaganda - is irrelevant compared to the facts of the real world.
Quote:As another example, many people crossed state lines and race lines to participate in the Civil Rights movement.
Americans donated generously after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
9% of online users – or 13 million people – donated online for Katrina and Rita relief; The number of online donors is up 53% overall since January 2005
http://www.pewinternet.org/2005/11/24/13-million-americans-made-donati
ons-online-after-hurricanes-katrina-and-rita/
I could also mention the many union organizers who crossed state lines to help others unionize for better pay and working conditions.
So this statement - Americans don't care about other Americans -is, by the evidence of historical facts, proven wrong.
That makes YOUR assertion - that all statements are true - equally wrong.
In any case, since you freely claim things that are obviously untrue, and that are also easily demonstrated to be untrue, I'm not going to bother continuing. Btw, I hope you realize that out of all your posts, I scroll past your regurgitation of other people's opinions, and when it comes to your personal posts, I only go up to the first lie. Which means I probably scroll past 95% of them at a minimum.
It's too bad you're too dishonest for adult, rational discussion. I'm just curious why, in this particular discussion, a presumably sane person such as yourself would hew to a line of thought so patently divergent from reality and so easily shown to be untrue.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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