450 posts IS a worse crime than wanting to kill us .
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No...I'm saying we chose waterboarding over extinguishing the Arab race in nuclear fire. A choice they would not have made given the means and opportunity.
Right there you're claiming that "the Arab race", given means and opportunity, would choose to extinguish us in nuclear fire.
You say we choose NOT to extinguish them, and then say that is not the choice THEY would make given the means and opportunity. You didn't say "the terrorists"; you didn't say "the Iraqis" or "Al Qaeda" or "Iran" - you SAID "THE ARAB RACE".
To say that you didn't say this is a lie. And to see you trying to weasle out of it now is pathetic. Own it. Man up, tough guy.
Own up to it or parse the statement...how about both.
In an earlier post I noted that the dialogue was about how we are not as bad as "them", "them" being terrorists...who are mentioned throughout the dialogue long before and after I incorporated the term "Arab race". (I note for the record that terrorists have killed far more Arabs then they have Americans...far more then even Americans have killed in two Iraq wars and the occaisonal bombing of whoever).
But suppose the statement is read your way...without the kneejerk reaction to the word "race" or someone daring to paint with broad strokes in a world of political correctness.
Arab race...would the Arab race given the power we have...that is the power to destroy America without fear of military retaliation...would they do it? Yes, I believe they would, although this topic may be worthy of a seperate dialogue wherin I defend my position and the rest of you try to convince me I'm wrong (which is the point of dialogue).
Make no mistake, most Arabs would not want to destroy America...but they would because their present culture is dominated by extremists who rule with terror and act without conscience. The will of the majority of Arabs is meaningless because they are ruled by a radical and violent minority. In the hands of peace loving, God fearing Arabs we could trust our safety...the problem is finding them before they are murdered and the weapons placed in the hands of those who would use them.
Therefore I stand by my statement...both as part of this dialogue and the alternate reading by those of you who either came late or lack the attention span to engage in the whole discussion.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Own up to it or parse the statement...how about both.
Well, yeah - I can see that. If I were to "parse" your statement and read it just the way you wrote it, I can see where it might come across as racist.
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, yeah - I can see that. If I were to "parse" your statement and read it just the way you wrote it, I can see where it might come across as racist.
Fair enough...although I think crying "racism" is just a cover for an inability to argue the point.
Why don't you just own up to that? Here:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I lack the ability to argue in a rational manner.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, yeah - I can see that. If I were to "parse" your statement and read it just the way you wrote it, I can see where it might come across as racist.
Fair enough...although I think crying "racism" is just a cover for an inability to argue the point.
Is THAT why you accused me of racism a bit further up this thread? I wondered why that was. Guess it was because you were beaten - badly - and could no longer argue your case.
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Why don't you just own up to that? Here:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I lack the ability to argue in a rational manner.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
Now we're manufacturing evidence, are we? About what I'd expect from a cheap, no-talent civil servant like yourself.
And note the irony of a fabricated "quote" about lacking the ability to argue rationally.
Here's a REAL quote for you:
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Originally posted by Hero:
I voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with it.
How do ya like them apples?
Mike
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Hello,
I think summing up the whole of a people is difficult, especially when talking about 'arabs' who live in multiple countries with multiple slants on philosophy. It would be more akin to saying that all Europeans felt the same way about something, which defies belief unless you're talking about the sky being blue.
However, a good argument could probably be made that, if put to a vote, there are several mid-eastern nations who would vote YES to U.S. eradication.
A good argument could probably also be made that, if put to a vote, there are several U.S. states who would vote YES to various Mid-East country eradications.
Especially if it could be 'magical.' Like, push a button and the undesired nation will just magically disappear without nuclear muss and fuss.
You'll find a lot of groups of people in a lot of places that would like to see a lot of other groups of people just 'go away.'
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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I think summing up the whole of a people is difficult, especially when talking about 'arabs' who live in multiple countries with multiple slants on philosophy. It would be more akin to saying that all Europeans felt the same way about something, which defies belief unless you're talking about the sky being blue.
Yes, but first you'd have to lump them all together even further by claiming that "the European race" is this way or that way.
Mike
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I thought one of the main reasons we got into the war in Iraq was because Saddam was such a murderous bastard who happily tortured his many, many enemies. ie What he did was wrong. Well it was okay when he was on our side, then it didn't matter about the Kurds, but when he made the oil thing difficult, then he was a murdering torturing bastard, which is wrong when someone else, ie your enemy is doing it, but okay when you are doing it.
Morality has become such a movable feast.
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Morality has become such a movable feast.
Tastes like chicken!
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Well it was okay when he was on our side, then it didn't matter about the Kurds, but when he made the oil thing difficult, then he was a murdering torturing bastard...
Your forgetting the Soviet Union and Iran...turns out the '80s where far more complex then Saddam simply being 'on our side'.
I would argue that Saddam was not 'on our side' he was merely against Iran...something that allowed him to play both the US and the Soviets for sympathy and support (both of which they gave for fear they would lose him to the other side). After the collapse of the Soviet Union...we were able to make more value judgements in our international dealings.
In 1990, Iran was no real threat, the Soviets were no longer a competing interest, and Iraq was at a crossroads. I suspect that had Saddam invaded Iran a second time...rather then Kuwait...he'd have gotten a different international reaction.
The invasion of Kuwait was a strategic blunder that came from misreading the change in the international balance of power and his own relationship with the West. Had it been me I'd have taken the collapse of the Soviet empire as an opportunity to buy large amounts of low cost late generation soviet weapons and then tried to kick the crap out of Iran...who was buying large amounts of later generation soviet weapons and is now a much stronger regional power.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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I'd agree that things are complex...more so than most Neo Cons, who see the world in terms of good and evil, us and them. Of course the world political stage is full of compromises and strange bedfellows, which is why the West should stop the BS when it takes the moral high ground when and why it deals with 'international conflict'.
For example, Saddam using torture is wrong, but it gets sanctioned by Bush?
For example, Saddam [allegedly] possessing weapons of mass destruction invaded by US, the country which possesses most of the worlds weapons of mass destruction.
The whole basis for allowing those sort of contradictions is the whole 'good vs evil' concept. The US is good, so its allowed to do bad stuff in the name of good?
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