IMF to Kiev - fight for eastern Ukraine or die

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AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:58 PM

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Originally posted by MIKER:
Come on people address the threads topic please. And Putin has already lost *to big to count. The Ukrainians are beginning to hate the Russians.

Now you've gone and done it. You've incorrectly used 'to' instead of 'too'.

You entire existence is invalidated, because you're too stupid to even know grasp the basic usage rules pertaining to to, too, two.

Sorry. Thems the house rules here.

MIKER

Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:00 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by MIKER:
Come on people address the threads topic please. And Putin has already lost *to big to count. The Ukrainians are beginning to hate the Russians.

Now you've gone and done it. You've incorrectly used 'to' instead of 'too'.

You entire existence is invalidated, because you're too stupid to even know grasp the basic usage rules pertaining to to, too, two.

Sorry. Thems the house rules here.

I am so upset I can no longer stand myself. Please forgive. I am sure I only did it once and not to times.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:02 PM

M52-

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Miker was a lot closer in his statement than SIGNYM was in hers. So Miker was not right in what he said.

MIKER said "the whole world except Russia". Not "most of the world" or "the majority" but "the whole world except Russia". He says that because it makes him feel superior to think that everyone except Russia is on "his side". But MIKER was categorically wrong in his statment. That's what happens when people make global statements like "everyone", "always", "never", and "the whole world"... there are bound to be exceptions, and MIKER didn't account for a whole lot of them... apparently didn't even know about them.

So, to clarify, the whole world is NOT in "his side", specifically ... out of

193 member states
100 voted for
93 either voted against, abstained, or didn't vote.

In other words, it was 50/50. Which is what I said. So YOU better go a recalculate what YOU think of as 50/50, because the facts don't back you up, either.

OF the 93 nations which either voted no, abstained, or didn't vote, I find these interesting-
BRAZIL, CHINA, EGYPT, INDIA, PAKISTAN (India and Pakistan on the same side?), SOUTH AFRICA, IRAN, ISRAEL (Israel and Iran on the same side? I think Israel just doesn't like Neo-Nazis), OMAN and UNITED ARAB EMIRATES (you would think oil payments would be the tie that binds).

You can find the vote tally here
http://unbisnet.un.org:8080/ipac20/ipac.jsp?profile=voting&index=.
VM&term=ares68262

AFA Yanukovich "abandoning" his post, he stated FROM THE UKRAINE that he hadn't abandoned his post. And there is nothing that I could find in the Constitution about "abandon", "unable" (as in, "unable to perform duties") or anything else, so if you could please reference the subsection which allows such an action by the Rada, I would appreciate it.

Do you really fear the ignorance of man? Maybe what you should really fear is the "rationalizing" man... a person who twists facts to suit his or her own purposes.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:06 PM

MIKER...

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I don't understand what you are asking. The quote has no frame of reference or who's quote it is in your post and what you posted that I am speaking about in right there in my post.I also see you like to cut and paste a lot as though they are your words.

Huh? I wasn't responding to you, I was repsonding to KPO, who had just posted. (Please look up). Also, when I quote somebody- which I did in this case quote KPO- I use the "QUOTE" function to indicate a quote. I have no idea what you're refering to, as I did not cut and paste to claim as my words, simply quoted another person to show what I'm responding to.

USUALLY, I indicate who I'm talking to in a particular post by writing their name in CAPITAL LETTERS at the beginning of the relevant part, and when there are quotes from multiple people in one post, I inicate who wrote something by following the quote with -THEIR NAME. But in this case, it was a single quote and that other person will surely recognize their own statements.

Gosh, I'm not a spelling Nazi, please don't be an internet Nazi.

MIKER

Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:11 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
M52- MIKER said "the whole world except Russia". Not "most of the world" or "the majority" but "the whole world except Russia". He says that because it makes him feel superior to think that everyone except Russia is on "his side". But MIKER was categorically wrong in his statment. That's what happens when people make global statements like "everyone", "always", "never", and "the whole world"... there are bound to be exceptions, and MIKER didn't account for a whole lot of them... apparently didn't even know about them.

So, to clarify, the whole world is NOT in "his side", specifically ... out of

193 member states
100 voted for
93 either voted against, abstained, or didn't vote.

In other words, it was 50/50. Which is what I said. So YOU better go a recalculate what YOU think of as 50/50, because the facts don't back you up, either.

OF the 93 nations which either voted no, abstained, or didn't vote, I find these interesting-
BRAZIL, CHINA, EGYPT, INDIA, PAKISTAN (India and Pakistan on the same side?), SOUTH AFRICA, IRAN, ISRAEL (Israel and Iran on the same side? I think Israel just doesn't like Neo-Nazis), OMAN and UNITED ARAB EMIRATES (you would think oil payments would be the tie that binds).

You can find the vote tally here
http://unbisnet.un.org:8080/ipac20/ipac.jsp?profile=voting&index=.
VM&term=ares68262

AFA Yanukovich "abandoning" his post, he stated FROM THE UKRAINE that he hadn't abandoned his post. And there is nothing that I could find in the Constitution about "abandon", "unable" (as in, "unable to perform duties") or anything else, so if you could please reference the subsection which allows such an action by the Rada, I would appreciate it.

I stand by what I said. Some of the worlds leaders will only talk behind closed doors because they have contracts with Russia and can't afford to piss him off. That is the way the world works, and many are too small to confront him. Other nations hate the west like Iran but they are not free nations. I am speaking about free nations. When you think of who supports Russia think contracts, money to lose. I also exclude socialist countries comrade.

The point is. Ukraine has a new government, Yeah

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:14 PM

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I stand by what I said.

Then you're sticking with your error. Okie dokie.

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Some of the worlds leaders will only talk behind closed doors because they have contracts with Russia and can't afford to piss him off. That is the way the world works, and many are too small to confront him.

And other nations hate the USA but can't afford to piss us off, because they hold contracts or dollars or have loans. Which is why I find it interesting that the BIGGEST nations either voted against us, or abstained. Clearly, they find their economic power to be useful in standing against the USA. And yes, that is the way the world works, you said so yourself.

I caught, earlier, a part of a post which you took down quickly, which went... I don't care about legality. Whether you say so explicitly or not, it's clear that you don't care about legality or democracy, all YOU care about is that the Ukraine "has a new government" ... by any means possible, as far as can tell.

MIKER

Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:23 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I stand by what I said.
Then you're sticking with your error. Okie dokie.
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Some of the worlds leaders will only talk behind closed doors because they have contracts with Russia and can't afford to piss him off. That is the way the world works, and many are too small to confront him.
And other nations hate the USA but can't afford to piss us off, because they hold contracts or dollars or have loans. Which is why I find it interesting that the BIGGEST nations either voted against us, or abstained. Clearly, they find their economic power to be useful in standing against the USA. And yes, that is the way the world works, you said so yourself.

Exactly, and here we get back to the thread. You are one of those haters. This goes right back to where you and I started. It was hard to get you back here.

I believe in what the United States and Europe stands for over Russia, Brazil and other socialist countries. That is why I am on this side of the argument.

You are arguing for the socialist point of view. Exactly what my post was about. There are three days of proof of that.

It is good to be back on track.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:30 PM

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I believe in what the United States and Europe stands for over Russia, Brazil and other socialist countries. That is why I am on this side of the argument.

I believe in what the USA stands for, too. But if you look at the Constitution (have you?) there is nothing in there about capitalism or bankers or the petrodollar...or socialism, for that matter. And if you take an unvarnished look at our history, you will hardly be able to find any nation (outside of WWII) that we have touched which didn't wind up POORER and under SOME FORM OF TYRANNY. In fact, we've made it a habit to destabilize democratically-elected governments everywhere, particularly if they promised their people land reform; or universal education and health care; threatened to nationalize "our" oil, copper, or bananas; planned to go off the petrodollar; or offered some geopolitical advantage vis a vis Russia. The Ukraine, which was a democratically-elected government, and which was planned to have elections again in 2015 ... and even earlier, as agreed to by Yanukovich... is now an appointed government which is at war with a significant minority of its population.

Happy now???

Yep, you betchya!

You don't believe in democracy or freedom, MIKER, you believe in capitalism.

MIKER

Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:49 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Posted by SIGYNM: believe in what the United States and Europe stands for over Russia, Brazil and other socialist countries. That is why I am on this side of the argument.

I believe in what the USA stands for, too. But if you look at the Constituion, there is nothing in there about capitalism or bankers or the petrodollar...or socialism, for that matter. And if you take an unvarnished look at our history, you will hardly be able to find any nation (outside of WWII) that we have touched which didn't wind up POORER and under SOME FORM OF TYRANNY. In fact, we've made it a habit to destabilize democratically-elected governments everywhere, particularly if they promised land reform; universal education and health care; threatened to nationalize "our" oil, copper, or bananas; planned to go off the petrodollar; or offered some geopolitical advantage vis a vis Russia. The Ukraine, which was a democratically-elected government, and which was planeed to have elections again in 2015 ... and even earlier, as agreed to by Yanukovich... is now an appointed government which is at war with a significant minority of its population.
Hoppy now?

Miker
I don't care what you post about your love of country. For three days you have been bashing the shit out of it in favor of the Russian point of view. That is where your heart is at.

You have taken the side of the socialist invader. All of your arguments are mirror imagines of Putin's. Right down to calling the Ukrainians fighting for control of their own country Fascists. Reread your opening post to this thread. It is an attack on this and other ally countries while saying nothing of the Russian invaders.

Sorry but you are a hater of America in my eyes. You have been relentless in calling them responsible for the newest aggressions in the Ukraine along with our other ally's. You are guilty of not only giving Putin a free ride, but you have also taken up his cause. You my dear along with your friend have been leading the charge.

I my self realize the complexities of the world, hope for the best and side with right when I can recognize it. I have little hope corruption is dead in Ukraine or that they will make a success of it. I just know they reached out to the west for help and I am glad we are responding.

A quote from you. It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 4, 2014 10:02 PM

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Right down to calling the Ukrainians fighting for control of their own country Fascists.

MIKER- I call the Ukrainian security administration "fascists" because they are self-avowed Neo-Nazis who quote Hilter. I hate to be the one to have to keep looking stuff up for you, but here is the head of the Svoboda Party, which has three important assignments in internal security apparatus

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I my self realize the complexities of the world, hope for the best and side with right when I can recognize it.

Your recognition of the complexities of the world seem to stop at the point where the United States goes around breaking nations for the helluvit. Which we seem to have a pretty consistent history of doing. Either we're terribly clumsy in implementing our avowed goals and have made the same "mistakes" four dozen times (but, who's counting??), or we're not really intervening for the reasons that we say that we are.

I think that the Ukraine will implode. The reason why I say that is because the IMF's loan requirements are the same as imposed on Greece... and look at how well THEY'RE doing. (not) Ukrainians wanted to join the west because they thought they would be better off. Now they're facing doubled gas prices, reduced pensions, a civil war, AND a draft. This is not what they signed up for! The Russian minority will become a persecuted one. And over time, as the new economic realities set in, people will become less and less happy.

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