IMF to Kiev - fight for eastern Ukraine or die
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UPDATED: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 17:17
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:MIKER- I call the Ukrainian security administration "fascists" because they are self-avowed Neo-Nazis who quote Hilter. I hate to be the one to have to keep looking stuff up for you, but here is the head of the Svoboda Party, which has three important assignments in internal security apparatus
Right down to calling the Ukrainians fighting for control of their own country Fascists.
You gleefully take a few stupid comments from the ignorant few to make your points seem valid.
What then about the Putin supporter who upon taking over a city in eastern Ukraine posted fliers demanding Jews register with the new government. I would in no why use this to paint with a broad brush all Ukrainian Russians as fascist bigots to make my point seem valid.
"The leaflet begins, “Dear Ukraine citizens of Jewish nationality,” and states that all Jews 16 or older must report to the Commissioner for Nationalities in the Donetsk Regional Administration to register".
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/17/jews-being-told-regist
er-ukrainian-city-john-kerry/
No, I don't believe for a minute you love this country.
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Quote:The ignorant few? You mean the leadership which uses the Nazi salute? Those ignorant few?
You gleefully take a few stupid comments from the ignorant few to make your points seem valid.
Quote:It hasn't been figured out whether this was done by a pro-Russian or an anti-Russian.
What then about the Putin supporter who upon taking over a city in eastern Ukraine posted fliers demanding Jews register with the new government. I would in no why use this to paint with a broad brush all Ukrainian Russians as fascist bigots to make your point.
MIKER, it's clear to me that you're belief-driven. You "believe" what the United States stands for - capitalism, apparently. Somehow, the Constitution got lost in the shuffle. But that's OK- so did the Ukraine's. You "believe" that I hate the United States, when nothing could be further from the truth. "Believe" then what you want; I've never found discussion with a true believer to be fruitful because even obvious facts become irrelevant.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:The ignorant few? You mean the leadership which uses the Nazi salute? Those ignorant few?
You gleefully take a few stupid comments from the ignorant few to make your points seem valid.Quote:It hasn't been figured out whether this was done by a pro-Russian or an anti-Russian.
What then about the Putin supporter who upon taking over a city in eastern Ukraine posted fliers demanding Jews register with the new government. I would in no why use this to paint with a broad brush all Ukrainian Russians as fascist bigots to make your point.
MIKER, it's clear to me that you're belief-driven. You "believe" what the United States stands for - capitalism, apparently. Somehow, the Constitution got lost in the shuffle. But that's OK- so did the Ukraine's. You "believe" that I hate the United States, when nothing could be further from the truth. "Believe" then what you want; I've never found discussion with a true believer to be fruitful because even obvious facts become irrelevant.
Bullshit: http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2014/01/23/the-85-richest-people
-in-the-world-have-as-much-wealth-as-the-3-5-billion-poorest/
Wrong but that is ok. I just wanted to get this thread back to what you started it as. An attack on the United States and it's Allies in the East. I have said it in many posts and believe I made my point.
I am on the side of the United States of America on this.
You are on the side of Putin and he Special Forces now raising havoc in the Ukraine.
Up with America and down with it's HATERS.
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You don't believe in democracy or freedom, MIKER, you believe in capitalism.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You don't believe in democracy or freedom, MIKER, you believe in capitalism.
Did you see the link I posted? I have grave concerns about the inequities in the world.
That said I will not let you change the topic away form the heading of the thread. Not again. If you want to talk about capitalism start a new thread. this one is about<
"It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia"............. REMEMBER THIS?
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Yes, it seems to me that they are.
At every step of the way, when this could have been reduced in scope ...
When Putin offered a tripartite trade agreement which the EU rejected because they wanted an EXCLUSIVE arrangment
When Yanukovych and the demonstrators agreed to early elections, which was abrogated by the demonstrators
When the eastern pro-Russians proposed a federalized system, rejected
When the IMF could have hung back, as it so often does when one of its debtors is undergoing internal strife, but instead put the pedal to the metal
... the West has seen a way to push this project foreward. Russians weren't in the Maidan handing out cookies, they weren't recorded picking and choosing the next government of Kiev, they didn't get involved until their base's security and lease arrangement got wobbly. That was well into the whole process. This is a western project.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, it seems to me that they are.
At every step of the way, when this could have been reduced in scope ...
When Putin offered a tripartite trade agreement which the EU rejected because they wanted an EXCLUSIVE arrangment
When Yanukovych and the demonstrators agreed to early elections, which was abrogated by the demonstrators
When the eastern pro-Russians proposed a federalized system, rejected
When the IMF could have hung back, as it so often does when one of its debtors is undergoing internal strife, but instead put the pedal to the metal
... the West has seen a way to push this project foreward. Russians weren't in the Maidan handing out cookies, they weren't recorded picking and choosing the next government of Kiev, they didn't get involved until their base's security and lease arrangement got wobbly. That was well into the whole process. This is a western project.
You are confusing business with covert operations. A majority of Ukrainians are tired of the corruption and living in poverty due to putting Russia first. They want better. To do this they recognized they need better ties to the EU and WEST.
This scared the shit out of Putin and he invaded. You can't fault the United States or EU for being more appealing that Russia, or for causing and escalating what is going on. PEROID
The United States has rejected nothing, The Ukrainian people have.
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I would point out that according to your logic, the people in countries like Saudi Arabia and North Korea can not over throw their governments because the law says so. It would be a coup and it would be breaking the countries laws. You call the Ukraine a democracy but the people recognized it was not. The same thing occurred in Egypt. They voted for someone to represent them in a democratic vote, and the first thing that leader did was ban everyone except his followers from constructing a new constitution. So they to are accused of overthrowing a democracy. It is very complicated stuff.
Sometimes you ga go for it.
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"You call the Ukraine a democracy but the people recognized it was not."
Do internationally praised free and fair elections constitute a democracy? Because that's how Yanukovych got his position.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/08/viktor-yanukovych-ukraine
-president-election
Yanukovych set to become president as observers say Ukraine election was fair
• Yulia Tymoshenko under pressure to concede defeat
• Monitors praise 'impressive display' of democracy
I haven't even started to read the posts from this morning. This was the first. And I'm not going to continue. You're as ignorant and partisan as they come- you might even give rappy a run for the money if you keep it up.
So, I'm not going to stick around for a reply, but I'll give you a word of advice (not that you'll take it, rappy didn't when he started down his delusional path either btw - is he your role model?) --- treat the 'news' you now accept as true as if it was an ad for a $105,000 car. Yanno, with a healthy dose of skepticism. Check out international news sources. Keep track of what they say one day versus the next. It doesn't take a whole lot (though it's far more than you've been managing, it seems) to catch them in inconsistencies and gaps.
Anyway, I have truly more important things to do than educate someone with self-inflicted ignorance.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"You call the Ukraine a democracy but the people recognized it was not."
Do internationally praised free and fair elections constitute a democracy? Because that's how Yanukovych got his position.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/08/viktor-yanukovych-ukraine
-president-election
Yanukovych set to become president as observers say Ukraine election was fair
• Yulia Tymoshenko under pressure to concede defeat
• Monitors praise 'impressive display' of democracy
I haven't even started to read the posts from this morning. This was the first. And I'm not going to continue. You're as ignorant and partisan as they come- you might even give rappy a run for the money if you keep it up.
So, I'm not going to stick around for a reply, but I'll give you a word of advice (not that you'll take it, rappy didn't when he started down his delusional path either btw) --- treat the 'news' you now accept as true as if it was an ad for a $105,000 car. Yanno, with a healthy dose of skepticism. Check out international news sources. keep track of what they say one day versus the next. It doesn't take a whole lot (though it's far more than you've been managing, it seems) to catch them in inconsistencies and gaps.
Anyway, I have truly more important things to do than educate a someone with self-inflicted ignorance.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
Great, because according to you, once a country has a democratic election and has a piece of paper called a constitution the people can not rise up and overthrow the government, even if the government in place stops representing the people and doesn't abide by it. It is against the law. That is your argument and it is crap. Nothing biased or incorrect about that.
Funny how you see biased in what I write and not in the title of this thread, or its opening and ensuing remarks?
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