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IMF to Kiev - fight for eastern Ukraine or die
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Monday, May 5, 2014 2:10 AM
Mr52
We could get past the argument if you could bring yourself to say that in a democratically run country with free and fair elections, and one scheduled to occur, there's no legitimate reason to have an armed coup.
But you can't bring yourself to that point.
Goodbye to you too.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Monday, May 5, 2014 2:16 AM
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Mr52
We could get past the argument if you could bring yourself to say that in a democratically run country with free and fair elections, and one scheduled to occur, there's no legitimate reason to have an armed coup.
But you can't bring yourself to that point.
Goodbye to you too.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
I agree with you 100%, that in a working democracy it is not necessary. I just don't believe that is the case in the Ukraine.
My problem is who some of the people hear are blaming or in how they are not addressing those who are blaming the US and our allies.
And that is what this thread was about.
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Monday, May 5, 2014 2:38 AM
Quote:OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
Originally posted by MIKER:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Mr52
We could get past the argument if you could bring yourself to say that in a democratically run country with free and fair elections, and one scheduled to occur, there's no legitimate reason to have an armed coup.
But you can't bring yourself to that point.
Goodbye to you too.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
I agree with you 100%, that in a working democracy it is not necessary. I just don't believe that is the case in the Ukraine.
My problem is who some of the people hear are blaming or in how they are not addressing those who are blaming the US and our allies.
And that is what this thread was about.
Time to answer the question. Do YOU think the US, EU and NATO are responsible for the turmoil in the Ukraine and also for the uptick in violence?
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Monday, May 5, 2014 2:45 AM
Quote:"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
Originally posted by MIKER:Quote:OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
Originally posted by MIKER:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Mr52
We could get past the argument if you could bring yourself to say that in a democratically run country with free and fair elections, and one scheduled to occur, there's no legitimate reason to have an armed coup.
But you can't bring yourself to that point.
Goodbye to you too.
I agree with you 100%, that in a working democracy it is not necessary. I just don't believe that is the case in the Ukraine.
My problem is who some of the people hear are blaming or in how they are not addressing those who are blaming the US and our allies.
And that is what this thread was about.
Time to answer the question. Do YOU think the US, EU and NATO are responsible for the turmoil in the Ukraine and also for the uptick in violence?
Come on M52nickerson I put the same question to you and have yet to hear a response. At least SIGNYM has the courage of her convictions and admitted she did. I admire that.
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Monday, May 5, 2014 2:55 AM
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Originally posted by MIKER:
Come on M52nickerson, don't repost a bunch of nonsense just answer the question.
Do you agree with the premise of the thread and blame the US, EU and NATO for the mess in the Ukraine and instigating the violence.
I did not see your question earlier, sorry.
No I do not agree that the US, EU and NATO are to blame for the problems in the Ukraine. Ultimately this is about Putin trying to avoid losing influence over Ukraine. It has been said before that Russia with Ukraine is an empire, but without it, Russia is just another country. Now Yanukovych was put in a very tough spot with the pressure put on him by Moscow not to sign the EU deal. The EU's response did not help, but ultimately his decisions lead to his downfall.
One thing that has to be understood is that the US and NATO are not going to war with Russia over Ukraine. Even if Putin send troops, other than the ones there, into other Russian speaking provinces we are not going to see a physical war. We will see hard sanctions. Many of those will hurt the EU as well because of trade ties with Russia.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Monday, May 5, 2014 3:04 AM
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Originally posted by MIKER:Quote:"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
Originally posted by MIKER:Quote:OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
Originally posted by MIKER:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Mr52
We could get past the argument if you could bring yourself to say that in a democratically run country with free and fair elections, and one scheduled to occur, there's no legitimate reason to have an armed coup.
But you can't bring yourself to that point.
Goodbye to you too.
I agree with you 100%, that in a working democracy it is not necessary. I just don't believe that is the case in the Ukraine.
My problem is who some of the people hear are blaming or in how they are not addressing those who are blaming the US and our allies.
And that is what this thread was about.
Time to answer the question. Do YOU think the US, EU and NATO are responsible for the turmoil in the Ukraine and also for the uptick in violence?
Come on M52nickerson I put the same question to you and have yet to hear a response. At least SIGNYM has the courage of her convictions and admitted she did. I admire that.
If you have been following this post and or have contributed to it I would love to hear your opinion on what this thread suggests as far as the title and the opening statement I and quoting here:
"It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia".
I would like to put this to bed. I will take any further posts that do not directly address this question but attempts to once again change the subject as a yes.
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Monday, May 5, 2014 3:07 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Mr52
We could get past the argument if you could bring yourself to say that in a democratically run country with free and fair elections, and one scheduled to occur, there's no legitimate reason to have an armed coup.
But you can't bring yourself to that point.
Goodbye to you too.
The agreement that was signed did not scheduled elections. It merely set a date by which they would have to happen. A date with was damn near a year away. Nothing in that agreement forbid the Parliament from beginning impeachment proceedings against a President they believed had protesters killed. The Parliament realized that the people were not going to just sit and allow the President to remain in power for that long a time. Yanukovych than bugged out, with all of his ministers.
The democratically elected Parliament then made the choice to place an interim President and scheduled free and fair elections a few months later.
So what you are arguing should have happened would have left a President who had already had political opponents jailed, and had people killed, in power for almost a year before elections.
What we got is an interim President, appointed the Parliament including the former presidents own majority party, and elections later this month. The only problems this is causing are due to the fact that Putin is not happy.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Monday, May 5, 2014 3:08 AM
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by MIKER:
Come on M52nickerson, don't repost a bunch of nonsense just answer the question.
Do you agree with the premise of the thread and blame the US, EU and NATO for the mess in the Ukraine and instigating the violence.
I did not see your question earlier, sorry.
No I do not agree that the US, EU and NATO are to blame for the problems in the Ukraine. Ultimately this is about Putin trying to avoid losing influence over Ukraine. It has been said before that Russia with Ukraine is an empire, but without it, Russia is just another country. Now Yanukovych was put in a very tough spot with the pressure put on him by Moscow not to sign the EU deal. The EU's response did not help, but ultimately his decisions lead to his downfall.
One thing that has to be understood is that the US and NATO are not going to war with Russia over Ukraine. Even if Putin send troops, other than the ones there, into other Russian speaking provinces we are not going to see a physical war. We will see hard sanctions. Many of those will hurt the EU as well because of trade ties with Russia.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Thank you I didn't think you agreed with the premise of the thread and was perplexed by your nonresponse.
I agree with all you say here.
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Monday, May 5, 2014 3:16 AM
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Mr52
We could get past the argument if you could bring yourself to say that in a democratically run country with free and fair elections, and one scheduled to occur, there's no legitimate reason to have an armed coup.
But you can't bring yourself to that point.
Goodbye to you too.
The agreement that was signed did not scheduled elections. It merely set a date by which they would have to happen. A date with was damn near a year away. Nothing in that agreement forbid the Parliament from beginning impeachment proceedings against a President they believed had protesters killed. The Parliament realized that the people were not going to just sit and allow the President to remain in power for that long a time. Yanukovych than bugged out, with all of his ministers.
The democratically elected Parliament then made the choice to place an interim President and scheduled free and fair elections a few months later.
So what you are arguing should have happened would have left a President who had already had political opponents jailed, and had people killed, in power for almost a year before elections.
What we got is an interim President, appointed the Parliament including the former presidents own majority party, and elections later this month. The only problems this is causing are due to the fact that Putin is not happy.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Just saw this, great, like it.
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Monday, May 5, 2014 4:51 AM
4 pages of jerkoffmanship
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