IMF to Kiev - fight for eastern Ukraine or die
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UPDATED: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 17:17
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I am on the side of democracy."
Then find me ONE of your posts where you supported early elections as a democratic solution to the problem of Yanukovych. Just one.
"The cause you champion in your posts is all against the new Ukrainian government."
What I've been championing is democracy. Government through the process of election, not coup.
"If the government doesn't abide by that then the people have the right to throw the government out."
Yes, ALL the people COULD have had a chance to vote and decide. But that's not good enough for you.
Anyway, by your bad English I presume you're a plant.
Still completely ignoring that fact that the country is still getting early elections, or that fact that the Parliament is the one that was elected. Yanukovych's party is still the largest block in the Parliament, so those decisions are not just being taken by the opposition.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Hey, how about we drop some of the repetitive quotes and stop doing what some must be doing to turn it all blue. What do ya say?
Let the point you want to make speak for itself. I don't mind you putting my words in blue to separate them from yours if the are relevant to what you are asking, but too much of this stuff is off the point, repetitive and irrelevant to your inquiry. It is a bunch of crap that has nothing to do with your latest question. Especially if you new post consists of a few lines yet it appears to be a city block long. I may want to use a small part as a quote to be accurate in my response to what you are asking but it is a garbled mess.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I do? Before you start telling me what I said and what I think, you might want to go back and read my posts. Show me where I said anything about it, because right now you're making assumptions, like you've been making all along.
You doubt Russia's involvement in the East, but it's worth noting that if the national elections went ahead they would be a disaster for the pro-Russia parties, and for Putin, who wants Ukraine as part of his Eurasian Union, along with Belarus and Kazakhstan (and now Belarus's president is voicing doubts about joining).
I got it from this quote:
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So the United States will further sanction Russia because Obama is ASSUMING that Russia is at the heart of all this and has sufficient control to stop the violence.
It's open to interpretation I suppose, but it sounds as if there's doubt there, about Russia's involvement.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I am on the side of democracy."
Then find me ONE of your posts where you supported early elections as a democratic solution to the problem of Yanukovych. Just one.
"The cause you champion in your posts is all against the new Ukrainian government."
What I've been championing is democracy. Government through the process of election, not coup.
"If the government doesn't abide by that then the people have the right to throw the government out."
Yes, ALL the people COULD have had a chance to vote and decide. But that's not good enough for you.
Anyway, by your bad English I presume you're a plant.
Still completely ignoring that fact that the country is still getting early elections, or that fact that the Parliament is the one that was elected. Yanukovych's party is still the largest block in the Parliament, so those decisions are not just being taken by the opposition.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
What has this got to do with my question about the topic of the thread and the opening statements? I asked this question of you in my last post and this is what you respond with?
"It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia".
Why do so many of you refuse to answer what is asked of you and post something completely off the topic of the thread.
If you wish to speak to me answer the question I pose to you. Then I will answer what you ask of me. OK......
Come on M52nickerson, don't repost a bunch of nonsense just answer the question.
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Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I do? Before you start telling me what I said and what I think, you might want to go back and read my posts. Show me where I said anything about it, because right now you're making assumptions, like you've been making all along.
You doubt Russia's involvement in the East, but it's worth noting that if the national elections went ahead they would be a disaster for the pro-Russia parties, and for Putin, who wants Ukraine as part of his Eurasian Union, along with Belarus and Kazakhstan (and now Belarus's president is voicing doubts about joining).
I got it from this quote:
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So the United States will further sanction Russia because Obama is ASSUMING that Russia is at the heart of all this and has sufficient control to stop the violence.
It's open to interpretation I suppose, but it sounds as if there's doubt there, about Russia's involvement.
It's not personal. It's just war.
Let's not forget the Russian license plates on the vehicles moving the troops in full Russia garb, masks and insignia removed around Crimea as it was being overthrown OK. GIVE ME A BREAK.
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Come on M52nickerson, don't repost a bunch of nonsense just answer the question.
Do you agree with the premise of the thread and blame the US, EU and NATO for the mess in the Ukraine and instigating the violence.
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Miker
I responded to your post point by point. That is called being 'on topic' You don't like it? Too bad.
As for my 'logos' - it's a built-in function of this website that I AND MANY PEOPLE use. Don't like it either? Take it up with Haken and with ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DO THE SAME. Otherwise, i think you're just being a troll.
Yanno what problem YOU had with the vote?
YOU think that ONLY THOSE PEOPLE PROTESTING deserved to be heard. Everyone else - presumably pro-Russian and pro-Yanukovych - deserved to have their opinions X-ed out. A vote would have let them be heard as well.
As for you bring a plant - lack of denial means something in my book.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Miker
I responded to your post point by point. That is called being 'on topic' You don't like it? Too bad.
As for my 'logos' - it's a built-in function of this website that I AND MANY PEOPLE use. Don't like it either? Take it up with Haken and with ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DO THE SAME. Otherwise, i think you're just being a troll.
Yanno what problem YOU had with the vote?
YOU think that ONLY THOSE PEOPLE PROTESTING deserved to be heard. Everyone else - presumably pro-Russian and pro-Yanukovych - deserved to have their opinions X-ed out. A vote would have let them be heard.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
Bullshit, you respond by mixing it all up, confusing the issues and not in many cases answering what is asked of you but changing the subject. Let's try again.
Do you agree with the premise of the thread that the US, EU and NATO are responsible for the turmoil in the Ukraine and instigating the last round of violence?
And I have every right to ask you not to cut and paste my words in with yours. I don't care if you use quotes or not what I say should come up in blue and yours in white as this site was designed to do.
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Goodbye.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Goodbye.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
You can't do it. You can't say that the United States, EU and NATO is not responsible. Nor will you speak to why you think it is.
I rest my case.
One down
Good bye!
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