IMF to Kiev - fight for eastern Ukraine or die
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 17:17
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MIKER
Quote:And this is where I replied that you should recalibrate what you think of as "the whole world" since China, India, Brazil, and more than half of the remainder of the world's nations either voted against the USA or abstained in the UN.
I sit here knowing the whole world aside from Russia and the two of you...
Your self-importance is a sight to behold. Once gain, facts fail you.
M52
There were many unfulfilled parts of the impeachment procedure. There was no special prosecutor, and no special investigator. In fact, there was no investigation. A geographically significant part of the Rada was missing, all of whom would have been Yanukovich's allies. The Constituion requires...
Quote:It was a coup, and the politicians on the losing side feared for their safety. The result had already been decided, because it was necessary for the new government to sign the IMF contract.
Decision about the removal of President of Ukraine from a post in order of
?mpeachment is made Supreme Soviet of Ukraine more no less as three fourth from its constitutional composition
Surely, if you look at the circumstances surrounding the change of the Ukrainian government with any objectivity, without the objective of "winning an argument" or justifying the result, you'll see that it was a rush to judgment and did not meet all Constitutional requirements, or even a reasonable fascimilie of impeachment.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
M52
There were many unfulfilled parts of the impeachment procedure. There was no special prosecutor, and no special investigator. In fact, there was no investigation. A geographically significant part of the Rada was missing, all of whom would have been Yanukovich's allies. The Constituion requires...Quote:It was a coup, and the politicians on the losing side feared for their safety. The result had already been decided, because it was necessary for the new government to sign the IMF contract.
Decision about the removal of President of Ukraine from a post in order of
?mpeachment is made Supreme Soviet of Ukraine more no less as three fourth from its constitutional composition
Surely, if you look at the circumstances surrounding the change of the Ukrainian government with any objectivity, without the objective of "winning an argument" or justifying the result, you'll see that it was a rush to judgment and did not meet all Constitutional requirements, or even a reasonable fascimilie of impeachment.
The Parliament did not impeach him. So you are correct in saying those procedures were not followed. The Parliament found that the President had abandoned his position, non-constitutionally, and followed the constitution from there.
As for the UN vote...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/27/here-are-
the-11-u-n-members-that-voted-against-a-resolution-on-ukraines-unity/
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=HOV&rls=org.
mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=Un+vote+Ukraine&spell=1&sa=X&ei=fcZlU9KHKsTKsQSCwoCACg&ved=0CCUQvwUoAA
100 for, 11 against, 58 abstaining. SIGNYM you are more far off then MIKER was, but a long ways.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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So, you've provided proof that Miker was wrong with its: "I sit here knowing the whole world aside from Russia and the two of you..."
You gonna take up his error with him? Of COURSE NOT. You just want 'your side' to 'win' - you don't care about facts. or democracy.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you've provided proof that Miker was wrong with its: "I sit here knowing the whole world aside from Russia and the two of you..."
You gonna take up his error with him? Of COURSE NOT. You just want 'your side' to 'win' - you don't care about facts. or democracy.
Miker was a lot closer in his statement than SIGNYM was in hers. So Miker was not right in what he said.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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M52- At this point, I don't see how they can hold elections, seeing as Ukraine is in civil war.
You doubt Russia's involvement in the East, but it's worth noting that if the national elections went ahead they would be a disaster for the pro-Russia parties, and for Putin, who wants Ukraine as part of his Eurasian Union, along with Belarus and Kazakhstan (and now Belarus's president is voicing doubts about joining).
It's not personal. It's just war.
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It was a coup, and the politicians on the losing side feared for their safety.
They didn't flee for their safety, they abstained. They didn't have the votes to block parliament, and why vote symbolically to back a disgraced leader? Fleeing the capital was just a melodramatic way of abstaining.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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I will repost my response to the SIGNYM thread. With me it never was about how legal the process was in the Ukraine but instead, to address what the thread was stating up front and in context. That the west and the EU and (Nato) were responsible for the aggressive actions of the Ukrainian government. You guys never address the actual point of the thread. That they threatened to stop payment on loans if the Ukrainians did not attack the Russian sympathizers. You took it off track with your interpretations of what transpired behind closed doors in the Ukrainian parliament and its legality. Something you could not possibly know about except in your grandiose minds.
It has been amazing to me to hear you preach as thought you had the inside tract on what happened in the Ukrainian parliament thousands of miles away, and were privy councilor to all the facts and laws need to be addressed in this matter. Quite amazing to watch.
Like I said, I will repost my response to the accusations of the thread. the rest has been my responses to your constantly suggesting that the Ukrainians had no right to do what they did. This based on you knowledge of the Ukrainian law. Quite astounding assumptions on your part I have to say.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia. This includes providing political cover and cookies and photo-ops with John McCain for Ukraine’s neo-Nazis, personally insulting Putin, breaking negotiated agreements with Russia, endlessly threatening sanctions, and lying in the press (with fake photos, fake flyers, and false reports).
The latest entry into the “provoke a war” campaign is the IMF. The IMF seems intent on pitting Ukraine into a death-match with Russia by threatening their loan status: Fight, or else your loan conditions will be ‘renegotiated’. Since Ukraine’s economy is hanging on ONLY by this thread, the IMF’s statement is an existential threat to the Kiev government.
At this juncture, there’s no point in trying to figure who is behind all this. With the entry of the IMF (and for all I know, the remainder of the troika: the European Commission and the European Central Bank ECB) into the fray, this is clearly a well-coordinated plan, with the USA and the EU and the IMF alternately taking turns to push the project forward, creating no discernable division of interest between them.
Until recently, the Kiev government has been reluctant to mobilize its army because the army itself is probably divided; there have been reports of “security forces” defecting to the east. Instead, the Kiev government has been trying to create citizen militias… pro-Nazi groups and other irregular forces to take the place of the army.
Since the IMF has threatened to renegotiate the loan status, Turchinov, the unelected President of Kiev… oops, I mean Ukraine… has reinstated the draft. I can't imagine what liberal pro-western Ukrainians are thinking now... "Doubled gas prices? Halved pensions? And now the draft???"
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27222023
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27241740
IM F : $17 bn loan would need overhaul if Ukraine loses east
The IMF says its just-announced $17 billion rescue program for Ukraine would have to be overhauled if the country loses control of the economically important eastern region to pro-Russian separatists.
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Quote:I do? Before you start telling me what I said and what I think, you might want to go back and read my posts. Show me where I said anything about it, because right now you're making assumptions, like you've been making all along.
You doubt Russia's involvement in the East, but it's worth noting that if the national elections went ahead they would be a disaster for the pro-Russia parties, and for Putin, who wants Ukraine as part of his Eurasian Union, along with Belarus and Kazakhstan (and now Belarus's president is voicing doubts about joining).
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I do? Before you start telling me what I said and what I think, you might want to go back and read my posts. Show me where I said anything about it, because right now you're making assumptions, like you've been making all along.
You doubt Russia's involvement in the East, but it's worth noting that if the national elections went ahead they would be a disaster for the pro-Russia parties, and for Putin, who wants Ukraine as part of his Eurasian Union, along with Belarus and Kazakhstan (and now Belarus's president is voicing doubts about joining).
I don't understand what you are asking. The quote has no frame of reference or who's quote it is in your post and what you posted that I am speaking about in right there in my post.
I also see you like to cut and paste a lot as though they are your words.
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