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Iranian mother of two to be stoned to death

POSTED BY: Niki2
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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:08 PM

Stoning is a barbaric way to die, nasty, nasty stuff and it is carried out in Iran for spurious reasons. It's reintroduction was a step back for that country.

Having said that, the US practises a number of execution methods which aren't exactly pleasant either, electrocuting someone to death would cause an outrage if you could actually witness it, and hanging can be slow and painful. I'd say that execution of another human being, for whatever reason is barbaric enough. The US has the unpleasant distinction of being up their in the big five with number of executions carried out - the strange bedfellows of the likes of China, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

It was only a decade or so ago that there were instances of a child under 18 being executed in the US, and I wonder how many people executed are suffering from mental health problems???

It's not so long ago that all societies carried out brutal punishments for a range of crimes, including burning at the stake and being hung drawn and quartered. So it would be good, Americans, if you could lead by example and abolish the death penalty altogether, rather than 'casting the first stone' when it's not quite morally appropriate for you to do so.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:14 PM

CNN is carrying a new story on the stoning verdict of the woman I started this about, it's an interview with her son about the issue:

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Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran -- http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/06/iran.stoning/index.html?vide
o=true&hpt=T2
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I was trying to find out where I read that a woman had her sentence commuted because she had repented, as it is the opposite of the CNN article. I think maybe it was another woman I read about. Still haven't found it, but here's an account and supposedly a picture of one who's sentence was carried out: "According to the state-run daily Rooz, "In May 2006, two people identified as Mahboubeh M. and Abbass H. were stoned to death in the northern city of Mashhad."

The daily added, "Mahboubeh and Abbass were treated as if they were dead already. According to Islamic rituals, they were cleaned and wrapped in shrouds by the undertaker. Being a female, Mahboubeh was buried alive up to her shoulders, and Abbass was buried in the ground up to his waist. Then, they were stoned to death gradually by the volunteers who had come for the stoning. Media news reports only said that they were executed."



If it IS propaganda to forward the idea of invading Iran, it's reached the MSM, and it's pretty well done (which means nothing, I realize). It's up to each to decide what's real and what's not.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:19 PM

Magon, I've thought this myself. I hear lethal injection is still pretty painful. Electrocution and firing squad have mostly been phased out, though Utah still offers the firing squad because of a Mormon religious belief about blood needing to be spilled for sins that none of them will quite admit to. Hangings still happen, though with less legitimacy.

This kind of gets into a whole question of the prison system and incarceration versus prevention and rehabilitation for me, so I'll stop there.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Magon, I've thought this myself. I hear lethal injection is still pretty painful. Electrocution and firing squad have mostly been phased out, though Utah still offers the firing squad because of a Mormon religious belief about blood needing to be spilled for sins that none of them will quite admit to. Hangings still happen, though with less legitimacy.

This kind of gets into a whole question of the prison system and incarceration versus prevention and rehabilitation for me, so I'll stop there.




Put it this way: Some of the chemicals they use in lethal injection are outlawed for veterinarians to use to put animals to sleep, because of the pain it causes them. I've got a soft spot for animals, but should we treat our animals better than we treat our people?

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:52 PM

Maybe the Iranian legislators should run as Republicans...

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/6/30/132459/854

Meet Arthur Robinson, Republican candidate for Oregon's 4th Congressional District, and advocate of "Biblican stoning" (as well as dumping oil and nuclear waste at sea, where they can do no harm!).

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GOP Congressional Candidate Friends With "Execution By Stoning" Advocate

Running for a seat in Oregon's 4th District, Congressional candidate Art Robinson has proposed dumping crude oil waste and radioactive waste at sea, and he advocates that children read a racist 19th Century novel (which Robinson prints and sells.)
Then there's the "Biblical stoning" issue...

Arthur Robinson has lots of ties to the Christian Reconstructionist movement, including being friends with leading Christian Reconstructionist theologian Gary North, who has described execution-by-stoning as a "community project," (rocks are cheap, plentiful, and convenient, North argues.) Art Robinson's Christian homeschooling curriculum even features a 51-minute interview with Christian Reconstructionism's intellectual founder, R. J. Rushdoony. So what is Christian Reconstructionism ? Let's start here:

As Walter Olson began his sardonic "Invitation To A Stoning", published in the November 1998 issue of Reason Magazine,

For connoisseurs of surrealism on the American right, it's hard to beat an exchange that appeared about a decade ago in the Heritage Foundation magazine Policy Review. It started when two associates of the Rev. Jerry Falwell wrote an article which criticized Christian Reconstructionism, the influential movement led by theologian Rousas John (R.J.) Rushdoony, for advocating positions that even they as committed fundamentalists found "scary." Among Reconstructionism's highlights, the article cited support for laws "mandating the death penalty for homosexuals and drunkards." The Rev. Rushdoony fired off a letter to the editor complaining that the article had got his followers' views all wrong: They didn't intend to put drunkards to death.
Christian Reconstructionism has come a long way since then.

Gary North is a leading Christian Reconstructionist. As leading authority on Christian Reconstructionism Frederick Clarkson, describes in a Public Eye article titled, Christian Reconstructionism - Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence,
Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical "warfare" is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy (abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency, and, in the case of women, "unchastity before marriage."
According to Gary North, women who have abortions should be publicly executed, "along with those who advised them to abort their children."

Art Robinson in 1986 co-authored with Dr. Gary North a book on how to survive nuclear war titled, Fighting Chance: Ten Feet To Survival. The book advocated bringing back the so-called "Duck and Cover" civil defense approach promoted by the US government civil defense film "Duck and Cover" shown in US schools to schoolchildren in the 1950's and 1960's.

As "Invitation To A Stoning" described North's view on, well, stoning,

Reconstructionists provide the most enthusiastic constituency for stoning since the Taliban seized Kabul. "Why stoning?" asks North. "There are many reasons. First, the implements of execution are available to everyone at virtually no cost." Thrift and ubiquity aside, "executions are community projects--not with spectators who watch a professional executioner do `his' duty, but rather with actual participants." You might even say that like square dances or quilting bees, they represent the kind of hands-on neighborliness so often missed in this imp

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:57 PM

If I were capable of outrage, would my outrage over stoning be illegitimate because Americans use lethal injections? I'm having a hard time following that one.

Good thing I don't give a damn what the citizens of the Bronze Age are doing, so long as it doesn't threaten my health.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Per the linked video of stoning in Iran, I watched, up to a point.

The video was shot in 1994.

The accused was wrapped in a white sheet,covering his entire body, placed in a pre dug hole, which was then filled in w/ dirt, roughly to the man's waist.

That was about all I needed to watch.

It was noted in the video that there's a proper size for stones to be thrown.

Pebbles are too small, and rocks which may result in death in the 1st or 2nd throw are too big.

Apparently it doesn't matter if you're Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan, as long as the size of the rock you through is " just right" .

Any doubt that this is a culture stuck in the medieval period of human history, and that the idea of these folks having a nuclear weapon is a really BAD one, just isn't thinking straight.







Riiiiiii-iiiight. The PROPER way to kill them is to strap them to a board and slowly drown them! That's SO much more humane...



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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 11:04 PM

No, no, it's a "he who is without sin cast the first stone" sort of thing, or maybe an encouragement to be outraged, but see to our own house as well. Or at least that's how I took it.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That they're in the same country where nukes are being made.... that's enough to concern me.





But YOU are in the same country where nukes are being made, and YOU advocate torturing people to death, strapping suspects (not convicts, just suspects) into gliders loaded nose-heavy with explosives, and worse. That should be enough to concern us all.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 11:19 PM

Nice pun.

I oppose the death penalty, because I have squishy, delicate sensibilities. Its barbaric. But perhaps we can admit different degrees of barbarism, and not trip over ourselves in the rush to turn Iran's brutal Bronze Age practices into a window on our own failings. I don't need a poor Iranian woman to be stoned to put the US in perspective.

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