Iranian mother of two to be stoned to death
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UPDATED: Monday, August 10, 2026 16:30
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kwickie,
So, by your twisted logic, we should ban cars, airplanes, boating, swimming, rock climbing, skateboarding, cycling, walking under trees, roofing, basketball, running,.... pretty much anything that has resulted in death. Because if the end result is death, it's the exact same as a death sentence.
We've never sentenced anyone to death via waterboarding. Final.
No, but you've sentenced people to death via being electricuted, hanged, shot, gased and given lethal injection.
If you can't see the difference between ACCIDENTAL death and government sponsered murder, then you are a strange one indeed.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kwickie,
So, by your twisted logic, we should ban cars, airplanes, boating, swimming, rock climbing, skateboarding, cycling, walking under trees, roofing, basketball, running,.... pretty much anything that has resulted in death. Because if the end result is death, it's the exact same as a death sentence.
We've never sentenced anyone to death via waterboarding. Final.
No, but you've sentenced people to death via being electricuted, hanged, shot, gased and given lethal injection.
If you can't see the difference between ACCIDENTAL death and government sponsered murder, then you are a strange one indeed.
I've sentenced no one to death.
If you can't tell the difference in stoning for adultery and execution of murderers and rapists, then YOU are a strange one indeed.
Waterboarding ? At any time, those terrorists could have simply started singing like canaries, given up the info being asked, and never once gotten a drop of water on their allah lovin' heads.
Big, BIG difference between chopping off a hand or de-tonguing a person for something they said, and enhanced interrogation that can be stopped, at any time, by merely cooperating.
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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
First of all, I am as immune to outrage as you are to reason. Second, if you really believe that there is no distinction to be drawn between stoning and other forms of the death penalty, Buddha help you. We might as well adopt stoning, and 8th Amendment be damned, because its all the same, you see?
First of all, I have no idea about the 8th Amendment because I am not that familiar with your constitution. I do know the fifth - that's because it is in movies, "Take the fifth"
I never said there was no distinction to be drawn between stoning and other forms of death penalty, as I clearly said stoning was more barbaric, being it's intent is to be a slow painful death. I was however pointing out an inconsistency in the outrage expressed by Americans (not necessarily you) over this - given that your country still has the death penalty and it can be argued that waiting on death row for 20 years undergoing appeal after appeal, to be finally killed could constitute cruel and unusual punishment..let any method being barbaric, particularly when organised by the state.
In WW2, the Nazis invented gas chambers because they were a more humane (and efficient) way of killing people (as opposed to mass shootings, dyamiting and other methods previously used, and to pander to the 'sensibilities' of those involved in the murder. Doesn't mean that we now condone it because it took a few minutes less, or involved less gore than the other ways.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I've sentenced no one to death.
You = the society that is America. Glad to hear YOU as an individual hasn't, but someone connected - appointed? by your government has.
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If you can't tell the difference in stoning for adultery and execution of murderers and rapists, then YOU are a strange one indeed.
State sponsered murder is just that - you pass that authority to the state when it is appropriate to murder someone. In your society, it is murderers and rapists, in another it is adulterers and theives, in another it is political opponents, in another it is people who commit acts of treason - actually, probably still applies in some parts of the US. The Rosenbergs were executed for treason only a few decades ago. Culturally, there are differences about what constitutes a crime serious enough to be considered a capital offence.
I disagree with it for any reason. I don't think the government or the state should ever hold that much authority over another, for whatever reason. And hopefully, the citzens of the world are moving away from inflicting pain and death on others for whatever reason, as fewer countries now enforce the death penalty.
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Sorry Magon, I tend to assume everyone is 'Merican, unless told otherwise, because I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. The 8th prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, which covers specific applications of the death penalty. Its the difference between, say, stoning (which is designed for maximum agony), and lethal injection (while vile, designed to minimize the agony).
I oppose the death penalty because it cannot be administered fairly, and tends to disproportionately be imposed on certain groups. I do not oppose it because killing is wrong, even though it is. Killing is a fact of life, and disliking it is fine and dandy, but does not change the fact that we've been busily killing eachother since Caine pwned Abel.
If people are outraged over stoning, that 'Merica is unlike that old bitch gone in the teeth (Europe) matters little. A bit, but not totally like sugesting you can't be queasy with honor killings because there is domestic violence in 'Merica. Its apples and oranges, and borders of sissy evasion.
That said, I endorse extinction.
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Magons....
I'm not "society". I'm an individual. A singular human being. I'm a member of the largest minority group in the world.
I am an individual.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Magons....
I'm not "society". I'm an individual. A singular human being. I'm a member of the largest minority group in the world.
I am an individual.
Bullshit. You are 6 billion/6 billion. You are fungible. Your individuality is an illusion, your singular identity meaningless.
I loathe individualists, rugged or otherwise.
Magons right, though, inasmuch as you can't wash your hands of a system that benefits you...that you support.
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1) The have the death penalty in iran, not stoning
2) the eighth is cruel and unusual punishment. Magon, you're actually a brit, right, aussie notwithstanding, so you're a resident or citizen of great britain? Either way, this is your document. The bill of rights, UK 1689. Know your rights, use the google.
3) Russia is not so unstable as some would have you believe
4) The parties of the US have indeed gone to war. Democrat Jefferson Davis and Republican Abraham Lincoln. And if you don't think that was a major part of the war chances are you haven't studied the subject.
5) Why can't Iran have nukes? Is this a judgment call, and on what basis? Are we suddenly a race of godlings that we decide? I mean, sure, humans shouldn't have nukes, but the iranians built nukes by themselves, which is more than I can say for some nuclear powers.
Frem,
I suggested it earlier, but what else do you have. I mean H&K are a likely suspect. And, someone said 1st gulf war, but it was also the iraq and afghan wars as well. Ahmed Chalabi cooked a lot of the bogus iraq stories up himself. But I'm not sure, are you saying that the incident is fabricated? I would've thought they would've thought of something better, but it does fit the image that they're trying to create.
Also, because some folk have forgotten: Iran has more engineers than any other nation IIRC, and I think the per capita college education. It's not exactly the back of beyond. We're actually discussing a full fledged war with a first world industrial power that has the backing of both China and Russia. This is not Vietnam, guys, or nothing remotely like it. We're seriously talking about world war three. Just soes you know.
ETA: For all the chaos, this is a great discussion. I wish that politics were more often discussed in this more fact getting investigative manner, and not with the bludgeoning over the head with the partisan poles.
Oh, and I agree with Rap on individualism, except for Rap, who could be a little more individual. Find something to agree with Obama on. Come on, it's not that hard ;) Even Cheney can find something.
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Uhm...Iran can't have nukes because they are the enemy? Seems sort of simple.
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Mince,
you missed the tone of moralistic judgement call which kinda read "idiotic child race"?
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