Stand with Arizona

POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Sunday, May 16, 2010 21:28
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frem

can't imagine the level of pride you generate for yourself on such posts as that. while there is the faintest level of intellect there, buried behind all the childish bravado and overbearing profanity, it's only just that... faint.


spent far more time on this already.






Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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*clicks stopwatch and laughs*
And you bought it, didn't you ?
Btw, Thanks for making Gus pay for lunch!

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Nah, Rap is right. He wins. You wasted time. Mike, I suspect, wastes the most time, but Niki is a clo competitor, because, even though she types much fast than the rest of us, she also types much more.

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Argh, double post.

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"It amazes me how 100+ posts and the conversation has not addressed the responsibility that the illegals have. Why are they getting a pass for their part in this cluster f*ck?

People argue it's not fair because all people should be treated the same... how about all people who try and immigrate to this country should go through the same legal process? Why's that not part of any discussion?

Anthony: Do you think you would have to worry about this law if there weren't close to half a million illegals in your state? We wouldn't be talking about this if their first act toward their new home wasn't an illegal one. They probably pay more to a coyote and risk a hell of a lot more than they would to file the papers. http://www.scifiradio.com

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Hello,

My grandfather and father went through a lengthy, difficult process to become legal citizens. I am not pleased with criminals who take advantage of our generosity and openness to circumvent the legal process when there are other avenues available to them.

But what responsibility do I hold a criminal to? Why, none. A criminal has broken the law. Why should I expect something from them other than self-interest? I'm not sure I understand the statement.

Would I have to worry about this law if there wasn't a crime? Why, no. Of course not. Should I then embrace any preposterous solution to the problem? My God, man, will you welcome any new brand of evil just because it purports to solve a problem?

Do these illegals pay more to the cayote than they'd pay to file paperwork?

Is this a serious query?

Do you think they'd bother with a cayote if they had another efficient means of getting here, trouble-free?

*sigh*

You will never be able to stop criminals until you begin to understand why they commit crimes. Illegal Immigration is not the product of inexpensive, efficient, immigration policy. The major issue is that we would not allow them here in such numbers, period, regardless of expense. We simply would not issue that many legal residency papers.

I can only boggle at the mentality of someone who expects criminals to be responsible on one hand, and then wonders why they risk life, limb, and vast amounts of currency on the other.

Forgive me for saying so, but if you learned more about illegal immigration, you might advocate for ways to stem the tide that do not cause problems for citizens in the process.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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And if a crime is committed by 1 illegal to another illegal, is it then NOT a crime ? Of course it is! You can't simply wave your hand and dismiss such acts didn't happen, or aren't a big deal, just because it wasn't against a U.S. citizen! That's absurd !! ( and racist, I might add ) If such high rates of crime are committed w/ in the U.S. borders, regardless of to whom, such activity will spread. At beat, innocent citizens will get caught up in the cross fire. This sort of activity can NOT go on unanswered.

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If a crime (torture) is committed by an American citizen upon a NON-citizen, is it not still a crime? You've argued nonstop that it ISN'T a crime, so long as it's done to non-citizens. Or to people who think different than you do. Or to people you don't like the looks of.

If such acts of torture are committed on U.S. soil, regardless of who they are committed upon, such activity will spread. At best (I *think* you meant "best", not "beat", but ya never know when it comes to your ability to mangle the language...), innocent citizens will get caught up in the cross fire.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Frem

Omit your childish, irrational profanity laced rants, and what's left isn't worth my time to bother with any sort of a response.

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Wowzer. That's like a freaking glass onion of irony, it's got so many layers! You JUST went off on a childish, petulant irrational temper tantrum of insults directed at Niki, and now you want to whine about Frem doing the same towards you?

And if it isn't worth your time to bother with "any sort of a response"... Why did you bother with a response?

Insanity, thy name is Rappy.

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As for Limbaugh and calling Faisal a registered Democrat, he got it wrong. I can't find where he was the source of that piece of information, but he did repeat it.

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In other words, he lied.

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As for Contessa Brewer, a bonafide news anchorette and reporter, she WAS the source of some blatantly idiotic and biased comments on the Times Square bomber, which only revealed what everyone already knew. The Left wants to demonize the Tea Party Americans more than they want report the truth about Militant Islamic terrorists.

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If you're going to claim that RushBaugh is NOT in the news biz, you really should stop using him as your first, last, and only source of misinformation. You parrot his every talking point, every single day, and you try to claim it as reliable info - until he's proven utterly wrong, at which point you claim it's not his fault, because he was just repeating something that someone else said. Wasn't Dan Rather doing that, too? ;)

And in repeating things that are 100% demonstrably untrue (aka, LYING), isn't RushBaugh just trying to demonize the left more than he wants to report the truth about militant terrorists, whether they come from the middle east or the middle of Michigan?

You really should try holding yourself and your messiah Rush to the same standards you'd like to hold everyone else to. I think you'll find neither of you measure up.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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DT, I don't think your plan has catchy enough names behind it. You need things like "Strength Through Joy", "Work Will Make You Free", and the sickest of all, "The Joy Division" (really, you should look into the history of that particular Nazi horror sometime, and see just how cruel a moniker that really is, and try to fathom the depths of human depravity that could even conceive of such a thing, much less call it by that name).

Republicans think they're pretty good at the clever Naziesque Orwellian word salad kind of names ("Patriot" Act and others come to mind), but they lack the really cruel true sociopathy that the Nazis had down to an art form.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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I never said a crime by one illegal against another isn’t important...you’re projecting that from your exchange with someone else. As you have said

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And that's the sum total of your argument. You can't offer up any substantive, reasonable reply, other than dole out insults and dismissive, personal comments.

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My point was that Arizona’s crime rate has gone DOWN—if illegals are such a problem, then why is it going down? Also to point out that you’re wrong, Arizona ISN’T the “crime capital of America”, it was called that in 2009, but it’s not the case. In 2007, D.C. had 4,913 crimes overall; Arizona only 4,140

I showed that Arizona had LESS crime than many other states, tho’ I know you’d rather ignore that. As far as “blabbing”...oh, fuck you Crappy, you blab about things that make no sense, give no facts, then attack others. I was off-line for days and catching up, and what you call “blabbing” is refutation of your “facts” and “assumptions”—you only call it blabbing because it proves you wrong. If you ever change your ways and have something of value to say, THEN talk to me. At least I bother to get the facts, which you virtually never do. You have nothing to say to me.

As to property crime: You’re wrong again. I realize you can’t deal with facts and figures, and don’t bother to read before making your claims, but D.C.’s got Arizona beat by a whole lot:

Property crime for 2008, per 100,000 individuals:
New Mexico: 4,291
D.C.: 5,104.6
Florida: 4,140.8
North Carolina: 4,044.1
South Carolina: 4,234.2
( http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_05.html)

In 2007,
D.C. had 4,913 property crimes overall
Arizona only 4,140

As for total crimes, Arizona at 482.7 hardly rated:
D.C.: 1,414.3
Arkansas: 529.4
California: 522.6
Florida: 722.6
Illinois: 533.2
Louisiana: 729.5
Maryland: 641.9
Nevada: 750.6
South Carolina: 788.3
Tennessee: 753.3
http://www.infoplease.com/us/statistics/crime-rate-state.html

Numerous other states come in at 4,000 or nearly that, and many have MORE property crime than New Mexico, but I only used the per capita figures, to be fair.

Ten most dangerous states in the US (regarding murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, and motor vehicle theft):

Nevada
Louisiana
South Carolina
New Mexico

So it only comes in FOURTH in the US in 2009. ( http://www.infoplease.com/us/states/most-dangerous-states-2009.html)

As you, yourself, said:

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Quit making up shit. Either show some evidence or admit you can't

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You can’t handle the facts, as someone famous once said. You gloss right over them, parrot FauxNews, and hurl insults in your usual fashion. I posted the above for OTHER people, since I already know you won’t bother to read it and wouldn’t take it in if you even tried.

As to

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This is a good law, and will hold up to a barrage of wasteful, pointless litigation the Left will throw its way

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Is that the emoticon you were hoping for? Time will tell if it holds up, which it won’t. It is patently unconstitutional.

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allows local police to more effectively do their job

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No, it does NOT. I realize you don’t bother to read, but I posted (with cite) the sheriff who said clearly that it will GET IN THE WAY of doing their job, plus putting illegals in his jail rather than turning them over to ICE, as the law states, will COST the people in his area more money in taxes.

In response to your nasty remark to Frem:

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Omit your childish, irrational profanity laced rants, and what's left isn't worth my time to bother with any sort of a response

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I give you your own words back:

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I'm always amused when the petulant little children pretend they're on the moral high ground and call others petulant children.

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As to FauxNews:

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I can't find where he was the source of that piece of information

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What you’ve never gotten is that they DON’T CARE ABOUT SOURC

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