Help me - I'm confused by racial labels
POSTED BY: pizmobeach
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 16:59
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Is Obama a "Black President?" "African American?" "White?"
I always thought it was odd and even a bit white elitist that if someone had mixed parents, one white and one black, they were called Black or African American - why that and not white? A person only seems to be white if both parents are white, like just having some African blood disqualifies them somehow. Why is Obama considered Black and not White if his parents are split?
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Ok... Im not being racist in answering this, but this the true answer...
If you are bi-racial, you are considered whatever the lowest blood is in your veins.
Black/white= black
White/hispanic= hispanic
Asian/black= black
Asian/white= Eurasian.
Ok, everyone don't jump on me for this but this is the truth
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What the fuck is "lowest blood"?
Where do you even come up with this shit, and how is it you DON'T think you're going to get called on it for handing out utter and complete crap like your "lowest blood" theory?
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ok... Im not being racist in answering this, but this the true answer...
If you are bi-racial, you are considered whatever the lowest blood is in your veins.
Black/white= black
White/hispanic= hispanic
Asian/black= black
Asian/white= Eurasian.
Ok, everyone don't jump on me for this but this is the truth
Typical empty response - if you want to antagonize libs get a better riff, this one's old.
Wait - olive branch - do you mean "least" and not "lowest?" Pls help my liberal bleeding heart want to feel good about you Woof...
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I don't think he's *agreeing* with it, just pointing out how a lot of our social consciousness works whether we like it or not.
I don't subscribe to it, nor may you - but a lot of folks do, and yes, it's asinine.
To this day when I write a report I wince at the need to describe people by race, and a large part of me wants to write "Young male, shade sixty, 5'8" 140lbs..." instead - but no one would know WTF I was talkin about it, sadly.
-F
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Sorry, Frem, but I've gotta call BS on this one.
Wulf uses terms like "lowest blood" and says "this the true answer" - which to me sounds exactly like the stuff the neo-Nazi assholes spew.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I don't think he's *agreeing* with it, just pointing out how a lot of our social consciousness works whether we like it or not.
I don't subscribe to it, nor may you - but a lot of folks do, and yes, it's asinine.
To this day when I write a report I wince at the need to describe people by race, and a large part of me wants to write "Young male, shade sixty, 5'8" 140lbs..." instead - but no one would know WTF I was talkin about it, sadly.
-F
I can't tell if he's being genuine, or a contrarian or just enjoying the attention. I think you are generous about Wulf's intentions, and maybe even naive (if that's possible). But you have your own reasons. He's just *young* in my book, and that's no problem, just the way it is.
For the sake of perspective, I try to make it a habit of thinking of things 25 years ahead looking back. As in, what do we think of the 80's now? In 25 years are we going to be thinking the same way about race? And I do not have any naive notions about what it may be - probably no different. But it may be that we are honest about the make up - someone who is Fiddy Fiddy is every bit as much correct to call themselves White as they do to have the MSM call them Black.
No way we'll never be color blind, but losing negative associations because of color? Why not?
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Wull, Wulf's not far from the racist truth of these things as I've come to know 'em. Folks of one race often see anyone with mixed blood as being properly a member of the other race, they don't trust them, ostracize them as "half-casts."
So racist whites see anyone who's half black as black. This goes back to the old days of anti-miscegenation laws in this country that stated that anyone 1/8 African or more by blood was legally black. I've seen black people turn around and ostracize their half-white children as not "really" black, not trustworthy by virtue of their genetic make-up. Native Americans I've seen can also be strongly prejudiced against half-white/half native children. Interesting that whites ostracize children with what they consider "inferior" blood and some other races ostracize half-white children as being tainted with the blood of the oppressor.
So, yeah, it's an uneasy form of de facto submission to some pretty archaic and discredited values that Obama be considered "black" in casual conversation in this country. I think he can say that though, because it is his "blackness" that is at issue so much of the time after all. His whiteness, not so much. And interestingly, it's been black friends of mine who have been most likely to emphasise that Obama is not black. We have a window on the trials and tribulations of being mixed-race in America in the person of our President. Also, he allies himself with black culture, speaks as a member of that community more so than as a member of any particular white community in this country. In an ideal world mixed-race children would absolutely have the right to define themselves, ally themselves with the heritage of their choosing.
"White" is such a strange "ethnicity" in this country. As the presumptive most representative "race" of American, it so often seems to be presented as an absence of ethnicity, or some kind of raceless race. Identifiable white American culture, country music for instance, tends to be roundly despised by anyone in this country who wishes to be considered sophisticated or even, in some arenas, intelligent. Is this white self-hatred? In such a climate of white denial, it seems the mixed-race child might gravitate to his or her non-white heritage.
Add to this confusion the brutal history of so-called white pride movements and you get some pretty effed up ideas about race, identity and culture.
HKCavalier
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ok... Im not being racist in answering this, but this the true answer...
If you are bi-racial, you are considered whatever the lowest blood is in your veins.
Black/white= black
White/hispanic= hispanic
Asian/black= black
Asian/white= Eurasian.
Ok, everyone don't jump on me for this but this is the truth
Uh-huh... Well using terms like 'lowest blood' is pretty much the definition of racism.
I don't whether you really want people to jump on you or not - either way you're coming across as an idiot. This is a difficult subject - too difficult for you. Know your limitations, keep out of this whole subject. My advice. Or expect to get 'jumped on'/shot down like an idiot.
Heads should roll
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
"White" is such a strange "ethnicity" in this country. As the presumptive most representative "race" of American, it so often seems to be presented as an absence of ethnicity, or some kind of raceless race. Identifiable white American culture, country music for instance, tends to be roundly despised by anyone in this country who wishes to be considered sophisticated or even, in some arenas, intelligent. Is this white self-hatred? In such a climate of white denial, it seems the mixed-race child might gravitate to his or her non-white heritage.
"Raceless race." Damn it if you don't write like DT sometimes... and I mean that in a good/funny/ironic way.
White self-hate? No, at least not for me. The "white group" is so large there are so many reasons and other hate triggers that I really don't think skin color is the reason. That could just be city/country prejudice.
My white friends and I have this joke amongst ourselves: "Damn! We are so tired of white people! We KNOW all about white people. We know what they are going to say and do so how about some people of color?"
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