Help me - I'm confused by racial labels
POSTED BY: pizmobeach
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 16:59
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:Quote:
YOUR light ? What if most people don't agree with your light ?
Then you DISCUSS, you NEGOTIATE, something which, despite all his trashtalk, Wulf does in fact seem to making his best stab at - and gettin mucha nothin but sweat and regret back.
Yeah, telling someone to siddown and shut up when what they want in their hearts is to make the world a better place for everyone, even if they're going about it in a messed up kinda way - that's NOT a plan imma get on board with, and never will be.
Frankly, I find it offensive.
-F
Then you're no doubt offended when Wulfie essentially tells Rue to siddown and shuddup, yes? Because like it or not, that's what he's been doing every time she asks the uncomfortable questions.
And I'm not against negotiating and discussing these things; first, though, I think the question needs to be asked and considered: "Why do you think that?"
I'd really like to be able to call Wulf a "former racist" one day, and I'm hoping he'll help that happen.
Mike
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Is Obama a "Black President?" "African American?" "White?"
Our President is whatever he chooses to identify himself. His self identity is more important than what the rest of us choose to call him.
I'd just call him Sir.
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WULF
Quote:Good question. No idea.
Why do people feel the need to label someone as an African-American, or a Chinese-American? Instead of just American?
FREM
Quote:Indeed. You have a BIG double standard, Frem. I know that you have a soft spot in your heart for Wulf. That's OK, but don't pretend to be fair about it.
Then you're no doubt offended when Wulfie essentially tells Rue to siddown and shuddup, yes? Because like it or not, that's what he's been doing every time she asks the uncomfortable questions.
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Then if you dont want freedom, you can choose to never leave your house.
Leave my freedoms alone.
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"I'd just call him Sir."
Actually, isn't the correct honorific, "Mr. President"?
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That's probably quite correct.
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Originally posted by Grizwald:Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Is Obama a "Black President?" "African American?" "White?"
Our President is whatever he chooses to identify himself. His self identity is more important than what the rest of us choose to call him.
I'd just call him Sir.
Good point about how one identifies oneself - from what I've read that is a tough subject for those of mixed parents - who do I relate to? What's my culture?
In this case - our president - I do think it's important how the media labels him, especially given former president Carter's remarks and other opinions of the same.
Frem - I personally think that amongst his better posts Wulf just likes f*cking with liberals, likes to see them twist. I think their bleeding hearts offend him. Fine, have your sport, it's every bit as tiring as those that yell at him.
I do agree with his no-more-hyphens-Americans idea. I have always thought that hyphenated-American was odd (I'm Scotch-German-Irish-American - eh, wha?) and even slightly offensive, "you want to split from the rest of us - even though we're supposedly the land of immigrants, misfits and mutts??" But not having been in a minorities' shoes I gave up worrying about it - too much energy for something I'll never know or understand. I trust that it's sincere and that's enough.
But now? Now actually might be a good time for a silly broad nationalistic gesture, especially if it came from someone like BO - seems like he said that in his big debut speech many years ago...
"Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes.
Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America — there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America — there’s the United States of America."
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Then if you dont want freedom, you can choose to never leave your house.
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Wow, KPO, you would be "irked" with me if I said I had a boyfriend and when you met him he was other than Caucasian, because I hadn't mentioned it?
Hmmmm....verrrry interesting....
Ah, wait, there's more to it. You said the delineation was useful because of what it would give you "a general inkling of what might be her religion, politics, values, cullinary habits etc." Yet from what Rue said, describing her as Philippino ONLY tells you what she MIGHT look like (tho' if more than a couple of generations, maybe not even that...?), but nothing about the other things. Yet you focused on the physical characteristics.
I find that fascinating. How would you feel about a friend who told you they had a girlfriend in America, who told you all about their a general inkling of what might be her religion, politics, values, cullinary habits, etc., but didn't mention they were Philippino? Given Rue's example, it could be just the neighbor she's speaking of and none of those might give any indication of her race, yet when you met her in person, the first thing you'd notice (I'm assuming) would be her Philippino features. Would you still be "irked"? Just curious.
Mangolo, my since apologies on behalf of my country...or rather, those in my country who are ashamed of what happened. I know that's not all of us, even all of us here no doubt, but I abhorred it. Mob mentality; lowest possible denominator; and just plain letting fear get the better of one. We have a 7-11 run by a Muslim family where I used to buy my cigarettes. After I head about the various persecutions, next time I went in I asked if they were okay; they said their regular customers were all asking that and helping make sure nothing bad happened to them. I was proud to be a Marinite that day.
On the other hand, there was a restaurant I adored in town called Bamiyan (name of the place in Afghanistan where the huge statue of Buddha was carved into the mountain). It was the only place I could go to get Afghan food, and it disappeared. Dunno if it was harrassment or loss of business, but I sure miss it!Quote:
I think that's a waste of time. Would be a nice gesture, but would mean absolutely nothing to those who hate him, for whatever reason. I don't think we can appeal to ANY part of their nature to convince them to act differently. Gone too far. Can only hope time...but it's a faint hope, for me.
Now actually might be a good time for a silly broad nationalistic gesture, especially if it came from someone like BO - seems like he said that in his big debut speech many years ago...
Dream: You thought I was Black??? Where'd you get that idea...makes me smile. And who is Kathy? Actually, dad had real olive skin which I inherited--I have to work HARD to sunburn, and tan if I look at the sun sideways. Real dark. I've sometimes been asked if I'm Hispanic. Given I can't even speak Spanish, it always made me smile. So who knows? Tho' I know my mom was a French immigrant, all I know about dad is he came from "Back East somewhere"...most likely New York. Maybe I've got something in my heritage...I'd like that.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"I'd just call him Sir."
Actually, isn't the correct honorific, "Mr. President"?
In general, yes. But there are times when a simple "Yes, sir" or "No, sir" will suffice, such as answering a short, direct question. But for the most part, it's better to err on the side of caution, and address the President as "Mister (or Madame, hopefully one day) President".
So on the day we finally DO get a woman President, what shall we address her as? "Madame President" seems a little too formal, and possibly even a little too... hookerish, if you'll forgive the association.
"Mizz President"? "Missus President"? "Miss President"?
Just wondering...
Mike
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Cruel twisted smile
And the smile signals emptiness
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