The Hysterically Impotent AuRaptor!

POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
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JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, March 5, 2009 12:40 PM

Since Obama's inauguration, Americans have lost an additional 30% of our money. Our money has gone down in close step to Obama's announcements of doom and spending madness. His response is "we don't look at market fluctuations". No sir, the reality is Wall Street and foreign investors think your plan and vision is dangerous and disasterous. And to be so obtuse and insensitive to the financial hardships that YOUR 45 days of bashing the economy and blaming everyone else has done is quite frankly sickening and pathetic.

And besides, Mr. Obama, you didn't write the plan, you didn't even read the 1000 pages of it, did you? You're merely a figurehead, the messiah, the chosen one, and you travel around the country, give endlessly boring and frightening press conferences while your mesmorized lemmings faint and drool at your very presence, but you don't really get into doing any of the work, do you? That is ALL left to Pelosi and her band of leftist loons who have put forth a budget that rewards Democrat donors and supporters, and grants entitlements the the least worthy, all in a coordinated effort to assure Democratic political dominance for decades.

Now, your secret pit bull, but outwardly effeminent Chief Of Staff Rahm the Ripper Emmanuel is desperatley trying to distract Americans from the worsening economic crisis that you and your phony Presidency are creating. You're taking us from a recession right into global depression, which was your plan all along, right? You and your ilk want Americans to be dependent on the Govt. tit; you want Americans to stop thinking and mindlessly fall in line with you and Polly Pelosi. You're going after Rush Limbaugh as a distraction. Rahm Emmanuel and former Clinton hackistas Begalia & Carville are trying to score political points. FOR GOD'S SAKE WHY??? You won the fucking election with your money and lies, so you don't need to keep campaigning against Republicans, especially in the most petty and pathetic manner possible now, do you?

Americans are waking up to the realities of what Pelosi & Obama are doing. I expect tax revolts and a massive souring of the Obama mystique. You, President Obama, have LIED to America. You campaigned and promised:
Fiscal Transparency : Sure pal, Congress voted on it before they even could read it.
No Earmarks : The current $ 410 Billion omnibus spending with 8000+ earmarks should be vetoed, but won't be.
Line By Line Accounting...again, a total lie.
Change in Washington....sure Barack....sick your foaming at the mouth maniacs Carville & Begalia to attack Republicans, that's a nice change.
Fiscal Responsiblity...sure Mr President, while Americans take it in the nuts, you party and wine and dine every week, propose spending hundreds of millions of dollars on staff helicopters, office remodeling, and Pelosi Perks.

Hey Barack, it's time to start to be the President for ALL Americans, not just the ones that think you walk on water. If you don't wise up soon, your 1-term Presidency will go down in the books as a disaster for America, and you will be nothing but a curious footnote of historical importance.

KWICKO

Thursday, March 5, 2009 12:49 PM

In other words, you're mad because you feel that Obama is doing the same things you were perfectly okay with Bush doing?

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, March 5, 2009 1:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
In other words, you're mad because you feel that Obama is doing the same things you were perfectly okay with Bush doing?

All you got to offer is your endlessly boring and irrelevent Bush Derangement Syndrome excuses? Pretty pathetic pal. Address what I wrote about your beloved Obama, not a rehash of your relentless Bush/Cheney hatred. Face it, Obama's taken the Bush numbers and just made them ten times worse. Every time he or idiot Geithner speaks, my retirement is pushed back another year. Matter of fact, what retirement? Thank you President Pelosi, I mean Obama.

KWICKO

Thursday, March 5, 2009 2:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
In other words, you're mad because you feel that Obama is doing the same things you were perfectly okay with Bush doing?

All you got to offer is your endlessly boring and irrelevent Bush Derangement Syndrome excuses? Pretty pathetic pal. Address what I wrote about your beloved Obama, not a rehash of your relentless Bush/Cheney hatred. Face it, Obama's taken the Bush numbers and just made them ten times worse. Every time he or idiot Geithner speaks, my retirement is pushed back another year. Matter of fact, what retirement? Thank you President Pelosi, I mean Obama.

Nah, I'm just savoring the delicious irony of all the people who spent the last 8 years going, "...But CLINTON! But CLINTON!" now whining about the "Bush derangement syndrome". Every time any of us tried to criticize Bush, we got an earful of "But CLINTON...!" So now you get to see what that's like, which amuses me to no end...

Mike

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, March 5, 2009 2:34 PM

Good...you keep enjoying playing your politics while all our money goes down the drain. He's sure bringing about the change he promised; a big change for the worse.

PIZMOBEACH

Thursday, March 5, 2009 2:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

What can one say about Barack Obama? I say he's a guilt-laden Liberal's far-left wet dream come true. And I'm wondering just when he will actually start being the President.

Since his inauguration, Americans have lost an additional 30% of their money. His response is "we don't look at market fluctuations". No sir, the reality is Wall Street and foreign investors think your plan and vision is dangerous and disasterous. And to be so obtuse and insensitive to the financial hardships that YOUR 45 days of bashing the economy and blaming everyone else has done is quite frankly sickening and pathetic.

And besides, Mr. Obama, you didn't write the plan, you didn't even read the 1000 pages of it, did you? You're merely a figurehead, the messiah, the chosen one, and you travel around the country, give endlessly boring and frightening press conferences while your mesmorized lemmings faint and drool at your very presence, but you don't really get into doing any of the work, do you? That is ALL left to Pelosi and her band of leftist loons who have put forth a budget that rewards Democrat donors and supporters, and grants entitlements the the least worthy, all in a coordinated effort to assure Democratic political dominance for decades.

Now, your secret pit bull, but outwardly effeminent Chief Of Staff Rahm the Ripper Emmanuel is desperatley trying to distract Americans from the worsening economic crisis that you and your phony Presidency are creating. You're taking us from a recession right into global depression, which was your plan all along, right? You and your ilk want Americans to be dependent on the Govt. tit; you want Americans to stop thinking and mindlessly fall in line with you and Polly Pelosi. You're going after Rush Limbaugh as a distraction. Rahm Emmanuel and former Clinton hackistas Begalia & Carville are trying to score political points. FOR GOD'S SAKE WHY??? You won the fucking election with your money and lies, so you don't need to keep campaigning against Republicans, especially in the most petty and pathetic manner possible now, do you?

Americans are waking up to the realities of what Pelosi & Obama are doing. I expect tax revolts and a massive souring of the Obama mystique. You, President Obama, have LIED to America. You campaigned and promised:
Fiscal Transparency : Sure pal, Congress voted on it before they even could read it.
No Earmarks : The current $ 410 Billion omnibus spending with 8000+ earmarks should be vetoed, but won't be.
Line By Line Accounting...again, a total lie.
Change in Washington....sure Barack....sick your foaming at the mouth maniacs Carville & Begalia to attack Republicans, that's a nice change.
Fiscal Responsiblity...sure Mr President, while Americans take it in the nuts, you party and wine and dine every week, propose spending hundreds of millions of dollars on staff helicopters, office remodeling, and Pelosi Perks.

Hey Barack, it's time to start to be the President for ALL Americans, not just the ones that think you walk on water. If you don't wise up soon, your 1-term Presidency will go down in the books as a disaster for America, and you will be nothing but a curious footnote of historical importance.

That's like a daffy duck rant, "You're despicable!"

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:04 PM

Might be a rant, but it's all TRUE, and you know it. That's why you cannot dispute it, you can only demonize it. Try again, I'm not impressed. Offer something relevant this time, if that's possible for you. I will cede you half a point for the nice Daffy Duck picture.

PIZMOBEACH

Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Might be a rant, but it's all TRUE, and you know it. That's why you cannot dispute it, you can only demonize it. Try again, I'm not impressed. Offer something relevant this time, if that's possible for you. I will cede you half a point for the nice Daffy Duck picture.

Humor is relevant and Daffy is loved world wide - so you are in good company.

As to your contentions, there are so many that I would dispute, but honestly the gap between our world perception is so wide... what would be the point? Would it do any good to prove you wrong? I have seen both sides proved wrong, repeatedly, and it hasn't stopped anyone from continuing to wave their party flag and march in lock step with their leaders. It's pitiful to see the limits of human understanding on both sides. And that is why I joke.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, March 5, 2009 3:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Might be a rant, but it's all TRUE, and you know it. That's why you cannot dispute it, you can only demonize it. Try again, I'm not impressed. Offer something relevant this time, if that's possible for you. I will cede you half a point for the nice Daffy Duck picture.

Humor is relevant and Daffy is loved world wide - so you are in good company.

As to your contentions, there are so many that I would dispute, but honestly the gap between our world perception is so wide... what would be the point? Would it do any good to prove you wrong? I have seen both sides proved wrong, repeatedly, and it hasn't stopped anyone from continuing to wave their party flag and march in lock step with their leaders. It's pitiful to see the limits of human understanding on both sides. And that is why I joke.

Who knew we had so much in common other than love of Firefly & Daffy Duck. Thanks for putting a smile on my face today.

KWICKO

Thursday, March 5, 2009 7:08 PM

Jongs, if I seem unconcerned, it's simply because... well, because I'm unconcerned! I warned everyone I could, going into the last election cycle, and the one before that, that what would work BEST for us in this case was for one party to control the Congress and the other hold the White House, or at the very least have a split Congress, with one party in charge of the House and the other in charge of the Senate. That way, the vast majority of petty bullshit gets gridlocked to death, and only truly important stuff that both sides agree on gets through to the President for his signature or veto.

Frem warned you, I warned you, and nobody listened. So what the hell do you want me to do NOW? Point at Obama and say he's doing exactly what Bush and his cronies did, or Clinton before him, or Reagan before that? Remember the "Republican Revolution", where they were going to tell Clinton how it was going to be? Remember Rove and his "permanent majority"?

What were those, if not plans and outright attempts (often successful, at least in the short term) to "game the system" and take an unfair advantage? And NOW you want to scream "Foul!"? Why, because the "other guys" are doing the same shit back to you and yours that you were only too happy to do to them and theirs?

What goes around comes around, and everyone goes under the wheels sooner or later. If you don't want this shit to happen to you, don't support it when they're doing it to others in your name.

The only thing I can say is, "I told you so."

So yeah, having seen this one coming, and telling people it was coming, and being ignored or called paranoid, it occurs to me that I'm not going to whine about it happening now; I'm going to sit back and laugh my ass off as it all comes crumbling down around you. In other words, if we're headed off a cliff, if we're being driven straight into hell, then I call shotgun, and I plan to enjoy the ride!

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

STORYMARK

Thursday, March 5, 2009 7:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
In other words, you're mad because you feel that Obama is doing the same things you were perfectly okay with Bush doing?

All you got to offer is your endlessly boring and irrelevent Bush Derangement Syndrome excuses? Pretty pathetic pal. Address what I wrote about your beloved Obama, not a rehash of your relentless Bush/Cheney hatred. Face it, Obama's taken the Bush numbers and just made them ten times worse. Every time he or idiot Geithner speaks, my retirement is pushed back another year. Matter of fact, what retirement? Thank you President Pelosi, I mean Obama.

Nah, I'm just savoring the delicious irony of all the people who spent the last 8 years going, "...But CLINTON! But CLINTON!" now whining about the "Bush derangement syndrome". Every time any of us tried to criticize Bush, we got an earful of "But CLINTON...!" So now you get to see what that's like, which amuses me to no end...

Mike

Yeah, that is amusing. also, the complete dodge over how happy they were with the same tactics from Bush...

Entertaining, it is.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, March 6, 2009 12:28 AM

Okaaayyy.

Now that the obligatory snark is out of the way, cause we perhaps discuss unfucking the situation, then ?

Seriously, Jongstraw has indicated what appears to me to be a sincere desire to do so, and yet when he reaches across the aisle, albeit in a snarky not-quite-admitting fault manner, y'all slap his hand away ?

Come on, let's leave the petty shit off for a while, ok ?

I ain't too damn impressed with the new POTUS myself, and from what I have seen so far prolly ain't gonna be - we can do better than this, and we DAMNED well better get our shit together in time to ambush Congress with some real challenges to their comfy, cushy chairs or nothin is gonna get no better.

That, and prettymuch EVERYONE wants rid of Pelosi, yes ?

We can DO this, and this is not a time to let petty snark drive off potential allies, folk.

-F

SIGNYM

Friday, March 6, 2009 12:47 AM

Jong, I hate to say this but... you're STUPID. Do you REALLY think that it's NOT the rapacious overextended CEOs that got us into this mess in the first place, aided and abetted by Bush??? WHY do you think that this kind of shit happens every time the disparity in income.... AIDED AND ABEETED BY BUSH.... reaches "historic" proportions?

I've been predicitng the great depression for a couple of years now. Had "Let's party like it's 1929" as my tag-line for a loooong time. Everybody thought "It couldn't happen". Man, we were laying on the train tracks, and the train was coming. It's NOT something that anyone can instantaneously reverse. Bush sowed the wind. Now we're reaping the whirlwind.

God, you're such a tool.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

SIGNYM

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:03 AM

BTW- Speaking of historically important... I've also said that Bush will be remembered as the President who oversaw the beginning of the end of the American empire.

Y'all said... "It won't happen; it CAN'T happen".

Heh.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:14 AM

Okay, here's the thing. Things went utterly and completely to hell under Bush, abetted by Clinton's policies, and those of Reagan before him. Things were well and truly on their course to go tits-up some time ago, and there were some of us warning of it. Specifically, I warned that Iraq would cost us TRILLIONS, and could very well put us deeper into debt than we could realistically dig out of. And yet, when we complained that Bush was setting us on a disastrous course, we were shouted down. When things DID go wrong, it was brushed aside, and every evaluation of Bush came with a shit-ton of caveats and qualifiers. "Yeah, but he had 9/11... yeah, but he had Katrina... Yeah, but he had Iraq..." - as if Presidents in ALL ages haven't had their share of crap to deal with! And a huge portion of Bush's "problems" that he had to deal with were of his own making.

And at the exact same time Bush was being excused for his every peccadillo, Clinton was being vilified, and we were being told by the right that FDR, far from getting us out of the Great Depression, actually made it worse with his policies, and that Hoover had us on the road to recovery in 1929... Not one of those Bush apologists has EVER stepped forward and said of FDR, "Yeah, but had the Depression... Yeah, but he had Pearl Harbor... Yeah, but he had World War II... Yeah, but he had 23% unemployment to deal with..."

Did FDR take extraordinary actions? He sure did. Did they work? Well, the post-war period saw a prosperity unrivaled by any nation before it, so apparently it DID have SOME positive effect.

So Bush is our generation's Hoover. Thank your lucky stars that McCain didn't get elected - "The fundamentals of our economy are strong," he says, as the economy collapses around his head. Is Obama going to have to take some extraordinary measures? Almost certainly - the clusterfuck that Bush handed him pretty much sealed that deal.

For future reference, if you don't want "the other guy" to bend you over and break one off in you, then don't let "your guy" leave things in such a mess that he has to. And that goes for the economy, the military, homeland security, torture, wiretaps, eavesdropping, espionage, and the whole goddam ball of wax. Are you going to cry and whine when it's revealed that Obama is continuing to torture? I sure as hell will, because to me, it's wrong NO MATTER WHO'S DOING IT! That's the point many of you on the right seem to miss: wrong is wrong, no matter if it's your guy or "my guy" that's doing it. I want ALL OF THEM held to the high standard, because a nation can be best judged by how it treats the very worst of its people, not just by how it treats the best.

Sooooo... If you can get behind this idea, then let's move forward. If not, then you get exactly the government that you deserve.

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

KIRKULES

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
BTW- Speaking of historically important... I've also said that Bush will be remembered as the President who oversaw the beginning of the end of the American empire.

Y'all said... "It won't happen; it CAN'T happen".

Heh.

And one of your favorite Presidents told us that the business cycle no longer applies, wasn't true then and isn't true now. You all have gone from preddicting endless prosperity to global armageddon and the only thing that has changed is the occupant of the White House. A few months from now when the economy turns you'll be attributing it to your savior and ignoring the business cycle again.

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
BTW- Speaking of historically important... I've also said that Bush will be remembered as the President who oversaw the beginning of the end of the American empire.

Y'all said... "It won't happen; it CAN'T happen".

Heh.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Is the American Empire another one of those "too big to fail" kind of things?

There's a paradigm shift going on in this country right now. "Too big to fail" is starting to be understood as "too big to exist".

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:18 AM

Quote:
A few months from now when the economy turns you'll be attributing it to your savior and ignoring the business cycle again.

Kirk, I hope you're right; I really do. Of course, IF the economy turns in a few months, you'll be the first (okay, second - behind LapdogRaptor) to say that Obama's policies had NOTHING to do with it, or worse, actually DELAYED the turnaround.

SIGNYM

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:25 AM

Quote:
You all have gone from preddicting endless prosperity to global armageddon and the only thing that has changed is the occupant of the White House.

"You all"???

WHO all?

Not me!

Not anyone I know!

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

KIRKULES

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
A few months from now when the economy turns you'll be attributing it to your savior and ignoring the business cycle again.

Kirk, I hope you're right; I really do. Of course, IF the economy turns in a few months, you'll be the first (okay, second - behind LapdogRaptor) to say that Obama's policies had NOTHING to do with it, or worse, actually DELAYED the turnaround.

I do believe the economy will begin to recover towards the end of this year, but it will be in spite of Obama not because of him. The only thing any President can do to have a effect on the economy over such a short period of time is to inspire confidence in the system and talk up the economy. Until recently Obama has done just the opposite. Hopefully now that he has his stimulus package he'll start talking positively about the economy and inspire a few companies to start hiring again. If the economy is booming again 9 months from now it won't be due to Obama's economic policies, but it could be due to his ability to inspire confidence in the system the way Reagan did. If Obama changes his tune and stokes the business cycle instead of pretending his stimulus is our only hope, I'll give him some credit, but the economic cycle will turn things eventually despite Obama. My main concern is that his policies will limit the growth potential of this country for many years to come.

SIGNYM

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:41 AM

You're such a boob.

WHAT are people going to buy with?

More credit?

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

KIRKULES

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
You're such a boob.

WHAT are people going to buy with?

More credit?

Despite a hurendous fourth quarter GDP number the yearly GDP actually grew slightly last year. It's not like all economic activity has stopped.

I hereby predict the end of the world by asteroid strike. Science shows that I have a 99% chance of being correct some day.

SIGNYM

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:19 AM

Well, I stand by my predictions. Roughly 12% are either late on their mortgage payments or facing default. Since they represent about 30% of the population (roughly 33% rent, 33% own outright, and 33% pay mortgage) that's a pretty big chunk ... 4% ... of the spending population.

So far, I've been right, altho in this case I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

We'll see.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

RUE

Friday, March 6, 2009 3:14 AM

"You all have gone from preddicting endless prosperity ..."

That would be Rap, your capitalism cheerleader comrade. Pretty much everyone else was laughing at him.

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Silence is consent.

RUE

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:19 AM

"Despite a horrendous fourth quarter GDP number the yearly GDP actually grew slightly last year. It's not like all economic activity has stopped."

GDP is not a valid indicator. One way it can go up is by devaluing the currency. The other way it can go up is if people use capital to acquire businesses - it looks like a sale, but it isn't, it's just existing stuff being moved around between equal players.

Demand only happens when a lot of people with money (or credit) spend. Demand is not going to go up, it's going to tank even more, and take the economy with it.

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At present, Obama is clearly not getting to crux of the problems. And he probably won't be able to for a while b/c the political will is just not there.

"Study finds third of Americans under 65 had no health insurance at some point in the past two years." Well, people skate by without insurance all the time. Sometimes they stay healthy, sometimes they get sick and don't get treated, sometimes they end up in bankruptcy. The AARP estimates 1.85 million Americans go bankrupt every year due to medical bills. But that's less than 1% of the US population. When it happens in YOUR family it's devastating. But unless it happens en masse, people just won't care. So will Obama get the push he needs to change the health care system ? No, despite the fact that it's a vitally important POLICY issue.

Unemployment - the rate rose in February to 7.6%. That's somewhat under 1 in every 10 people. But if it's not YOU - why should you care ? Somewhat over 90% of people don't care. Fixing the job situation, extending unemployment benefits - not a concern to the vast majority of Americans.

The mortgage crisis - "Nearly 12% of all mortgages are either late, delinquent, or are in foreclosure." Roughly 1/3 of families are paying on a house. So 12% of 1/3 is roughly 4% of American families. Only 4% ! If people can ignore the 1/3 without health insurance and the 8% without a job, surely 4% losing their homes is vanishingly small. But there will be lots of good deals out there, you betcha'.

Banks - we have the recent example of Argentina closing its banks so that people couldn't withdraw their money, and then changing the currency and wiping out hoarding, and savings. But we're not there --- yet. And so banks will continue to operate the way they've been operating, and no one will care what they do. Any attempt at reform will be met with resistance to 'socialism'.

The same goes for many of the country's problems. Until unemployment is at 30%, and people are in bread lines to avoid starving on the street, and Hoovervilles spring up everywhere, any measure Obama tries to take will be seen as too extreme.

That's why these problems are not going to be fixed until they get much, much worse.

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Silence is consent.

RUE

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:30 AM

And then there are your heroes at work, doing their level best to make things worse, eh Jongs ?

Senate Republicans force delay on spending bill

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Silence is consent.

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:35 AM

So Rue - It almost sounds like you're saying the only way to pull out of this dive is to aim straight at the ground and firewall the throttles. Which makes sense if you're a pilot, even if it sounds suicidal. When you've got a dead stick and a stalled aircraft, one quick way to get airflow across the control surfaces so you can have control again is to put the nose straight down, so you can build up speed to more quickly gain maneuverability.

So if it's not going to get better until it gets much worse, then let's hurry up the worse!

Sounds like you and I have the same idea in mind, but for much different reasons - like I said before, if we're going off a cliff, I call shotgun. If we're in a nosedive, slam those throttles forward and put that nose down!

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

RUE

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:41 AM

I don't see a way to temporize out of this. Half-measures won't do.

So yeah, go for the gusto.

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I like corny old jokes. Do you remember the beer commercial that went - you only go around once in this life, so you have to grab for all the gusto you can get.

The addendum by the jokesters went - of course, you might get slapped down once or twice ...

And I also like corny new jokes in commercials. I think my favorite are the 'real men of genius' commercials. Dignity is overrated ...

Anyway, it's been a long, long, looong day. Doing lots of family medical stuff, only this time around it's me spending 5 hours a day 4 days a week at trying to not hurt quite so much. So I'm going to sign off and call it a day's end.

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
In other words, you're mad because you feel that Obama is doing the same things you were perfectly okay with Bush doing?

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Only Obama is spending more in 2 1/2 months than Bush spent in 8 yrs, fighting 2 wars and a series of hurricanes.

Bravo, Barry.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Jong, I hate to say this but... you're STUPID. Do you REALLY think that it's NOT the rapacious overextended CEOs that got us into this mess in the first place, aided and abetted by Bush??? WHY do you think that this kind of shit happens every time the disparity in income.... AIDED AND ABEETED BY BUSH.... reaches "historic" proportions?

I've been predicitng the great depression for a couple of years now. Had "Let's party like it's 1929" as my tag-line for a loooong time. Everybody thought "It couldn't happen". Man, we were laying on the train tracks, and the train was coming. It's NOT something that anyone can instantaneously reverse. Bush sowed the wind. Now we're reaping the whirlwind.

God, you're such a tool.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Signy, To you and your fellow Bush Derangement Sufferers FOR LIFE victims, you're all a bunch of gutless cowards and suicidal ideologues. You fail to address any point I make about your precious Obama. Instead you blast Bush and me.

Obama and his crack team of tax cheats are making it worse every day for our savings and retirement plans. He's bankrupting America for our children and their grandchildren. He's running amok with power and imaginary tax money. He's taken a economic crisis and used it as an excuse to initiate 40 years of Liberal bad ideas rejected in the past as disasterous, but because it's Obama it's all supposed to work now. What callous stupidity and demonic hijacking of American ecomonic and cultural values. Wall Street knows it, all citizens with any investments know it, but you and your merry band of pan flute players prance around in Obama bliss, oblivious to what's right in front of you.

I see Obama for what he truly is...... a mere figurehead, a pretty talker to give speeches to the ignorant masses, while Pelosi, Reid, and the far-Left Dems suck the lifeblood out of what's left of this economy in their demented quest to transform America into a socialist cradle-to-grave nanny-state for their loser misfit voter base. And, of course, if anyone disagrees with these plans, Obama and Emmanuel send out their on-call ex-Clinton smarmy attack dogs Carville & Begalia. What a freak show. How's your money doing under Obama pal? I guess you like going to the poorhouse.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:03 PM

Calling Barack, at this point, an important historical president is not only insane, but I think it's even so far as racist to say or believe.

It is true that he will be remembered (I'm sure in some bastardized form, either good or bad) in history lessons as being the first president that wasn't a white male, but other than that he has a long way to go before proving that he's going to be remembered in a favorible light.

In my eyes Georgie set it all up for Bamma to knock down. Two peas in a pod, them crazy characters. Two sides of the same coin.

Here's hoping that we as a nation can finally get past the color of his skin so political cartoonists can be funny again.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:13 PM

6ix, you should send your post to NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, PBS, CNN, and even Fox. They all gushed with that phrase on Inauguration Day. It was almost as if he was the first Afican-American to ever do ANYTHING in America. It was so over-the-top I couldn't watch or listen to it. Maybe there's a fine line between " historically important" versus "important historically". To me he's just an empty shell, a pure politician, and his charisma and eloquence do not impress me one iota. Good luck to you.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:20 PM

They're all part of the same thing man. Even if the story did make it and I went on Larry King and said it out loud, it would be forgotten 1 month from now whether there were opposition there who tore me to shreds or everyone loved it so much that they lined up to pleasure me orally.

No point.....

He is just an empty shell. I would have been just as critical of McCain right now. Nobody who really had a chance here would have stood for any kind of meaningful change.

Maybe if everyone is lucky he'll be good enough to escape his second term with a higher approval rating than Bush left with. Shouldn't be too hard to do since Bush was a hand puppet for Satan.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:22 PM

Quote:
Only Obama is spending more in 2 1/2 months than Bush spent in 8 yrs, fighting 2 wars and a series of hurricanes.

Well, if that's the kind of metric you want to use...

Bush got more Americans killed in one day than Clinton did in 8 years!

Hey, YOU wanted to play it that way...

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Only Obama is spending more in 2 1/2 months than Bush spent in 8 yrs, fighting 2 wars and a series of hurricanes.

Well, if that's the kind of metric you want to use...

Bush got more Americans killed in one day than Clinton did in 8 years!

Hey, YOU wanted to play it that way...

Wow... eye for an eye. Ain't that the way they still play in uncivilized countries?

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:48 PM

Kwik, Maybe, just maybe, if Clinton had responded in some meaningful way against Al Qaeda after they attacked us numerous times, 911 would not have occurred in the first place? Ever think about that? But hey, I'd take Bill Clinton back now as President for Life in a minute it was possible. Compared to Obama and the current crop of spendaholics and social re-engineers in Government, including lots of Republicans who are equally despicable, Bill Clinton was a fiscally responsible and diligently fair-minded President. The 1990's were great years for Americans. That's his legacy in my book. Bush & Cheney totally over-reacted to events after 911, and led America down a dark path for sure. A change was certainly in order, but I don't think we have to become European socialists and terrorist appeasers in the process of healing. There is a middle ground somewhere.

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 3:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Only Obama is spending more in 2 1/2 months than Bush spent in 8 yrs, fighting 2 wars and a series of hurricanes.

Well, if that's the kind of metric you want to use...

Bush got more Americans killed in one day than Clinton did in 8 years!

Hey, YOU wanted to play it that way...

Bush got no one killed on 9/11 , you back birth. We were ATTACKED. Is your god damn pea sized brain so wrapped around political spin that you don't see what actually happened? Dem, GOP, black, white, man , woman, gay, straight.... you fucking idiot, ALL of us were attacked. And it wasn't because of BUSH, this attack was several yrs in the making.

I'm not PLAYING it any sort of way. I'm just giving you the facts. Instead of dealing w/ them, you come up w/ some wild ass, unrelated piece of go se you think is analogous to what I said. Not only are you wrong, but you're also a coward for not dealing w/ the issue at hand. You have to go back to blaming Bush for 9/11, as a straw man argument is the BEST damn thing you have.

Fucking coward.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 6, 2009 3:07 PM

We were attacked.

The proper response would have been to drop a big old nuke and turned 50 square miles to glass.

9/11 would have just been a footnote now, instead of the second war that bankrupted America. (The first being the "War" on drugs).

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 3:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Fucking coward.

[Robocop voice]
Now now, that's not very nice, is it? Bad language makes for bad feelings.
[/Robocop voice]

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 3:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Only Obama is spending more in 2 1/2 months than Bush spent in 8 yrs, fighting 2 wars and a series of hurricanes.

Well, if that's the kind of metric you want to use...

Bush got more Americans killed in one day than Clinton did in 8 years!

Hey, YOU wanted to play it that way...

Bush got no one killed on 9/11 , you back birth. We were ATTACKED. Is your god damn pea sized brain so wrapped around political spin that you don't see what actually happened? Dem, GOP, black, white, man , woman, gay, straight.... you fucking idiot, ALL of us were attacked. And it wasn't because of BUSH, this attack was several yrs in the making.

I'm not PLAYING it any sort of way. I'm just giving you the facts. Instead of dealing w/ them, you come up w/ some wild ass, unrelated piece of go se you think is analogous to what I said. Not only are you wrong, but you're also a coward for not dealing w/ the issue at hand. You have to go back to blaming Bush for 9/11, as a straw man argument is the BEST damn thing you have.

Fucking coward.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...

You're real big on calling people "fucking coward", but I ask again, for the record, how many tours you did in Iraq or Afghanistan. You're so fucking gung-ho on war, WHY DIDN'T YOU EVER JOIN AND SERVE? Because you, you piece of dogshit, are a TRUE fucking coward. You have all the rhetoric, but have never once stood up for what you claim to believe in. And you never, ever will.

I brought up 9/11 because it's been your contention that the 9/11 attacks were hastened and enabled by Clinton's inaction - JUST AS THE ECONOMIC MELTDOWN WAS HASTENED AND ENABLED BY BUSH'S POLICIES! You want to whine and cry about how much Obama has spent, but you'll never utter a word about the abominable condition that Bush left our nation, our economy, and our world in, which made it UNAVOIDABLE that Obama would have to take drastic measures to dig us out of the hole that Bush and his cronies left us in.

Bush pissed away our nation's future chasing phantoms in Iraq, when he could have been securing our future by chasing REAL terrorists instead. Your idol, your hero, well and truly FUCKED this country, possibly in an irreversible way!

Deal with THAT, you fucking pussy.

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 3:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
possibly in an irreversible way!

It's never going to be the 80's again, that's for sure & that's for certain.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Fucking coward.

[Robocop voice]
Now now, that's not very nice, is it? Bad language makes for bad feelings.
[/Robocop voice]

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

I refuse to sit idly by when folks dismiss 9/11 and try to play it as some sort of political prop. The event really did happen. Nearly 3000 people really did die, and it wasn't the equivolent to some mud slide in Central America or the sum total of people who died in car accidents over the 4th of July Holiday across the country.

A group of very evil men planned, plotted and carried out this attack. While they carrying this attack out, flight attendants and pilots had their necks slit open w/ box cutters, as co-workers and passengers stared on and watched in stunned disbelief.

And for what ? What reason did they die for ? Why ?

I'll tell you why. Because of a religious mentality that thinks all such actions as slicing the throat of a young flight attendant was some how a holy and sanctioned act by God™ himself.

It's not about Clinton getting serviced by an intern in the Oval Office.

It's not about how Bush mangles the English language.

It's about the Islamo wackos who want to convert or kill the rest of the planet, and don't care how much blood is spilled to accomplish their goals.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:15 PM

mike

You're the fucking pussy, and you know it. That's why you ignore the topic and instead try to hurl personal insults at me while raising straw man arguments. You can't deal w/ the issue, so you get all emotional and try to change the topic.

THAT makes you a coward.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's about the Islamo wackos who want to convert or kill the rest of the planet, and don't care how much blood is spilled to accomplish their goals.

They have made of you the fanatic they themselves are.
Their mission has been largely accomplished.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's about the Islamo wackos who want to convert or kill the rest of the planet, and don't care how much blood is spilled to accomplish their goals.

They have made of you the fanatic they themselves are.
Their mission has been largely accomplished.

You are the actively ignorant.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's about the Islamo wackos who want to convert or kill the rest of the planet, and don't care how much blood is spilled to accomplish their goals.

They have made of you the fanatic they themselves are.
Their mission has been largely accomplished.

You are the actively ignorant.

YES! The patented Rubber/Glue response! Ya gotta love it!

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:42 PM

Chris,

A man runs through a town, hacking women and children on the street, and you'd say we do nothing ?

" Oh, to go after that maniac would be to fall down to his level. He'd want us to capture him, tie him up and keep him from harming anyone ever again. Don't stoop to his level. Don't play his game "

That's how you sound.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

A man runs through a town, hacking women and children on the street, and you'd say we do nothing ?

You shoot him.
Not his family. Not everyone in the town where he was born. Not his grade school buddy.
That's all.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:51 PM

Quote:
A man runs through a town, hacking women and children on the street

IN SOME FARAWAY COUNTRY

Quote:
and you'd say we do nothing ?

Maybe not.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

DICKCHENEY

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
In other words, you're mad because you feel that Obama is doing the same things you were perfectly okay with Bush doing?
'

Only Obama is spending more in 2 1/2 months than Bush spent in 8 yrs, fighting 2 wars and a series of hurricanes.

Bravo, Barry.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

Go Fuck Yourself!

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

A man runs through a town, hacking women and children on the street, and you'd say we do nothing ?

Oh, I'm sorry, did I miss that this was supposed to be Saddam hisself?
Yes, blow him up, & his country if they resist. And Korea, and Darfur, Zimbabwe, Chunks of China, that shop in Japan that sells real snuff DVD's....

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
mike

You're the fucking pussy, and you know it. That's why you ignore the topic and instead try to hurl personal insults at me while raising straw man arguments. You can't deal w/ the issue, so you get all emotional and try to change the topic.

THAT makes you a coward.

[sarcasm]REAAAALLLLYYYY[/sarcasm]

Who was it that called me "asshole" in this very thread? Who was it that called me "fucking coward"- in this very thread? Who started with the hurling of personal insults, ya big fat pussy?

As for strawmen, I'll defer to your expertise. Every time someone asks the uncomfortable question, you (a) strawman it to death ("Rush isn't the leader of the Republican party - NANCY PELOSI *DEMANDS* a big fat jet!!"), (b) disappear, or (c) both of the above, in quick succession. Just like the true fucking cowardly little pussy that you are.

Mike

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:03 PM

Quote:

Kwik, Maybe, just maybe, if Clinton had responded in some meaningful way against Al Qaeda after they attacked us numerous times, 911 would not have occurred in the first place? Ever think about that?

Yeah, I have thought about it, Jong - have YOU? Do you really have that short a memory? Or were you just terminally unaware back then? You don't remember a certain President (seems like his name was Clinton, if memory serves) going after Osama bin Laden, launching Tomahawk cruise missiles at locations where actionable intel said that bin Laden was holed up? You don't remember anything about a certain "baby formula" factory being blown up? You don't remember the Repugs in Congress going on and on and on about how Clinton was "wagging the dog" to keep people from asking questions about Monica Lewinsky?

Honestly, you don't remember ANY of that?

Wow, you're almost as dim as AuLapdog, aren't you?

Thing is, Clinton DID try to take out bin Laden, and targetted Al Qaeda - and got zero support from the Republican Congress for doing so. He ultimately failed to take them out, but he failed no more than Bush, and his failure cost us one hell of a lot fewer American deaths than did Bush's failures.

Mike

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
the true fucking cowardly little pussy that you are.

"Don't mince words, Bones, how do you really feel?"

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:04 PM

Sig...... the concept of the analogy is beyond you.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

[sarcasm]REAAAALLLLYYYY[/sarcasm]

Who was it that called me "asshole" in this very thread? Who was it that called me "fucking coward"- in this very thread? Who started with the hurling of personal insults, ya big fat pussy?

As for strawmen, I'll defer to your expertise. Every time someone asks the uncomfortable question, you (a) strawman it to death ("Rush isn't the leader of the Republican party - NANCY PELOSI *DEMANDS* a big fat jet!!"), (b) disappear, or (c) both of the above, in quick succession. Just like the true fucking cowardly little pussy that you are.

Mike

You continue to try to change the topic. Amazing.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Thing is, Clinton DID try to take out bin Laden, and targetted Al Qaeda - and got zero support from the Republican Congress for doing so. He ultimately failed to take them out, but he failed no more than Bush, and his failure cost us one hell of a lot fewer American deaths than did Bush's failures.

Good points. Wasn't there also a bounty on Bin-boy?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:06 PM

Quote:

Obama and his crack team of tax cheats are making it worse every day for our savings and retirement plans. He's bankrupting America for our children and their grandchildren.

Jong, you and Lapdog sound like you really think that NONE of the economic collapse was happening, or being set up to happen, in the days before Obama took office. That's a really, REALLY dumb way to look at it. That's like calling the bomb squad when you find the ticking package on your doorstep, and then having them tell you they can't start to dismantle the bomb until AFTER it goes off, because at the moment it isn't doing anything bad, just ticking!

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig...... the concept of the analogy is beyond you.

As was my analogy beyond you, apparently.

My god, but you're stupid.

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:08 PM

Quote:

You continue to try to change the topic. Amazing.

As do you! :)

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

CITIZEN

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
We were attacked.

The proper response would have been to drop a big old nuke and turned 50 square miles to glass.

9/11 would have just been a footnote now, instead of the second war that bankrupted America. (The first being the "War" on drugs).

Because America can drop nukes on who it likes, and just carry on without incident. Or more likely every other nation with nukes would suddenly get a little twitchy around the insane aggressor...

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

RUE

Friday, March 6, 2009 6:48 PM

Rap

"What bothers me in the coverage of this overall is that everyone is focused on the big number1: the Post says "Obama's spending plans would push the 2009 budget deficit to a massive $1.75 trillion." There are two ways to report this, of course, and the second way, still honest and a bit more explanatory, is, "Obama's 2009 budget will add $550 billion to the already staggering $1.2 trillion deficit." Which makes it seem a little disingenuous when Sen. Mitch McConnell calls the budget full of "unprecedented spending increases." There's precedent in the New Deal, which I understand conservatives are uncomfortable with; there's also substantial precedent in the last 8 years."

And THIS little gem from the BUSH administration? "November 10, 2008: Bloomberg News Sues Bush, Paulson for Failure to Reveal Recipients of $2 Trillion Taxpayer Loans" 2 TRILLION in loans up to 8 trillion, unaccounted for, off the books, with no documentation, no requirements to pay back, no requirements to do ANYTHNG with the money such as lend it out. Those big fat bonuses ? I guess they gave it to themsleves for scoring such a great deal from Bush. "The legality of Treasury-negotiated equity deals for many US banks is questioned by tax attorneys, as well as nearly $2 trillion that Ben Bernanke of the Federal Reserve handed out in emergency loans before the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, was enacted (see October 3, 2008). The Fed refuses to reveal which corporations received loans, or what collateral has been presented. Sources say that this secrecy is a legal violation. The Federal Reserve’s lending is significant because the central bank has stepped into a rescue role that was also the purpose of the TARP bailout plan, although without safeguards put into the TARP legislation by Congress."

H Paul Bremmer III handing out billions in wheelbarrows of cash in Iraq was a piker compared to Bush, Paulson and Bernacke.

BUSH did that, you idiot. (Apologies to idiots.)

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BTW Rap - I truly hope you are deeply invested in the stock market.

SIGNYM

Friday, March 6, 2009 6:52 PM

But BUSH did it, so it's OK.

(And that infamous "liberal" media covered up for him.)

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, March 6, 2009 8:30 PM

Quote:
Or more likely every other nation with nukes would suddenly get a little twitchy around the insane aggressor...

You mean they're not already ?

Oh, and for the record, someone kindly remind me who installed, propped up and initially financed Saddam Hussien, cause it seems like everyone else forgot...

Or how about who trained, financed and installed Tim Osm.. , oops, sorry, Osama Bin Laden, and the branch of Mujahedeen who would later become more or less Al-Qeada, anyone happen to remember ?

Chickens coming home to roost, is what it is.

And the seeds of this Economic crisis were planted by Reagan with "deregulation", watered by Clinton with "nafta", fertilized by Shrub with "deficit spending" and now the bitter harvest is being reaped by Obama, who will without a doubt plant the seeds of new nightmares to deliver unto future generations unless we put a stop to it here and now.

Fuck partisanship, these guys are ALL assholes, and yes that includes Obama hisself, and most certainly does his pack of Clintonesque Globalist hangers-on every bit as much as it did Shrubs Neo-Con Globalist hangers-on, and very specifically includes that shitheel Rahmbo cause he's sickeningly enough, BOTH!

I want you to take a moment and think real hard about the fact that we had the greatest hand in deposing Mossedeigh and replacing him with the Shah, which lead directly TO the rise and revolution of fanatic islamics as a defense against our illegal and aggressive methods in the first fucking place, and ponder long and well that right now, HERE, TODAY, we are reaping the bitter fruit seeded by Operation AJAX.

What happened on 09-11-01 was the INEVITABLE result of such doings, and frankly, it could have been far, far worse, and if we keep going right down the road of massively failed policies hoping that this time they might work, it WILL be worse, next time, and there WILL be a next time - we have no *right* to fuck over other peoples countries for our benefit, and when we do it to them, we're practically asking for retaliation.

We keep playin this stupid fucking game, like the old lady who swallowed the spider, it's gonna kill us all in the end.

Do you really want to plant a new dark harvest, so that future generations despise us as much as I passionately revile the dickheads who foisted the end results of all the bullshit I called out above on US ?

Cause that's what most of you seem to be bent on doing - and ya damn well ought to think it through this time.

Oh, and this bit just for you Craptor - speaking of terrorism, how would you respond to a terrorist nation that's deposed and murdered your most beloved leader, propped up murderous tyrants, financed, trained and equipped domestic terrorists and coup attempts, aided and encouraged nations beligerent against you, and on many occasions bombed your country themselves.

Would YOU have restrained yourself to merely knocking down two office buildings ?

I highly doubt it.

Think about the terrorism WE committed against THEM - and then ponder that if YOUR reaction is that we should have nuked their capitol, which it of course is...

Look real hard at Washington DC, and thank your lucky fucking stars that those so-called "fanatics" are far more tolerant and merciful than you will ever be.

And what's that say about YOU, ya bloodthirsty, hateful little git ?

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 8:39 PM

Hey FremQaeda,

Thanks for the nice little terrorist fairy tale. You really are in desperate need of a doctor, dontcha know. Call Pirate News, I'm sure he's got plenty of shrinks to recommend. Maybe you two could get on a family discount plan or somethin'.

WULFENSTAR

Friday, March 6, 2009 8:48 PM

Jong,

Frem is right in a lot of ways. We *did* bring this on ourselves.

Was it right what they did? No, of course not.

But did our "leaders" create this situation, with Al-Qeada and the rest? Yes.

We never should have messed with the politics/policies/people of other lands.

"Friend to all, ally to none." Remember?

SIGNYM

Friday, March 6, 2009 8:49 PM

Jong, I'm sorry, but Frem is right.

I'm not sure if you're old enouhg to remember how the mujahideen were framed as "brave freedom fighters" by Zbigniew Brzezinski (Say THAT fast three times! Someone will certainly offer you a tissue!) under Carter, and how we managed to ship Stinger missiles to them to help them "fight tyranny" under the Soviets but I do.

As far as Saddam Hussein.. again, I'm old enough to remember him as being framed as the "strongman" secular leader of Iraq, and our bulwark against the Ayatollah's revolution in Iran. (You may recall the negative press Iran got for sending in 12-year old boys en masse with the Koran in their hands to clear minefields in the Iran-Iraq war???)

Yep, it all happened.

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JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 8:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Jong, I'm sorry, but Frem is right.

I'm not sure if you're old enouhg to remember how the mujahideen were framed as "brave freedom fighters" by Zbigniew Brzezinski (Say THAT fast three times! Someone will certainly offer you a tissue!) under Carter, and how we managed to ship Stinger missiles to them to help them "fight tyranny" under the Soviets but I do.

As far as Saddam Hussein.. again, I'm old enough to remember him as being framed as the "strongman" secular leader of Iraq, and our bulwark against the Ayatollah's revolution in Iran. (You may recall the negative press Iran got for sending in 12-year old boys en masse with the Koran in their hands to clear minefields in the Iran-Iraq war???)

Yep, it all happened.

Hey Sigy, Why you writing to me?....I'm part of the stupid crowd as you say, remember?

SIGNYM

Friday, March 6, 2009 9:07 PM

Well, this is an example of the things I have to say. And you may recall, I said ... "IF you're too stupid to understand it".

Don't prove me right.

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FREMDFIRMA

Friday, March 6, 2009 9:15 PM

Lemme simplify it for you then, Jong.

If you kick a dog, and it bites you...

Then maybe, just maybe, it might be a good idea to STOP KICKING THE DOG.

Simple enough, even for you, yes ?

-F

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 9:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Lemme simplify it for you then, Jong.

If you kick a dog, and it bites you...

Then maybe, just maybe, it might be a good idea to STOP KICKING THE DOG.

Simple enough, even for you, yes ?

-F

Fremmy, I understand what you said. I just think you need to be in a rubber room in a straight jacket, right next door to your kindred intellect Reverend Wright.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 9:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, this is an example of the things I have to say. And you may recall, I said ... "IF you're too stupid to understand it".

Don't prove me right.

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Your so pathetic you can't even keep up with your own insults. Look up top pal, your first post(6:47)on this thread called me stupid and a tool :
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Originally posted by SignyM:
"Jong, I hate to say this but... you're STUPID......God, you're such a tool."

I have nothing else to say to you. Go pester someone else.

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 9:45 PM

Quote:

"What bo]thers me in the coverage of this overall is that everyone is focused on the big number1: the Post says "Obama's spending plans would push the 2009 budget deficit to a massive $1.75 trillion." There are two ways to report this, of course, and the second way, still honest and a bit more explanatory, is, "Obama's 2009 budget will add $550 billion to the already staggering $1.2 trillion deficit." Which makes it seem a little disingenuous when Sen. Mitch McConnell calls the budget full of "unprecedented spending increases." There's precedent in the New Deal, which I understand conservatives are uncomfortable with; there's also substantial precedent in the last 8 years."

Oh, Rue - you still don't get it, do you?

When the dipshits on the left want to attack the bedget, it's "Obama's spending". When they want to portray it as a monkey in a cartoon, it has NOTHING to do with Obama, 'cuase it's not his plan.

How much simpler could it be?

[/sarcasm]

Mike

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 9:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, this is an example of the things I have to say. And you may recall, I said ... "IF you're too stupid to understand it".

Don't prove me right.

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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Your so pathetic you can't even keep up with your own insults. Look up top pal, your first post(6:47)on this thread called me stupid and a tool :
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Originally posted by SignyM:
"Jong, I hate to say this but... you're STUPID......God, you're such a tool."

I have nothing else to say to you. Go pester someone else.

But your girlfriend AuLapdog says it's not an insult if it's true. And it IS true - you ARE stupid, and you ARE a tool.

So what's the problem?

Mike

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, March 6, 2009 9:54 PM

Quote:
I just think you need to be in a rubber room in a straight jacket

Evey: "Are you like, a crazy person or something ?"
V: "I am quite sure they will say so."

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 10:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hey FremQaeda,

Thanks for the nice little terrorist fairy tale. You really are in desperate need of a doctor, dontcha know.

Jong, most all (if not all) of what Frem posted was 100% accurate, and easily verifiable. And like Signy, I am also old enough to remember well back to Carter. Ya gotta be able to back up sayin' that it's a fairy tale somehow, 'cause I can give you like 100 sites that will tell you different, including Congressional hearings and the like. Nothing Frem posted is secret or classified.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

SIGNYM

Friday, March 6, 2009 10:08 PM

Mmm... okay Jong. Sometimes, you ARE a tool.

I gave you the benefit, but you insist on continuing in that direction!

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JONGSSTRAW

Saturday, March 7, 2009 11:05 AM

Kwikie, Sigy,
Your sad, pathetic comments are just so indicative of your juvenile and inferior mentality, I can only shake my head in disappointment and disbelief. Ironically, I really do pity you both. You've demonstrated to every half-sane or better poster here how utterly jaded and disgusting you both are by repeatedly calling people stupid as some sort of response in what's supposed to be a forum here. You show the lowest form of desperate stupidity from my vantage point. Did you two get past 3rd grade? You call me a tool, yet you yourselves cannot respond in any intelligent manner to anything I and others say. I suppose I'm fortunate indeed that you haven't yet sunk the to the profanities you usually hurl at your most frequented targets. Calling you lame asses or immature punks or smug pseudo-intellectual wannabees would be insulting to those groups, because even they soar far above your disdainful displays of stunningly vile contempt for people on this board.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, March 9, 2009 7:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Only Obama is spending more in 2 1/2 months than Bush spent in 8 yrs, fighting 2 wars and a series of hurricanes.

Well, if that's the kind of metric you want to use...

Bush got more Americans killed in one day than Clinton did in 8 years!

Hey, YOU wanted to play it that way...

Bush got no one killed on 9/11 , you back birth. We were ATTACKED. Is your god damn pea sized brain so wrapped around political spin that you don't see what actually happened? Dem, GOP, black, white, man , woman, gay, straight.... you fucking idiot, ALL of us were attacked. And it wasn't because of BUSH, this attack was several yrs in the making.

I'm not PLAYING it any sort of way. I'm just giving you the facts. Instead of dealing w/ them, you come up w/ some wild ass, unrelated piece of go se you think is analogous to what I said. Not only are you wrong, but you're also a coward for not dealing w/ the issue at hand. You have to go back to blaming Bush for 9/11, as a straw man argument is the BEST damn thing you have.

Fucking coward.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...

You're real big on calling people "fucking coward", but I ask again, for the record, how many tours you did in Iraq or Afghanistan. You're so fucking gung-ho on war, WHY DIDN'T YOU EVER JOIN AND SERVE? Because you, you piece of dogshit, are a TRUE fucking coward. You have all the rhetoric, but have never once stood up for what you claim to believe in. And you never, ever will.

Well, you have covered your face in shit stain yet again.
I have served. I have served in Beruit and in Grenada. My cousins have served in the first Iraqi conflict. As far as I am concerned, AuRap has spoken for me in this thread so far. I thank him for taking the time to do so, when I was not available to rebut your nonsense.
YOU are the true coward, you pussy. Heap big man on internet, big whoop.

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, March 9, 2009 9:56 AM

Fremmy has a point.....perhaps a little history is in order.
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1979: Shah of Iran flees into exile

The Shah of Iran has fled the country following months of increasingly violent protests against his regime.
Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi and his wife, Empress Farah, left Tehran and flew to Aswan in Egypt.

The couple's three youngest children were flown to the United States yesterday.

Official reports say the Shah has left for a "vacation" and medical treatment. In fact, he was asked to leave by the man he appointed prime minister earlier this month.

Over the past few months, there have been an increasing number of violent clashes between security forces and anti-Shah demonstrators.

Opposition to the Shah has become united behind the Muslim traditionalist movement led by Iran's main spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini, from exile in France.

Celebrations

There have been calls for the Ayatollah's return - and news of the Shah's departure was greeted with mass celebrations across Iran.

British and United States' ex-patriates living in Iran - regarded as symbols of westernization - have been the frequent target of attacks. Thousands have left the country.

Martial law was declared in many cities on 8 September. But later that month, industrial action by thousands of Iranian workers culminated in a mass strike by employees in the oil industry.

The strike sparked riots and rallies across the country in support of the Ayatollah.

Western governments, like the US, UK and West Germany, have continued to express support for the Shah.

The Shah appointed a new military government in early November. But it failed to stem the rising tide of support for the Ayatollah.

Earlier this month he appointed a new prime minister, Dr Shapur Bahktiar. When, on 13 January, the Ayatollah declared a revolutionary Islamic council to replace what he called the "illegal government" of Iran, Dr Bahktiar persuaded the Shah it was time to leave.

As reported by BBC News - Jan 16, 1979
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The Shah of Iran ruled with an iron fist for 37 years with the support of the US government. They were our allies until "the dog got tired of being kicked"...................

In the early 1950s, there was a political crisis centered in Iran that commanded the focused attention of British and American intelligence agencies. In 1951 Dr. Mossadegh came to office, committed to re-establishing democracy and constitutional monarchy, and to nationalizing the Iranian petroleum industry, which was controlled by the British. From the start he erroneously believed that the Americans, who had no interest in the Anglo-Iranian Oil company, would support his nationalization plan. He was buoyed by the American Ambassador, Henry Grady. However, during these events, the Americans supported the British, and, fearing that the Communists with the help of the Soviets were poised to overthrow the government, they decided to remove Mossadegh. Shortly before the 1952 presidential election in the US, the British government invited Kermit Roosevelt of the CIA to London and proposed they cooperate under the code name “Operation Ajax” to bring down Mossadegh from office.

In 1951, under the leadership of the nationalist movement of Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh, the Iranian parliament unanimously voted to nationalize the oil industry. This shut out the immensely profitable Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), which was a pillar of Britain's economy and political clout in the region. A month after that vote, Mossadegh was named Prime Minister of Iran.

Under the direction of Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., a senior Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer and grandson of former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt, the American CIA and British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS) funded and led a covert operation to depose Mossadegh with the help of military forces loyal to the Shah. This plan was known as Operation Ajax.[4] The plot hinged on orders signed by the Shah

KWICKO

Monday, March 9, 2009 11:56 AM

Quote:
You've demonstrated to every half-sane or better poster here how utterly jaded and disgusting you both are by repeatedly calling people stupid as some sort of response in what's supposed to be a forum here. You show the lowest form of desperate stupidity from my vantage point.

Irony much?

KWICKO

Monday, March 9, 2009 12:01 PM

Quote:
Heap big man on internet, big whoop.

Right back atchya, fucko. Wassa matta? Rappy the Lapdog can't speak for himself? Or is it that YOU can't speak for yourself? I asked AuLapdog why he isn't wiling to put up or shut up - he's real big on sending our troops in to die at every opportunity. I want to know why he refuses to join them. Seems if I were that gung-ho to go to war, I'd have joined up by now.

RIVER6213

Monday, March 9, 2009 1:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Heap big man on internet, big whoop.

Right back atchya, fucko. Wassa matta? Rappy the Lapdog can't speak for himself? Or is it that YOU can't speak for yourself? I asked AuLapdog why he isn't wiling to put up or shut up - he's real big on sending our troops in to die at every opportunity. I want to know why he refuses to join them. Seems if I were that gung-ho to go to war, I'd have joined up by now.

Well said.

-River

SIGNYM

Monday, March 9, 2009 4:36 PM

Jongsstraw- to get to your original post:

Our meltdown has been decades in the making. For the past eight years bankers, mortgage companies, stock traders, CEOs and all the other big-wigs have had tax breaks and no oversight. And what have they done with it???

They robbed the till and drove the economy off a cliff. (Aided and abetted by GWB, who robbed the treasury and drove the Federal govt off a cliff.)

NOW you want this all reversed in 45 days?

Yanno, the ONLY way to fix the problem RIGHT AWAY is nationalization: take banking and mortgages, health insurance and GM OUT of the hands of people screwed it up and who bled it dry. That's the only answer.

But that wouldn't satisfy peeps like you, who STILL think we should "let business be business"... despite the fact that we have a shining example of those results right in front of us. And so, in deference to the brain-dead Republicans, Obama is stuck throwing good money after bad.

If it were me, I'd just take over... everything. Like Bill Maher said: take a couple of the more egregious robber-barons and hang them from the big-board with their balls stuffed in their mouths.

BTW- I usually don't Hurl obscenities and neither does Kwicko. THAT usually comes from the other side. Check it out for yourself.

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KWICKO

Monday, March 9, 2009 4:45 PM

Quote:

BTW- I usually don't Hurl obscenities and neither does Kwicko. THAT usually comes from the other side. Check it out for yourself

Well, I try not to START hurling obscenities, but I have no problem responding in kind when they're hurled at me. I tend to talk to people in pretty much the exact fashion they speak to me.

Mike

SIGNYM

Monday, March 9, 2009 4:52 PM

True.

But I'm gonna try and keep this conversation on Jongsstraw's point. Sorry I took it of-topic.

Jongs? Got any rebuttal?
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WULFENSTAR

Monday, March 9, 2009 5:03 PM

Sig, why do you constantly go after AU and Jong? Seriously. You won't change them any more than they will change you.

Just agree to disagree, ok?

SIGNYM

Monday, March 9, 2009 5:16 PM

I have no illusions that I'm going to change Rapo. He's in the grip of a serious Limbaugh delusion. (Please see my analysis of his pathology in "Why you can't take Crapo seriously".)

Jongsstraw is NOT delusional. With serious emotional bent, prolly due to upbringing, but not deluded- at least not so far as I've noticed.

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FREMDFIRMA

Monday, March 9, 2009 8:06 PM

For the same reason I occasionally put a boot to your rear, Wulf.

Jong seems to have a working brain, bent that it is, whilst Rappy and his blatantly obvious sock puppet here are just mindless parrots repeating the words of an entertainer masquerading as a political commentator.

-F

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:36 AM

When did this board decide to stop discussing world events in favour of discussing Members?

RUE

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:42 AM

It's better to discuss the members than pretend that unca' daddy isn't boinking lil' Sue, or that nana isn't shit-faced every day all day, or any number of pathologies.

The only person who continually tries to keep the threads on-topic is SignyM, who's been called a Nazi for asking questions, and who is usually completely ignored by the people on your side. Jong hasn't gotten back with an answer, I see.

As for you, BDN - I see you've contributed nothing to the topic, again, as always. That makes your post really funny, in a 'laugh at the idiot' kind of way.

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Silence is consent.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:45 AM

Discussing our members ?

What?! and nobody brought a tape measure ?

Pffth, no wonder nothin gets solved around here.

-F

DARKJESTER

Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Since Obama's inauguration, Americans have lost an additional 30% of our money. Our money has gone down in close step to Obama's announcements of doom and spending madness. His response is "we don't look at market fluctuations". No sir, the reality is Wall Street and foreign investors think your plan and vision is dangerous and disasterous. And to be so obtuse and insensitive to the financial hardships that YOUR 45 days of bashing the economy and blaming everyone else has done is quite frankly sickening and pathetic.

And besides, Mr. Obama, you didn't write the plan, you didn't even read the 1000 pages of it, did you? You're merely a figurehead, the messiah, the chosen one, and you travel around the country, give endlessly boring and frightening press conferences while your mesmorized lemmings faint and drool at your very presence, but you don't really get into doing any of the work, do you? That is ALL left to Pelosi and her band of leftist loons who have put forth a budget that rewards Democrat donors and supporters, and grants entitlements the the least worthy, all in a coordinated effort to assure Democratic political dominance for decades.

Now, your secret pit bull, but outwardly effeminent Chief Of Staff Rahm the Ripper Emmanuel is desperatley trying to distract Americans from the worsening economic crisis that you and your phony Presidency are creating. You're taking us from a recession right into global depression, which was your plan all along, right? You and your ilk want Americans to be dependent on the Govt. tit; you want Americans to stop thinking and mindlessly fall in line with you and Polly Pelosi. You're going after Rush Limbaugh as a distraction. Rahm Emmanuel and former Clinton hackistas Begalia & Carville are trying to score political points. FOR GOD'S SAKE WHY??? You won the fucking election with your money and lies, so you don't need to keep campaigning against Republicans, especially in the most petty and pathetic manner possible now, do you?

Americans are waking up to the realities of what Pelosi & Obama are doing. I expect tax revolts and a massive souring of the Obama mystique. You, President Obama, have LIED to America. You campaigned and promised:
Fiscal Transparency : Sure pal, Congress voted on it before they even could read it.
No Earmarks : The current $ 410 Billion omnibus spending with 8000+ earmarks should be vetoed, but won't be.
Line By Line Accounting...again, a total lie.
Change in Washington....sure Barack....sick your foaming at the mouth maniacs Carville & Begalia to attack Republicans, that's a nice change.
Fiscal Responsiblity...sure Mr President, while Americans take it in the nuts, you party and wine and dine every week, propose spending hundreds of millions of dollars on staff helicopters, office remodeling, and Pelosi Perks.

Hey Barack, it's time to start to be the President for ALL Americans, not just the ones that think you walk on water. If you don't wise up soon, your 1-term Presidency will go down in the books as a disaster for America, and you will be nothing but a curious footnote of historical importance.

Sorry Jong, you come across like a 5th grader who is crowing about how you made some one say "Under where?"

The "facts" you present are phrased so inflammatorily that no-one in their right mind will take you seriously, even those who may agree.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, January 8, 2024 1:39 AM

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