The Hysterically Impotent AuRaptor!
POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
UPDATED: Monday, January 8, 2024 01:39
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In other words, you're mad because you feel that Obama is doing the same things you were perfectly okay with Bush doing?
All you got to offer is your endlessly boring and irrelevent Bush Derangement Syndrome excuses? Pretty pathetic pal. Address what I wrote about your beloved Obama, not a rehash of your relentless Bush/Cheney hatred. Face it, Obama's taken the Bush numbers and just made them ten times worse. Every time he or idiot Geithner speaks, my retirement is pushed back another year. Matter of fact, what retirement? Thank you President Pelosi, I mean Obama.
Nah, I'm just savoring the delicious irony of all the people who spent the last 8 years going, "...But CLINTON! But CLINTON!" now whining about the "Bush derangement syndrome". Every time any of us tried to criticize Bush, we got an earful of "But CLINTON...!" So now you get to see what that's like, which amuses me to no end...
Mike
Yeah, that is amusing. also, the complete dodge over how happy they were with the same tactics from Bush...
Entertaining, it is.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Okaaayyy.
Now that the obligatory snark is out of the way, cause we perhaps discuss unfucking the situation, then ?
Seriously, Jongstraw has indicated what appears to me to be a sincere desire to do so, and yet when he reaches across the aisle, albeit in a snarky not-quite-admitting fault manner, y'all slap his hand away ?
Come on, let's leave the petty shit off for a while, ok ?
I ain't too damn impressed with the new POTUS myself, and from what I have seen so far prolly ain't gonna be - we can do better than this, and we DAMNED well better get our shit together in time to ambush Congress with some real challenges to their comfy, cushy chairs or nothin is gonna get no better.
That, and prettymuch EVERYONE wants rid of Pelosi, yes ?
We can DO this, and this is not a time to let petty snark drive off potential allies, folk.
-F
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Jong, I hate to say this but... you're STUPID. Do you REALLY think that it's NOT the rapacious overextended CEOs that got us into this mess in the first place, aided and abetted by Bush??? WHY do you think that this kind of shit happens every time the disparity in income.... AIDED AND ABEETED BY BUSH.... reaches "historic" proportions?
I've been predicitng the great depression for a couple of years now. Had "Let's party like it's 1929" as my tag-line for a loooong time. Everybody thought "It couldn't happen". Man, we were laying on the train tracks, and the train was coming. It's NOT something that anyone can instantaneously reverse. Bush sowed the wind. Now we're reaping the whirlwind.
God, you're such a tool.
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BTW- Speaking of historically important... I've also said that Bush will be remembered as the President who oversaw the beginning of the end of the American empire.
Y'all said... "It won't happen; it CAN'T happen".
Heh.
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Okay, here's the thing. Things went utterly and completely to hell under Bush, abetted by Clinton's policies, and those of Reagan before him. Things were well and truly on their course to go tits-up some time ago, and there were some of us warning of it. Specifically, I warned that Iraq would cost us TRILLIONS, and could very well put us deeper into debt than we could realistically dig out of. And yet, when we complained that Bush was setting us on a disastrous course, we were shouted down. When things DID go wrong, it was brushed aside, and every evaluation of Bush came with a shit-ton of caveats and qualifiers. "Yeah, but he had 9/11... yeah, but he had Katrina... Yeah, but he had Iraq..." - as if Presidents in ALL ages haven't had their share of crap to deal with! And a huge portion of Bush's "problems" that he had to deal with were of his own making.
And at the exact same time Bush was being excused for his every peccadillo, Clinton was being vilified, and we were being told by the right that FDR, far from getting us out of the Great Depression, actually made it worse with his policies, and that Hoover had us on the road to recovery in 1929... Not one of those Bush apologists has EVER stepped forward and said of FDR, "Yeah, but had the Depression... Yeah, but he had Pearl Harbor... Yeah, but he had World War II... Yeah, but he had 23% unemployment to deal with..."
Did FDR take extraordinary actions? He sure did. Did they work? Well, the post-war period saw a prosperity unrivaled by any nation before it, so apparently it DID have SOME positive effect.
So Bush is our generation's Hoover. Thank your lucky stars that McCain didn't get elected - "The fundamentals of our economy are strong," he says, as the economy collapses around his head. Is Obama going to have to take some extraordinary measures? Almost certainly - the clusterfuck that Bush handed him pretty much sealed that deal.
For future reference, if you don't want "the other guy" to bend you over and break one off in you, then don't let "your guy" leave things in such a mess that he has to. And that goes for the economy, the military, homeland security, torture, wiretaps, eavesdropping, espionage, and the whole goddam ball of wax. Are you going to cry and whine when it's revealed that Obama is continuing to torture? I sure as hell will, because to me, it's wrong NO MATTER WHO'S DOING IT! That's the point many of you on the right seem to miss: wrong is wrong, no matter if it's your guy or "my guy" that's doing it. I want ALL OF THEM held to the high standard, because a nation can be best judged by how it treats the very worst of its people, not just by how it treats the best.
Sooooo... If you can get behind this idea, then let's move forward. If not, then you get exactly the government that you deserve.
Mike
I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.
- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen
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BTW- Speaking of historically important... I've also said that Bush will be remembered as the President who oversaw the beginning of the end of the American empire.
Y'all said... "It won't happen; it CAN'T happen".
Heh.
And one of your favorite Presidents told us that the business cycle no longer applies, wasn't true then and isn't true now. You all have gone from preddicting endless prosperity to global armageddon and the only thing that has changed is the occupant of the White House. A few months from now when the economy turns you'll be attributing it to your savior and ignoring the business cycle again.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
BTW- Speaking of historically important... I've also said that Bush will be remembered as the President who oversaw the beginning of the end of the American empire.
Y'all said... "It won't happen; it CAN'T happen".
Heh.
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
Is the American Empire another one of those "too big to fail" kind of things?
There's a paradigm shift going on in this country right now. "Too big to fail" is starting to be understood as "too big to exist".
Mike
I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.
- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen
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A few months from now when the economy turns you'll be attributing it to your savior and ignoring the business cycle again.
Kirk, I hope you're right; I really do. Of course, IF the economy turns in a few months, you'll be the first (okay, second - behind LapdogRaptor) to say that Obama's policies had NOTHING to do with it, or worse, actually DELAYED the turnaround.
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Quote:"You all"???
You all have gone from preddicting endless prosperity to global armageddon and the only thing that has changed is the occupant of the White House.
WHO all?
Not me!
Not anyone I know!
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A few months from now when the economy turns you'll be attributing it to your savior and ignoring the business cycle again.
Kirk, I hope you're right; I really do. Of course, IF the economy turns in a few months, you'll be the first (okay, second - behind LapdogRaptor) to say that Obama's policies had NOTHING to do with it, or worse, actually DELAYED the turnaround.
I do believe the economy will begin to recover towards the end of this year, but it will be in spite of Obama not because of him. The only thing any President can do to have a effect on the economy over such a short period of time is to inspire confidence in the system and talk up the economy. Until recently Obama has done just the opposite. Hopefully now that he has his stimulus package he'll start talking positively about the economy and inspire a few companies to start hiring again. If the economy is booming again 9 months from now it won't be due to Obama's economic policies, but it could be due to his ability to inspire confidence in the system the way Reagan did. If Obama changes his tune and stokes the business cycle instead of pretending his stimulus is our only hope, I'll give him some credit, but the economic cycle will turn things eventually despite Obama. My main concern is that his policies will limit the growth potential of this country for many years to come.
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