John Edwards announces his run for Office
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I'm so excited about this, I woke up yesterday morning to the good news, I've been hoping that John Edwards would run I think he's the Democrates best chance of getting the Presidency.
and more importantly Reps know this and they are scared of him. Listen to any republican talk shows they will play up Hilary Clinton, and Barack Obama, and Rudy Giuliani , because they know none of them have got a snowballs chance in hell of winning. But they won't with John Edwards, and this is a man who actually stands for something, he's one of the few who are actually talking about issues that effect of here at home, like poverty, and about our tarnished image around the world and about the war.
http://johnedwards.com/
so what do yall think about John Edwards
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I think he's every bit as much a political whore as most of em, he just hides it better.
My "Dream Ticket" would be Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich on an independant party flag (although I would settle for Libertarian) for '08... but given the current state of affairs i'd even take Palpatine/Vader 2008... at least some COMPETENT evil dictators for once.
I think Hillary shot herself in the foot with most sensible folk when immediately after she decided to seriously consider running for the oval office, instead of campaigning HERE, she goes running off to a certain foreign-power-who-shall-not-be-named to get THEIR approval for it.
That action in and of itself completely sank her chances with folks who are fed up with our so-called reps being beholden to a foreign power instead of their constituents, and on top of her associations with big pharma, which is becoming more despised every day, she doesn't stand a chance.
If I was gonna run a woman for prez, it would be Jennifer M Granholm, but she doesn't qualify for the same reason Ahhhhnold doesn't - and if THAT ever changes, she'd hand him his ass in any debate venue you could imagine.
I won't get into details over Obama, but basically the righty-whitey lynchmob mentality still runs washington, and he's just not gonna get past that without changing the entire system from the ground up, something that can only come from inside it, which he ain't, and never will be.
And I wouldn't want Rudy near an unattended candy machine, much less a political office.
Eddie there might talk a good game, but there's been talk, there will always BE talk, I will not stand behind a candidate unless and until they're willing to put some boot to some ass and play hard enough to get the job done... and the only two who HAVE done it, and in Dennis's case, paid a damned heavy price for it, are mentioned above.
Until Eddie joins that august company, he won't be gettin my vote.
-Frem
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This is the same worthless piece of go se that shamelessly claimed a vote for him and John Flippy Kerry would allow those w/ spinal injuries like Christopher Reeve to walk again, for their position on Embryonic Stem Cell research.
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"If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk, get up out of that wheelchair and walk again." - John Edwards
I wouldn't buy a used car from this slime ball.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I'm not even pro-Edwards, but I feel inclined to respond for some reason.
AU, why not just say (because we all know you're thinking it) "there's not a single Dem that I would vote for because I'm so blatantly partisan that it's scary." Nowhere in that quote does it suggest that Edwards is claiming that if elected, magical wish-granting leprechauns are going to cure the paralyzed. So then, how is it shameless? Let's break it down like a rational, nonpartisan reader:
In fact, the exact quote starts with...
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If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do
"work that we can do" = our country is capable of great breakthroughs in science
"work that we will do" = we'll stop being scared of Jebus and throw some cash at researchers and help them make discoveries
"people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk" = I'm optimistic if that happens we can find cures for these folks who deserve it (my God, he was Superman, for Christ sakes!)
How can that be a sleazy message? Looks hopeful, to me. You're guilty of the same thing you accuse everyone else of - bashing based on perty lines. I bet I could find a dozen threads where you accuse others of bashing Bush when he says something positive and people call it sleazy. Here you do the same thing. This is a man saying that if we're elected, we're going to try and work toward cures - not too different than the stem-cell debate that changed the fate of Missouri's election this year.
But hey, God forbid someone tries to do something positive. Apparently, republicans believe the people with the diseases should just cure themselves.
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This son of a mill worker is all bull. I am a native of NC. First makes his money suing the Tobbacco industry. Now dead. Suing the medical industry. BC and BS great rates. Before I left NC in 2002 from layoff on the NC Buisness Review Journal on PBS he said he wanted free trade with Commie China yes mill jobs will go but will get 400 hi tech jobs which never appeared. He is for Nafta and Gatt. Jesse Helms and Jesse Jackson against both. Ok he is married to old money in Pittsburgh. Now I was working in Pitt at the time of the election run. He had the unions put out with what he was saying George Bush is stealing your job. GW never took my job. That's a lie, he said he wanted to bring good union jobs back into Ohio not what he said in NC.
His sound bites sound great when your 19 on a college campus. I do not attack any politician personally not even Bill. I will say to be president of THE USA you need to at least served in the military one requirement I believe. But since G H W Bush 41 we have not had any good canidates on either side.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I'm so excited about this, I woke up yesterday morning to the good news, I've been hoping that John Edwards would run I think he's the Democrates best chance of getting the Presidency.
I agree. No chance at all.
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7% , this is really much more simple than you're trying to make it out to be. The thread was about Edwards, so my reply was directed at him.
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we'll stop being scared of Jebus and throw some cash at researchers and help them make discoveries
As an atheist, I'm not concerned w/ throwing $$ at Jebus, but using science and the power of the Fed Gov't in an honest, pragmatic and sensible way to benefit humanity. Embryonic Stem Cells are next to worthless. Why folks don't get that through their thick skulls infurriates me. Those who buy into the possibilities are nothing but lemmings being lead by a piper. Adult Stem Cells offer far more HONEST and legit cures in OUR life time. It is supremely shameless to suggest that ESC's will help anyone any time soon.
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"people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk" = I'm optimistic if that happens we can find cures for these folks who deserve it (my God, he was Superman, for Christ sakes!)
Chris Reeves is dead. John Edwards was saying that to a man who died soon after those remarks were made. How heartless is that ? And so what if he PLAYED Superman? He's more deserving than one of my family members ? Or the neighbor down your street ? It seems all the world that you're kidding, but the way you're selling it , it just doesn't seem like you were.
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How can that be a sleazy message? Looks hopeful, to me. You're guilty of the same thing you accuse everyone else of - bashing based on perty lines. I bet I could find a dozen threads where you accuse others of bashing Bush when he says something positive and people call it sleazy. Here you do the same thing. This is a man saying that if we're elected, we're going to try and work toward cures - not too different than the stem-cell debate that changed the fate of Missouri's election this year.
But hey, God forbid someone tries to do something positive. Apparently, republicans believe the people with the diseases should just cure themselves
It's the snake oil salesmen, the bogus 'faith healer' approach by Edwards that pisses me off most. Even you can see it, but you're too much of a myrmidon to admit that I'm right here. Were ANY politician to say the same, I'd call him/ her out on it as well. This has to with shameless pandering, and manipulating those in dire need, just to score a few political points. Nothing more. Edwards cares no more about curing those in wheelchairs than he does going back to work in 'diddy's mill' . It's a con game, and one where Edwards is toying w/ the hopes and dreams of those he claims he's trying to help. Sorry you can't see it for what it really is.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:You gotta love the logic. No research is being done in ESC because there's no money for research so no breakthroughs have been made. No Breakthroughs have been made which proves we are right not to fund ESC. Wow. Just wow.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It is supremely shameless to suggest that ESC's will help anyone any time soon.
Quote:You're pissed off because Christopher Reeves died AFTER the comments? I can see that. This Edwards fella was obviously a heartless bastard for not checking what was about to happen in the future with his Crystal Ball.
Chris Reeves is dead. John Edwards was saying that to a man who died soon after those remarks were made. How heartless is that ?
Quote:Welcome to politics. Every politician does this, I believe the partisan trick is too only recognise it when it's coming from the other side. I've seen far far far worse than this coming from Bush.
It's a con game, and one where Edwards is toying w/ the hopes and dreams of those he claims he's trying to help. Sorry you can't see it for what it really is.
Que "Bush would never stoop to that level, Bush is so great, how dare you, you're nothing but an idiot political hack, etc etc"
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
As an atheist, I'm not concerned w/ throwing $$ at Jebus, but using science and the power of the Fed Gov't in an honest, pragmatic and sensible way to benefit humanity.
No, but the fundies are scared of Jesus, and the current admins used their fear of science to scare up votes in the last election. Whether you are not concerned with Jesus and support research is beside the point - many are, and oppose any form of stem cell research for that reason (and that reason only).
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Embryonic Stem Cells are next to worthless. Why folks don't get that through their thick skulls infurriates me. Those who buy into the possibilities are nothing but lemmings being lead by a piper. Adult Stem Cells offer far more HONEST and legit cures in OUR life time. It is supremely shameless to suggest that ESC's will help anyone any time soon.
First, they are next to worthless at this time, and that isn't in dispute. But a growing consensus of researchers believes the potential for vast discovery is there. And I don't know how old you are, but I'm only in my 30's. I'd like to live another 40 or 50 years, and to say that ESC research won't yield cures in that amount of time is silly. What's the harm in pumping money and scientists into that research? Many awesome discoveries came out of projects relating to a bigger one. Who knows what we can find on the way?
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Chris Reeves is dead. John Edwards was saying that to a man who died soon after those remarks were made.
Yes, Edwards tapped into his magical ESP powers and said that to him, knowing he was soon to die. That may be the most retarded thing I've ever heard you say - right up there with PJenny in the other thread.
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And so what if he PLAYED Superman? He's more deserving than one of my family members ? Or the neighbor down your street ? It seems all the world that you're kidding, but the way you're selling it , it just doesn't seem like you were.
Superman is a cultural icon. Is (was) Reeves more important than any of those people to you? No. But as a cultural icon, wouldn't it be great if the man who was a hero to the world, and after his accident a hero to the disabled, be able to walk again? My God, the hope that would have given the world would have been stunning.
But I want to bring something to your attention. You're over in other threads praising the death of Saddam. To the average Iraqi, is his hanging more important than when their brother got killed by accident by American forces? Or blown up in a car bomb by terrorists who weren't there when we started? It's amazing how you can sit here in one thread and get your righteous indignation on about saying one person isn't more important than another, then in an entirely different thread say that people should understand how certain people are more important than others, and be proud how one person was taken out at the cost of tens of thousands of lives. It's hypocracy.
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It's the snake oil salesmen, the bogus 'faith healer' approach by Edwards that pisses me off most. Even you can see it, but you're too much of a myrmidon to admit that I'm right here.
I said at the beginning of this thread that Edwards wasn't my favorite person, and for the record I didn't think he belonged on the ticket with Kerry in the first place. I don't think he has a chance in 08, either. Why you think I'm a loyal servant of Edwards is beyond me - wait, no it isn't. You want to pigeonhole me as a partisan hack. Sorry, that's you.
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Were ANY politician to say the same, I'd call him/ her out on it as well.
Really? Bush said he was going to transform the mid-east into a democratic place by attacking Iraq. You still follow him happy-slappy down that magical fairy tale, long after people said it was a disaster. I guess you just can't recognize all those snake-oil salesmen, can you AU?
Edwards made a thousand goofs and misquotes and "snake-oil" pitches in the last election cycle. But you, in you
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Ahhhh, the right-wing lunatics are foaming at the mouth and howling. That's how you know it's gotta be a good thing.
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You gotta love the logic. No research is being done in ESC because there's no money for research so no breakthroughs have been made. No Breakthroughs have been made which proves we are right not to fund ESC. Wow. Just wow.
Just wow indeed. You seem to think that because the Gov't isn't putting forth any NEW $$ for research in ESCs, there isn't ANY $$?? What a load of crap. There's absolutely nothing keeping the private sector from sinking it's research $$ into ESC, unless, that is...there's little/ no chance of any return. You also falsly presume that $$ = breakthroughs. Sure, just throw enough $$ at something, and eventually it will yield results. Sorry, that ain't how real life works.
Quote:Edwards knew damn well that nothing would come of ESC research. That's why it's called PANDERING. He was playing up to the emotions of those who adore a well known celeb, which is why he said Reeves would stand up and walk out of THAT chair. More traveling snake oil showmanship on Edward's part.
You're pissed off because Christopher Reeves died AFTER the comments? I can see that. This Edwards fella was obviously a heartless bastard for not checking what was about to happen in the future with his Crystal Ball
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Welcome to politics. Every politician does this, I believe the partisan trick is too only recognise it when it's coming from the other side. I've seen far far far worse than this coming from Bush.
You've never seen anything nearly this bad, or you'd have offered it up as evidence. Fact is, I've never seen anything so blatently low and heartless as what Edwards has done, certainly not at the national level. It's one thing to offer such empty promises , as Ted Kennedy has done w/ raising the minimum wage " higher, and higher, and higher , and HIGHER!!! ". But to purposely dupe those w/ spinal cord injuries, MS, and other maladies a cure will be found, as Edwards has done, just as soon as he gets elected.... it's unconscionable.
Bush never did stoop to anything so low, nor have I seen any other candidate do that. So far, Edwards takes the cake.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Except of course some of us live in the real world. Early research is low return, and rarely privately funded. It's not until it's proven that private companies step in, this is a trend repeated verbatim, surprising you haven't noticed this, since I'm sure you've done your homework...
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just wow indeed. You seem to think that because the Gov't isn't putting forth any NEW $$ for research in ESCs, there isn't ANY $$?? What a load of crap. There's absolutely nothing keeping the private sector from sinking it's research $$ into ESC, unless, that is...there's little/ no chance of any return.
Quote:No, I live in the real world where I realise that if money is not made available for research research isn't done, and if research isn't done breakthroughs can't occur. It is you who seems to be under the moronic assumption that something must have a breakthrough before we research it.
You also falsly presume that $$ = breakthroughs. Sure, just throw enough $$ at something, and eventually it will yield results. Sorry, that ain't how real life works.
Quote:You said he was sleazy because he talked about Christopher Reeve who then died. Further more your twisting of the statement in question has little to do with the direct meaning.
Edwards knew damn well that nothing would come of ESC research. That's why it's called PANDERING. He was playing up to the emotions of those who adore a well known celeb, which is why he said Reeves would stand up and walk out of THAT chair. More traveling snake oil showmanship on Edward's part.
Quote:I bow to your superior knowledge of my Visual/Auditory system.
You've never seen anything nearly this bad, or you'd have offered it up as evidence. Fact is, I've never seen anything so blatently low and heartless as what Edwards has done, certainly not at the national level.
Quote:Except the only person reading into that statement that sentiment is the person who wants to read that sentiment.
But to purposely dupe those w/ spinal cord injuries, MS, and other maladies a cure will be found, as Edwards has done, just as soon as he gets elected.... it's unconscionable.
Quote:Dear I could bring up page upon page of them, but all that would happen is you blathering about how Bush is great and anyone who disagrees is evil and a terrorist. Have WMDs been found in Iraq? But but but but but but but... same shit different day.
Bush never did stoop to anything so low, nor have I seen any other candidate do that. So far, Edwards takes the cake.
Apparently giving hope to those suffering spinal injuries is "unconscionable" but sending thousands to death in a war whose reasons are proven false is a good thing.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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No, I live in the real world where I realise that if money is not made available for research research isn't done, and if research isn't done breakthroughs can't occur. It is you who seems to be under the moronic assumption that something must have a breakthrough before we research it.
Money is not 'made available'?? WTF nonsense is that ? If the private sector, you know, those evil pharmaceutical / biogenetic companies thought there could possibly be any future returns from this field, they'd sink the $$ into themselves. Ever heard of 'venture capital' ?? I guess not so much w/ a heavily socialist state that you live in. That's all I'm saying. And Bush hasn't even outlawed research on existing lines that the Gov't has itself.
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Dear I could bring up page upon page of them, but all that would happen is you blathering about how Bush is great and anyone who disagrees is evil and a terrorist. Have WMDs been found in Iraq? But but but but but but but... same shit different day.
Apparently giving hope to those suffering spinal injuries is "unconscionable" but sending thousands to death in a war whose reasons are proven false is a good thing.
What's with this 'dear' crap? Are you sly ? I knew you were British, but I didn't want to know any more than that. If you could present 'page upon page' of similar promises made by Bush, you would. That you don't means to me that you can't, because there are none. This main issue has nothing at all to do w/ Bush, despite your fixation with him( or with hating him ).Fact is, I make a valid comment about Edwards, you can't stand it ( or defend it ) so instead, you try to make this having something to do w/ Bush.
Giving FALSE hope to those in need IS unconscionable. The reasons for action in Iraq weren't proven false, but I frankly don't give a damn what you think about that issue any way. It's irrelevent to Edwards wanting to play Faith Healer with American tax payer's $$ and hoping to get elected.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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"If the private sector, you know, those evil pharmaceutical / biogenetic companies thought there could possibly be any future returns from this field, they'd sink the $$ into themselves."
Have you never heard of "orphan diseases"? They are real diseases, in need of real cures, which don't affect enough people who are rich enough that they might make enough profit for private industry to pursue. Hence, they are orphaned.
Private industry would rather pursue medicines needing life-long dosing of people in the first world. So sleeping sickness isn't researched, but elevated HDL cholesterol is.
The pharmaceutical industry isn't in the business to cure people, it's to make as much $$$ as quickly as possible.
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Originally posted by rue:
"If the private sector, you know, those evil pharmaceutical / biogenetic companies thought there could possibly be any future returns from this field, they'd sink the $$ into themselves."
Have you never heard of "orphan diseases"? They are real diseases, in need of real cures, which don't affect enough people who are rich enough that they might make enough profit for private industry to pursue. Hence, they are orphaned.
Private industry would rather pursue medicines needing life-long dosing of people in the first world. So sleeping sickness isn't researched, but elevated HDL cholesterol is.
The pharmaceutical industry isn't in the business to cure people, it's to make as much $$$ as quickly as possible.
No one said life was fair or easy.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Do you even read what you write?
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Do you even read what you write?
Yep. Did you? You seem to want to so casually dismiss the advances that private industry gives to mankind, and think that the only thing which can benefit us is the Federal Imperial Gov't. The fact of the matter is, Gov't harms far more than it helps. If Gov't would only get out of the way, and let the power of individual thought and imagination go to work, we'd be living in an even better world than we have today. ( Which isn't all that bad, if you look at history ) Gov't is a necessary evil, and I'm not advocating anarchy, by any means. But please, cast off this love affair for all things bureaucratic.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I was pointing out the LACK of advances that come from leaving 'it' to industry. Orphan diseases are only one of them. Your answer to business's demonstrable failure? Well, life's not fair. So, is that why business is so GOOD for us?
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Quote:As someone coming from such an enlightened nation people who can't afford to buy medical care are left to die on the street I'm sure you can tell me all about it. Shortly after you explain how many breakthroughs made with public money because the private sector deemed them to risky are completely useless.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ever heard of 'venture capital' ?? I guess not so much w/ a heavily socialist state that you live in.
BTW, while you're great economy is slipping my backwards socialist little nations is getting stronger everyday, I bet that eats your black little heart up eh my Capilista little friend.
Quote:Well well, hit a raw nerve did I? I don't think I've heard this level of immaturity since I left primary school. "You're a big gay lord you are! gay boy gay boy." What do you do for an encore, push little girls in the mud and pull their pig tails?
What's with this 'dear' crap? Are you sly ?
Although you are evidently homophobic enough (you know what they say about homophobes, right) to think this is an insult I am not homophobic enough to find it thus, I merely shake my head and cast my mind back to that magical day when a young lady by the name of Corrine said those words that'll stick in my mind for ever “are you up for it, I'm horny”. I really can't recommend intercourse with a member of the opposite sex (for those so inclined) enough, thoroughly enjoy it each and every time, though I get to practice somewhat less than I'd like. You should really try it sometime, losing your virginity may stop you being such an uptight arsehole all of the time, though you may be saving yourself, which is good too, just find a way of releasing that pent up aggression, take long runs, cold showers perhaps do some boxing or something.
Fact is I sometimes say dear to male children when trying to speak to them, it's actually quite acceptable over here. But then we are grown ups who can show affection to a child, or one with a childlike mind, with out instantly assuming that we are gay, or a paedophile and other nonsense rife with those whose minds find it difficult to progress beyond the onset of puberty.
Quote:Ohh goody, a national slur, I'm British so I must be gay. You're an American so you must be a beer swilling cowboy with the ignorance of a hill billy and the intelligence of a rather dim witted stuffed iguana. How very imaginative you are, did the bawys at da saloon a coma up wit dat one pardner?
I knew you were British, but I didn't want to know any more than that.
Quote:And miss the chance to watch you prove you're superior intellect and non-partisan thinking by calling me gay, not for all the Tea in China.
If you could present 'page upon page' of similar promises made by Bush, you would.
Quote:I merely used Bush as an example, besides you wouldn't read any quotes I posted, it may shut down your brain to entertain that Bush isn't the greatest man who ever lived. And to be honest where do I start?
That you don't means to me that you can't, because there are none. This main issue has nothing at all to do w/ Bush, despite your fixation with him( or with hating him ).
Besides if I were to post quotes it would merely lead to a stalemate where you got you knickers all in a twist showing how they're really good and stuff. To be honest by stepping back and allowing you to blather on about my sexuallity the truths case is helped far more than the truth alone ever could. Bravo!
I think using Bush as a mere example (remember if you can I said all politicians did this) was quite apposite, considering your reaction.
Quote:No, I called you on twisting a quote, I don't know John Edwards from Adam, I can only guess at his political affiliation, Democrat right, you hate him vehemently so he must be a Democrat. The fact that merely mentioning Bush as an example proves
Fact is, I make a valid comment about Edwards, you can't stand it ( or defend it ) so instead, you try to make this having something to do w/ Bush.
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Quote:Now we're getting off topic well enough. No where are folks here being left to die on the streets for not being able to afford medical care. Fact is, ANYONE can afford medicalCARE, but not everyone can keep pace w/ the rising cost of full health insurance coverage. There is a difference between the two. And exactly how is our economy 'slippiing ' ? What's your unemployment rate ? And if you're economy is getting stronger, well jolly good! Most EU countries coundn't do much worse, so doing any better is a good start!
As someone coming from such an enlightened nation people who can't afford to buy medical care are left to die on the street I'm sure you can tell me all about it. Shortly after you explain how many breakthroughs made with public money because the private sector deemed them to risky are completely useless.
BTW, while you're great economy is slipping my backwards socialist little nations is getting stronger everyday, I bet that eats your black little heart up eh my Capilista little friend.
Sounds like you enjoyed typing your diatribe over my alleged homophobia. I'm cool w/ the sly types, btw. Folks, as they say, are still folks. Still, the whole British/ gay thing didn't start or end with me, and I just thought you'd get a kick out of it. Seems like ya did.
Back to the point, I simply suggested that it'd be nice if you could back up your claims. If for no other reason, to see what it is you think Bush, or any other politician could claim that would sink to the level of what Edwards uttered. Again, you can't, and I stand validated. No biggie.
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.... besides you wouldn't read any quotes I posted, it may shut down your brain to entertain that Bush isn't the greatest man who ever lived. And to be honest where do I start?
You could start with ONE example. Keeping things limited like that would be ever so helpful to my simple, neolithic American male brain.
And this STILL has nothing to do w/ Bush. As for Edwards, who is a Democrat, I plainly stated that, regardless of his political affiliation, I'd still have equal distain for his comments. So, you strike out on that point. Also, you didn't remotely show where I twisted any quotes, so you're left hung out to dry on THAT point as well!People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Can't argue about the colour of shit with a blind man. Anyone can afford healthcare in the US, you really do live on cloud cuckoo land.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Now we're getting off topic well enough. No where are folks here being left to die on the streets for not being able to afford medical care.
Fact is, ANYONE can afford medicalCARE, but not everyone can keep pace w/ the rising cost of full health insurance coverage.
Quote:You've been proven wrong on this in thread after thread, your inability to admit that, you're inability to stay in the thread after being proved wrong, is none of my concern. You have already eloquently proven time and again that you are woefully detached from reality. Debating anything with you is an act of futility to the same degree as debating with PirateNews, I dub thee PirateRaptor.
And exactly how is our economy 'slippiing ' ?
Quote:As of 2005 4.7%, for those interested the percentage for the US was 5.1%.
What's your unemployment rate ?
Quote:Detached from reality as always. Germany, France and the UK are in the top five of world economies, Italy and Spain appear in the top 10. Unless you mean the ex-soviet block nations that Europe is taking on board, in which case all I can say is we in Europe feel it is important to help those less fortunate than us, and not just use them as cheap labour to make our overpriced shoes.
And if you're economy is getting stronger, well jolly good! Most EU countries coundn't do much worse, so doing any better is a good start!
Quote:Wasn't a diatribe, dear (I know you get a thrill from my calling you that), it was pretty much just some fairly harmless fun poking at your personal attacks, you don't have a sense of humour, I get that, that's why you're a conservative.
Sounds like you enjoyed typing your diatribe over my alleged homophobia.
Quote:Which is, I'm sure very evident by thinking accusing someone of being gay is an insult.
I'm cool w/ the sly types, btw. Folks, as they say, are still folks.
Quote:I just thought it was funny, and:
Still, the whole British/ gay thing didn't start or end with me, and I just thought you'd get a kick out of it. Seems like ya did.
Quote:I never validated the stereotype as you did. I merely pointed out that your racial stereotyping was stupid, silly and probably insulting if I didn't know ya and realise you were just trying to start a flame war because you know you're wrong and you need an exit strategy so you don't have to admit it. I just used a personal example in the hopes you'd actually get it, oops, guess not, oh well.
Keeping things limited like that would be ever so helpful to my simple, neolithic American male brain.
Quote:Well that's kinda hypocritical coming from you.
Back to the point, I simply suggested that it'd be nice if you could back up your claims.
Quote:Actually I've been validated by your need to start personal insults because, that's all you got, no biggie.
If for no other reason, to see what it is you think Bush, or any other politician could claim that would sink to the level of what Edwards uttered. Again, you can't, and I stand validated. No biggie.
But, since I'm as usual the bigger man:
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You could start with ONE example.
Quote:It was quotes like these that brought the US and other into war with Iraq, a war that has ended tens, hundreds of thousands of lives. We still have not found any WMD. We've stopped looking. At best Mr Bush exaggerated the certainty of there being weapons, because if they're not there must be doubt to they're existence. This and quotes like it got people killed, at worse John Edwards quote gave some false hope.
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
I realise that too you false hope is far worse than lost lives, as long as the
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"No where are folks here being left to die on the streets for not being able to afford medical care." Except every day downtown in any major city.
"I plainly stated that, regardless of his political affiliation, I'd still have equal distain for his comments." I presume you have equal disdain for Nancy Reagan's support for Federal funding of embryonic stem cell research? In a completely non-partisan way of course.
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You're an American so you must be a beer swilling cowboy with the ignorance of a hill billy and the intelligence of a rather dim witted stuffed iguana.
Kin i git a big YEEHAW from y'all on that 'un?!
Why don't he cut loose like that when *I* provoke him.. imma bit miffed, really I am.
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I would like to put a few words in, first I need to losen my belt after a case of Ole Milwaukees Best well you understand, these brits are gay and I can prove it. First off their leader is a queen, their music is called queen, and they talk about smoken fags. And in the name of Sam Hill if that ain't Gay well I don't know what is. Also Mr Shakespear when you describe cowboys as Ignant use a capitol I.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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"I plainly stated that, regardless of his political affiliation, I'd still have equal distain for his comments." I presume you have equal disdain for Nancy Reagan's support for Federal funding of embryonic stem cell research? In a completely non-partisan way of course
I disagree w/ the former 1st lady on this issue, but then she never claimed a vote for candidate x would lead to a cure for M.S. , as Edwards dispicably claimed. That is where the distain comes from, and not merely one being for/ against Fed funding of ESC research. I figured you'd be smart enough to know the difference. Alas, I was wrong.
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I thought his psychic show was pretty dumb. Maybe he'll make a better president than a psychic.
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Damn, are all you queer Brits this wordy when you respond ? Is it the queer thing or the Brit thing? Or both ? Anyways, I'll do this quick like.
Healthcare: Monthly coverage for Insurance can cost around $250 a month, and more. There are free clinics and generic meds that folks can take advantage of. Unless you're talking catastrophic med care, anyone can afford medical ATTENTION here. The level of HC available for even the poorest here surpasses the best care found around the world. Please, don't talk about that which you have no clue.
Our unemployment rate was at 4.4 %, and now is around 4.5%. It's no wonder you had to go back to 2005 to get your stats. The 'poor' here still have color tv's, own their own car, and live a higher standard of living than 3/4 of the world.
Quote:Huh ? I never even racially stereo typed anyone. I know I'm not wrong , and I have no idea what you're blabbing on about.
I merely pointed out that your racial stereotyping was stupid, silly and probably insulting if I didn't know ya and realise you were just trying to start a flame war because you know you're wrong and you need an exit strategy so you don't have to admit it.
You still can't back up your claims, so I win that one. Again.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What's your unemployment rate ?
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Originally posted by citizen:
As of 2005 4.7%, for those interested the percentage for the US was 5.1%.
Hahahahahaha..... My unemployment rate is bigger than your unemployment rate. Bush and Edwards can suck it.
As can anybody who actually believes that their economy will surpass America's economy. Don't you realize that we're all merging into one world economy as we bicker?
That's why they started printing our bills all sort of fruity Monopoly money colors, instead of our tried and true Greenbacks.... They're priming us for the one world currency.
Welcome to the New World Order, comrades.
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Rap,
Can we talk? I was giving you some credit for at least standing up for your beliefs. But I know you don't believe in clearly delusional statements like this: "The level of HC available for even the poorest here surpasses the best care found around the world."
So please, stop sawing, come back off the end of the branch, and join us in an adult conversation.
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Quote:The more you stoop to petty personal insults, the more you prove me right, so please, do continue.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Damn, are all you queer Brits this wordy when you respond ? Is it the queer thing or the Brit thing? Or both ? Anyways, I'll do this quick like.
Quote:Which is obviously why the US's life expectancy and Infant mortallity are the worst of any developed nation. Like I said, you have a problem with reality.
Healthcare: Monthly coverage for Insurance can cost around $250 a month, and more. There are free clinics and generic meds that folks can take advantage of. Unless you're talking catastrophic med care, anyone can afford medical ATTENTION here. The level of HC available for even the poorest here surpasses the best care found around the world.
Quote:Yes, you really should, it's painfully obvious you lack even enough knowledge to recognise the depth of your own ignorance.
Please, don't talk about that which you have no clue.
Quote:I used an annual figure, are you a complete moron? Annual figures aren't available for 2006 yet, it only ended three days ago you know. I'd have thought even a dimwitted ape could work that out.
Our unemployment rate was at 4.4 %, and now is around 4.5%. It's no wonder you had to go back to 2005 to get your stats.
Quote:Like I said, completely detached from reality.
The 'poor' here still have color tv's, own their own car, and live a higher standard of living than 3/4 of the world.
Quote:Sorry meant national stereotyping, I'm so used to your racial stereotyping it just slipped out. Although even an orangutan could have worked out what I meant.
Huh ? I never even racially stereo typed anyone. I know I'm not wrong , and I have no idea what you're blabbing on about.
Quote:I did, but you ignored it because you can't argue against it, prefering instead to call me and all British people homosexual, which proves me right, yet again, as I said earlier, your inabillity to recognise or admit to it hardly changes the reality of the situation.
You still can't back up your claims, so I win that one. Again.
It's strange that you'd think Brits are gay, though, since your military is constantly requiring Brits to bale them out (got loads of real recent examples if you like) and the British people have faced hardships like you could not possibly fathom with a smile. I imagine if a big manly man like you had to face the blitz there'd be a big manly puddle at your feet. Tata for now my backwards racist homophobic little friend.
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Quote:The old American money was toy money anyway, hardly a great change.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
That's why they started printing our bills all sort of fruity Monopoly money colors, instead of our tried and true Greenbacks.... They're priming us for the one world currency.
Quote:Haven't you heard from the great PirateNews? I'm one of the generals of the mighty British-Commie-Nazi-Alien-Jew conspiracy, ready to take on the orders of her britannic mind reading majesty to crush all opposition to our sodomistic plan of world domination, I am the very one who attempted to force PirateNews to take his schitzophrenia medication, whose only purpose is to silence the truth and destroy the pink elephant of freedom.
As can anybody who actually believes that their economy will surpass America's economy. Don't you realize that we're all merging into one world economy as we bicker?
Welcome to the New World Order, comrades.
Piratenews's pink elephant shall never be silenced, down with thinking for yourself, believe only in Jew hating, believe only, for PirateNazi, erm News.
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Originally posted by citizen:
It's strange that you'd think Brits are gay
British folk are not gay. They don't even speak the gay language (French) and they never support the gay candidate (John Kerry).
Democrats in this election are faced with tough choices:
The Gay Candidate (Kerry)
The Insane Candidate (Gore)
The Candidate with no balls (Edwards)
The Candidate with corn up his (Vilsack)
The one with the pitchfork and horns (Hillary)
The Guy with the white powdery nose (Obama)
Dennis Kucinich
Take you pick. Surrender monkeys, tax and spenders, and closet power mongers. Me, I'm waiting to see what Rudy does just cause it'll be fun to shout "Rudy! Rudy!" at a rally.
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Originally posted by PirateCat:
I would like to put a few words in, first I need to losen my belt after a case of Ole Milwaukees Best well you understand, these brits are gay and I can prove it. First off their leader is a queen, their music is called queen, and they talk about smoken fags. And in the name of Sam Hill if that ain't Gay well I don't know what is. Also Mr Shakespear when you describe cowboys as Ignant use a capitol I.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
So I see this thread has devolved into "my country is better than yours" and "my party is better than yours." Well done!
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Quote:Brokeback mountain was about cowboys.
Originally posted by PirateCat:
I would like to put a few words in, first I need to losen my belt after a case of Ole Milwaukees Best well you understand, these brits are gay and I can prove it. First off their leader is a queen, their music is called queen, and they talk about smoken fags. And in the name of Sam Hill if that ain't Gay well I don't know what is. Also Mr Shakespear when you describe cowboys as Ignant use a capitol I.
Wow AU, lookee here, you've got trolls on your side, how validated are you.
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Pretty Boy John Edwards ( how's my hair look?) is the most absurd candidate in a long time....
a) What the f*ck did he ever rutting do as a Senator for 6 years???
b) As a MALPRACTICE TRIAL LAWYER he made megamillions suing everyone in sight for bullshit ADA and other immoral legal squeezings of honest business folk.
Talk about the lowest of the low....every lawyer I know ( prosecutor & defense attys ) says that this hayseed is scum....when scum call ya scum...that's worth thinkin' 'bout.
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I did, but you ignored it because you can't argue against it, prefering instead to call me and all British people homosexual,
No, you didn't. You even admitted you didn't have an example, then you tried to switch the issue back to the silly gay thing. Maybe I hit a nerve after all Hmmmm.
Fact is, many were saying the exact same thing and even more damning things about Iraq long before Bush was in office, and even after he was in office. Sorry, but that fact alone makes Bush's comments far and away above anything Edwards said about ESC research. And then there's the small matter of the U.N, it's 17 Resolutions, the 15-0 Security council vote.....Sorry, but you've got nothing on this issue.
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Quote:My god, you are actually delusional. Maybe you should read the posts you reply to before replying, lest you continue to make yourself look like a complete twat. There's a quote from Bush with my comments in my post and there always has been. Evidently you are incapable of reading.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, you didn't. You even admitted you didn't have an example, then you tried to switch the issue back to the silly gay thing. Maybe I hit a nerve after all Hmmmm.
I certainly didn't admit to not having a quote. You're living on cloud cuckoo land. Maybe you should go take your meds then return when you have stopped hallucinating.
By just denying the words I wrote are there, right there for all to see you're just making yourself look like a crazy person.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:My god, you are actually delusional. Maybe you should read the posts you reply to before replying, lest you continue to make yourself look like a complete twat. There's a quote from Bush with my comments in my post and there always has been. Evidently you are incapable of reading.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, you didn't. You even admitted you didn't have an example, then you tried to switch the issue back to the silly gay thing. Maybe I hit a nerve after all Hmmmm.
I certainly didn't admit to not having a quote. You're living on cloud cuckoo land. Maybe you should go take your meds then return when you have stopped hallucinating.
By just denying the words I wrote are there, right there for all to see you're just making yourself look like a crazy person.
You offered no quote. You then stated that even if you DID have one, I'd not read it. But as for the Bush 'reference' you gave before I clarified my thoughts -
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Fact is, many were saying the exact same thing and even more damning things about Iraq long before Bush was in office, and even after he was in office. Sorry, but that fact alone makes Bush's comments far and away above anything Edwards said about ESC research. And then there's the small matter of the U.N, it's 17 Resolutions, the 15-0 Security council vote.....Sorry, but you've got nothing on this issue.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Brokeback mountain was about cowboys.
And sheep...
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Quote:It's right there in my post.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You offered no quote.
Quote:Blatant and verifiable lie.
You then stated that even if you DID have one, I'd not read it.
A direct quote, since you are not honest enough to give one:
Quote:I never said I didn't have a quote, and I also gave one, two blatant lies in as many sentences.
Besides if I were to post quotes it would merely lead to a stalemate where you got you knickers all in a twist showing how they're really good and stuff.
Quote:It's far from a 'refrence' you moron, it's a quote from the Address to the nation, March 17, 2003, a quote because he said it, further lying huh. You said I gave no quote, I catch you in the lie, you lie again claiming it is merely a refrence.
But as for the Bush 'reference' you gave before I clarified my thoughts -Quote:
Fact is, many were saying the exact same thing and even more damning things about Iraq long before Bush was in office, and even after he was in office. Sorry, but that fact alone makes Bush's comments far and away above anything Edwards said about ESC research. And then there's the small matter of the U.N, it's 17 Resolutions, the 15-0 Security council vote.....Sorry, but you've got nothing on this issue.
And very good, you blatantly lie and when I prove it you go back and change your post. Pathetic.
You even said exactly what I said you would, man you're predictable, dishonest but predictable none the less.
You can always tell when someone has lost a debate, they start personal attacks and they start twisting the data and lying, you've lost, your continued blathering does nothing but make you look like a petty mind moron.
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" I merely used Bush as an example, besides you wouldn't read any quotes I posted, it may shut down your brain to entertain that Bush isn't the greatest man who ever lived. And to be honest where do I start?
Besides if I were to post quotes it would merely lead to a stalemate where you got you knickers all in a twist showing how they're really good and stuff. To be honest by stepping back and allowing you to blather on about my sexuallity the truths case is helped far more than the truth alone ever could. Bravo!"
See here, citizen, this is what caused the confusion. You posted a quote,finally, after a post or 2,....and nothing else. No ' Bush said ' or context,time, etc, initially. Fine, you DID give a quote. I wasn't LYING, I simply missed it. But it was so inconsequential and meaningless w/ respect to the discussion we're having, it was easy to miss. Bush was among a chorus of those saying Iraq had WMD. So what ? How's that compare to what Edwards said ? It doesn't.
And I didn't lie by going back to change my post, I wasn't even aware you had replied already. I simply edited my own post, which is my right, and there was nothing at all in the way of trying to pull one over on you. I even went to the trouble of noting I changed my comments in my follow up reply. So, lighten up.
Jesus H.... what a waste of time and effort here. The next time you want to venture into talking about US politics when you know nothing about it, do us a favor and DON'T.
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Quote:what, by not saying what you said it did? You said that I expressly said I did not have a quote, that is a blatant and proven lie. I did not expressly state that, so at the very best that statement was a gross exaggeration, which in these circumstances is as good as an outright lie in my book. Funny, while you're decrying Edwards you are using the same tactics you accuse him of.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
See here, citizen, this is what caused the confusion.
Quote:It was very clear from the context within it was posted what it was. However if you only skimmed the post because you care not what anyone thinks but yourself it may have been easy to miss. If that is in fact what you did then this really is a waste of time, because as per usual you have no interest in anything save causing a flame war. Which is it, are you interested only in flaming or were you lying?
You posted a quote,finally, after a post or 2,....and nothing else. No ' Bush said ' or context,time, etc, initially.
Quote:Then why did you ask for it? Oh yes because I mentioned Bush is no better than any other politician and you threw a tantrum because you can't handle the fact that Bush isn't the greatest man alive.
But it was so inconsequential and meaningless w/ respect to the discussion we're having, it was easy to miss.
Quote:He's the President, so what comes out of his administration is his responsibility. Funny, anything good "isn't bush great" anything bad "Bush isn't responsible" very predictable.
Bush was among a chorus of those saying Iraq had WMD. So what ?
Quote:I said exactly this, Edwards quote hasn't led to actions that directly or indirectly caused thousands of deaths, doesn't compare in the slightest. But your usual lack of non-partisan perspective prevents you from seeing anything beyond your fanatical love of George Bush.
How's that compare to what Edwards said ? It doesn't.
Quote:Convenient, considering my following post pointed out what you had been denying, then your earlier post just happens to be edited to reflect this.
And I didn't lie by going back to change my post, I wasn't even aware you had replied already. I simply edited my own post, which is my right, and there was nothing at all in the way of trying to pull one over on you.
Quote:Lighten up, you lie about the contents of my post, attack my entire nation, something that would elicit a foul flame from you and others, and personally attacked me for no reason other than I don't parrot your views, and you're telling me to lighten up, that's real rich.
I even went to the trouble of noting I changed my comments in my follow up reply. So, lighten up.
Why don't you and PirateCat go find PirateNews and troll it up in troll country, that's what it's there for.
Quote:I agree, but talking to you nearly always is.
Jesus H.... what a waste of time and effort here.
Quote:Next time you want to venture into talking about anything beyond Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel or Firefly, of which you have conclusively proven you know nothing, please do everyone a favour and don't. Funny you have no answers for 7%, I would put money on him understanding the US political system far better than you.
The next time you want to venture into talking about US politics when you know nothing about it, do us a favor and DON'T.
I would also put money on George Bush campaign managers being less partisan than you, but that's not only by the by, but blindingly obvious to anyone who has ever read one of your posts.
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but given the current state of affairs i'd even take Palpatine/Vader 2008... at least some COMPETENT evil dictators for once.
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Brokeback is a liberal movie not a cowboy western. Cowboys run horse or cattle. Since I live in New Mexico show me a sheep farm in Colorado. Oh yeah that Heath fella is an Auzzie too. One more thing since I am from North Carolina and John Edwards said he did not care about my job which I still have the news paper thankyou very much solve Northern Irelands problem before ya talk about US issues jackass.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Quote:The cease fires holding, get a clue before proving yourself an idiot.
Originally posted by PirateCat:
solve Northern Irelands problem before ya talk about US issues jackass.
Oh, and terrorism only a global issue if it's directed at the US huh, not that that surprises me.
Maybe we could look at the USA's masterful treatment of North Vietnam for inspiration on how to deal with any further problems in Northern Ireland, your big scary military sure showed them rice farmers whats what huh.
Right before they beat you that is.
I think the world would be happy if you solved the multitude of US domestic problems before telling the rest of the world how to run their buisness, wank stain
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Next time you want to venture into talking about anything beyond Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel or Firefly, of which you have conclusively proven you know nothing, please do everyone a favour and don't. Funny you have no answers for 7%, I would put money on him understanding the US political system far better than you.
I would also put money on George Bush campaign managers being less partisan than you, but that's not only by the by, but blindingly obvious to anyone who has ever read one of your posts.
You said you don't even know John Edwards. But the fact that you didn't find a quote from Bush or ANY OTHER politician which sank to the level of Edward's and his pandering only shows I was right after all. And yes, you did offer up a Bush quote, one which I admitted to having missed. But that quote was so inane and meaningless w/ respect to the discussion we were having, it simply doesn't count. As for me 'lying' , that's an even farther reach than the Bush quote equating to what Edwards said. Please, learn the difference between being wrong and intentionally lying. I doubt you're so dense that you can't comprehend such a basic difference between the two.
" of which you have conclusively proven you know nothing "
That might stand as the most ridiculous and inane quote of yours for the entire year. And that's saying a lot.
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Funny you have no answers for 7%, I would put money on him understanding the US political system far better than you.
I wasn't aware I needed to answer anything from 7%. Guess I'll go look up his last post. What does knowing the US political system have anything to do w/this discussion? Oh, nothing. That's right. If 7% does know more about the political system, then jolly good for him. But that doesn't make him more informed or 'right' on this issie.
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For citizens reading pleasure, a reply to 7%'s post.
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No, but the fundies are scared of Jesus, and the current admins used their fear of science to scare up votes in the last election.
The Bush admin used their fear of science to scare up votes? Exactly how was that done ? And how'd that turn out, huh? I don't think the public gave two flips about the issue.
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What's the harm in pumping money and scientists into that research? Many awesome discoveries came out of projects relating to a bigger one. Who knows what we can find on the way?
The harm is that there is a finite amount of $$ for reasearch. And if you throw that $ down the rabbit hole chasing miracle cures from ESCs when there are very REAL cures and advances being made from adult stem cells, very real results being made TODAY, then you delay helpful treatments for untold numbers of paitents for the gamble that a few more could be helped down the road.
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Superman is a cultural icon. Is (was) Reeves more important than any of those people to you? No. But as a cultural icon, wouldn't it be great if the man who was a hero to the world, and after his accident a hero to the disabled, be able to walk again? My God, the hope that would have given the world would have been stunning.
You want a feel good story ? Read up on what Lance Armstrong was facing with his body full of tumors and how he fought back to not just survive, but to come back a true champion. I admired Chris Reeves myself, and acknowledge his bravery and courage. Both he and *Chucky Mullins are testiments to the power of the human spirit. They shall not soon be forgotten.
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But I want to bring something to your attention. You're over in other threads praising the death of Saddam. To the average Iraqi, is his hanging more important than when their brother got killed by accident by American forces? Or blown up in a car bomb by terrorists who weren't there when we started? It's amazing how you can sit here in one thread and get your righteous indignation on about saying one person isn't more important than another, then in an entirely different thread say that people should understand how certain people are more important than others, and be proud how one person was taken out at the cost of tens of thousands of lives. It's hypocracy.
I have no idea where you're going w/ this paragraph. Saddam murdered 10,000's of his own citizens. HE was directly responsible for the rape, torture and murder of his own countrymen. He commmitted crimes against humanity, and how you are oblivious to that really stuns me. Saddam is directly responsible for far more deaths of Iraqis than are the U.S. forces. There's no hypocrisy on my part, what so ever.
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Really? Bush said he was going to transform the mid-east into a democratic place by attacking Iraq. You still follow him happy-slappy down that magical fairy tale, long after people said it was a disaster. I guess you just can't recognize all those snake-oil salesmen, can you AU?
You see the Islamic terrorist as blameless for all the car bombs, rocket attacks, kidnappings, beheadings, etc.... I don't. There in lies the difference between us, I suppose.
Quote:How in the world was Edward's heinous comment in any way 'decent' ?? And just where the hell did I TWIST anything ? You sir, have it completely twisted in your skull. If you want to defend that heartless lawyer , by all means, have at it. Its you who has to face the reflection in mirror every morning. Hope you can stomach what you see.
Edwards made a thousand goofs and misquotes and "snake-oil" pitches in the last election cycle. But you, in your typical disingenuous fashion, pick the one decent quote the guy said and twist it. I don't even like the guy, and you made me want to defend him. Good job.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Bush admin used their fear of science to scare up votes? Exactly how was that done ? And how'd that turn out, huh? I don't think the public gave two flips about the issue.
Really? I could have sworn it was a major issue ...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/issues/2004-10-2
6-stem-cell-research_x.htm
http://web.mit.edu/pugwash/electionguide2004/cloning.html
And the winner, numbnuts, is this one:
The president and his operatives know that their core base of supporters fervently opposes all forms of abortion and agrees that embryos are people from the moment of conception.
http://www.bioethics.net/articles.php?viewCat=2&articleId=69
..and about a thousand more articles available from any google search of election issues and Bush's base. Use the google-fu.
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The harm is that there is a finite amount of $$ for reasearch. And if you throw that $ down the rabbit hole chasing miracle cures from ESCs when there are very REAL cures and advances being made from adult stem cells, very real results being made TODAY, then you delay helpful treatments for untold numbers of paitents for the gamble that a few more could be helped down the road.
REAL scientists (see, I can use the caps key too) TODAY believe in the potential of ESC research. Why don't we take the money from other failed programs (it's been widely proven that despite the multimillions spent on it, abstinance only education is a wash) and spend it where it might do some good. The fact that American scientists are fleeing the country for other countries where the research is legal (see some of the above links, or use the google-fu) is damaging to the economy.
You also seem to equate putting some money into ESC research meant that I wanted to take money AWAY from ASC research. I never said that, but it was a nice attempted strawman from you nonetheless. I wish there were more money to go around for that too.
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You want a feel good story ? Read up on what Lance Armstrong was facing [...blah blah blah...] to the power of the human spirit. They shall not soon be forgotten.
I don't want a "feel good story." I want medical cures for people. Are you really stupid enough to compare Lance Armstrong with Reeves? It's apples and wrenches. Armstrong benefitted from medical science that already existed. He wasn't paralyzed with a fucking spinal injury that has no cures. Yes, he battled cancer. I battled cancer, I won too (several years ago, and it hasn't returned, thank God); that's feel good enough for me. But I could walk the whole time, because I didn't have a spinal injury!
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I have no idea where you're going w/ this paragraph.
That's because you either weren't paying attention or haven't developed reading comprehension skills basic to most 4th graders. Your pick.
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Saddam murdered 10,000's of his own citizens. HE was directly responsible for the rape, torture and murder of his own countrymen. He commmitted crimes against humanity, and how you are oblivious to that really stuns me. Saddam is directly responsible for far more deaths of Iraqis than are the U.S. forces. There's no hypocrisy on my part, what so ever.
You said, "what makes Reeves more important than my sister?"
In another thread, you said, "pursuing Saddam was more important than thousands of Iraqi lives and the lives of Americans"
I said, "Reeves may have been a beacon of hope for many, based on his status as a cultural icon."
I said, "many Iraqis feel that they were better off under Saddam, because an American hadn't killed their sister."
Is it really that hard for you to grasp how you are saying two completely opposite things? In one thread, no one person is more important than another, in an alternate thread, one person is more important than thousands. Hypocrite.
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You see the Islamic terrorist as blameless for all the car bombs, rocket attacks, kidnappings, beheadings, etc.... I don't.
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Quote:How can that be a fact when its a false statement ? ESC research is legal here in the US. All that's been done is that no more $$ at the Fed level is spent on it. The private sector is free to spend to its hearts content. States are free to spend their own $$ on ESC research , as is the case in California.
The fact that American scientists are fleeing the country for other countries where the research is legal
Quote:No, you're a gullible and naive moron, that's what you are. They absolutely where there, and Saddam was giving them cover. Ever hear of Abu Abbas?
The difference is I'm smart enough to realize that Islamic terrorists weren't in Iraq before we got there.
“Abu Abbas was the holder of an Iraqi diplomatic passport….
Saddam also paid the fammilies of suicide bombers who attacked Israel.
But there were no terrorist there, huh? Please.
Quote:Go back to grade school and learn the definition of the word before you use it, and then learn about CONTEXT. In different situations and under differnt arguments, the issue of hypocrisy is irrelevent. Why ? Because we are NOT talking about the same or *equivalent things. Moron.
Is it really that hard for you to grasp how you are saying two completely opposite things? In one thread, no one person is more important than another, in an alternate thread, one person is more important than thousands. Hypocrite.
Quote:I was referring to Edward's remark that a vote for him and Kerry would lead to find a cure for those like Reeves, and allow for him to stand up and walk out of that chair. THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE, pin head. Stop trying to bob and weave.
I explained all that in my first post in this thread. I'm only going to repeat one portion. You acted like his whole comment involved some psychic link that knew about the imminent death of Reeves and was made worse by it. It's not twisted, it's just idiotic.
And btw, it was citizen who dragged you back in here, w/ his post. Not me.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
[ The private sector is free to spend to its hearts content. States are free to spend their own $$ on ESC research , as is the case in California.
And we all know how eager the private sector is to jump on cures for things. Give me the last major medical cure that came from the private sector, not through gov't grants and research.
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Ever hear of Abu Abbas?
“Abu Abbas was the holder of an Iraqi diplomatic passport….
Yes I have - have you? Abbas was a hijacker of the Achille Lauro over what, 20 years ago? How's he relevant to the terrorist threat now in Iraq? How was he even relevant to anything involving Islamic fundamentalism in the "post-9/11 world" that you get so worked up over. Your terrorist proof is Abbas? That's the biggest grasp at straws I've ever seen...no wait, here comes another...
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Saddam also paid the fammilies of suicide bombers who attacked Israel.
Wow. He paid some widows off. That's some HUGE terror support right there. Oh, you're right, paying off widows is just ghastly.
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Go back to grade school and learn the definition of the word before you use it, and then learn about CONTEXT. In different situations and under differnt arguments, the issue of hypocrisy is irrelevent.
I'd say the issue is pretty relevant. You threw a high and mighty fit about the value of people. Now you're trying to weasel out of it with "situational ethics." Context is irrelevant. If you've ever said in any thread (and I bet you have) that Saddam is a symbol of oppression, you're a hypocrite.
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equivolent
Equivalent.
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Moron.
Right back at you.
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I was referring to Edward's remark that a vote for him and Kerry would lead to find a cure for those like Reeves, and allow for him to stand up and walk out of that chair.
Yes, you were. And nowhere did they say that he would magically walk from the chair. That was your twist. They said that voting for them would be a big push for that issue. You don't like Edwards so you twisted the meaning of his words. Then, you got bent out of shape because Reeves died, like Edwards could see that coming when he spoke.
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THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE, pin head. Stop trying to bob and weave.
The only one bobbing and weaving, jackass, is you. You've put up strawman after strawman in this thread, and brought up terrorists from the 80's to defend a weak position on Islamic fundamentalism (and Abbas' goals were, IIRC, political, not religious, which makes his appearance in your post ludicrous, at best).
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And btw, it was citizen who dragged you back in here, w/ his post. Not me.
And in a juvenile fashion, you took his "bait." No smile here.
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Context is irrelevant. If you've ever said in any thread (and I bet you have) that Saddam is a symbol of oppression, you're a hypocrite.
Why don't you just have this discussion w/ yourself? You seem quite comfortable at making up positions that others haven't taken to make your arguments. Context is imparitive, and not irrelevent. If Saddam murdered 10,000's of innocent Iraqis, then yes, HE is the focus those crimes. If you're talking about who should walk or wheel their way through life, then YOU are playing God. Because you feel Chris Reeves was an 'icon', you'd play favorites with him over anyone else ? You truly are delusional.
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And nowhere did they say that he would magically walk from the chair. That was your twist. They said that voting for them would be a big push for that issue. You don't like Edwards so you twisted the meaning of his words.
That's bullshit, and you know it! You're intentionally twisting MY words and then saying I'm the one who twisted Edward's words! Unfuckingbelievable! I never claimed THEY said anyone would 'magically' walk, but Edwards DID promise that which he knew he could not offer. THEY were the ones who were pandering here, you fucking moron, NOT ME!!
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Maybe he thought they could deliver - not in a year, or four, but seven or ten. How do you know what he was thinking?
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Quote:Iraq was such a wonderful place back in those days. No one was ever terrorized in Iraq.
Originally posted by SevenPercent:
The difference is I'm smart enough to realize that Islamic terrorists weren't in Iraq before we got there.
But on the embryonic stem cell stuff: I like embryonic stem cell research. It doesn’t seem to be panning out at the moment, but it might some day. And there are ways to get new embryos. Fetuses die or abort naturally, what if a would-be mother felt that the tragic and natural demise of her fetus should be used for research? I could probably imagine that most women would not want that, but some might, and it would only take a few to fuel the research. The problem with that is that I get the feeling some abortion advocates are just drooling over harvesting of human embryos, and that just makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
Contrary to the fantasies of people who think there were no Islamic terrorist in Iraq there is, in fact, embryonic stem cell research being conducted in the United States. A lot of it, actually. Embryonic stem cell research is not banned in the US, and to my knowledge never has been, but because of lies and intentionally misleading statements by some in the media and some politicians, people seem to believe Bush banned stem cell research in 2001. Stem cell research, even embryonic stem cell research, unregulated, with private and state funding, furthermore Stem cell research, even embryonic stem cell research, continues with federal funding, but limited to the existing 72 lines. So, embryonic stem cell research is continuing unregulated. The so-called “ban” didn’t affect private or state-funding and federally funding research hasn’t run out of stem cell lines yet, so their going just fine too.
The reason why no miracle cures have come out of embryonic stem cell research is because that’s fantasy: there is no such thing as a miracle cure. Research takes time, and it’s probably just way too soon to see any results. But it’s also true that embryonic stem cell research doesn’t look as promising as adult stem cell research. So there may never be the kind of benefit emerging from embryonic stem cells that has already been found with adult stem cell research.
So what’s the issue with embryonic stem cell research? Part of it is Abortion! It’s driven, to some degree, by abortion advocacy and the desire to give abortion some moral legitimization by equating it with crazy medical miracles, in the hopes that it will make the Pro-choice argument more acceptable. The other part has to do with scientists promoting their research to get funding, and I think the public has interpreted this as a far greater affirmation of embryonic stem cell research then is probably realistic.
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"It’s driven, to some degree, by abortion advocacy and the desire to give abortion some moral legitimization by equating it with crazy medical miracles, in the hopes that it will make the Pro-choice argument more acceptable."
How strange of you to think that. And what a strange idea that is.
I have a fairly young family member whose brain was seriously damaged by a stroke. Lots of neurons were wiped out. And neurons (as you know) don't generally replace themselves. So looking around for future potential, nothing seems like it will fix that except stem cell research - transplanting cells to replace the dead ones and have them grow into place and function. Validating abortion isn't even a consideration.
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Quote:But I did, the fact that you are too partisan to admit that, or indeed objectively analyse a quote from the man you love is hardly my problem, and does, indeed, prove me right. I've won, you admitting that fact is hardly required, but would stop you looking like the petty minded child you manage to portray yourself as so often.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
But the fact that you didn't find a quote from Bush or ANY OTHER politician which sank to the level of Edward's and his pandering only shows I was right after all.
Quote:Because you didn't read my post because you are not interested in anything anyone has to say, indeed you are only interested in silencing anyone who doesn't have a carbon copy of your own opinions. Trolling seems to be the way you go about that.
And yes, you did offer up a Bush quote, one which I admitted to having missed.
Quote:You asked for a quote where Bush was exaggerating or lying, I provided one, you can't handle the fact you are wrong, I get that.
But that quote was so inane and meaningless w/ respect to the discussion we were having, it simply doesn't count.
Quote:Not really, you did lie, so did Bush. As for the Edwards quote all you've managed to show is that you judge the other side far more harshly than your own and that when exposed you'll lie and personally attack people in a transparent attempt to wriggle out of it.
As for me 'lying' , that's an even farther reach than the Bush quote equating to what Edwards said.
Quote:I know the difference, Bush was lying, Edwards may very well have been wrong. But because you are the biggest partisan it has ever been my misfortune to meet you'll never admit it. As someone else said, you'd have no problem with Bush lying while clubbing baby seals, as long as it was Bush doing it.
Please, learn the difference between being wrong and intentionally lying. I doubt you're so dense that you can't comprehend such a basic difference between the two.
Also you let Bush off the hook because 'other people said it too'. Since other people besides John Edwards have said that ESC research will make people walk again it is merely your partisanship, dirty debating tactics, double standards and idiocy that allows you to apply lopsided standards.
Quote:Just because you say it doesn't make it true. And in fact you saying it probably makes it false, that's just how things work with you. I'd hate to make this assertion about you though, we're just five days into 2007, so there's lots of time for you to make a bigger twat of yourself.
That might stand as the most ridiculous and inane quote of yours for the entire year. And that's saying a lot.
Fact is what I said is very true, your inability to recognise or admit to it are your own problems.
Quote:Well obviously you thought it meant something to the discussion, which is why you brought it up. Funny how when it suits you you change tack huh, guess you don't have much problem lying.
I wasn't aware I needed to answer anything from 7%. Guess I'll go look up his last post. What does knowing the US political system have anything to do w/this discussion? Oh, nothing.
Quote:But then it doesn't mean I can't tell when you're blatantly twisting a quote through partisanship, you attempted to silence me because I apparently "know nothing about the US political system", remember, or do you only remember those facts that are convenient?
That's right. If 7% does know more about the political system, then jolly good for him. But that doesn't make him more informed or 'right' on this issie.
It is far from surprising that your verbal attacks aren't even internally consistent.
Quote:And 7% wins too. Now if you could go away and have your temper tantrum elsewhere that would be oh so nice.
THEY were the ones who were pandering here, you fucking moron, NOT ME!!
Have you ever wondered why even those who share your political affiliation distance themselves from your arguments? Why
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Yes, of course, and then there is the late Christopher Reeve and Michael J. Fox, etc. There are lots of people for which it is believed that treatments from embryonic stem cell could hypothetical cure or help treat, and I tend to also believe that that’s a possibility. The reality however is different from what we believe and what we hope to be true. The reality is that we can’t even make use of the plupotency of embryonic stem cells yet, to my knowledge, and it’s not clear to me that we ever will. So we can all sit around and dream for the future, but as it stands right now maybe adult and child stem cells may be the best hope for your family member.
However, none of that explains to me the craze behind embryonic stem cells, and the only thing that seems to make sense to me is that it has somehow been tied into the abortion debate. Some of the people who tend to be the most irrational on this issue also tend to be those who are very pro-abortion. That is those who insist that there is a “ban” on embryonic stem cells, or that insist upon pleas to emotion or petty. While I’m not without sympathy for people who suffer from conditions that could hypothetically be helped by embryonic stem cells, I’m also leery of creating a society where viable human life is cannibalized. I’m not against cannibalizing embryos that have been naturally rejected for pregnancy, but we need to go forward with this carefully, understanding that there are political and legal issues that must be dealt with.
And in all honesty, I’m not sure how to do that. And for what it’s worth, my heart and prayers go out to your family member as well as others who might hypothetically be helped by embryonic stem cells, and I really do hope that embryonic stem cells becomes all that some claim it will or might be, but none of that means anything to me, if we can’t work out the legal and political issues. What if embryonic stem cells do pan out? What happens when there is actually a real reason for all this wild politics? That probably doesn’t bother people who think an embryo is no more important then a scab or a toenail clipping, but to others, there is a serious moral conflict in the exchanging of one human life for another.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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Quote:As I'm sure you are the most moral person here and undoubtedly have the moral high ground, maybe you can tell us how using an embryo that is to be thrown away, such as the ones used in IVF treatments, is a worse use than just disposing of it?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That probably doesn’t bother people who think an embryo is no more important then a scab or a toenail clipping, but to those with a higher degree of compassion for human life, there is a serious moral conflict in the exchanging of one human life for another.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Quote:Well, I certainly agree with you on the moral high ground part, considering the callous disregard you’ve displayed for a human embryo.
Originally posted by citizen:
As I'm sure you are the most moral person here and undoubtedly have the moral high ground, maybe you can tell us how using an embryo that is to be thrown away, such as the ones used in IVF treatments, is a worse use than just disposing of it?
As for the rest of it, maybe I didn’t make myself clear, I don’t think I would have any problem using “an embryo that is to be thrown away” for medical research or treatment. The problem I have is in how we decide what constitutes an “embryo that is to be thrown away,” and I don’t think people who have no compassion for the conception of human life or it’s prenatal byproduct are really in a moral position to make that decision.Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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I have a fairly young family member whose brain was seriously damaged by a stroke. Lots of neurons were wiped out. And neurons (as you know) don't generally replace themselves. So looking around for future potential, nothing seems like it will fix that except stem cell research - transplanting cells to replace the dead ones and have them grow into place and function. Validating abortion isn't even a consideration.
The best hope for medical advances which may yield benfitial to those suffering from similar type situations as your family member are adult stem cell research. All indications are that stem cells from the patient themselves will provide the best treatment/ cure.
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Quote:You obviously missed the sarcasm. I don't think someone who has no problem with people dying after they are born as morally superior. Nor do I find that people who have to make a big thing of their own moral superiority over anyone who doesn't share their opinions tend to be particularly 'morally superior' in any way.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Well, I certainly agree with you on the moral high ground part, considering the callous disregard you’ve displayed for a human embryo.
Quote:Looking in the bin at an IVF clinic is a good start. We don't need to decide anything, they're already being thrown away, use those embryos.
The problem I have is in how we decide what constitutes an “embryo that is to be thrown away,”
Quote:Neither should people who think a single cell that may, some day possibly be a baby, is more important than a living breathing human being.
I don’t think people who have no compassion for the conception of human life or it’s prenatal byproduct are really in a moral position to make that decision.
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You asked for a quote where Bush was exaggerating or lying, I provided one, you can't handle the fact you are wrong, I get that.
Nope, that's not what I asked for at all. Try learning how to read before you respond. Sure, all politicians stretch the truth and bend the facts, but to the degree that Edwards did ,and the amount of shameless pandering he added...it's the worst I've ever seen by a legitimate national candidate. All you did was give a quote where Bush said the about the same thing that dozens of other politicians have said, both Dem and GOP, and many even before Bush was in office. Pretty lame attempt on your part.
And no, I didn't lie. Sorry. You keep repeating this nonsenses like a 5 yr old because that's all you have. But inside, you know I'm right.
I know the difference, Bush was lying, Edwards may very well have been wrong. But because you are the biggest partisan it has ever been my misfortune to meet you'll never admit it. As someone else said, you'd have no problem with Bush lying while clubbing baby seals, as long as it was Bush doing it.
Quote:No others have said what Edwards has said. None of used a topic and so completely pandered to those looking for hope and been given nothing but empty lies and false hopes. I can give you dozens of quotes which match what Bush said per Iraq. I challenge you to do the same per Edwards.
Also you let Bush off the hook because 'other people said it too'. Since other people besides John Edwards have said that ESC research will make people walk again it is merely your partisanship, dirty debating tactics, double standards and idiocy that allows you to apply lopsided standards.
To sum up your petty reply, all you've done is claim I'm lying when you can't back up YOUR claims or when you can't offer up a logical rebuttle. Whether you know nothing of our political system or not is irrelevent. Edward's quote is the issue, and not one that I had to do any twisting what so ever. His quote alone is far better than I could ever craft if I wanted to make him look bad.
Until you prove that I'm wrong on an issue, I don't care how many trolls come along and take your side. Being right doesn't always mean standing with the sheep. I'm fine w/ that here, in fact, I'm proud of it.
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Quote:That’s my understanding as well. Adult stem cells already seem to be achieving the high-hoped hypothetical promises of embryonic stem cells.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The best hope for medical advances which may yield benfitial to those suffering from similar type situations as your family member are adult stem cell research. All indications are that stem cells from the patient themselves will provide the best treatment/ cure.
“June 24, 2004 -- An experimental surgery using stem cells from adult organs is showing promise in helping patients paralyzed with spinal cord injuries.
Two patients paralyzed in automobile accidents in 2001 say the experimental procedure has helped them gain use of muscles they were told by doctors would never function again. Both say they are now able to walk with the use of leg braces.”
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/89/100250.htm
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Quote:That's exactly what you asked for, a quote to back up what I had said, lying about that now won't help you. If I were Rumsfield I'd say "I know you know I know you know, so don't tell me I don't know you know you don't know, you know".
Originally posted by PirateRaptor:
Nope, that's not what I asked for at all. Try learning how to read before you respond.
Try remembering what actually happened before replying. Also learn some basic spelling before taking 'issie'[[]sic[]] with other peoples literacy.
Least I actually read your posts rather than skim them for trolling material I mean.
Quote:Of course it is, he's a democrat and you are incapable of impartially evaluating anything, we've been over this already.
it's the worst I've ever seen by a legitimate national candidate.
Suffice to say John Edwards quote bears no relation to Bush's, it is, after all, nowhere near as bad.
Quote:Not really, but even if this was so it would be nowhere near as lame as your 'point' and debating skills, which are, and lets be fair to you, non-existent.
Pretty lame attempt on your part.
Quote:Yeah ya did, you know you did, inside, just a shame you can't admit it.
And no, I didn't lie. Sorry.
Quote:Can't you come up with a come back of your own? Why do you keep using mine? Are you slow or something?
You keep repeating this nonsenses like a 5 yr old because that's all you have. But inside, you know I'm right.
Inside I know you're far too fanatical and stupid to evaluate anything yourself or entertain the idea you may be wrong. Which is why you so often are.
Quote:Well if I were you I'd say something like:
No others have said what Edwards has said. None of used a topic and so completely pandered to those looking for hope and been given nothing but empty lies and false hopes. I can give you dozens of quotes which match what Bush said per Iraq. I challenge you to do the same per Edwards.
You've never seen anything like what Bush said, "or you'd have offered it up as evidence."
But since I'm thankfully not you:
You challenge me to say I can come up dozens of quotes? Because that's easy, or do you challenge me to actually come up with them? I assume the latter because you have a proven track record of holding everyone else to higher standards than yourself, probably because you could never hope to live up to them.
I'll go one step better and give lists of articles:
Embryonic Stem Cell Research
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/stem-cell-research/
Ask a Geneticist
http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=163
There's lots there, just throw an inane personal insult my way if you want some more.
Quote:I've shown quite conclusively you were lying, your childish inability to admit it is not my problem. I have also backed up my claims, you however have not backed up yours, nor even tried, preferring to make childish personal insults and national slights than a logical reasoned argument. Though that is pretty much your MO so I wasn't expecting much else.
To sum up your petty reply, all you've done is claim I'm lying when you can't back up YOUR claims or when you can't offer up a logical rebuttle.
At best your entire sentence is an exercise in gross hypocrisy, it's also a shame you can't come up with your own material, not that I expect you are capable.
Quote:Except you bought it up, so you are just shouting at yourself, but whatever.
Whether you know nothing of our political system or not is irrelevent.
Quote:I think this was my line, once again, get your own material.
Edward's quote is the issue, and not one that I had to do any twisting what so ever.
Quote:Sums up my feelings whenever you post quite succinctly.
His quote alone is far better than I could ever craft if I wanted to make him look bad.
Quote:Already done, as I keep saying becau
Until you prove that I'm wrong on an issue, I don't care how many trolls come along and take your side.
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Citizen:
I hope you share equal contempt for these politicians who:
Quote:
Originally posted by Citizen:
...brought the US and other into war with Iraq, a war that has ended tens, hundreds of thousands of lives....
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | http://web.archive.org/web/20040204225854/www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/
speeches/spc_2003_0123.html
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | http://web.archive.org/web/20040206224935/johnkerry.com/pressroom/spee
ches/spc_2002_1009.html
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/US/9802/04/us.un.iraq/
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/18/iraq.political.analysis/
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9802/01/iraq/
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/iraq/iraq172.htm
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/17/wh.critics/
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/4136328.htm
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/gore_text092
302.html
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/gore_text092
302.html
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 http://www.senate.gov/~rockefeller/news/2002/flrstmt0102002.html
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capabilit
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Quote:Not exactly the same thing, he's not saying he has got weapons of mass destruction, but that he's trying to get them. Different sentiment.
Originally posted by Razza:
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | http://web.archive.org/web/20040204225854/www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/
speeches/spc_2003_0123.html
Quote:Not so great, but I hardly think saying "I believe" is in the same league as "there is no doubt".
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | http://web.archive.org/web/20040206224935/johnkerry.com/pressroom/spee
ches/spc_2002_1009.html
Quote:Hows saying "we want to stop Saddam getting WMDs" the same as saying "Saddam definatly has WMD"?
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/US/9802/04/us.un.iraq/
Quote:Program rather than weapons themselves, not the same thing but possibly an exaggeration.
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/18/iraq.political.analysis/
Quote:Isn't she talking about the period prior to the first Gulf War where he did have and use chemical weapons?
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9802/01/iraq/
Quote:At best poorly worded, at worse a lie by implication.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/iraq/iraq172.htm
Quote:Still programs than weapons themselves, but most likely an exaggeration.
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/17/wh.critics/
Quote:I can't defend that. If there was that level of evidence for that certainty we'd have found something by now.
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/4136328.htm
Quote:Pure unmitigated Bullshit.
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/gore_text092
302.html
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:At best poorly worded, at worse a lie by implication.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/iraq/iraq172.htm
Saddam did use WMD, in the form of chemical weapons, at least ten times starting in 1983. See the chart about a third of the way down this report.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm#05
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:I was more thinking of the time it was made, yes he used chemical weapons from '83. I wasn't questioning that. The lie by implication is "he's used them in the past and he will use them again". I have no doubt he would, if he had them.
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:At best poorly worded, at worse a lie by implication.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/iraq/iraq172.htm
Saddam did use WMD, in the form of chemical weapons, at least ten times starting in 1983. See the chart about a third of the way down this report.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm#05
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Razza,
Most (if not all) of those quotes have been thoroughly debunked as out of context.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That's bullshit, and you know it! You're intentionally twisting MY words and then saying I'm the one who twisted Edward's words! Unfuckingbelievable! I never claimed THEY said anyone would 'magically' walk, but Edwards DID promise that which he knew he could not offer. THEY were the ones who were pandering here, you fucking moron, NOT ME!!
Aaaaaaannnnnnddd with this snap I believe we've come full circle. Temper, temper. You're like a 5-year old who can't figure out why he lost an argument with his parents on whether or not to buy a puppy.
Edwards wanted to clear paths for that research. He wanted to see people cured. He gave an inspirational speech. You state (in this post, again) that he was being cynical and not idealistic. That he was pandering, not making a real promise. There's your twist. Because of that, I called you a partisan hack, and took you to the woodshed in every post.
If the reason you got your panties in a wad was because Citi thought I knew more than you, get over it. I never said I did, and don't care if I do or don't. On the other hand, your arguing skills?
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Except you bought it up, so you are just shouting at yourself, but whatever.
Wrong again. It was you who brought up the irrelvency of the 'political process' here in the U.S. Try reading your OWN post before you try to lay blame on me or anyone else for your incompetence.
You're nothing more than a child, and it shows. Every time you disagree w/ me, you claim I'm 'lying', or some such nonsense. Could it be that Churchill was right when he said we are 2 peoples divided by a common language? A lie must mean something quite different over there than it does here in the states. I kinda doubt that's what he meant, though. You're just being a troll because you know I have far more honor and dignity than you, and to be accused of lying is pretty powerful stuff. And since you've never been able to back up any of your claims, it's clear that your intent is purely to troll here. But at least we're all in agreement on that.
You are quite literally everything you accuse me of being. The pathology of one such as yourself is a text book example of a petty, juvenile, insecure loner. I pity you.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
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Edwards wanted to clear paths for that research. He wanted to see people cured. He gave an inspirational speech. You state (in this post, again) that he was being cynical and not idealistic. That he was pandering, not making a real promise. There's your twist. Because of that, I called you a partisan hack, and took you to the woodshed in every post.
You took yourself to the woodshed, and lost miserably. No one with an above room temp IQ was conned by Edwards and his phony plea and pandering routine. It was horrific, and it was roundly called for what it was. Tacky, in poor taste and beyond the pale.
Quote:The reason I got annoyed is that you twisted my words and then claim I'M the one who was twisting words. It's impossible for me to have a rational discussion w/ one like you who is so utterly irrational. ( citizen is just a wanna be, and his comments should be dismissed by the both of us )
If the reason you got your panties in a wad was because Citi thought I knew more than you, get over it. I never said I did, and don't care if I do or don't. On the other hand, your arguing skills?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Wrong again. It was you who brought up the irrelvency of the 'political process' here in the U.S. Try reading your OWN post before you try to lay blame on me or anyone else for your incompetence.
The first time that someone questioned someone's understanding of US politics and how that meant they had no right to post was you, when you said this:
Quote:
The next time you want to venture into talking about US politics when you know nothing about it, do us a favor and DON'T.
A lie or are you just too stupid to remember what you posted just two days ago?
The 'irrelevancy' thing was my response to this. Try reading your OWN post lest you continue to prove your gross inadequacies, you sad pathetic little child.
Quote:Not every time at all, just every time you obviously lie. It's not at all childish or nonsense if it's true, and it is, I've proven another one of your lies above. I don't just say you lie and leave it at that, I prove it, and you fail consistently to disprove it.
You're nothing more than a child, and it shows. Every time you disagree w/ me, you claim I'm 'lying', or some such nonsense.
Quote:You haven't got more honour or dignity than anyone, least of all me. You don't even know the meaning of honour, and you only have dignity in your own mind, because it's painfully obvious to all here how stupid and pathetic you really are.
You're just being a troll because you know I have far more honor and dignity than you
Quote:No, I've backed up all of mine, you've backed up none of yours. Low and behold when I challenge you to back up one of your claims you post nothing but a stream of moronic ad hominems.
And since you've never been able to back up any of your claims, it's clear that your intent is purely to troll here. But at least we're all in agreement on that.
I have no problem with saying that few if any agree that I am a troll, adversely few if any agree that you are not.
Quote:My line, you're just too stupid to think up you're own material, as per usual.
You are quite literally everything you accuse me of being. The pathology of one such as yourself is a text book example of a petty, juvenile, insecure loner. I pity you.
Go back to your 'mature' ad hominems questioning peoples sexuality, and please don't talk about text books as if you ever have, or ever have been capable of, reading one.
Sad little moron who has to start flame wars in the RWED because he hasn't the courage to stand up for himself in the real world, you really are pathetic. I'd pity you, but you really don't deserve it.
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Quote:Am I really? Well since reality is always a complete 180 from anything you say I guess I must be a real winner who both you and 7% should listen too. Such a shame you lack the intelligence to listen to anyone but the man you love, huh.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
( citizen is just a wanna be, and his comments should be dismissed by the both of us )
Funny you say this, because most people do actually ignore you because you're nothing but a foul mouthed moronic partisan fool who can't have a discussion for more than two posts before resorting to childish insults.
It's funny that everything you say is ussually more correct about yourself, that is all.
Frankly I don't want you as an enemy, though I rather suspect you do, you seem to think it validates you in some way, neither do I enjoy these little tête - à - tête. I find them quite boring and annoying actually, but neither will I take your abuse with good humour nor admit it's my fault you can't keep the ad Hominems to yourself. It's your call.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:The old American money was toy money anyway, hardly a great change.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
That's why they started printing our bills all sort of fruity Monopoly money colors, instead of our tried and true Greenbacks.... They're priming us for the one world currency.
Why are you such a git?
I don't think I ever said anything about the US dollar not being toy money before. I'm well aware of the fact that we don't have a damn thing backing our currency other than a shakey promise and it's been that way for far longer than we've had orange $10.00 bills. I'm quite suprised that our economy hasn't collapsed yet and that we all aren't just working for room and board yet. This is no different than anywhere else. The FED owns all of our countries and their currencies. They constantly print more money, which is an equivilant of stock splitting and you not getting the split. The value of our currency is diminished every day and there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about it.
I simply brought up the colored currency issue because it is being used as a primer to take us from the old way America was and prepare us for our colorful one-world currency.
Believe it or not, America is not your problem man. Plenty of people over there in Monty Python Land aren't to happy with that ass-hat Blair and his RFID identification either. Bush was invisible when he signed the Real ID act over here 2 years ago and nobody noticed because there was a big "war" going on. Ah, the power of misdirection. Soon, all of our identifying characteristics and information, fingerprints, DNA samples, medical, credit, job and criminal historys will all be available in one little ID that we will be forced to have on our person at all times, or face being labeled a terrorist if we can't prove our identity.
This is much larger than our respective governments. One day we will all be speaking the same language and spending the same worthless currency and our every purchase will be tracked because eventually all paper and coin money will be discarded in favor of credit. We've already got VISA commercials over here trying to shame us out of using paper currency.
So keep being a hater man. Let the idiots in here that call Brits fags get under your skin. Personally, I wouldn't even respond to them, but you seem to really enjoy joining in and throwing crap right back at them. I guess if it makes you feel better you can blame big bad America for all of your problems. Everybody else does. It's a lot easier than say, coming up with any solutions. I bet the Queen's pride is just flowing through your veins when you post here.
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I did some looking into 'why use embryonic stem cells'.
I don't want to reproduce all the results here - but what I did was Google on "heart stem cells" source, "brain stem cells" source, and "muscle stem cells" source.
The idea was that there are some tissues with cells that constantly reproduce and they should be a good source of stem cells for that kind of tissue - external skin; internal skin; liver; and 'bone marrow' (marrow for red blood cells, platelets, and the various types of white blood cells).
For the basics of adult stem cell v embryonic stem cells see: http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics5.asp
But there are other tissues that notoriously don't seem to regenerate much like kidney, pancreas, heart, muscle and brain; and those are the tissues that would be most helped by implanting stem cells. But since they don't reproduce much they would also be the type of tissue most deficient in stem cells. And if they were deficient in stem cells you might need a lot of tissue to isolate those cells. And that therefore might be counterproductive in that you might have to remove large portions of a person’s heart, brain or muscle to get the stem cells to repair that very organ.
Apparently the search to find these stem cells in non-embryonic tissue or find stem cell substitutes has been quite extensive but not all that fruitful. Recent finds have been heart stem cells in newborn atrial tissue (the top portion of the heart) which would be a time-limited source; and potential brain stem cells in hair follicles, which needs to be confirmed. (Good news for people with hair !)
However, these cells only go through a limited number of divisions so they would also only be available in low numbers. And whether these cells are immature enough to do specific things – make up the specific kind of dopamine cell to repair Parkinson’s disease for example – or if they are too far along to adapt – remains to be seen.
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Quote:I don't know, why can't you take a joke without getting your knickers in a twist and throwing out personal insults?
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Why are you such a git?
Quote:Yeah, it's called inflation. There's actually economic reasons for it, but I'm sure they're all engenieered by British-Commie-Nazi-Alien-Jews controlled through Mind Kontrollen by her Britannic Majesty the German Alien Jew Queen of England.
The value of our currency is diminished every day and there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about it.
Quote:Or maybe it's an attempt to make American money harder to forge, who knows.
I simply brought up the colored currency issue because it is being used as a primer to take us from the old way America was and prepare us for our colorful one-world currency.
Quote:No I rather think America is Iraqs problem at the moment, but that's all by the by, I never have said America has caused all the problems of the universe since time began. Please don't confuse your conveniently created Strawmen with me.
Believe it or not, America is not your problem man.
Quote:Where as you know I don't based on your complete lack of knowledge on me, right.
Plenty of people over there in Monty Python Land aren't to happy with that ass-hat Blair and his RFID identification either.
Quote:Credit card companies make no money out of people who don't use credit. Just throwing that out there.
We've already got VISA commercials over here trying to shame us out of using paper currency.
Quote:Not really, I just find it very difficult to scroll past out and out lies. I'll take your advice on board though, I can ignore PirateNews perfectly well, but it did take his arguments and 'evidence' falling apart on several seperate occassions to get to that stage.
So keep being a hater man. Let the idiots in here that call Brits fags get under your skin. Personally, I wouldn't even respond to them, but you seem to really enjoy joining in and throwing crap right back at them.
Quote:Is there a strawman standing behind me.
I guess if it makes you feel better you can blame big bad America for all of your problems.
Quote:So's blaming the Government and some shadowy uber-evil organisations, but then, you already know that
It's a lot easier than say, coming up with any solutions.
.Quote:You're damn straight. Whenever I go an a mission to silence the truth, attempting to wipe out our great enemy PirateNews (who is just too clever for us to stop), I have a blood transfusion from her Britannic Majesty the German Alien Jew Queen of England, which helps her keep better control over me with her Mind Kontrollen.
I bet the Queen's pride is just flowing through your veins when you post here.
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You're just never wrong Citizen. You've got a response for everything. You remind me of me when I was 16.
Pretty funny though. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:Actually I am wrong plenty of times, and throw my hands up. I'm not the one throwing my toys out of the pram, maybe you should check yourself?
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You're just never wrong Citizen. You've got a response for everything.
Quote:Really got any more personal insults for me dreamtrove.
You remind me of me when I was 16.
Quote:Sometimes I prefer a bit of humour to just saying no, but I suspect you didn't actually mean that.
Pretty funny though.
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I'd respond, but I honestly didn't get the dreamtrove reference or throwing toys out of a pram. Not sure what a pram is. It's hard enough keeping up with American slang at 27. Wanna explain that to me like I'm 2 years old?
And yeah... I meant it. I think your posts are pretty funny. Even if I think you don't know what you're talking about sometimes, you still make it entertaining. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:The Dreamtrove refrence was because the poster Dreamtrove used to say "you remind me when I was a stupid kid" whenever his argument fell apart.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'd respond, but I honestly didn't get the dreamtrove reference or throwing toys out of a pram. Not sure what a pram is. It's hard enough keeping up with American slang at 27. Wanna explain that to me like I'm 2 years old?
A pram is something you push a baby around in, throwing toys out of it tends to happen when you can't get your own way.
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Ahhhhh. We call that a stroller here. Man, those were the days. I don't remember but I'm sure I threw a ton of shit outta my pram.
Soon the kids won't be able to throw things out of their prams because the built in cameras will catch em and rat em out. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Surviellance of preschoolers isn't a great concern, better to put subliminal messages in Barney, get 'em on side while they're young.
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The surviellence of preschoolers isn't as critical as providing a world where the preschooler knows and accepts that they're always being watched as they grow into adulthood and ask no questions when their own children's every move is being monitored.
I think the Teletubbies got Barney beat on the subliminal message thing. Probably some new shows I don't even know that push that envelope even further. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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I'd prefer to see a Libertarian in office, or even an Independent, though I know that will never happen with the current state of leftist/rightist extremism we have in this country.
If I had to see a Dem in office though, I'd like to see Rudy Giuliani, and all of those others can, in my opinion, go to Hell. My biggest fear with a Dem in the hot seat now that they own the House and Senate, is having anti-gun lobyists in every position of power. We'll have another assault-weapon ban on our hands like we did with Clinton 1.0 and they will push it handguns if they can.
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Originally posted by babywiththepower:
If I had to see a Dem in office though, I'd like to see Rudy Giuliani
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I believe Guliani is a Republican, although true conservative Republicans would call him a RINO. I too think he would make a great President.
It may well come down to Guiliani versus Hillary...what a bloody campaign that will be.
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As usual, you're wrong again.
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The first time that someone questioned someone's understanding of US politics and how that meant they had no right to post was you, when you said this: The next time you want to venture into talking about US politics when you know nothing about it, do us a favor and DON'T.
There's a difference in understanding US politics ( issues and candidates ) and understanding the political PROCESS ( primary / general elections ) . You admitted yourself you didn't know Edwards, and yet you keep on his jihad of yours simply because of your hatred for me. Screw the facts, you won't relent on your tirade vs me, no matter what. If I'm for something, you must be against it, huh? You are even more simple that I thought. Which is why I shouldn't waste my time with responding to your idiocy.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It may well come down to Guiliani versus Hillary...what a bloody campaign that will be.
If it came down to a race between Hillary and anyone, I see anyone winning. Not because people disagree with her politics per se (there are those that do, I'm one of them) but because this nation is not ready for a woman President. Not saying it's right, just calling it like I see it.
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Quote:*yawn* Your words speak for themselves, you can't spin your way out of it. You brought up knowledge of US politics as a factor, then denied doing so, saying it was me.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
There's a difference in understanding US politics ( issues and candidates ) and understanding the political PROCESS ( primary / general elections ) . You admitted yourself you didn't know Edwards, and yet you keep on his jihad of yours simply because of your hatred for me. Screw the facts, you won't relent on your tirade vs me, no matter what. If I'm for something, you must be against it, huh? You are even more simple that I thought. Which is why I shouldn't waste my time with responding to your idiocy.
Either this is a lie or you can't remember what you said two days ago. I used exactly the same words in response to you, there is absolutely no way you could have thought I was talking about something else. You're fairly transparent and pathetic attempt at spin has fooled only yourself.
And actually it's far from my triad, 7% has said the same things, so wrong, as usual. Also I think you'll find that it is you who started getting personal, because you're too stupid to accept that people don't have to think what you tell them too. Which is why I responded, actually. You gave a quote, which I read, and then started off on a rant about how it was saying things it very obviously wasn't, because you had evaluated the sentence based on who was saying it, not what was being said. There's no need to know Edwards to see what you did with the quote, the fact you think there is just proves eloquently what I've been saying. You then threw a temper tantrum, because no one could ever argue against you because they think you are wrong, could they.
I get it already, I got it a long time ago, in your mind you are actually incapable of being wrong, so everyone must, deep down, recognise that you are right and only ever disagree for some nefarious purpose. I have little time for your ignorance, idiocy and unconscionable arrogance.
Perhaps not replying to me would help you out, after all every time you do you end up looking like a tit.
As I said, it's your choice, and you've made it.
Quote:Would 'that' be the definition of irony?
You are even more simple that I thought.
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Perhaps not replying to me would help you out, after all every time you do you end up looking like a tit.
You'd like for me to not reply , because every time I do, I annihilate you and your warped logic. Fact is, you have to spin and lie in order to deflect attention away from the issues, all while you add in an ample supply of petty ad hominems, just to make yourself feel better.
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Baby.....Hillary will be a formidable candidate for sure. She has an incredible national organization, huge war chest with abilitly to raise whatever money she needs, and the ex-Clintonista team of Carville, Begalia, etc etc.
As far as America being ready or not being ready for a lady President I believe we are, but it may be a moot point. There are more potential female voters than males, and the sheer numbers she could possibly turn out might whip any man.
Also..America has matured "a bit" in 230 years in terms of sexism as evidenced by :
Pelosi...first lady Speaker of the House
Albright..first lady Secretary of State
Reno ....first lady Attorney General
Ferraro...first lady Vice-Presidentai candidate
Rice...first lady National Security Advisor...
and more and more we see females rising to the top CEO positions of Fortune 500 companies in the business world.
I would vote for a woman for President if I felt she could do the job, and had a track record of consistency of voting positions.
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Quote:Well since that fits your mo far better than mine I'm perfectly happy to merely laugh at your desperate straw grabbing. You're just boring me now AURaptor, I have no time for your idiotic inabillity to accept reality.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You'd like for me to not reply , because every time I do, I annihilate you and your warped logic. Fact is, you have to spin and lie in order to deflect attention away from the issues, all while you add in an ample supply of petty ad hominems, just to make yourself feel better.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Perhaps not replying to me would help you out, after all every time you do you end up looking like a tit.
Huh huh huh... he said tit Beavis... huh huh huh. Tit!
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