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John Edwards announces his run for Office
POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Monday, January 8, 2007 01:17
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Monday, January 1, 2007 11:25 PM
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You gotta love the logic. No research is being done in ESC because there's no money for research so no breakthroughs have been made. No Breakthroughs have been made which proves we are right not to fund ESC. Wow. Just wow.
Just wow indeed. You seem to think that because the Gov't isn't putting forth any NEW $$ for research in ESCs, there isn't ANY $$?? What a load of crap. There's absolutely nothing keeping the private sector from sinking it's research $$ into ESC, unless, that is...there's little/ no chance of any return. You also falsly presume that $$ = breakthroughs. Sure, just throw enough $$ at something, and eventually it will yield results. Sorry, that ain't how real life works.
Quote:Edwards knew damn well that nothing would come of ESC research. That's why it's called PANDERING. He was playing up to the emotions of those who adore a well known celeb, which is why he said Reeves would stand up and walk out of THAT chair. More traveling snake oil showmanship on Edward's part.
You're pissed off because Christopher Reeves died AFTER the comments? I can see that. This Edwards fella was obviously a heartless bastard for not checking what was about to happen in the future with his Crystal Ball
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Welcome to politics. Every politician does this, I believe the partisan trick is too only recognise it when it's coming from the other side. I've seen far far far worse than this coming from Bush.
You've never seen anything nearly this bad, or you'd have offered it up as evidence. Fact is, I've never seen anything so blatently low and heartless as what Edwards has done, certainly not at the national level. It's one thing to offer such empty promises , as Ted Kennedy has done w/ raising the minimum wage " higher, and higher, and higher , and HIGHER!!! ". But to purposely dupe those w/ spinal cord injuries, MS, and other maladies a cure will be found, as Edwards has done, just as soon as he gets elected.... it's unconscionable.
Bush never did stoop to anything so low, nor have I seen any other candidate do that. So far, Edwards takes the cake.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Monday, January 1, 2007 11:39 PM
Quote:Except of course some of us live in the real world. Early research is low return, and rarely privately funded. It's not until it's proven that private companies step in, this is a trend repeated verbatim, surprising you haven't noticed this, since I'm sure you've done your homework...
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just wow indeed. You seem to think that because the Gov't isn't putting forth any NEW $$ for research in ESCs, there isn't ANY $$?? What a load of crap. There's absolutely nothing keeping the private sector from sinking it's research $$ into ESC, unless, that is...there's little/ no chance of any return.
Quote:No, I live in the real world where I realise that if money is not made available for research research isn't done, and if research isn't done breakthroughs can't occur. It is you who seems to be under the moronic assumption that something must have a breakthrough before we research it.
You also falsly presume that $$ = breakthroughs. Sure, just throw enough $$ at something, and eventually it will yield results. Sorry, that ain't how real life works.
Quote:You said he was sleazy because he talked about Christopher Reeve who then died. Further more your twisting of the statement in question has little to do with the direct meaning.
Edwards knew damn well that nothing would come of ESC research. That's why it's called PANDERING. He was playing up to the emotions of those who adore a well known celeb, which is why he said Reeves would stand up and walk out of THAT chair. More traveling snake oil showmanship on Edward's part.
Quote:I bow to your superior knowledge of my Visual/Auditory system.
You've never seen anything nearly this bad, or you'd have offered it up as evidence. Fact is, I've never seen anything so blatently low and heartless as what Edwards has done, certainly not at the national level.
Quote:Except the only person reading into that statement that sentiment is the person who wants to read that sentiment.
But to purposely dupe those w/ spinal cord injuries, MS, and other maladies a cure will be found, as Edwards has done, just as soon as he gets elected.... it's unconscionable.
Quote:Dear I could bring up page upon page of them, but all that would happen is you blathering about how Bush is great and anyone who disagrees is evil and a terrorist. Have WMDs been found in Iraq? But but but but but but but... same shit different day.
Bush never did stoop to anything so low, nor have I seen any other candidate do that. So far, Edwards takes the cake.
Apparently giving hope to those suffering spinal injuries is "unconscionable" but sending thousands to death in a war whose reasons are proven false is a good thing.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 2:53 AM
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No, I live in the real world where I realise that if money is not made available for research research isn't done, and if research isn't done breakthroughs can't occur. It is you who seems to be under the moronic assumption that something must have a breakthrough before we research it.
Money is not 'made available'?? WTF nonsense is that ? If the private sector, you know, those evil pharmaceutical / biogenetic companies thought there could possibly be any future returns from this field, they'd sink the $$ into themselves. Ever heard of 'venture capital' ?? I guess not so much w/ a heavily socialist state that you live in. That's all I'm saying. And Bush hasn't even outlawed research on existing lines that the Gov't has itself.
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Dear I could bring up page upon page of them, but all that would happen is you blathering about how Bush is great and anyone who disagrees is evil and a terrorist. Have WMDs been found in Iraq? But but but but but but but... same shit different day.
Apparently giving hope to those suffering spinal injuries is "unconscionable" but sending thousands to death in a war whose reasons are proven false is a good thing.
What's with this 'dear' crap? Are you sly ? I knew you were British, but I didn't want to know any more than that. If you could present 'page upon page' of similar promises made by Bush, you would. That you don't means to me that you can't, because there are none. This main issue has nothing at all to do w/ Bush, despite your fixation with him( or with hating him ).Fact is, I make a valid comment about Edwards, you can't stand it ( or defend it ) so instead, you try to make this having something to do w/ Bush.
Giving FALSE hope to those in need IS unconscionable. The reasons for action in Iraq weren't proven false, but I frankly don't give a damn what you think about that issue any way. It's irrelevent to Edwards wanting to play Faith Healer with American tax payer's $$ and hoping to get elected.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 3:17 AM
"If the private sector, you know, those evil pharmaceutical / biogenetic companies thought there could possibly be any future returns from this field, they'd sink the $$ into themselves."
Have you never heard of "orphan diseases"? They are real diseases, in need of real cures, which don't affect enough people who are rich enough that they might make enough profit for private industry to pursue. Hence, they are orphaned.
Private industry would rather pursue medicines needing life-long dosing of people in the first world. So sleeping sickness isn't researched, but elevated HDL cholesterol is.
The pharmaceutical industry isn't in the business to cure people, it's to make as much $$$ as quickly as possible.
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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 5:25 AM
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Originally posted by rue:
"If the private sector, you know, those evil pharmaceutical / biogenetic companies thought there could possibly be any future returns from this field, they'd sink the $$ into themselves."
Have you never heard of "orphan diseases"? They are real diseases, in need of real cures, which don't affect enough people who are rich enough that they might make enough profit for private industry to pursue. Hence, they are orphaned.
Private industry would rather pursue medicines needing life-long dosing of people in the first world. So sleeping sickness isn't researched, but elevated HDL cholesterol is.
The pharmaceutical industry isn't in the business to cure people, it's to make as much $$$ as quickly as possible.
No one said life was fair or easy.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 7:09 AM
Do you even read what you write?
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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 1:50 PM
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Originally posted by rue:
Do you even read what you write?
Yep. Did you? You seem to want to so casually dismiss the advances that private industry gives to mankind, and think that the only thing which can benefit us is the Federal Imperial Gov't. The fact of the matter is, Gov't harms far more than it helps. If Gov't would only get out of the way, and let the power of individual thought and imagination go to work, we'd be living in an even better world than we have today. ( Which isn't all that bad, if you look at history ) Gov't is a necessary evil, and I'm not advocating anarchy, by any means. But please, cast off this love affair for all things bureaucratic.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 5:43 PM
I was pointing out the LACK of advances that come from leaving 'it' to industry. Orphan diseases are only one of them. Your answer to business's demonstrable failure? Well, life's not fair. So, is that why business is so GOOD for us?
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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 5:47 PM
Quote:As someone coming from such an enlightened nation people who can't afford to buy medical care are left to die on the street I'm sure you can tell me all about it. Shortly after you explain how many breakthroughs made with public money because the private sector deemed them to risky are completely useless.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ever heard of 'venture capital' ?? I guess not so much w/ a heavily socialist state that you live in.
BTW, while you're great economy is slipping my backwards socialist little nations is getting stronger everyday, I bet that eats your black little heart up eh my Capilista little friend.
Quote:Well well, hit a raw nerve did I? I don't think I've heard this level of immaturity since I left primary school. "You're a big gay lord you are! gay boy gay boy." What do you do for an encore, push little girls in the mud and pull their pig tails?
What's with this 'dear' crap? Are you sly ?
Although you are evidently homophobic enough (you know what they say about homophobes, right) to think this is an insult I am not homophobic enough to find it thus, I merely shake my head and cast my mind back to that magical day when a young lady by the name of Corrine said those words that'll stick in my mind for ever “are you up for it, I'm horny”. I really can't recommend intercourse with a member of the opposite sex (for those so inclined) enough, thoroughly enjoy it each and every time, though I get to practice somewhat less than I'd like. You should really try it sometime, losing your virginity may stop you being such an uptight arsehole all of the time, though you may be saving yourself, which is good too, just find a way of releasing that pent up aggression, take long runs, cold showers perhaps do some boxing or something.
Fact is I sometimes say dear to male children when trying to speak to them, it's actually quite acceptable over here. But then we are grown ups who can show affection to a child, or one with a childlike mind, with out instantly assuming that we are gay, or a paedophile and other nonsense rife with those whose minds find it difficult to progress beyond the onset of puberty.
Quote:Ohh goody, a national slur, I'm British so I must be gay. You're an American so you must be a beer swilling cowboy with the ignorance of a hill billy and the intelligence of a rather dim witted stuffed iguana. How very imaginative you are, did the bawys at da saloon a coma up wit dat one pardner?
I knew you were British, but I didn't want to know any more than that.
Quote:And miss the chance to watch you prove you're superior intellect and non-partisan thinking by calling me gay, not for all the Tea in China.
If you could present 'page upon page' of similar promises made by Bush, you would.
Quote:I merely used Bush as an example, besides you wouldn't read any quotes I posted, it may shut down your brain to entertain that Bush isn't the greatest man who ever lived. And to be honest where do I start?
That you don't means to me that you can't, because there are none. This main issue has nothing at all to do w/ Bush, despite your fixation with him( or with hating him ).
Besides if I were to post quotes it would merely lead to a stalemate where you got you knickers all in a twist showing how they're really good and stuff. To be honest by stepping back and allowing you to blather on about my sexuallity the truths case is helped far more than the truth alone ever could. Bravo!
I think using Bush as a mere example (remember if you can I said all politicians did this) was quite apposite, considering your reaction.
Quote:No, I called you on twisting a quote, I don't know John Edwards from Adam, I can only guess at his political affiliation, Democrat right, you hate him vehemently so he must be a Democrat. The fact that merely mentioning Bush as an example proves
Fact is, I make a valid comment about Edwards, you can't stand it ( or defend it ) so instead, you try to make this having something to do w/ Bush.
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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 11:02 PM
Quote:Now we're getting off topic well enough. No where are folks here being left to die on the streets for not being able to afford medical care. Fact is, ANYONE can afford medicalCARE, but not everyone can keep pace w/ the rising cost of full health insurance coverage. There is a difference between the two. And exactly how is our economy 'slippiing ' ? What's your unemployment rate ? And if you're economy is getting stronger, well jolly good! Most EU countries coundn't do much worse, so doing any better is a good start!
As someone coming from such an enlightened nation people who can't afford to buy medical care are left to die on the street I'm sure you can tell me all about it. Shortly after you explain how many breakthroughs made with public money because the private sector deemed them to risky are completely useless.
BTW, while you're great economy is slipping my backwards socialist little nations is getting stronger everyday, I bet that eats your black little heart up eh my Capilista little friend.
Sounds like you enjoyed typing your diatribe over my alleged homophobia. I'm cool w/ the sly types, btw. Folks, as they say, are still folks. Still, the whole British/ gay thing didn't start or end with me, and I just thought you'd get a kick out of it. Seems like ya did.
Back to the point, I simply suggested that it'd be nice if you could back up your claims. If for no other reason, to see what it is you think Bush, or any other politician could claim that would sink to the level of what Edwards uttered. Again, you can't, and I stand validated. No biggie.
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.... besides you wouldn't read any quotes I posted, it may shut down your brain to entertain that Bush isn't the greatest man who ever lived. And to be honest where do I start?
You could start with ONE example. Keeping things limited like that would be ever so helpful to my simple, neolithic American male brain.
And this STILL has nothing to do w/ Bush. As for Edwards, who is a Democrat, I plainly stated that, regardless of his political affiliation, I'd still have equal distain for his comments. So, you strike out on that point. Also, you didn't remotely show where I twisted any quotes, so you're left hung out to dry on THAT point as well!People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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