The Definition of Hyprocracy
POSTED BY: Redlava
UPDATED: Sunday, December 31, 2006 14:57
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if i could just add a few things guys..
this game sounds like agenda driven propoganda, and the so-called "tribulation force" and theology underlying the Left Behind series is an engineered dillusion; ill skip the obvious angle about the contradiction to the 6th commandment which is "thou shalt not murder"..
there will be no rapture.. the concept is biblically unfounded, and historically will prove only to have conditioned todays apostate(wordly/estranged) church into supporting the establishment of this new order of the ages, luciferian global government.
Jesus makes the point very clear, that people will say 'here is the christ! or the christ has come' but do not believe them, for his coming will be seen the world over, since he will redeem the planet from this cycle of death and decay in its fallen state, thereby transforming us aswell.
the way i see it, there is only one way you can interpret end times prophecy, and something as significant as the rapture/7yrs theory deserves to be called what it is in light of the evidence: an occultic perversion masquarading as truth. the game in this case only appeals to those who are already deceived and are being drawn further from the word of God
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That’s a religious argument that some people may not share, but regardless of the religious arguments in favor of or against Dispensationalist Christian Theology, the Left Behind books are works of fiction. Right now, I can’t really see how this particular games varies significantly from a game like Doom in regards to violence. However, because it uses references to an existing religion, I could see how some adherents of that religion might feel some personal association, which may lead them to feel negatively about the game. I personally, don’t have a problem with it, because I view it as fiction, but many of my friends object vigorously (even some Dispensationalist) to the books, and probably also to the game.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:No, I just don’t assume that something is necessarily bad because it’s Christian. But as I’ve said numerous times, someone who prefers the violence in GTA because it is indiscriminate, can’t really claim that violence is their main problem with regard to this Left-Behind game.
Originally posted by citizen:
I think its somewhat interesting that you find violence morally good as long as its Christians against non-Christians.
Quote:Mmbah-Bye.
Originally posted by citizen:
Obviously you have no interest in hearing any side but your own, since even when I set you straight you continue the same tired BS. I have no desire to continue this charade with someone who clearly only posts here because they like to see their own words, and only their own, in print.
Take your strawman elsewhere, you bore me.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by citizen:
Obviously you have no interest in hearing any side but your own, since even when I set you straight you continue the same tired BS.
Quote:Thank you for proving my point so eloquently. You really haven't listened to a word I've said, preferring to make up an argument you can tear down, obviously you lack the will or intelligence to actually listen to any one other than yourself.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
No, I just don’t assume that something is necessarily bad because it’s Christian. But as I’ve said numerous times, someone who prefers the violence in GTA because it is indiscriminate, can’t really claim that violence is their main problem with regard to this Left-Behind game.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Did anyone else catch Cartoons little bit. It's okay to kill them because they're under the influence of the Anti-Christ, that's why they're non-believers. Not real violence because they're not real people (like all non-christians eh cart), so okay to kill, kinda puts Cartoons real thoughts better than I could.
Now wait just a second. This whole thread stinks to high heaven for obvious reasons (no matter where you land on the issue, there's plenty to get mad over). But I read Cartoon's post quite carefully, and I don't see him suggesting anything like what you're accusing him of. Now, I'll make no excuses for this ridiculous game--I'm a Christian, and it baffles me as to why so many of us get wrapped up in "end times" speculation instead of emulating Jesus' example in the here-and-now. But come on: Cartoon wasn't suggesting that it's OK to kill non-Christians--he trying to defend the thing from exactly that accusation! If you're going to accuse Cartoon of such a thing, I'd like to see exactly what in his post justified that conclusion.
Also, once again: please don't lump all followers of Jesus in with this lot. Remember FremDFirma saying he'd love to burn us all at the stake for our intolerance? Now that's hypocrisy. Are there nutjob Christians? You betcha. Just like there are nutjob Muslims and Republicans and Democrats and Hindus, and Tamils and Mormons and atheists and scientists...nobody's got the corner on the nutjob market. There's plenty of that action to go around.
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Cartoon is a violent Christian fanatic. He's said before on these boards he sees no problem with treating non-christians as less than human.
You want to defend an evil little bastard like Cartoon that's your own buisness.
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Whoa! Easy! 
I'm not defending Cartoon as such--I don't have enough exposure to the guy to know what he stands for. He hasn't really made it onto my radar scope to enable me to understand where he's coming from and evaluate his ideas (unlike a number of individuals, including yourself). So please understand, I'm not defending Cartoon as a whole. What I am doing, however, is calling foul on responding to his argument with a blatant ad hominem attack. It may in fact be the case that he's a "violent Christian fanatic" and an "evil little bastard." But although we may be justified in ignoring him in virtue of that, it is not the case that we can dismiss his arguments as false in virtue of that. I dislike fanaticism in whatever form (and I think that I've stressed that on any number of occasions), but in this case I have to call "foul." With respect to the ridiculous videogame this thread is about, I think that if we are going to be fair, we'll have to admit that the objective of the game is not to slaughter non-Christians. But immediately after that we also have to be realistic and say that the admixture of evangelism with gunplay is just plain foolish. We can be reactionary and say "Conversion by the sword!" even though this is not the game-maker's intent. We could also be reactionary and say, "It's all in good fun!" even though this is clearly not very well thought-out. I just want to insure that nobody says, "I'm a persecuted minority" or "Christians are all blood-thirsty zealots." Because once we take the dialogue there, we've descended into the same sort of zealotry that we accuse the other side of (and after all, this thread is supposed to be about hypocrisy).
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I’ve read many of Cartoon’s posts and I’ve never come away with the impression that he was a “violent Christian fanatic” or an “evil little bastard.” Quit frankly, agree with him or not, he is generally a much nicer poster then Citizen. In fact, I think that kind of language being directed, unprovoked, at an individual on this board is way out of line and speaks more of Citizen’s own fanaticism and intolerance towards opinions he doesn’t agree with, then Cartoon’s perspective.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Of course you would Finn, because anyone you disagree with, you try to paint as a Nazi, like you did in the abortion thread (anyone who disagrees with you is a baby killing Nazi) the Israel thread (anyone who disagrees with you was a Jew hating Nazi) and here (anyone who disagrees with you does it only because they hate Christians). Your motivations are very clear, Cartoon is a right wing Christian fundamentalist which to you automatically makes him okay. Like Mel Gibson going on an anti-Semitic rant, it must be okay because Mel Gibson's a right-wing Christian, so it must be left wing media bias.
Continue to call me a fanatic if you want, maybe you could call me a Nazi again? I don't attack anyone who hasn't attacked me first (and believe me Cartoon attacked me first, not that you care about the reality), but for you personal attacks are the first thing you indulge in. Whatever I may be I'm no where near as bad as you have become.
Funny, you having anything to say on anyone elses behaviour or "intolerance for other opinions" really is the definition of hypocracy, bravo.
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6-string,
"I'm wondering when we're going to have a game where you play Big Brother and you go around killing anyone who refuses mandatory vaccines."
This is so unworthy of you. I can understand when people reply in kind, but initiating this kind of thing is not your usual straightforward style.
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