Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, back on-topic:
Lavrov rejected the land-for-freeze concept, and he rejected it in the UN.
The Speaker for the lower House of the Russian Parliament said that Ukraine's choices are either surrender or be destroyed.
Several comments by Russian officials (including Shoigu) hint that Odessa and Kiev are targets.
Zelensky's trip to DC was a quiet failure. His trip to Canada was an international Nazi embarassment. And on his return trip through Poland he was not met with a single Polish government official. He has turned from celebrity to pariah, bc everyone knows the "counteroffensive" ... Ukraine's last big throw... was a bust.
Kiev was presented with a lengthy list of difficult reforms on impossible deadlines by the USA govt, or face a cutoff. AHEM!
Everyone expects a Russian offensive some time soon, since the army will be entirely trained up by early next year. Before that begins, expect an intense missile, rocket, drone and artillery attack on any possible offensive or defensive sites. Ukraine might have all of the USA's ISR available, but if they can't do shit to stop the Russian advance, all the ISR in the world isn't going to help.
And, mostly, you should have seen this coming. Maybe YOU don't have a grasp on reality, but reality has a grasp on you
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Quote:Signym, you have the key attributes of both styles of Non-Internationalism, making you special:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, let's pretend that the interventionists to outright rabid neocons haven't been in control in a straight line from Bill Clinton thru Joe Biden*. Hillary Clinton? A psychopath.
Trump couldn't control them, and they've been smearing and sniping him ever since.
Oh, yeah, and let's not forget international grift and many hands dipping into slush funds (eg "rebuilding" Iraq and Afghanistan with pallets of unaudited money, selling protection to Burisma, churning the MICC complex etc).
USA foreign policy isn't "complicated". It's a clusterfuck of psychopathy, delusion, corruption, greed, treason, and arrogance.
Key attributes of Non-Internationalist Retractors:
• Are deeply cynical about values and norms and seek and are prone to conspiracy theories and suspect the role of the “deep state” in manipulating U.S. policy
• Are critical of alliances and disdainful of U.S. allies, particularly in Europe, and believe efforts to cooperate through international institutions are naive and self-defeating
• Seek to “make deals” with autocratic regimes and are dismissive of democratic values and international norms
• Emphasize economic protectionism and closed borders to prevent others from “ripping America off”
• Believe the United States is militarily overcommitted but support occasional limited military actions to “act tough” and demonstrate U.S. prowess
Key attributes of Non-Internationalist Restrainers:
• Are distrustful of U.S. power and influence in the international system and believe that the United States has no standing to promote democratic values or a rules-based order, given its own flawed democracy, hypocrisy, and imperialism
• Believe the United States has picked unnecessary fights with adversaries and that its overseas military posture, alliances, and sanctions policies are often overly provocative
• Are wary of “inflating” threats posed by China and Russia and favor diplomatic efforts to cooperate with adversaries and reach a mutual accommodation and view a nationalistic foreign policy as arrogant and distasteful
• Seek to reduce the U.S. military presence overseas and to scale back commitments to NATO and other alliances and vigorously oppose the use of force
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Quote:Once again, your reading comprehension is abysmal.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, let's pretend that the interventionists to outright rabid neocons haven't been in control in a straight line from Bill Clinton thru Joe Biden*. Hillary Clinton? A psychopath.
Trump couldn't control them, and they've been smearing and sniping him ever since.
Oh, yeah, and let's not forget international grift and many hands dipping into slush funds (eg "rebuilding" Iraq and Afghanistan with pallets of unaudited money, selling protection to Burisma, churning the MICC complex etc).
USA foreign policy isn't "complicated". It's a clusterfuck of psychopathy, delusion, corruption, greed, treason, and arrogance.
SCEOND: Signym, you have the key attributes of both styles of Non-Internationalism, making you special:
Quote:Like this hasn't been happening for 40+ years!
Key attributes of Non-Internationalist Retractors:
• Are deeply cynical about values and norms and seek and are prone to conspiracy theories and suspect the role of the “deep state” in manipulating U.S. policy
Quote:NOT AT ALL. If I were "critical" of efforts to cooperate through negotiation, I wouldn't be saddened by our failure to stick with most of the nuclear treaties we had set up. And I have respect for true alliances, just not the kind of satrapy of client states that NATO represents, or western-dominated "international institutions" like the ICC and the IMF and World Bank. If "international institutions" could ever become democratic (i.e. represent the interest of all nations by finding an "intersecting set" of principles) I might suport them. However, like all institutions, they can be dominated by a powerful elite. I think "multipolar" is an attempt to correct that.
• Are critical of alliances and disdainful of U.S. allies, particularly in Europe, and believe efforts to cooperate through international institutions are naive and self-defeating
Quote:"International norms" seems to be the right of the USA to regime-change or destroy any nation it doesn't like, and the inability of any other nation or group of nations to do jack shit about it. When we've "intervened" on an average of nine times a year for the past 30 years, that's an "international norm" we could do without.
• Seek to “make deals” with autocratic regimes and are dismissive of democratic values and international norms
Quote:The people "ripping off" America are often the American elite. But, yes, closed borders and tariffs were the norm for 200 years and what made America great. Close the borders and the USA might become more self-sufficient, and we would have to solve our own economic and financial dysfunctions without resorting to ripping off the rest of the world.
• Emphasize economic protectionism and closed borders to prevent others from “ripping America off”
Quote:"Occasional"????
• Believe the United States is militarily overcommitted but support occasional limited military actions to “act tough” and demonstrate U.S. prowess
"Demonstrate prowess"???
You mean, bully and terrorize the rest of the world, don't you?
Quote:True. That's ONE you got right. Except, I don't believe that we have the right to impose our values, no matter HOW "perfect" we've been.
Key attributes of Non-Internationalist Restrainers:
• Are distrustful of U.S. power and influence in the international system and believe that the United States has no standing to promote democratic values or a rules-based order, given its own flawed democracy, hypocrisy, and imperialism
Quote:How abou
• Believe the United States has picked unnecessary fights with adversaries and that its overseas military posture, alliances, and sanctions policies are often overly provocative
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Russian air defences have shot down one of the country’s most advanced fighter jets in a friendly fire incident, according to reports.
The Russian Su-35 was downed over Tokmak, Zaporizhzhia Oblast, on Thursday where Ukraine is mounting its counter-offensive.
A Russian Telegram channel with close links to the country’s air force appeared to confirm the incident on Friday when it paid tribute to the pilot, who did not survive.
Footage showing a fireball falling out of the sky began circulating on Friday.
Western analysts have said that Russia’s air force has an unusual toll of self-inflicted losses.
They believe that it is the result of a push to complete training quickly, the pressure of combat and a lack of experienced pilots.
Russia has lost four Su-35 jets since Vladimir Putin’s forces invaded Ukraine in February last year, according to the Dutch open-source intelligence outlet Oryx.
Russia has also experienced self-inflicted losses on the ground.
Earlier this month, more than 60 Russian soldiers were thought to have been killed or wounded by friendly fire as they made a hasty retreat from the village of Opytne, in the Donetsk region.
The chaotic withdrawal was mistaken for a rapid Ukrainian advance across an open field by a Russian drone operator, who ordered an artillery strike.
Much more at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/29/ukraine-russia-war-l
ive-zelensky-putin-meets-troshev-latest/
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Quote:I guess you didn't notice that no American soldiers have died overseas since 2021. The US isn't actually "intervening" if no American soldier died.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:"International norms" seems to be the right of the USA to regime-change or destroy any nation it doesn't like, and the inability of any other nation or group of nations to do jack shit about it. When we've "intervened" on an average of nine times a year for the past 30 years, that's an "international norm" we could do without.
• Seek to “make deals” with autocratic regimes and are dismissive of democratic values and international norms
It is pretty hard to fight the "enemy" when there is no combat to point to that Americans are involved in. There are no American soldiers fighting in Ukraine, for example.
How many Americans died in combat in 2022? Zero. 2023? Zero. The last one to die listed at The Fallen was Air Force Lt. Col. James C. Willis, Died June 26, 2021 Serving During Operation Inherent Resolve, 55, of Albuquerque, New Mexico, was found dead at 7:30 a.m. June 26 at Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar, according to a U.S. Air Forces Central news release. The noncombat-related incident is under investigation.
https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/air-force-lt-col-james-c-willis/65
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Before this last death? There was Army Staff Sgt. Casey J. Hart
Died June 8, 2021 Serving During Operation Inherent Resolve, 42, of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, died June 8, 2021, at Walter Reed Medical Center in Maryland after suffering a medical emergency May 9 at Al-Tanf Garrison in Syria. Hart was assigned to the 256th Infantry Brigade Combat Team out of Lafayette. He also worked as a patrol officer for the Baton Rouge Police Department.
https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/army-staff-sgt-casey-j-hart/656883
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Another ally appeared to turn its back on Moscow on Thursday when Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev said his country would not help Russia circumvent Western sanctions imposed over the war in Ukraine.
"Kazakhstan has unambiguously stated that it will follow the sanctions regime," Tokayev said.
Kazakhstan, which shares a 7,644-kilometre (4,750 mile) border with Russia, is a former Soviet state in Central Asia and Moscow's nominal ally in the Russian-led Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO).
https://www.newsweek.com/kazakhstan-russia-neighbor-sanctions-ukraine-
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Quote:Wrong. But it in any case, that's only a 2-year span. Not stellar example!
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:"International norms" seems to be the right of the USA to regime-change or destroy any nation it doesn't like, and the inability of any other nation or group of nations to do jack shit about it. When we've "intervened" on an average of nine times a year for the past 30 years, that's an "international norm" we could do without.
• Seek to “make deals” with autocratic regimes and are dismissive of democratic values and international norms
SECOND::I guess you didn't notice that no American soldiers have died overseas since 2021.
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The US isn't actually "intervening" if no American soldier died.
Once again, wrong. Military "trainers", "advisors", "intelligence" etc are in Ukraine, and getting killed. We also run mercs and fund, train, and arm proxies. And then there are the CIA ops, the foreign militaries that we train in the USA etc.
Sanctions, and secondary sanctions. International lawfare and hypocritical application of law.
And finally there are the NGOs including NED, USAID (both funded by govt) and other "helpful" organizations like HRW to stir up grievances to oust governments we don't like. one section agdinst another.
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SECOND: It is pretty hard to fight the "enemy" when there is no combat to point to that Americans are involved in. There are no American soldiers fighting in Ukraine, for example.
Are you trying to say we're not involved in Ukraine? That we're not funding Kiev and telling it what to do? We're just innocent bystanders watching from a distance?
BWAHAHAHA!
You're an idiot, SECOND!
You're just trying to rewrite history in real-time.
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SECOND: blah blah blah and more bullshit
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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Quote:Remember this, Signym? Key attributes of Non-Internationalist Retractors:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
The US isn't actually "intervening" if no American soldier died.
Once again, wrong. Military "trainers", "advisors", "intelligence" etc are in Ukraine, and getting killed. We also run mercs and fund, train, and arm proxies. And then there are the CIA ops, the foreign militaries that we train in the USA etc.
Sanctions, and secondary sanctions. International lawfare and hypocritical application of law.
And finally there are the NGOs including NED, USAID (both funded by govt) and other "helpful" organizations like HRW to stir up grievances to oust governments we don't like. one section agdinst another.
• Are deeply cynical about values and norms and seek and are prone to conspiracy theories and suspect the role of the “deep state” in manipulating U.S. policy
Signym, you are just lying. Please spin out more conspiracies, like the one about Russians NOT murdering Russians by tens of millions because of their politics and the other conspiracy about Russia NOT torturing Ukrainians but Ukrainians torturing themselves. Signym, you have got special genes for dishonesty and lack of integrity and confusing up with down, true with false. It has gotten you into trouble in real life. Russians share those genes and that inherited character has caused them centuries of violently troubled history and economic backwardness. This time it will end very badly for Russia, like two bullets to the back of the head. Cheers!
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Remember this, Signym? Key attributes of Non-Internationalist Retractors:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
The US isn't actually "intervening" if no American soldier died.
Once again, wrong. Military "trainers", "advisors", "intelligence" etc are in Ukraine, and getting killed. We also run mercs and fund, train, and arm proxies. And then there are the CIA ops, the foreign militaries that we train in the USA etc.
Sanctions, and secondary sanctions. International lawfare and hypocritical application of law.
And finally there are the NGOs including NED, USAID (both funded by govt) and other "helpful" organizations like HRW to stir up grievances to oust governments we don't like. one section agdinst another.
• Are deeply cynical about values and norms and seek and are prone to conspiracy theories and suspect the role of the “deep state” in manipulating U.S. policy
Signym, blah blah blah...
Yeah, like we DON'T have an actual history of destabilizing governments; recruiting, funding, training and arming proxies; supporting "rebel" movements with air power, outright invasions etc?
How stupid do you think we are, SECOND?
Project Ukraine is circling the drain, and you're trying to pretend that we (USA/ NATO) didn't just go all out to destroy Russia thru our fully-funded Ukrainian proxy. And failed!
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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Quote:Yesterday I was talking to a manager about the price of R-410A. The manager smoothly lied and said the price was over $100 per pound to justify their pricing scheme for AC repair. The price is actually $400 or less for 25 pounds. It was a friendly conversation that brought up Trump, who the manager approved of. Signym, Trumptards, or those in a less virulent form who have said nice things about Trump as you have, are just natural-born crooks, liars, and thieves. You can't help being what you are, Signym.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, like we DON'T have an actual history of destabilizing governments; recruiting, funding, training and arming proxies; supporting "rebel" movements with air power, outright invasions etc?
How stupid do you think we are, SECOND?
Project Ukraine is circling the drain, and you're trying to pretend that we (USA/ NATO) didn't just go all out to destroy Russia thru our fully-funded Ukrainian proxy. And failed!
https://www.google.com/search?q=R-410A+price
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