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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 6:36 AM

as I understand it Ukraine isn't really winning, it took back lost land but its counter offensive is stalling or maybe even failing

Russia however is not comfortable and thousands are dying on both sides, the Russians recently got blitzed by a bunch of French / British missiles

the Russian military is getting hit they have lost huge ships, lost a Submarine,
a video
'Ukraine targets Crimea with missile after attack on Black Sea Fleet'



in other online videos you see brutal trench warfare like WW1

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 9:37 AM

It's true that three of Russia's ships were damaged (one, the Moskva, over a year ago) and a few IL planes were damaged or destroyed. OTOH almost all of Ukraine's air defenses are gone, their fighter jets/ bombers and are almost depleted, they have few helicopters left, and they have almost no more artillery munitions.

It seems that, according to Military Summary Channel, which creates excruciatingly detailed updates on strikes, advances, and losses on BOTH sides, that Ukraine is almost out of tanks and is fielding fewer and fewer drones (maybe they're stockpiling them for a future event) and HIMARS launchers are getting destroyed about every third or fourth day.

Ukrainians in the south are reduced to running their light infantry thru minefields, and took even bigger losses than they did when they charged with western tanks and APCs.

So, this is war. It would be a strange war if Russia took no losses at all. But Ukrainians losses are far higher.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 6:04 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Too many in Congress don't support war.


Why should they? Come up with ONE solid reason why we need to constantly be at war somewhere far away.

America is NOT at war if you look at how many Americans die in hostile action. In 2022, the number of deaths in hostile action is, wait for it, drum roll, zero. 2023 numbers are not yet posted.
https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner

There is plenty of information about the American's name, and date of death, and where.
https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/the-people-behind-the-sacrifice

It turns out that suicide and murder are the big killers in the military . . . NOT WAR.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2023/07/03/military-s
uicide-stats-released-army-saw-highest-increase-of-deaths
/

Military Deaths 2023
https://www.google.com/search?q=military+deaths+2023

Number of military fatalities in all major wars involving the United States from 1775 to 2023
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1009819/total-us-military-fataliti
es-in-american-wars-1775-present
/

(The Civil War probably killed more Americans than all other wars, combined, about 750,000, with a range from 650,000 to as many as 850,000 dead https://www.history.com/news/american-civil-war-deaths )

In stark contrast, Russia doesn't even know how many died in WWII with an accuracy of + or - 10,000,000. This is because Russians never kept count at any time in their history. Russians don't count even today.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 6:34 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Americans repeat what has been hammered into their heads by the media. Ukraine YAY!! China BOO!!! Russians = Hitler + orcs! Terrorists OMG!! "With us or against us!" BLM! REPARATIONS! LGBTQ+!

Those are words. But when it comes to AMERICAN INTERESTS, well... they have a better sense of them than you do.

Signym, you are cowardly, lazy, greedy, selfish. How do I know without having seen your life? Every word you write gives away the inner person you are. I can compare your written words to the words spoken by worthless East Texans whose lives I know in excruciating and nauseating detail and you are a perfect match with them. That is how I know you are worthless. I know much about Russians:

Russian Media Rhetoric Could Be 'Incitement to Genocide' – UN

UN investigators probing violations in Ukraine since Moscow's invasion warned on Monday that rhetoric broadcasted by Russian state media could amount to incitement to genocide.

Speaking before the UN Human Rights Council, the head of the investigation team, Erik Mose, voiced concern "about allegations of genocide in Ukraine."

"Some of the rhetoric transmitted in Russian state and other media may constitute incitement to genocide," he said, adding that the team was "continuing its investigations on such issues."

The Norwegian judge heads a three-person Commission of Inquiry, which was created by the Human Rights Council to investigate violations committed since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

In its first full report published in March, the team determined that Russian authorities had committed "a wide range of war crimes."

Mose said at the time that the commission was aware of accusations of genocide, including the forced transfer of Ukrainian children to areas under Russian control, and vowed to investigate.

In his update to the council Monday, Mose lamented a "lack of clarity and transparency on the full extent, circumstances, and categories of children transferred," and said the team was continuing to investigate.

"Whether that will also raise issues of genocide will then be clarified in the course of our investigations," he told reporters.

Brutal Torture

The March report had also determined that Moscow was behind a vast array of other war crimes, including widespread attacks on civilians and infrastructure, killings, torture and rape and other sexual violence.

Mose said on Monday that the commission, which had traveled more than 10 times to Ukraine, was now "undertaking a more in-depth investigation" that "may also clarify whether torture and attacks on energy infrastructure amount to crimes against humanity."

Among other things, he said the team was investigating the cause of the disastrous destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam in Russian-occupied Ukraine on June 6.

The team had also collected more evidence indicating the "widespread and systematic" use of torture by Russia's armed forces, commission member Pablo de Greiff told reporters.

Torture was said to be taking place mainly in detention centers controlled by Russian authorities, and was in some cases so brutal the victims died, he said.

"Not having access to places of detention under the control of the Russian Federation, it is impossible to quantify exactly the number of people that may have died as a result of this practice," he said, adding that it appeared to be "a fairly large number."

List of Perpetrators

Rape and other sexual violence was also widespread.

In the Kherson region, the commission found that "Russian soldiers raped and committed sexual violence against women of ages ranging from 19 to 83 years," Mose said.

Pointing to "the scale and gravity of violations and corresponding crimes that have been committed in Ukraine by Russian armed forces," he emphasized "the need for accountability".

The

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 7:24 PM

Blunt ultimatum from Kremlin: Ukraine will either accept Moscow's conditions or cease to exist

The Kremlin has issued a stark warning to Ukraine, stating that the country must accept Moscow's terms or risk ceasing to exist as a sovereign nation.

According to Wiadomosci, Viacheslav Volodin, the Chairman of the Russian State Duma, made this clear in his recent statements, emphasizing Russia's uncompromising stance on the ongoing conflict.

Volodin argued that Western support for Ukraine is causing economic problems in Western countries and predicted financial and demographic disasters for Ukraine if it does not comply with Russia's terms.

He cited statistics claiming that 54% of Ukraine's population has left the country since 2014, suggesting that the nation is on the brink of collapse.

The Russian State Duma Chairman did not mention any crisis in Russia but focused on painting a grim picture for Ukraine's future if it continues to resist Moscow's demands. His statements serve as a chilling reminder of Russia's willingness to escalate the conflict to achieve its objectives.

This warning comes amid ongoing hostilities in Ukraine, which began in 2014 and escalated with a full-scale invasion led by Russian President Vladimir Putin on February 24, 2022.

Despite Ukraine's valiant defense and support from Western countries, the Kremlin's latest threats indicate that Russia is not willing to back down, raising concerns about the future stability of Ukraine and the broader region.

https://www.dagens.com/news/blunt-ultimatum-from-kremlin-ukraine-will-
either-accept-moscows-conditions-or-cease-to-exist


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 9:25 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Americans repeat what has been hammered into their heads by the media. Ukraine YAY!! China BOO!!! Russians = Hitler + orcs! Terrorists OMG!! "With us or against us!" BLM! REPARATIONS! LGBTQ+!

Those are words. But when it comes to AMERICAN INTERESTS, well... they have a better sense of them than you do.

Signym, you are cowardly, lazy, greedy, selfish.



Coming from the brave man fighting the war in Ukraine from his computer in his mom's basement.

All of those adjectives best describe you.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 9:55 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Coming from the brave man fighting the war in Ukraine from his computer in his mom's basement.

All of those adjectives best describe you.

It is pretty hard to fight the "enemy" when there is no combat to point to that Americans are involved in. There are no American soldiers fighting in Ukraine, for example.

How many Americans died in combat in 2022? Zero. 2023? Zero. The last one to die listed at The Fallen was Air Force Lt. Col. James C. Willis, Died June 26, 2021 Serving During Operation Inherent Resolve, 55, of Albuquerque, New Mexico, was found dead at 7:30 a.m. June 26 at Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar, according to a U.S. Air Forces Central news release. The noncombat-related incident is under investigation.
https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/air-force-lt-col-james-c-willis/65
68839


Before this last death? There was Army Staff Sgt. Casey J. Hart
Died June 8, 2021 Serving During Operation Inherent Resolve, 42, of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, died June 8, 2021, at Walter Reed Medical Center in Maryland after suffering a medical emergency May 9 at Al-Tanf Garrison in Syria. Hart was assigned to the 256th Infantry Brigade Combat Team out of Lafayette. He also worked as a patrol officer for the Baton Rouge Police Department.
https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/army-staff-sgt-casey-j-hart/656883
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https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 9:59 PM

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SCEOND: Signym, you are cowardly, lazy, greedy, selfish.
tsk tsk ... name-calling??? I know for a fact that I'm hardworking; face up to challenges and conflicts (and criminals); generous; and take my responsibilities to my family, my country, and my country's future SERIOUSLY. And you're projecting again.

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SECOND: Too many in Congress don't support war.

SIGNY: Why should they? Come up with ONE solid reason why we need to constantly be at war somewhere far away.

SCEOND; America is NOT at war if you look at how many Americans die in hostile action. In 2022, the number of deaths in hostile action is, wait for it, drum roll, zero. 2023 numbers are not yet posted.
https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner



Americans are getting killed in Syria and Ukraine. But the ones killed, even those part of the "official" military, aren't supposed to be there, to avoid the appearance of fighting Russian directly. So even tho "secret" bases/ command centers are hit by Russian missiles/ bombs/ rockets/ shells, they will not be acknowledged officially.


And if we're NOT at "war" in so many places, either by proxy or unofficially, why is our DoD budget so huge? Let's just cut the damn thing by 90% and protect our own borders instead of sending our troops all over creation. I think, if our militay was seen a doing something ACTUALLY USEFUL for the USA, recruitment would be up.

Give me a damn good reason why we shouldn't.



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SCEOND: Signym, you are cowardly, lazy, greedy, selfish.
tsk tsk ... name-calling??? I know for a fact that I'm hardworking; face up to challenges and conflicts (and criminals); generous; and take my responsibilities to my family, my country, and my country's future SERIOUSLY. And you're projecting again.

Quote:

SECOND: Too many in Congress don't support war.

SIGNY: Why should they? Come up with ONE solid reason why we need to constantly be at war somewhere far away.

SCEOND; America is NOT at war if you look at how many Americans die in hostile action. In 2022, the number of deaths in hostile action is, wait for it, drum roll, zero. 2023 numbers are not yet posted.
https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner



Americans are getting killed in Syria and Ukraine. But the ones killed, even those part of the "official" military, aren't supposed to be there, to avoid the appearance of fighting Russian directly. So even tho "secret" bases/ command centers are hit by Russian missiles/ bombs/ rockets/ shells, they will not be acknowledged officially.


And if we're NOT at "war" in so many places, either by proxy or unofficially, why is our DoD budget so huge? Let's just cut the damn thing by 90% and protect our own borders instead of sending our troops all over creation. I think, if our militay was seen a doing something ACTUALLY USEFUL for the USA, recruitment would be up.

Give me a damn good reason why we shouldn't.


1) Signym, you absolutely have no proof backing up any of your claims about Americans (soldiers or CIA) being killed overseas, not even the claim about you being hardworking. You've got nothing.

2) You are implying that the military should be guarding the US border with Mexico and Canada. The border is already guarded, but if your goal is to kill thousands along the border then switching the responsibility to the Army and Marines will end with a massive number of dead aliens.

3) And why does Congress spend $trillions on defense? Because Congressmen want the money spent in their districts. They approve of sending ammo to Ukraine so that even more money than ever before can be spent with defense manufacturers in their home states and Congressional districts.

Apr 28, 2023
The United States spent $766 billion on national defense during fiscal year (FY) 2022 according to the Office of Management and Budget, which amounted to 12 percent of federal spending. Defense spending in 2022 was less than the average for the last decade, which was 15 percent of the budget. Such spending indicates that lawmakers have prioritized national defense as a key part of our budget; indeed, the United States spends more on defense, relative to the size of its economy, than any other member of the G7 (a group of the world’s largest advanced economies, the members of which are shown in the chart below). This explainer looks at the components of the U.S. defense budget.
https://www.pgpf.org/budget-basics/budget-explainer-national-defense

DOD Releases Report on Defense Spending by State in Fiscal Year 2021
Oct. 20, 2022 |

Today, the Department of Defense's Office of Local Defense Community Cooperation released its Fiscal Year 2021 Defense Spending by State report to help states and communities better understand the components of defense spending on procurement and personnel.

The report's graphs, maps, and tables present a range of findings, such as total spending figures, categories of contracted goods and services, major defense vendors, and numbers and types of defense personnel. This snapshot provides public and private leaders with a starting place to assess how defense investments across installations and the private sector can be optimized by supporting regional innovation, industrial capability and capacity, supply chain resilience, and cultivating a skilled workforce.

"Understanding

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THG
Tuesday, September 26, 2023 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It's true that three of Russia's ships were damaged (one, the Moskva, over a year ago) and a few IL planes were damaged or destroyed. OTOH almost all of Ukraine's air defenses are gone, their fighter jets/ bombers and are almost depleted, they have few helicopters left, and they have almost no more artillery munitions.

It seems that, according to Military Summary Channel, which creates excruciatingly detailed updates on strikes, advances, and losses on BOTH sides, that Ukraine is almost out of tanks and is fielding fewer and fewer drones (maybe they're stockpiling them for a future event) and HIMARS launchers are getting destroyed about every third or fourth day.

Ukrainians in the south are reduced to running their light infantry thru minefields, and took even bigger losses than they did when they charged with western tanks and APCs.

So, this is war. It would be a strange war if Russia took no losses at all. But Ukrainians losses are far higher.






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Russia’s Influence and a Volatile Future

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