IMF to Kiev - fight for eastern Ukraine or die
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UPDATED: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 17:17
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Quote:Oh, the paranoia! A poster simply does not have the power to erase another poster's content. It was a database fuckup, dood.
1kiki:
"He was overthrown by his people." A small minority with guns. Is that what you support?
"The ones you apparently support ..." Voted. Overwhelmingly. In large numbers. Freely and democratically. Hmmm ... how many other ways can I say that? Compared to what happened in Kiev, which happened at the point of a gun, what happened in Crimea truly was the will of the people. Why do you have a problem with that?
Let's clear that up first. Why do you support a coup by small numbers of armed extremists, but not an overwhelmingly majority vote by citizens?
Miker:
I see you erased my last post.
Quote:Oh,, you mean the war that GEORGIA started? (As determined by the EU itself? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/oct/01/russia-georgia-s
MIKER: You are not arguing with me on behalf of the Ukrainian people. You are arguing against the world and all of Russia's other neighbors who are scared to death it won't stop here. Remember Georgia?
outh-ossetia )
So many people believe in counterfactual "events"! This whole threa is about people believing things that never happened, and deny things that did happen
To be clear
Russia did NOT start the war in Georgia
Yanukovich did NOT order snipers to fire on the Maidan
The USA DID fund the coup in Ukraine, and handpicked the appointed government (Victoria Nuland's conversation on who should be in government and "fuck the EU" was recorded and broadcast for all to hear)
Russia did NOT "invade" and "occupy" eastern Ukraine. At most, they engaged in proxy war.
Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. Was it legal? Probably not. Was it the will of Crimeans? Yes, it was.
But lies live on and on. The war which the west has been stoking since 2014 is based on lies, and the west finally got its wish.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by MIKER:
Come on M52nickerson, don't repost a bunch of nonsense just answer the question.
Do you agree with the premise of the thread and blame the US, EU and NATO for the mess in the Ukraine and instigating the violence.
I did not see your question earlier, sorry.
No I do not agree that the US, EU and NATO are to blame for the problems in the Ukraine. Ultimately this is about Putin trying to avoid losing influence over Ukraine. It has been said before that Russia with Ukraine is an empire, but without it, Russia is just another country. Now Yanukovych was put in a very tough spot with the pressure put on him by Moscow not to sign the EU deal. The EU's response did not help, but ultimately his decisions lead to his downfall.
One thing that has to be understood is that the US and NATO are not going to war with Russia over Ukraine. Even if Putin send troops, other than the ones there, into other Russian speaking provinces we are not going to see a physical war. We will see hard sanctions. Many of those will hurt the EU as well because of trade ties with Russia.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
T
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They changed it Kyiv or mandeal effect that old Kiev?
' Ukraine suspends 11 political parties with links to Russia '
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/ukraine-suspends-11-poli
tical-parties-with-links-to-russia
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Another stalemate?
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Looks like KIKI and I had this pegged as a coordinated State Dept/EU regime change operation and MIKER, M52NICKERSON, KRAPO were just liberaloid retards and THUGR and JONGSSTRAW were just conservative retards.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
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Kiev threatens to take over historic monastery, steal assets and artifacts
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Orthodox monks expelled from Kyiv-Pechersk Lavra monastery refuse to leave
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/others/orthodox-monks-expelled-from-kyi
v-pechersk-lavra-monastery-refuse-to-leave/ar-AA19gWnK
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
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Joe Biden to meet Rishi Sunak and King Charles ahead of Nato summit - amid row over cluster bombs
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/biden-sunak-charles-cluster-bombs/
IMF board completes Ukraine loan review, allowing $890 million withdrawal
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/imf-board-completes-ukraine-loan-
review-allowing-890-mln-withdrawal-2023-06-29/
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A Dictator Imperialist Putin Attacked, he Invaded and Destroys Cities
but looking back, useful or not?
'How It May Have Been Possible to Avoid Ukraine Invasion?'
https://countercurrents.org/2023/07/how-it-may-have-been-possible-to-a
void-ukraine-invasion/
IMF warns global food prices could skyrocket as Putin withdraws from grain deal
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1795298/Price-grain-Russia-black-
sea-deal-Ukraine
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So back in May I asked you about Gonzalo Lira. He was the U.S. citizen arrested in Ukraine for posting dissident content online, and you told me the State Department was aware of his arrest in May. And we learned last night through a series of tweets by him that he had been tortured in the Ukrainian prison and he was now on a motorcycle with a broken rib trying to flee to the Hungarian border.
https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-august-1-202
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And so I’m wondering, if this is true, given the State Department knew of his arrest and his detention, how has this been allowed to occur? We have a U.S. citizen being – being detained and perhaps tortured in the prison of one of our strongest allies.
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