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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:58 AM
I think he does believe it.
I can't otherwise explain why he would get so strongly behind it.
What stake does any American have in this and why would they condone all of the money going overseas instead of staying right here unless they've bought wholly into Pascal's Wager?
The answer is NONE.
Just as Second was terrified of Covid, he's 100% certain that the only thing keeping us from Nuclear Armageddon is the cannon fodder called the Ukranian People that are being sent to die by NATO and the US.
Second is a static character. He will never change. He will never ask questions. He's hardly human anymore. He's just part of The Message now.
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Saturday, November 19, 2022 4:04 AM
Quote:You dont REALLY believe the shit you post, do you?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Do you really not understand when Russians talk on TV about "liquidating" Ukrainians? Do you not understand a terror campaign at the level of the Bolshevik Revolution? Rosalia Zemlyachka, aka The Demon, remains the darling of Russian President Vladimir Putin, a superstar at KGB headquarters, and the poster ghoul for what Russia is capable of doing: “We need pitiless, unceasing struggle against the snakes who are hiding in secret,” Rosalia Zemlyachka told the Sebastopol newspaper Vremya. “We must annihilate them, sweep them out with an iron broom, a sea of blood, everywhere.”
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It had no meaning to chop off.
All you post is bullshit.
You are a complete waste of time.
Witnessing Zemlyachka’s carnage first-hand, Russian opposition leader Sergei Melgunov said the lampposts of Crimea’s largest city are “richly garnished with wind-swayed corpses” of Ukrainians. In the nearby beach resort of Feodosia, Melgunov and other officials said they observed Zemlyachka commandeer the city’s wells as burial pits. When the shafts were clogged with tortured soldiers and Ukrainian civilians, Melgunov added, she strapped her victims to planks, either roasting them alive in furnaces or drowning them in barges in the Black Sea.
“It’s a pity to waste cartridges on them,” Zemlyachka said. The Kremlin’s chief executioner in Crimea was not modest about having slaughtered some 70,000 of her neighbors in Ukraine.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-battle-over-crimea-could-trigger-put
ins-deadliest-rampage-in-ukraine-yet
Rosalia Zemlyachka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalia_Zemlyachka
You can download the book by Donald Rayfield, Stalin and His Hangmen: The Tyrant and Those Who Killed for Him. New York: Random House, 2004 from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.page/search.php?req=Donald+Rayfield
The book explains why so many Ukrainians in 2022 get killed when imprisoned by Russians:Quote:The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
In December 1938 the GULAG population passed the million mark, and there were nearly as many in the prisons and other labor colonies. In 1938 mortality in the GULAG — overcrowded, chaotic, run by inexperienced and frightened administrators — soared to 90,000 or 10 percent of the inmates. Even so, the camps could not keep up with the mass arrests; those detained in grotesquely overcrowded prisons often died of typhus, dysentery, heat, malnutrition, or torture before they could be executed.
Stalin and Ezhov, therefore, decided that the percentage of “enemies” sentenced to death rather than forced labor must rise from 0.5 to 47 percent. In 1937 and 1938 the NKVD’s own records show that 1,444,923 persons were “convicted” of counterrevolutionary crimes, and of these 681,692 were shot. The flow to the camps was halved, but processing so many prisoners — who had to be beaten into incriminating others and thus provide further fodder for the NKVD — was still unmanageable. The NKVD ran out of paper to record sentences and executions.
Are we gonna read next about tiny preemies ripped from their inubators, dying on the cold, hard floor? Babies roasted on a spit? Russians cleaning fish in toilets bc they've never seen one before?
We've heard all the lies already, sweetcheeks.
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The history scholars who wrote the books would not ruin their own reputations by lying about the Russians, but the reputation of Russians would be ruined unless the Russians lie about what Russians did. Therefore, Russians lie constantly to protect themselves, but that doesn't convince Ukrainians that the Russians are right and history is wrong. One example for Signym:
Why does Russia still deny
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Saturday, November 19, 2022 4:43 AM
Quote:Pure bullshit
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It had no meaning to chop off.
All you post is bullshit.
You are a complete waste of time.
SECOND: Do you really not understand when Russians talk on TV about "liquidating" Ukrainians? Do you not understand a terror campaign at the level of the Bolshevik Revolution? Rosalia Zemlyachka, aka The Demon, remains the darling of Russian President Vladimir Putin, a superstar at KGB headquarters, and the poster ghoul for what Russia is capable of doing: “We need pitiless, unceasing struggle against the snakes who are hiding in secret,” Rosalia Zemlyachka told the Sebastopol newspaper Vremya. “We must annihilate them, sweep them out with an iron broom, a sea of blood, everywhere.”
Witnessing Zemlyachka’s carnage first-hand, Russian opposition leader Sergei Melgunov said the lampposts of Crimea’s largest city are “richly garnished with wind-swayed corpses” of Ukrainians.
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SECOND blah blah blah...
SIGNY: You dont REALLY believe the shit you post, do you?
Are we gonna read next about tiny preemies ripped from their inubators, dying on the cold, hard floor? Babies roasted on a spit? Russians cleaning fish in toilets bc they've never seen one before?
We've heard all the lies already, sweetcheeks.
SECOND: The history scholars who wrote the books would not ruin their own reputations by lying about the Russians,
Of course they would! How else would mainstream historians get grants and get popular? They lie about the USA all the time!
Have you ever read "A People's History of the United States?" by Zinn? I guarantee it's not like any history you've read, but it's all true.
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SECOND: Putin’s Ukraine genocide is rooted in Russian impunity for Soviet crimes
More bullshit.
My god, your brain is a mess, isn't it? Fact, fiction, lies, current events, real history,fake history... it's all just a big stew in there, isn't it?
You're really not worth my time.
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Saturday, November 19, 2022 7:06 AM
Colonel Douglas Macgegor:The calm before the storm
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Saturday, November 19, 2022 7:39 AM
What an unflattering thumbnail he chose for that video. It looks like he's got the Pfizer Smile.
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Saturday, November 19, 2022 6:26 PM
Quote:Signym, you are a practitioner of "Whataboutism" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Pure bullshit
SIGNY: You dont REALLY believe the shit you post, do you?
Are we gonna read next about tiny preemies ripped from their inubators, dying on the cold, hard floor? Babies roasted on a spit? Russians cleaning fish in toilets bc they've never seen one before?
We've heard all the lies already, sweetcheeks.
Of course they would! How else would mainstream historians get grants and get popular? They lie about the USA all the time!
Have you ever read "A People's History of the United States?" by Zinn? I guarantee it's not like any history you've read, but it's all true.
More bullshit.
My god, your brain is a mess, isn't it? Fact, fiction, lies, current events, real history,fake history... it's all just a big stew in there, isn't it?
You're really not worth my time.
And I have read Howard Zinn. For anyone who has not, there is 1) a book and 2) a movie.
1) Download a free copy of Howard Zinn’s “A People's History of the United States” at https://libgen.unblockit.page/search.php?req=A+People's+History+of
+the+United+States
2) Howard Zinn: A People's History of the United States (2016)
Plot summary
With the tremendous success of his book, A People's History of the United States, Howard Zinn radically changed the way Americans see themselves. His friend Noam Chomsky says that Zinn literally transformed a generation's conscience. Zinn talks about those who have no voice in the official History: Slaves, Indians, deserters, textile workers, and union men. On two occasions in Paris and Boston, we were lucky enough to meet and film him. Towards the end of his life, Howard Zinn said, "I want to be remembered as someone who enabled people to experience hope and power something they never did before." That is exactly the reason why we want to make this film.
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Saturday, November 19, 2022 6:38 PM
Quote:Macgregor has an inglorious history.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Colonel Douglas Macgregor: The calm before the storm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor
A sample: In 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and was engaged in a conflict with Ukraine over its eastern parts, Macgregor appeared on Russian state-owned network RT where he called for the annexation of the Donbas and said residents of the region "are in fact Russians, not Ukrainians, and at the same time, you have Ukrainians in the west and in the north, who are not Russians."
After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Macgregor appeared on three Fox News programs to speak in support of Russia's actions. Russian state television broadcast excerpts of Macgregor's appearances, which included a characterization of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a "puppet," that Russian forces had been "too gentle" in the early days of the invasion and that Russian president Vladimir Putin was being "demonized" by the United States and NATO. Macgregor said he believed Russia should be allowed to seize whatever parts of Ukraine it wanted.
Here is someone with a history of accomplishment, unlike Macgregor:
Russian chess legend says war in Ukraine is a 'battle between freedom and tyranny' by Alexander Nazaryan
NEW YORK — Chess is a cerebral game, but legendary Soviet grandmaster Garry Kasparov could make it seem like a contact sport. When he was at the height of his powers in the mid-1980s, he approached the chessboard with the buzzing physical intensity of a wrestler consigned to the wrong contest.
Today, his relentless energies are directed entirely against Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom Kasparov approaches with the same singular focus he once reserved for his Soviet nemesis, Anatoly Karpov — who, as it happens, now serves as a pro-Putin parliamentarian. But if the Kremlin autocrat disgusts him, nothing enrages Kasparov like Western hand-wringing over how much to help Ukraine, and for how long.
“Putin is attacking not just Ukraine. He is attacking the entire system of international cooperation,” Kasparov told Yahoo News in a recent interview. “Ukraine is on the frontline of this battle between freedom and tyranny.”
Last week’s congressional elections in the U.S. could complicate Ukrainian aid, especially if Republican skepticism hardens into outright resistance. Speaking at a press conference last week, President Biden expressed hope that aid to Ukraine would continue — but also bristled at charges that he’d given Ukraine too much.
“We’ve not given Ukraine a blank check,” the president told reporters, alluding to a complaint about the extent of Ukraine-focused spending made by Rep. Kevin McCarthy, who will assume the role of House speaker in January. “There’s a lot of things that Ukraine wants that we didn’t do.”
That is precisely the kind of talk that frustrates Kasparov. He praises Biden’s support of the Ukrainian effort, which has been consistently supplemented by European allies, but can’t imagine its scope being scaled back. “It was much less than Ukraine needed and wanted, but much more than Putin expected.”
The war in Ukraine is closer to poker than chess, a contest of stare-downs and bluffs. On the chessboard, an opponent has nowhere to hide his pieces, but poker is by its nature a game of incomplete information, of trying to guess and then being forced to act on those guesses.
Is one of the cards Putin is holding a nuclear strike? How long can an energy-starved Europe last before folding? How long will American aid last?
Kasparov does not ignore those very real considerations, but he also refuses to become paralyzed by the infinite varieties of geopolitical speculation. For him, the war retains an unignorable moral clarity. “I believe Ukraine can and will win,” he says. “I think it’s inevitable. It’s a matter of the cost. And every day of delay, of giving Ukraine what it needs to win, simply is pushing this cost up
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Sunday, November 20, 2022 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, you are a practitioner of "Whataboutism"
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Pure bullshit
SIGNY: You dont REALLY believe the shit you post, do you?
Are we gonna read next about tiny preemies ripped from their inubators, dying on the cold, hard floor? Babies roasted on a spit? Russians cleaning fish in toilets bc they've never seen one before?
We've heard all the lies already, sweetcheeks.
Of course they would! How else would mainstream historians get grants and get popular? They lie about the USA all the time!
Have you ever read "A People's History of the United States?" by Zinn? I guarantee it's not like any history you've read, but it's all true.
More bullshit.
My god, your brain is a mess, isn't it? Fact, fiction, lies, current events, real history,fake history... it's all just a big stew in there, isn't it?
You're really not worth my time.
That's a lie.
I'm calling you a pathological liar who can no longer distinguish lies from reality.
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SECOND: And I have read Howard Zinn.
Another lie.
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Sunday, November 20, 2022 5:33 AM
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Ukraine Rejects Alleged Offer Of "Short Truce" By Russia
Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 - 02:00 PM
It was revealed Friday by the Ukrainian side that the Kremlin has offered Kiev the possibility of reaching an agreement to implement a "short truce". It comes as there are more and more signals from Washington that it's ready to see both sides come to the table for some kind of ceasefire agreement.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that Russian officials had attempted the overture, but he rejected the possibility, at a moment the Ukrainian counteroffensive has made recent gains, especially the retaking of Kherson city and many surrounding villages.
"Russia is now looking for a short truce, a respite to regain strength. Someone may call this the war's end, but such a respite will only worsen the situation," the Ukrainian leader said in a virtual address before the Halifax International Security Forum.
Zelensky then reiterated his hardened resolve to not consider the possibility of talks until Russian forces are defeated. "A truly real, long-lasting and honest peace can only be the result of the complete demolition of Russian aggression," Zelensky said.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-rejects-alleged-offer-s
hort-truce-russia
OMFG, Zelenskiy is a coke head nutcase.
It seems since "Z" rejected negotiations, Russia has gone back to bombing the snot out of western Ukraine. With those missiles they "ran out of".
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Sunday, November 20, 2022 6:12 AM
Zelenisky is a crack head child rapist that partied with Hunter Biden and gave him a $60k per month gig after Obama and Biden overthrew the Ukranian government in 2014 and gave the job of "President" to Zelensky.
He's one of the few people running countries in the world who are less legitimate than Joe Biden* is.
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