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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Tuesday, November 22, 2022 5:43 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THGR, would it be possible to stop posting such mindless rah-rah-ism?

I'm embarrassed for you, and I don't even like you.

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Signym, what are your sophisticated feelings about bombing civilians? Is it criminal? Or does it receive your "mindless rah-rah-ism" approval? Or do you bring forth whataboutism from your rhetorical toolkit? (Cue the WW2 references.)

Russian TV Host Slammed by Pundit: 'It's Criminal To Bomb Peaceful Cities'

In a rare moment of dissent on Russian television, host Vladimir Solovyov's threats to destroy Kyiv and wipe Kharkiv "off the face of the Earth" in response to Ukrainian shelling were met with condemnation by one of his guests on Russia-1.

Yaakov Kedmi calls the host's ideas to bomb Ukrainian cities into submissions "obscene."

"It's obscene, it's not constructive, it's criminal to bomb peaceful cities. These words, 'To wipe Kyiv and Kharkiv off the face of the Earth,' they should not be uttered, especially in Russia," Kedmi said.

"There were no wars in history, where the bombing of a peaceful city, of a civilian population, ever led to some kind of results on the battlefield. Would they be deterred by that? When did it ever happen? It didn't happen in any war," he concluded.

Solovyov, who had been listening quietly, didn't appear upset by Kedmi's comment, quickly saying: "Fine, then we'll keep responding on the level of a girl in the 5th grade, who's crying that our peaceful cities are being bombed."

"I didn't say that," Kedmi said, "but that's the other option. [...] It's not an option to bomb a peaceful city and its population. [...] There are 1,001 ways to fight without touching civilians."

Solovyov, who had until then tried to defend his position saying they would first warn civilians before bombing their cities, remained temporarily quiet by the end of Kedmi's speech, standing with arms crossed and head down.

The episode is a rare example of disagreement among some of the Kremlin's strongest supporters.

As the conflict continues without any significant victories for Russia, Solovyov often mentions Russia's capacity to launch a nuclear strike and calls for the Kremlin to bomb and destroy Ukrainian cities.


https://www.newsweek.com/russian-tv-host-slammed-pundit-criminal-bomb-
peaceful-cities-1760991


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, November 22, 2022 5:58 PM

Ukraine Launches Assault to Oust Russia From Key Black Sea Peninsula

Ukraine’s military said it launched an operation to push Russian forces from a strategic peninsula on the country’s Black Sea coast, as Kyiv looks to open up its besieged ports and build on significant gains through the country’s south.

Ukrainian forces have begun an assault on the Kinburn Spit, a strip of land jutting into the sea south of Mykolaiv, that has been occupied for months by Russian forces cutting off access to the port city.

“For now, this military operation is in silent mode,” said Natalia Humeniuk, a spokeswoman for Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command, on Ukrainian television late Monday. Ms. Humeniuk didn’t say when the operation had started but said stormy weather provided an advantage for Ukrainian forces in the area.

The larger Kinburn Peninsula is a key strategic prize for Ukraine. The sliver of land lies at a key maritime choke point leading to the port cities of Mykolaiv and Kherson, at the mouth of two large rivers, the Southern Buh and the Dnipro.

Russian forces have used the spit to launch missile, drone and artillery strikes that have hammered the city of Mykolaiv, which remains in Ukrainian control but has suffered under heavy Russian fire throughout the war.

Reclaiming the peninsula could also provide relief to hundreds of thousands of people living in the Mykolaiv region. The near-constant Russian shelling has damaged schools, hospitals, grain silos, port infrastructure and many civilian homes.

The new operation comes as Ukrainian forces attempt to expand on a sweeping offensive that has recaptured vast swaths of land previously occupied by Russia in southern Ukraine. Ukrainian forces earlier this month took back the city of Kherson, the only regional capital claimed by the Kremlin since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine began last February.

Russian forces launched heavy shelling of Kherson on Monday, a senior Ukrainian official said, attacking at a moment when Ukrainian authorities were working to restore normal life to the city. Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, called the shelling “systematic.”

There is no military logic: they just want to take revenge on the locals. This is a huge war crime live,” Mr. Zelensky said in a tweet.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-launches-assault-to-oust-
russia-from-key-black-sea-peninsula/ar-AA14oNwc


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, November 22, 2022 6:02 PM

Nobody cares.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Tuesday, November 22, 2022 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

Ukraine's ability to threaten the port of Novorossiysk in southern Russia places Russia's Black Sea Fleet in jeopardy, according to an assessment by Britain's defense ministry.

In its daily intelligence update on the Ukraine war, the U.K.'s defense ministry referenced an apparent attack on Novorossiysk in the Krasnodar region it says was reported by multiple Ukrainian and Russian media outlets on November 18.

Putin moved his Black Sea Fleet from Crimea to Novorossiysk in the Krasnodar region after Ukrainian attacks deep into Crimea.

The defense ministry's update noted that although full details of the Novorossiysk incident are yet to emerge, any demonstration of a Ukrainian capability to threaten Novorossiysk would "highly likely represent a further strategic challenge" for Russia's Black Sea Fleet.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-black-sea-fleet-ukraine-strike-crimea-
uk-1761302


Google Maps from Sevastopol to the Port of Novorossiysk, Russia
https://goo.gl/maps/r2sjqNhCGZHehLrT9

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, November 22, 2022 7:54 PM

First there was a massive push and invasion by Russia, it looked like they took over half of Ukraine then a push back came from Ukraine rebels, fighters, soldiers

There was great success when bullets and bombs were supplied to counter attack, as Drones and Anti-Tank missiles came in NATO, the USA, the neighbor countries of Ukraine giving supply and aid

but now something different happens, Russian unitshave been seen in Belarus again.

I think the war might be entering something of a stalemate these past weeks and days, apart from the Russian order to retreat back to a line beyond the river at the city of Kherson, Ukrainian forces subsequently started entering the city early November 2022 but outside of this there seems to be little activity and not much shift in the lines of battle

Here is a pic made



There are attacks

but the lines of battle seem to have moved very little

There is an ongoing refugee crisis in Europe after Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Over 7.8 million refugees fleeing Ukraine have been recorded across Europe, refugees initially entered neighboring countries to the west of Ukraine that is Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Moldova.

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THG
Tuesday, November 22, 2022 7:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

THGR, would it be possible to stop posting such mindless rah-rah-ism?

I'm embarrassed for you, and I don't even like you.






Comrade Signym calls the global news and world leaders’ comments concerning Russia and Ukraine that I post here, mindless rah-rah-ism.

It is the news as its being reported around the world, along with the opinions of the world’s leaders. So in effect, she is claiming anything that differs from Putins’ propaganda to be cheerleading against Russia and biased. Facts Signym, it is the facts about what is going on. And, it is going down exactly as I’ve been saying it would this past decade in our many, many exchanges.

Russia is dead. It is slowly coming to terms with it. You should too.



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Tuesday, November 22, 2022 8:02 PM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

but the lines of battle seem to have moved very little

The lines of battle do not need to move because Russians are willingly jumping into the furnace and being burnt to death:

The Village Of Pavlivka Is A ‘Furnace’ Burning Up Russian Marine Brigades

by David Axe, Forbes Staff, Nov 21, 2022, 08:00am EST

Call it a countercounteroffensive. Two months after the Ukrainian armed forces launched twin counteroffensives in eastern and southern Ukraine, rapidly liberating Kharkiv and Kherson Oblasts from months of brutal Russian occupation, Russian forces pushed back.

But where the Ukrainian counteroffensives resulted in major breakthroughs for the Ukrainians—and galloping retreats by local Russian troops—the Russian countercounteroffensive is a brutal, bloody slog that appears to be killing more Russians than Ukrainians. Worse for the Russians, they’re not gaining significant ground.

Three weeks ago, the Russians attacked west of Donetsk, the capital of the separatist Donetsk People’s Republic. Their aim: to wrest control of all of Donetsk Oblast from the Ukrainians. Russian and separatist regiments and mercenaries from The Wagner Group attacked the Ukrainian garrisons in Bakhmut, Siversk, Pavlivka and other settlements in western Donetsk.

It’s not going well for the Russians and their allies. “The Ukrainians are fighting a very, very successful mobile defense,” U.S. Army Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters on Wednesday.

The ongoing battle for Pavlivka, 25 miles southwest of Donetsk, is a tragic microcosm of Russia’s failing campaign. For three weeks, the Russian marine corps’ 155th and 40th Naval Infantry Brigades and other forces have been trying, and failing, to pry the Ukrainian 72nd Mechanized Brigade from Pavlivka, which before the war had a population of 2,500.

The marines lost as many as 300 troops killed, wounded or missing in just the first few days of their assaults on Pavlivka. The losses continued over the next couple of weeks as Ukrainian artillery blasted exposed Russian infantry and Ukrainian missile teams knocked out Russian tanks.

Aleksandr Khodakovsky, a notorious separatist commander in Donetsk Oblast, described Pavlivka as a “furnace” for the Russian marine brigades. The problem, Khodakovsky explained, is marine commanders’ inability to concentrate their surviving forces in order to defeat Ukrainian troops at critical points in the defensive line and achieve a breakthrough. “Planning errors have led to unjustified losses with a meager result,” Khodakovsky wrote.

It’s possible Russian forces cling to the southern edge of Pavlivka—the “meager result” Khodakovsky referenced. But capturing a few blocks of a tiny village isn’t worth the cost of hundreds or thousands of lives in two of the Russians’ few intact brigades. The 155th and 40th Naval Infantry Brigades, which at their peak strength each oversaw 3,000 troops, surely can’t sustain these kinds of losses much longer.

The outlook is bleak for the Kremlin as the Ukrainian counterattack gains momentum and the Russian countercounterattack falters. “The Ukrainians have achieved success after success after success and the Russians have failed every single time,” Milley said. “They've lost strategically, they’ve lost operationally, and I repeat, they lost tactically.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/21/the-village-of-pavliv
ka-is-a-furnace-for-two-russian-marine-brigades
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, November 22, 2022 8:53 PM

The Wizard of Oz (Perhaps the title is a reference to this quote: “As for you, my fine friend, you're a victim of disorganized thinking. You are under the unfortunate delusion that simply because you run away from danger, you have no courage. You're confusing courage with wisdom.” — The Wizard of Oz)

More than 100,000 Russian troops have died since Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine, according to American estimates that Agence France-Presse cited. The same experts estimated that Ukraine likely has suffered a similar number of losses.

Ukraine has disputed those estimates, ABC News reported. Putin has never released realistic numbers for Russia’s war dead. But more Russian civilians are voicing their displeasure about high mortality rates in Ukraine, wrote the Washington Post. Their anger reflects stories from soldiers at the front who describe equipment shortages, unorganized leadership, and incompetence.

“A Ukrainian drone first flew over us, and after that their artillery started to pound us for hours and hours, nonstop,” Russian conscript Aleksei Agafonov told the Guardian, adding that his unit was ordered to dig trenches but didn’t have enough shovels. “I saw men being ripped apart in front of me, most of our unit is gone, destroyed. It was hell.”

Putin is showing no signs of relenting. He recently sent 50,000 more soldiers to the war zone and has another 250,000 in training as part of a massive call-up of troops dating from September. But sending more drafted men into the meatgrinder won’t help Russia’s cause, argued Center for American Progress senior fellow Larry Korb on Military.com.

With the help of Western weaponry, including new experimental weapons, as the New York Times explained, Ukrainians have gained the momentum in the war, recently retaking the city of Kherson, a major prize. (As CNN reported, survivors are now sharing stories of the brutality, including torture chambers, under Russian occupation.) Meanwhile, Russia’s new draftees were preparing to fight 60 km back from the frontline in Ukraine, suggesting they expect more Ukrainian advancements, the Independent noted.

At the same time, Putin’s hawkish allies appear to be fragmenting. Radio Free Europe referred to Putin’s close ally and pro-war advocate, Yevgeny Prigozhin, as Grigory Rasputin, the Svengali-like monk who controlled Russia’s last tsar in the early 20th century before the Soviet revolution. An oligarch whose wealth comes from lucrative Kremlin catering contracts, Prigozhin owns the private mercenary company, the Wagner Group. To show how demented Russian militarists like Prigozhin have become, the Bulwark related a gruesome story about a hapless Wagner fighter who made the mistake of admitting to switching sides and joining Ukraine, before being murdered on video with a sledgehammer.

Prigozhin might accumulate more wealth as the war drags on. Other oligarchs might not be so optimistic. As the Russian army loses on the battlefield, the Russian economy is on its knees, too. Amid harsh Western sanctions and partial economic isolation, skyrocketing expenses related to the war and exacerbated supply-chain worries and other post-pandemic concerns, the Russian economy shrunk by 4 percent in the third quarter of the year, reported Reuters, officially tipping into recession.

Perhaps hundreds of thousands of ill-trained, ill-supplied recruits will win the day for Russia. Maybe the cold winter will force the West to buy more Russian energy, throwing Putin a lifeline. China could run to Putin’s rescue, too. Or Russia might continue to lose, lose, lose.

https://www.dailychatter.com/2022/11/22/the-wizard-of-oz/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, November 23, 2022 12:15 AM


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THGR, would it be possible to stop posting such mindless rah-rah-ism?
I'm embarrassed for you, and I don't even like you.

THGR: Comrade Signym calls the global news and world leaders’ comments concerning Russia and Ukraine that I post here, mindless rah-rah-ism.

Yes, because it is.

You call it "world news" and "world" leaders but in reality your "news" comes from a tightly linked group of western, neocon-controlled people who get their "talking points" from somebody deep in the State Department.

Seriously. They have such a stake in the matter, do you really expect them to tell you the truth?

What do you EXPECT them to say?

"We're getting our ass handed to us militarily and economically and there's nothing we can do about it except throw more assets and people into the bonfire"?

You should listen to Brian, who follows the ACTUAL military situation (supplies, logistics, casualties, frontline news) from Ukrainian, American, and Russian sources



Or maybe the Duran



which also pays attention to world politics and economies

I could also point you in the direction of Colonel Douglas Macgegor, former CIA and security contractor Larry Johnson, Moon of Alabama (written by a German) and others who have more objective opinions and don't have such personal, professional and financial stake in Ukraine.

With so many better, more diverse sources, why do you stick with known liars??



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, November 23, 2022 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You call it "world news" and "world" leaders but in reality your "news" comes from a tightly linked group of western, neocon-controlled people who get their "talking points" from somebody deep in the State Department.

Seriously. They have such a stake in the matter, do you really expect them to tell you the truth?

What do you EXPECT them to say?

"We're getting our ass handed to us militarily and economically and there's nothing we can do about it except throw more assets and people into the bonfire"?

You should listen to Brian, who follows the ACTUAL military situation (supplies, logistics, casualties, frontline news) from Ukrainian, American, and Russian sources

Or maybe the Duran

which also pays attention to world politics and economies

I could also point you in the direction of Colonel Douglas Macgegor, former CIA and security contractor Larry Johnson, Moon of Alabama (written by a German) and others who have more objective opinions and don't have such personal, professional and financial stake in Ukraine.

With so many better, more diverse sources, why do you stick with known liars??

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake


The Ancient Absurdities of “Ancient Apocalypse”
A Netflix show for “free thinkers” promotes a whole lot of bunk. It’s hugely popular.
Signym has found similar programs on youtube. Call it “Russian Apocalypse”. It’s hugely popular. And a whole lot of bunk.

https://slate.com/culture/2022/11/ancient-apocalypse-graham-hancock-ne
tflix-theory-explained.html
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What’s interesting to me about this series getting super popular on Netflix is that I’m not sure what percentage of the people who are watching it know that the theory of Atlantis used to be, or sometimes still is, that kind of a theory. I think I can imagine the answer to this question: What are the stakes of this show being popular on Netflix for what our sense of what science is? It’s just more disinformation, more distrust of expertise. But what would you say are the stakes for archaeology?

The biggest stakes right now in the United States are what happens to academic archaeology if university administrators and students and alumni begin demanding that departments of anthropology and archaeology at the university support this line of thinking.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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