Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, November 15, 2022 1:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I haven't bothered to read, SECOND.
It probably contradicts your immediately previous post.
I hope you don't mind.

SECOND: I have a theory that Signym leaves clues to what is wrong with Signym's mind. blah blah blah

SIGNY: Son, you don't leave "clues" you leave great sweeping walls of incoherence.
And libel, personal insults, and red herrings.
When you start putting some thought into your posts, they might be worth reading.

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SECOND: A new clue for Signym, but about Russia rather than about Signym:

EU at UN-NY @EUatUN tweeted:

Adopted Today @UN General Assembly recognizes Russia must be held accountable for its aggression against Ukraine.

Adopted by 94 to 14 votes,

Let's see... 193 members. That's 94 for, 14 against, and 85 abstentions.

Since arithemtic isn't your thing, there were more no votes and abstentions (99) than votes for. Not a ringing endorsement, is it?

You know what this is about? Ursula van der Crazy is trying to find a way to seize the Russian assets that they froze last year. The EU is just trying to find a way to steal Russia's money.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Tuesday, November 15, 2022 3:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Let's see... 193 members. That's 94 for, 14 against, and 85 abstentions.

Since arithemtic isn't your thing, there were more no votes and abstentions (99) than votes for. Not a ringing endorsement, is it?

You know what this is about? Ursula van der Crazy is trying to find a way to seize the Russian assets that they froze last year. The EU is just trying to find a way to steal Russia's money.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Obviously, you failed to see the point about Russian behavior, Signym. Will you fail to understand this next point because some nations abstain from expressing their opinion of Russia out of fear of Russia?

The Death Penalty – Russian Style

Footage of the summary killing of Yevgeny Nuzhin was posted over the weekend by the Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone. In the video, Nuzhin was shown lying down with his head taped to a brick wall as an unidentified man in combat clothing hits him with a sledgehammer.

Wagner is a notorious military group run by Yevgeny Prigozhin, a powerful Russian businessman and a close ally of Vladimir Putin. Prigozhin, who is under western sanctions for his role in Wagner, on Sunday voiced his approval for the killing, calling Nuzhin a “traitor”. “Nuzhin betrayed his people, betrayed his comrades, betrayed consciously,” he said.

Following his capture by Ukrainian forces in September, Nuzhin gave a series of interviews in the country, in which he said he had joined the Wagner group to get out of prison. In the interviews, he criticised the Russian leadership and expressed his desire to join the Ukrainian forces and fight against Moscow. Unconfirmed reports said Nuzhin had been part of a recent Russian-Ukrainian prisoner exchange.

The Kremlin on Monday sought to distance itself from the video, which has been widely discussed on Russian social media, with spokesperson Dmitry Peskov saying “it was not our business”.

More at https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/14/family-expresses-horror-
at-video-of-killing-of-russian-wagner-group-defector

Signym didn’t read, but after WWII, the Russians executed Russians who were freed in prisoner exchanges. And not just Russians. https://web.archive.org/web/20190525192646/https://www.latimes.com/arc
hives/la-xpm-1992-11-12-mn-234-story.html
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/forced-repatriation-to-the-soviet-union
-the-secret-betrayal/

Once again, some nations abstain from expressing their opinion of Russia out of fear of Russia. Signym would take abstentions as evidence that Russia is righteous.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Tuesday, November 15, 2022 8:07 PM

Russia has angrily rejected international calls for it to pay for war damage it has inflicted in Ukraine.

The Kremlin said it would work to stop the West seizing its international reserves to pay for reparations.

Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov accused the West of attempting to "formalise robbery" and violate the rules of private property and international law.

There have been previous examples of countries being ordered to pay reparations after conflicts.

The most famous is the 269bn marks that Germany was told to pay by the allies after World War One - around $300bn (£250bn) in today's money.

The high price was intended to ensure that Germany would not be capable of more war for many years.

But it ended up having the opposite effect, as many historians argue the crippling reparations and labelling of Germany as the "guilty" party in the war were a key driver of resentment that led to World War Two.

Germany and other axis powers were also forced to pay reparations after World War Two, but with a greater emphasis on rebuilding damaged infrastructure in Europe than on punishing Germany for its actions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63632819

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

THG

Tuesday, November 15, 2022 10:32 PM

Hey comrade signym...

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SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 16, 2022 2:32 AM

I thought this was interesting.

Quote:
The Kherson question
November 15, 2022 22 Comments

Notes and reflections by Nora Hoppe for the Saker blog

To retreat or not to retreat

Preface:
I have no idea about war… I have never experienced one. I understand nothing of military campaigns, strategies, manoeuvres, weapons, etc. I’ve only seen several war films, read novels featuring war and followed the news on various wars…

* * *

I have heard that each war is different, and that comparisons are only useful for “certain aspects”.

I follow the news regularly on Russia’s Special Military Operation in Ukraine. And I have recently read and heard many varying and divisionary views on the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kherson, a city that is now lawfully part of Russia.

Dispensing with the views of the pro-NATO side, which are of no interest, I am observing the division of thought amongst analysts, journalists and commenters in forums siding with the Russians: There are those who are outraged and see the withdrawal from Kherson as “a disgrace”, “a sign of weakness”, “an embarrassment”, “a poor strategy”, “unattractive optics”, etc. Others see it as the outcome of a difficult but wise decision – that was primarily made to save the lives of Russian soldiers, who would have been cut off by a massive flood if NATO were to blow up the Kakhovka Dam. (There may well be additional tactical reasons for the withdrawal, but they are not (yet) known to the public.)

When people speak of the “optics not looking good“… a film set immediately comes to my mind (I have worked in the film world for many years). And that immediately tells me how some people view this operation – as spectators: it has to have a good catchy script, suspense, uninterrupted action and – heaven forbid – no lulls! It has to ultimately supply a dopamine release. It has to have a “Dirty Harry Catharsis”.

This reminds me of similar reactions to the prisoner exchange in mid-September, where some saw it as a sign of weakness to even think of releasing Azov prisoners… or when the Chinese government did not deliver a dramatic retort when Pelosi went to do her skit in Taiwan.

What is at the base of these kinds of reactions? Why such impatience? Why such concern with “appearances”? Why such a need to satiate one’s own personal sense of justice and retribution? Does it have something to do with consuming? Especially in the western world one has become an addicted consumer of not only things but “experiences” that can be lived indirectly.

Today we witness events of other peoples’ wars and battles on computer screens from the comfort of our homes or on our tiny phones from chic cafés… these events can accessed at any moment – just press a key… and they appear – like a scene in a film, a game, a contest, a sports match. Even the dead bodies that lie mangled, bloodied or in gory stumps strewn over the mud become the pieces of a broken puppets on a stage. “Hell, one gets used to it…” The sacredness of Life is gone.

We have become spectators… and our world has become a spectacle.

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In his philosophical work and critique of contemporary consumer culture, “The Society of the Spectacle”, Guy Debord describes modern society as one in which authentic social life has been replaced with its representation: “All that once was directly lived has become mere representation.” He argues that the history of social life can be understood as “the decline of being into having… and having into merely appearing.” This condition is the “historical moment at which the commodity completes its colonisation of social life.”

As an aside, I witnessed this during one of our lab and staff happy hours. The venue was too noisy to have a conversation or share a laugh with the person across the table. The two most vivacious people, both attractive women were sitting next to each other, mugging for their paired selfies, looking like th

SECOND

Wednesday, November 16, 2022 4:01 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I thought this was interesting.

I can't claim to know what the Kiev leadership, or the individual soldiers, are fighting for. Or what the Russian leadership and soldiers are fighting for. I'm overall wary of a fight for an ideology... "freedom", "god", "religion", "patriotism" or something equally evanescent. IMHO if you're going to fight for something, it had better be specific.

Is this specific enough?

A WWII refugee from Ukraine links Putin’s war to Stalin’s famine

By Oleh Wolowyna

According to our estimates of the famine’s impact, about 4 million people, or 13% of Soviet Ukraine’s population in 1933, were starved to death between 1932 and 1934, and 600,000 children were not born.

Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine is an updated version of Stalin’s deliberately manufactured famine. Stalin denied the famine’s existence; Mr. Putin claimed he had no intention of invading Ukraine. Mentioning the famine was punishable by law, as is the case today with describing the invasion as war. Ukrainians starved to death during the Holodomor because Stalin took away most of the grain produced by Ukrainian peasants; Mr. Putin is stealing hundreds of thousands of tons of Ukrainian grain. In terms of Ukrainian identity, though, Mr. Putin has in some ways gone a step further than Stalin by denying the very existence of Ukraine and claiming that all Ukrainians are Russian.

When the war is over, I will probably return to Ukraine and, with my colleagues there, face the task of documenting a second genocide. We will try to determine how many civilians were killed, how many children were not born because of the war, and what proportion of future generations has been lost forever.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20220627192429/https://www.csmonitor.com/C
ommentary/2022/0627/A-WWII-refugee-from-Ukraine-links-Putin-s-war-to-Stalin-s-famine

Is this specific enough for you, Signym?

R.J. Rummel, Lethal Politics - Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 (Published 1990)

While there are estimates of the number of people killed by Soviet authorities during particular episodes or campaigns, until now, no one has tried to calculate the complete human toll of Soviet genocides and mass murders since the revolution of 1917. Here, R. J. Rummel lists and analyzes hundreds of published estimates, presenting them in the historical context in which they occurred. His shocking conclusion is that, conservatively calculated, 61,911,000 people were systematically killed by the Communist regime from 1917 to 1987.

https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder/dp/15600
08873/

Preface

This book is part of a project on government genocide and mass killing in this century. The aim is to test the hypothesis that the citizens of democracies are the least likely to be murdered by their own governments; the citizens of totalitarian, especially Marxist systems, the most likely. The theory is that democratic systems provide a path to peace, and universalizing them would eliminate war and minimize global political violence. This was the conclusion of my Understanding Conflict and War,' and has been further confirmed by systematic, empirical tests since.

In the process of that research, I discovered that governments have murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, and that in some cases, the death toll may have actually exceeded that of World War II. To get some idea of the numbers involved, I surveyed the extent of genocide and mass killing by governments since 1900. The results were shocking: according to these first figures—independent of war and other kinds of conflict—governments probably have murdered 119,400,000 people—Marxist governments about 95,200,000 of them. By comparison, the battle-killed in all foreign and domestic wars in this century total 35,700,000.

These monstrous statistics sharply reoriented my research. For more than thirty years as a political scienti

SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 16, 2022 4:50 AM

OMG SECIND, you are so stupid.
The point bounced off your fender-head.

You're posting an analogy as a purpose.
"Putin is like Stalin".
I dispute the analogy.

But more importantly, your post doesn't explain what Russia is fighting FOR.

Dunderhead.
* Walks away, muttering*

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Wednesday, November 16, 2022 5:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMG SECIND, you are so stupid.
The point bounced off your fender-head.

You're posting an analogy as a purpose.
"Putin is like Stalin".
I dispute the analogy.

But more importantly, your post doesn't explain what Russia is fighting FOR.

Dunderhead.
* Walks away, muttering*

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Putin declared what Russia is fighting for. Pick whichever reasons from Putin's list that you think are real reasons, or pick all of them. I think all of Putin's reasons are lies. He invaded Ukraine for his personal glorification in the history books as the next Peter the Great, but the Russian Army is not performing gloriously. If Putin has to kill a few million Ukrainians on his way to being Putin the Great, so it has to be according to Putin:

Russia’s objectives in the war against Ukraine are anything but clear.
They have included “denazification” and “decommunisation”;
ensuring the security of inhabitants of the Donbas;
the demilitarisation and non-admission of Ukraine to Nato;
the return of formerly Russian lands;
the protection of the Russian language;
and even the “saving” of Ukrainian cities from gay parades.

The lack of clearly defined objectives makes the definition of victory uncertain. But this ambiguity also makes the criteria for defeat unclear — let alone one so bad as to endanger Putin. In fact, the Russian president had already survived several serious defeats: the invasion’s opening “blitzkrieg” failed, and Russian troops were forced to retreat from around Kyiv and several other cities. Russia lost the Moskva, the flagship of its Black Sea Fleet, and abandoned Snake Island, its first successful capture from the start of the war. After the hasty retreat from the outskirts of Kharkiv, another symbolically important target — the bridge to Crimea — was attacked. Other leaders might have already been toppled by such military failures, but not Putin.

The fact is that Putin’s supporters do not perceive the invasion of Ukraine as an act of aggression. For them, it’s a retaliation against the much more powerful west. Researchers of Russian society are observing a startling paradox. History puts Russia in a row of vast western colonial empires. But after its defeat in the cold war, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the economic hardships of the 1990s, a growing number of Russians felt they had been reduced to a colony ruled by western forces. They now believe they are casting off the yoke which so humiliated their country and “imposed” capitalism upon it.

In the eyes of dissatisfied Russians, any form of resistance to the west is a victory, almost regardless of the end result. Even in retreat, they will console themselves with the thought of having prevented Russia’s “further enslavement”. This is why there is no direct link between military setbacks and the weakening of Putin’s power. It is as difficult for the president to lose this war as it is to win it. Domestically, even the invasion itself is a sort of victory. Meanwhile, the passive majority can be convinced that any outcome is the best possible one. And the critics will be silenced with repression, just as they are now.

Peace endangers Putin’s status as the challenger of the west. The Russian president is pushed into a virtually endless war for its own sake.

https://www.ft.com/content/01cdcc3e-22b9-4230-ac11-6c7056098f3f

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Wednesday, November 16, 2022 5:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMG SECIND, you are so stupid.
The point bounced off your fender-head.

You're posting an analogy as a purpose.
"Putin is like Stalin".
I dispute the analogy.

But more importantly, your post doesn't explain what Russia is fighting FOR.

Dunderhead.
* Walks away, muttering*

SECIND: Putin declared what Russia is fighting for. Pick whichever reasons from Putin's list that you think are real reasons, or pick all of them. I think all of Putin's reasons are lies. He invaded Ukraine for his personal glorification in the history books as the next Peter the Great,

You've posted so many conflicting opinions ...

Russians support the war in Ukraine. Except when they don't.

Russian soldiers are brave and stalwart when the confront their military. Except when they commit atrocities.

Russians don't know how to fight wars/kill efficiently. Except when they use standoff weapons, and then they're cowards.

We're not at war with the Russian people. Except they're no better than orcs.

We're not at war with Russia. Except we want to destroy it.

I'm sure you'll post some other bullshit in the next post or two that will completely contradict what you just posted.

The incoherence of your posts is why I rarely bother with more than a sentence or two.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Wednesday, November 16, 2022 6:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You've posted so many conflicting opinions ...

Russians support the war in Ukraine. Except when they don't.

Russian soldiers are brave and stalwart when the confront their military. Except when they commit atrocities.

Russians don't know how to fight wars/kill efficiently. Except when they use standoff weapons, and then they're cowards.

We're not at war with the Russian people. Except they're no better than orcs.

We're not at war with Russia. Except we want to destroy it.

I'm sure you'll post some other bullshit in the next post or two that will completely contradict what you just posted.

The incoherence of your posts is why I rarely bother with more than a sentence or two.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Russians are traumatized people. Their lives make little sense and are going nowhere, one action contradicted the next action. But their lives do drift ever so slowly into one disaster after another that can be seen from their recent history. Signym, if you watch Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone, you would know this about Russians.

“To understand Russia now – and what might happen in the future – you have to understand what happened back then. For it is out of that rage, the violence, the desperation and the overwhelming corruption that Vladimir Putin emerged.”- filmmaker Adam Curtis, who also made The Century of the Self.

Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone
What It Felt Like To Live Through the Collapse of Communism . . . and Democracy

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/other/adam-curtis-astonishing-
autopsy-of-the-fall-of-russia-will-leave-you-wide-eyed/ar-AA12U7PL

A few places to see the 7 part TV show:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0d3hwl1/russia-19851999-trauma
zone

https://comment.rlsbb.ru/russia-1985-1999-traumazone-s01-1080p-ip-web-
dl-h264-playweb/

https://tpb25.ukpass.co/search.php?q=TraumaZone

RUSSIA: Adam Curtis on the fall of the Soviet Union's worrying parallels with modern Britain

Adam Curtis is a journalist and filmmaker. His latest documentary, Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone, is out now on BBC iPlayer.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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