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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Friday, November 18, 2022 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by second:
Putin's Black Sea Crisis Deepens as He Only Has Seven Ships Left—Report
By Isabel van Brugen On 11/17/22 at 9:44 AM EST
Operational Command South, a formation of the Ukrainian Ground Forces that operates in the southern part of the country, said in a Facebook post
This is as far into Kiev's lies as I intend to get.
Kiev lies about things both large and small. I know for a fact that Russia has a robust fleet.
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Friday, November 18, 2022 1:00 AM
Quote:Is Estonia lying about Russia? Estonia’s Defense Minister: ‘The border separating Russia from Estonia and other countries is the border of civilization’
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Putin's Black Sea Crisis Deepens as He Only Has Seven Ships Left—Report
By Isabel van Brugen On 11/17/22 at 9:44 AM EST
Operational Command South, a formation of the Ukrainian Ground Forces that operates in the southern part of the country, said in a Facebook post
This is as far into Kiev's lies as I intend to get.
Kiev lies about things both large and small. I know for a fact that Russia has a robust fleet.
Hanno Pevkur wants to see more international support for Kyiv, which is fighting for ‘the free world,’ despite the impact from the energy crisis
Q. Before this war, Estonia, which borders Russia and has a long history of relations, had warned several times about the threat from the Kremlin. Do you think these warnings were not heeded?
A. Many European leaders have said several times that they should have listened to Estonia earlier. But now is not the time to boast about that and there is no point in going back in time. We have a war to win together with Ukraine, as they are fighting not only for themselves, but for the free world and what the security structure in Europe will look like in the coming decades.
Q. With the Kremlin’s energy battle with the EU and as citizens begin to notice inflation hurting their pockets more and more, do you think that solidarity will falter?
A. It is our job to explain why we support and should continue to support Ukraine, because this is our war too, it is a war for a rules-based world. In Estonia inflation is around 20% and things are very difficult. My own gas bill has gone up 15-fold. We are all paying a price for what happened, a very high price, but that doesn’t mean we have to give in to Russia’s blackmail or stop supporting Ukraine. Especially Estonia, especially the eastern flank of NATO, because we are the main gateway of the Atlantic Alliance [to Russia].
Q. Estonia is one of the countries that is most vocal about supporting Ukraine. Are there great variations in support within the EU?
A. It is up to each country to decide how much it can provide and how, because some States do not have much military power to offer, but they do have other formulas, such as financial support. Estonia has supported Ukraine with approximately the equivalent of 30% of its annual defense budget, which is approximately 1% of our GDP. (1% of USA GDP is $230 billion annually, 30% of USA annual defense budget is $493 billion annually) So yes, we are leaders in supporting Ukraine, but we are still looking for new options. We are finalizing a military field hospital, the third, together with other partners, and we are looking for more. We are providing training to Ukrainian soldiers in different fields, some of them ‘special’ and which I cannot openly disclose, and additional training to combat cyber-attacks. We are all fighting for the free world.
Q. Now, with Moscow’s focus on the war in Ukraine, does Estonia feel that threat?
A. There is no immediate threat at Estonia’s border today. However, we all understand that we have to stay focused on closely monitoring what is going on behind our borders. We have raised our defense spending – for the next four years, our defense spending will be on average nearly 3% of our GDP. (USA spends 3.2% GDP on defense) This will be invested in raising our defense capabilities – over 50% of the additional funding will go towards capabilities, which is well above the 20% NATO requirement. We will be developing our long-range fire capabilties (HIMARS), mid-range air defence capabilities, marine missiles, anti-tank weaponry, and much more.
More at https://english.elpais.com/international/2022-11-17/estonias-defense-m
inister-the-border-separating-russia-from-estonia-and-other-countries-is-the-border-of-civilization.html
The Joss Whedon script
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Friday, November 18, 2022 1:10 AM
The path of a missile.
The path of a lie: from Kiev and Poland to "anonymous US officials" to the AP
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Yes, SECOND, Estonia is lying about Russia.
What do you expect? The collective west lies about EVERYTHING: from the nature of its economy to the nature of its politics, that men can indeed get pregnant, that a particular car/ videogame will make you happy, the nature of our wars and the superiority of Europe/Five Eyes...
Lies, large and small, endlessly. Many even believe their own lies.
You should know how that works, SECOND, since you're an inveterate liar yourself.
You're so comfortable with swallowing lies that you'll swallow one lie and immediately swallow a contradictory lie. Apparently without any mental indigestion.
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Friday, November 18, 2022 3:27 AM
Quote:Dutch court convicts three of murder in MH17 jet downing over Ukraine
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The path of a missile.
The path of a lie: from Kiev and Poland to "anonymous US officials" to the AP
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Yes, SECOND, Estonia is lying about Russia.
What do you expect? The collective west lies about EVERYTHING: from the nature of its economy to the nature of its politics, that men can indeed get pregnant, that a particular car/ videogame will make you happy, the nature of our wars and the superiority of Europe/Five Eyes...
Lies, large and small, endlessly. Many even believe their own lies.
You should know how that works, SECOND, since you're an inveterate liar yourself.
You're so comfortable with swallowing lies that you'll swallow one lie and immediately swallow a contradictory lie. Apparently without any mental indigestion.
The conviction of the defendants — two former Russian security service officers and a Ukrainian national who commanded pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region — implicates the Russian government. Moscow has long denied responsibility for the destruction of the jetliner and refused to extradite the defendants or cooperate with investigators. A third Russian defendant was acquitted.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/17/mh17-verdict-convictio
n-flight/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Friday, November 18, 2022 3:57 AM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Putin’s swan song: ‘Cri-Me-A River’
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
When it's announced that America is at war with Putin, and it's a legal war that Congress approves, let me know.
Until then, Putin and Russia are the victims here and I fully support Russia against the proxy war that NATO is waging through Ukraine while using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder.
As for you, Second... Get fucked you Neo-Con warmongering piece of shit.
The blood of everyone involved is on YOUR hands.
The Kremlin’s “special military operation” is now all about Putin’s survival and Russia's need to maintain possession of Crimea to remain viable as a conventional superpower.
Putin could be facing his end in Crimea in a dystopian version of Tchaikovsky’s “Swan Lake.” Zelensky, in winning and playing the good sorcerer, has turned Putin into a black swan — increasingly, there is no easy escape in Ukraine for the Russian leader. All that likely remains is Putin’s swan song: “Cri-me-a River.” Cue the stagehands at Perekop. Putin may be nearing his final exit.
Jonathan Sweet, a retired Army colonel, served 30 years as a military intelligence officer. His background includes tours of duty with the 101st Airborne Division and the Intelligence and Security Command. He led the U.S. European Command Intelligence Engagement Division from 2012-14, working with NATO partners in the Black Sea and Baltics. Follow him on Twitter @JESweet2022.
More at https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3735377-putins-swan-song
-cri-me-a-river/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Uh huh.
Wasn't this little NATO/Raytheon/Blackstone operation supposed to go on for 10 years or something. Or end up with nuclear missiles being fired or something.
Putin is fine.
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Friday, November 18, 2022 4:15 AM
Quote:The prediction was "Putin may be nearing his final exit." Who knows how long Russia will fight Ukraine? Nobody. Russia was killing Germans long after WWII was over. According to the Germans, 2 million Germans were killed after the peace treaties were signed. Russian vindictiveness means Ukrainians will be killed long after a peace treaty is signed.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Uh huh.
Wasn't this little NATO/Raytheon/Blackstone operation supposed to go on for 10 years or something. Or end up with nuclear missiles being fired or something.
Putin is fine.
https://theconversation.com/postwar-forced-resettlement-of-germans-ech
oes-through-the-decades-137219
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Friday, November 18, 2022 6:50 AM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Dutch court convicts three of murder in MH17 jet downing over
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The path of a missile.
The path of a lie: from Kiev and Poland to "anonymous US officials" to the AP
****
Yes, SECOND, Estonia is lying about Russia.
What do you expect? The collective west lies about EVERYTHING: from the nature of its economy to the nature of its politics, that men can indeed get pregnant, that a particular car/ videogame will make you happy, the nature of our wars and the superiority of Europe/Five Eyes...
Lies, large and small, endlessly. Many even believe their own lies.
You should know how that works, SECOND, since you're an inveterate liar yourself.
You're so comfortable with swallowing lies that you'll swallow one lie and immediately swallow a contradictory lie. Apparently without any mental indigestion.
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Girkin was found to be responsible for the transportation of the Buk missile system from Russia to the site from which the launch took place.
Kharchenko was found to have overseen the safety of the missile system after its delivery and installation, while Pulatov was acquitted.
Just bullshit and lies from the collective west, SECOND.
That's like convicting the UPS guy of murder because he delivered a mail order gun.
You really don't "get it", do you? When I say the collective west lies about everything, I mean it lies about everything .
They lie about Nancy's drinking and insider trading. They lied about WMD. They lied about Epstein. They lie constantly about Russia. They lie about our economy. The lies they tell are legion.
But then, the lies YOU tell are legion. If Satan is the father of lies, what does that make you?
I would be hard pressed to find truth about anything except the most inconsequential local story.
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Friday, November 18, 2022 7:34 AM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The prediction was "Putin may be nearing his final exit." Who knows how long Russia will fight Ukraine? Nobody. Russia was killing Germans long after WWII was over. According to the Germans, 2 million Germans were killed after the peace treaties were signed. Russian vindictiveness means Ukrainians will be killed long after a peace treaty is signed.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Uh huh.
Wasn't this little NATO/Raytheon/Blackstone operation supposed to go on for 10 years or something. Or end up with nuclear missiles being fired or something.
Putin is fine.
https://theconversation.com/postwar-forced-resettlement-of-germans-ech
oes-through-the-decades-137219
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Your entire argument for American/NATO aggression against Russia is nothing more than a sad derivative of Pascal's Wager.
You are a fucking cultist. How many decades ago was it exactly that you had an independent thought?
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Friday, November 18, 2022 2:15 PM
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Did Ukraine Try To Trick NATO Into Starting World War III After It Accidentally Bombed Poland?
a) I'm fair certain it wasn't "accidental", and
b) Well, duh!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Friday, November 18, 2022 2:24 PM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Did Ukraine Try To Trick NATO Into Starting World War III After It Accidentally Bombed Poland?
a) I'm fair certain it wasn't "accidental", and
b) Well, duh!
Ukraine didn't do shit.
That was either NATO or US that sent a bomb two miles over the fence to Poland.
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