Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
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Quote:I see that the goddamn liar is denying everything: Trump denies asking Attorney General William Barr to defend his Ukraine call in news conference
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
people familiar with the matter said.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.cnbc.com/2019/11/07/trump-denies-report-about-ag-william-barr-and-
ukraine-call.html
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The Washington Post reported Wednesday night, citing people familiar with the matter.
Double Down ANON
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If Congress can find witnesses to testify that Trump is lying,
IF TRUE...
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that is another impeachable offense.
No it isn't.
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But, all too obviously, no GOP Senator will vote GUILTY, so the whole point of impeaching Trump is moot.
Right.
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My favorite hobbyhorse, Trump's tax cheating,
So you've said...
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does not require a vote of Senators. If the House of Representatives find that Trump underpaid, Trump won't be able to wiggle out of paying, but he can delay until he is either dead or runs out of tax court appeals. He won't voluntarily pay, I predict. He will fight to the death.
What the fuck are they waiting for then?
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Or move to Florida, to continue the fight in a Southern Federal Court, which might be more likely than a New York Federal Court to allow his lawyers to delay.
Moving to Florida does not get Trump out of any hot water he would be in, in the State of New York.
IF TRUE... New York can and will go after any tax cheating that went on. Didn't one of you bozos already show a link to a story stating that somebody in New York was going after him for this?
Seriously, Second... Do you honestly believe that if you didn't pay your taxes in one state for the last 5 years that you can just move out of state and that's forgiven?
I already know you don't. That's your TDS talking for you.
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Get the Flyswatter ready THG!
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lol
Nah...
He's got Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from holding on to that tightly for 3 years already.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Get the Flyswatter ready THG!
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Originally posted by THG:
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Ready
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No kidding.
Be prepared to hold onto it for at least another 5 years.
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Meanwhile...
Trump's approval rating back up to nearly 44% https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html
Seems that nobody gives a shit about the Ukraine bullshit or the impeachment bullshit anymore.
It was awesome how Trump goaded the Gang of Four and the rest of the extreme left into forcing Nancy to formalize the impeachment proceedings against her will.
That old lady is going to have a heart attack. She never wanted it to get this far. She only wanted the specter of impeachment hanging over his head in the run up to the election. Now that it's formalized, it could play hell on the Democrat candidate's debate schedules since they can be sequestered at any time and taken off their campaign trails at a moment's notice. Not only that, but they can be kept in DC off the trail for 6 out of 7 days of any given week.
This doesn't effect Biden, but it will basically knock Sanders and Warren out of the race for good.
LOL... This will be funny. With Warren and Sanders too busy wasting 6 hours a day in impeachment proceedings, maybe the top three will be Biden, Bloomberg and Buttigieg.
We'll call them "The B Team"
Failed Hope and Change, Trump's Rich White Reflection With A Soft (D), and Gay Mayor From Nilbog Who Lets His Police Beat Up Minorities.
Priceless
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Quote:I passed this by a few times, because I was trying to not be snarky.
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But dood - you're into swatting yourself with a flyswatter? How ... intriguing. Tell me, do you do this in private, or do you like people to watch?
A billion flies eat shit.
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Quote:If you look at Trump's approval rating going back to 2017, it has not changed. The people who approve of him are not taking in any new information about him. If you look at other presidents, their approval ratings change with each new day's news. Not so with Trump. Here are approval ratings all the way back to Truman and Eisenhower:
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Meanwhile...
Trump's approval rating back up to nearly 44% https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html
Seems that nobody gives a shit about the Ukraine bullshit or the impeachment bullshit anymore.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/
All Presidents have strong fluctuations, except not Trump. At least not after Mueller became Special Counsel. After, Trump's approval rating became steadier than any other President's in history.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Exactly.
This is why you lose.
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New testimony draws Trump chief of staff into Ukraine scandal
President Donald Trump’s acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney approved a White House meeting with the president for the Ukrainian leader on condition Ukraine announced investigations tied to Trump’s political rival Joe Biden, according to testimony released on Friday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-testimony-draws-trump-chie
f-of-staff-into-ukraine-scandal/ar-BBWtCYu?ocid=spartandhp
Oh no, good grief Mickey.
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Steve Bannon Reluctantly Testifies In Roger Stone's Trial
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Quote:Trump may well win, but that is not how you, 6ix, personally win or get ahead in the world. That is how Trump gets ahead in the world, as he has been doing the last 40 years, taking advantage of suckers who can't understand how he plays the game.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Exactly.
This is why you lose.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
If Trump makes some spectacular mistake, for example, crashing the economy like Bush did in the Great Recession of 2008, and the 42% who always approve of whatever Trump does continue to stay onboard the Titanic captained by Trump, the 42% will go down with his ship. You already sank in 2008, did you not? Trump will have his own lifeboat as did Bush.
You will almost drown, as you almost drowned after 2008. Tough for you, but not Trump's problem. It is the problem for the 42% who are natural born suckers, screwed out of their money by people like Trump. They will find new Trumps to vote for after old Trump is gone. The lower 50% of the population will dependably find a way to sabotage themselves, to keep themselves on the bottom, so that the new Trumps can take the money away.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump may well win, but that is not how you, 6ix, personally win or get ahead in the world. That is how Trump gets ahead in the world, as he has been doing the last 40 years, taking advantage of suckers who can't understand how he plays the game.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Exactly.
This is why you lose.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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If Trump wins a second term, he will become more entertaining. I look forward to: "He was never completely hinged... The trip from where he was to unhinged, as he is now -- that was not a long trip."
Trump’s behavior in office was never all that even-keeled. But under the pressure of an impeachment inquiry, he appears more aggrieved. “He was never completely hinged,” another former White House official told me. “The trip from where he was to unhinged, as he is now—that was not a long trip.” (The president, for his part, has called himself a “very stable genius.”) Now, he’s tweeting more than ever and spiking his public appearances with profanity and name-calling.
There’s a certain frenzy to the performances. In one six-minute span at a rally last week in Mississippi, Trump abandoned the teleprompter and darted from topic to topic with all the forethought of a pinball banging off the bumpers: “Spying” on his 2016 campaign. Biden-family “corruption.” Hillary Clinton’s missing emails. The Green Party’s Jill Stein. The Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard. The Russia “hoax.” The “dishonest” news media. The 2016 election. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s acting skills. “Barack Hussein Obama.” A Trump-Biden TV debate and the lackluster ratings it would get. That “poor bastard” Beto O’Rourke. Truth as an unstoppable force.
Albeit with limited success, former aides tried to give Trump’s day some structure. They’d wait for him to come down from the residence, at around 11 a.m. eastern time. He’d have a meeting or two, then eat lunch and, often, retreat to his private study to read newspapers and watch TV-news coverage. He might then have another meeting before returning to the residence. “That was his day,” the person close to the White House told me.
A former White House official who is still in touch with his colleagues in the building described Trump’s routine these days as follows: “He comes down to the residence whenever he wants and leaves whenever he wants. He has a meeting if he wants—or he doesn’t have a meeting. He’s totally in control, and if he wants or needs something, he does it.” (That’s a much lighter schedule than other presidents in the modern era have kept. One November day at a comparable point in his presidency, Ronald Reagan worked from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m., taking part in a nonstop series of nearly 20 meetings, briefings, news interviews, photo ops, and phone calls.)
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/11/donald-trump-all-alone-wh
ite-house/601537/
5 years from now, the job will have made Trump 50 pounds heavier and 50% crazier. It should be fun to watch. The alternative? A Democratic President being tortured by GOP Senators. I pity that Democrat because you know the Republicans will blame the cause of Trump's personal failure on the Democrats impeaching him for his personal failings, you know, his lying, his disorganized office routine, his general laziness, his crookedness, his tax cheating, and his non-stop mouth saying whatever pops into his head. Very entertaining guy, but also a very bad CEO.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Top White House official told Congress ‘there was no doubt’ Trump sought quid pro quo with Ukrainians
Under questioning from Rep. Peter Welch (Vt.) and other Democrats, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman said “there was no doubt” about what Trump wanted when he spoke by phone July 25 with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky — particularly in contrast with an April call between the two leaders shortly after Zelensky’s election.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-white-house-official-told-
congress-there-was-no-doubt-trump-sought-quid-pro-quo-with-ukrainians/ar-BBWtP5i?ocid=spartandhp
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There is a sizable number of Republican senators and representatives who believe Trump’s actions are at least theoretically impeachable, who believe a thorough fact-finding mission is necessary, who believe his removal from office is not an altogether radical idea.
But it’s also evident that, barring a plain admission of guilt by the president himself—think Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men—the Republican Party will not be forsaking Trump. He could lose a stray vote in the House, maybe even two, when articles of impeachment come to the floor. He could fare even worse in the Senate, knowing that more than a few of the 53 Republican jurors might be tempted etch their names in the history books at his expense. None of this will alter his standing atop the party; none of this will change the fact that he is president through January 2021 and perhaps beyond.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/11/08/trump-impeachment-republica
ns-congress-229904
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Everyone agrees with Trump. I agree with Trump. Yes, read the transcript. Too funny...
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Chris Hayes: Yes, Read The Transcript!
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Quote:From the White House: www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf
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Everyone agrees with Trump. I agree with Trump. Yes, read the transcript. Too funny...
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Chris Hayes: Yes, Read The Transcript!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump may well win, but that is not how you, 6ix, personally win or get ahead in the world. That is how Trump gets ahead in the world, as he has been doing the last 40 years, taking advantage of suckers who can't understand how he plays the game.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Exactly.
This is why you lose.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
If Trump makes some spectacular mistake, for example, crashing the economy like Bush did in the Great Recession of 2008, and the 42% who always approve of whatever Trump does continue to stay onboard the Titanic captained by Trump, the 42% will go down with his ship. You already sank in 2008, did you not? Trump will have his own lifeboat as did Bush.
You will almost drown, as you almost drowned after 2008. Tough for you, but not Trump's problem. It is the problem for the 42% who are natural born suckers, screwed out of their money by people like Trump. They will find new Trumps to vote for after old Trump is gone. The lower 50% of the population will dependably find a way to sabotage themselves, to keep themselves on the bottom, so that the new Trumps can take the money away.
I almost drowned because I became an alcoholic. I was already somewhat on my way when I was still working that high paying, soulless job. My behavior from back as far as 2007 in even the regular forums here outside of the RWED was plenty of evidence of that.
Meanwhile, outside of the property tax payment for the 2nd half of this year I'll be making this week, I've been doing all of the work I've done on the house and paying all of my regular bills including car insurance and eating healthily for less than $150 per week since I was laid off at the end of June. If we add the property taxes, it's $180 per week. I'll also be getting a $300 credit on my income taxes for my property taxes in April, so really, it's only around $162 per week I've spent.
Meanwhile, I've gone from worrying about having to dump the house for cash to whoever would buy it to making it worth at least what I paid for it 8 years ago, and I'm going to continue to work on the inside of the house during the winter while I'm waiting to continue on with the outside work that needs to be done in the spring. My plan is to be able to sell this house for twice what I paid for it by putting another $10,000 into it.
Trump's not going to lower the minimum wage. I'll be able to work any near minimum wage shit job out there and continue to pay my bills and fund my house project.
As long as I don't go back to drinking, I'm going to be just fine whoever is president. That's all on me.
I don't give two shits about money beyond what I need to survive. You're making the wrong argument to the wrong guy here buddy.
What I'm tired of is the nanny state, the censorship, the cultural appropriation, the PC bullshit, and having to hear every day about what an awful person I am because I'm a white dude. I'm tired of the Legacy Media lying through its teeth everyday and getting pissed off that everybody isn't buying their shit anymore. I'm tired about hearing that they're going to give free healthcare to non-citizens while 35 Million US citizens don't have healthcare. I'm tired of hearing that they're going to pay for kids college with middle class tax dollars instead of fixing the problems with the system that got us here in the first place.
Democrats offer me nothing, and want to take from everybody I know and care about. Not me, of course. I have nothing to take.
Democrats are shit.
But win or lose, my life isn't made any easier. I got myself in this mess. It's on me to get myself out of it.
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Only 2,000 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002780
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Republicans attempt to move impeachment inquiry away from Trump
House Republicans on Saturday pressed ahead with their efforts to move the impeachment inquiry away from President Trump, calling on Democrats to add witnesses to the probe including former vice president Joe Biden’s son and the whistleblower whose initial complaint kicked off the investigation.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-attempt-to-move-im
peachment-inquiry-away-from-trump/ar-BBWw1gH?ocid=spartandhp
First, for the republicans to get what they want, the White house has to cooperate. Since that isn’t happening, Adam Schiff will not let any attempts by the republicans to deflect succeed.
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Giuliani Associate Says He Gave Demand for Biden Inquiry to Ukrainians
Not long before the Ukrainian president was inaugurated in May, an associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani’s journeyed to Kiev to deliver a warning to the country’s new leadership, a lawyer for the associate said.
The associate, Lev Parnas, told a representative of the incoming government that it had to announce an investigation into Mr. Trump’s political rival, Joseph R. Biden Jr., and his son, or else Vice President Mike Pence would not attend the swearing-in of the new president, and the United States would freeze aid, the lawyer said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/giuliani-associate-says-he-gav
e-demand-for-biden-inquiry-to-ukrainians/ar-BBWyDlg?ocid=spartandhp
As much as jack kiki and sig try and change the subject, the truth of it is Trump attempted to bribe and extort a foreign leader for his own personal gain.
Don't think for a minute, that when Giuliani heard this that he didn't know unless he does something fast he is going to jail.
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Not trying to change the subject.
Just saying that you're wrong, and time will prove me right again.
Just like it always has with every single interaction we've ever had.
I'm patient. I love watching you make an ass of yourself in the meantime.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Deflection......seems to be the theme of the Right Wing, Ultra-conservatives
who have swallowed, no gulped, the kool-aid. No matter, this is definitely going to get interesting.
Funny thing though, when did all of you trade in your patriotism? Seems as though down is up, right is left, sky is black, Led Zep plays classical music,
Trump is smart, girls are boys, etc. Law abiding citizens, soldiers who actually serve the country and firefighters in California are the ones setting the fires.
If we go by that logic, then the boos at the World Series game were really enormous applause, like the best ever. Yeah, continuing with that frame of mind - Trump IS the best, Ivanka could attest to that.
sgg
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not trying to change the subject.
Just saying that you're wrong, and time will prove me right again.
Just like it always has with every single interaction we've ever had.
I'm patient. I love watching you make an ass of yourself in the meantime.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I love it when a plan comes together.
Seth Meyers, so good!
SGG
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Quote:I am not impressed with Democrats, either. They talk too much as a low energy substitute for the exertion of doing. I am sure that Trump won't sign a bill in the next 5 years raising the minimum wage. That is a reason to be rid of him. Democrats actually would increase wages. But they can't as long as there are 41 GOP Senators and one Trump.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump's not going to lower the minimum wage. I'll be able to work any near minimum wage shit job out there and continue to pay my bills and fund my house project.
Democrats are shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
https://raisetheminimumwage.com/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Exactly SGG, patriotism takes a back seat to supporting a lying con.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Deflection......seems to be the theme of the Right Wing, Ultra-conservatives
who have swallowed, no gulped, the kool-aid. No matter, this is definitely going to get interesting.
Funny thing though, when did all of you trade in your patriotism? Seems as though down is up, right is left, sky is black, Led Zep plays classical music,
Trump is smart, girls are boys, etc. Law abiding citizens, soldiers who actually serve the country and firefighters in California are the ones setting the fires.
If we go by that logic, then the boos at the World Series game were really enormous applause, like the best ever. Yeah, continuing with that frame of mind - Trump IS the best, Ivanka could attest to that.
sggQuote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not trying to change the subject.
Just saying that you're wrong, and time will prove me right again.
Just like it always has with every single interaction we've ever had.
I'm patient. I love watching you make an ass of yourself in the meantime.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Only 2,000 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002780
Chief Justice John Roberts, who's clashed with Trump, would oversee impeachment trial
If President Donald Trump faces an impeachment trial in the U.S. Senate, it would mark the third time in history a U.S. Supreme Court chief justice would have to preside over the affair -- but the first time for one who has clashed openly with the very president whose fate hangs in the balance.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chief-justice-john-roberts-who
s-clashed-with-trump-would-oversee-impeachment-trial/ar-BBWAmGh?ocid=spartandhp
You really should leave the basement jsf and read a newspaper. You are way out of touch.
Now pay attention folks. This means Roberts will have to allow for the Senate to acquit in the face of overwhelming evidence. I can't wait to see how that goes over with him. I can't wait to see if he'll allow Republicans to badger witnesses.
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Originally posted by THG:
Exactly SGG, patriotism takes a back seat to supporting a lying con.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Deflection......seems to be the theme of the Right Wing, Ultra-conservatives
who have swallowed, no gulped, the kool-aid. No matter, this is definitely going to get interesting.
Funny thing though, when did all of you trade in your patriotism? Seems as though down is up, right is left, sky is black, Led Zep plays classical music,
Trump is smart, girls are boys, etc. Law abiding citizens, soldiers who actually serve the country and firefighters in California are the ones setting the fires.
If we go by that logic, then the boos at the World Series game were really enormous applause, like the best ever. Yeah, continuing with that frame of mind - Trump IS the best, Ivanka could attest to that.
sggQuote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not trying to change the subject.
Just saying that you're wrong, and time will prove me right again.
Just like it always has with every single interaction we've ever had.
I'm patient. I love watching you make an ass of yourself in the meantime.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Dude...
What you fail to understand is all of those questions you're asking me are the very same questions I'm asking you.
I don't understand where you are coming from at all. It's like we're watching two entirely different movies play out here.
I haven't changed at all. The Democrats and the Republicans have over the last 10 years.
Democrats are now the party of pro war, pro censorship, and absolute moralism. They have become everything I hated about the Republican party from the GWB era all the way back to the early 80's when I was growing up.
And, BTW, not sure if you knew it, but the post you quoted here was directed at the idiot T. I know you just can't help yourself, but I do try not to be an asshole when I talk to you.
Have a nice day. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Former U.S. top diplomat Rice concerned by shadow diplomacy on Ukraine
(Reuters) - Condoleezza Rice, a secretary of state under Republican President George W. Bush, said on Monday reports of an unofficial U.S. policy being carried out in Ukraine were "deeply troubling."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-us-top-diplomat-rice-co
ncerned-by-shadow-diplomacy-on-ukraine/ar-BBWB8rS?ocid=spartanntp
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Condi, Condi, Condi ... if she isn't a whore of the deep state I don't know who is.
I saw her on Firing Line a couple months back, and the self-justifying bullshit that came out of her mouth should have made her feel at least a little embarrassed.
She's got about as much credibility as Hillary.
A billion flies eat shit.
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Let's start a new game! It's called 'Count THUGGER's lies!'
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Quote:I count 5 lies.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I see you too think it is OK to quote something after changing the content, and therefor its context, very sad. What I meant by wrong was your input about Burnie, and I stated as much. There was a big stink about what the DNC did to him, and still is. That's only a difference of opinion.
Second, I voted for Hilary because and only because, Trump was a nightmare.
And lastly, Some of your post, especially the first part, was as though you were speaking to a post gone by and not what you quoted. Sort of like posting a picture after what's posted above that does nothing but confuse.
You take offense way to easily and it shows in the way you responded to me.
The Reaper yes. I saw what was going on in Real World Thread and was pushed to be very clear. Truth will be met with truth, and that I would respond to trolls harshly. That's because with my very first post came the attacks and his friends followed suite
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Quote:There are 3 lies here.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
It depends on what charge leads the way and how long it takes to compile a case. I think it will most likely be corruption charges. Perhaps tax fraud or money laundering. Trumps actions have allowed for the investigation to go anywhere Trump exhibited questionable behavior. Do you remember Ken Starr? The Clinton investigation started out looking into a real estate deal. Clinton wound up being impeached for lying about an affair.
Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime. Are you willing to put money on that?
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Quote:3 lies here as well.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Stupid is as stupid does JS. Your logic suggests Trump can do whatever he wants. Break any laws he choses because fools like you can't sort out what Trump does from what the Clintons did. I shouldn't have to inform an adult of this but apparently in your case, as with others here, I must.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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There’s a Surprisingly Plausible Path to Removing Trump From Office
It would take just three Republican senators to turn the impeachment vote into a secret ballot. It’s not hard to imagine what would happen then.
By JULEANNA GLOVER, November 12, 2019
Juleanna Glover has worked as an adviser for several Republican politicians, including George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft and Rudy Giuliani, and advised the presidential campaigns of John McCain and Jeb Bush.
It’s true that none of the previous Senate impeachments have been conducted via secret ballot. But the Senate’s role in an impeachment is analogous to a U.S. jury, where secret ballots are often used. When Electoral College gridlock has resulted in the House picking the president — the House elected Thomas Jefferson in 1800 and John Quincy Adams in 1824 — that vote has been secret. And, of course, when citizens vote for president, they do so in private.
Trump and those around him seem confident that he won’t lose the 20 Republican senators needed to block a guilty verdict. But it’s not hard to imagine three senators supporting a secret ballot. Five sitting Republican senators have already announced their retirements; four of those are in their mid-70s or older and will never run for office again. They might well be willing to demand secrecy in order to give cover to their colleagues who would like to convict Trump but are afraid to do so because of politics in their home districts. There are also 10 Republican senators who aren’t up for reelection until 2024 and who might figure Trumpism will be irrelevant by then. Senators Mitt Romney and Lisa Murkowski have been the most vocal Republicans in expressing concerns about Trump’s behavior toward Ukraine. Other GOP senators have recently softened in their defense of him, as well—all before the House has held any public hearings.
GOP strategist Mike Murphy said recently that a sitting Republican senator had told him 30 of his colleagues would vote to convict Trump if the ballot were secret. Former Senator Jeff Flake topped that, saying he thought 35 Republican senators would vote that way.
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WH plans "aggressive" strategy for open impeachment hearings
President Trump is expected to watch some of the impeachment inquiry hearings on TV Wednesday, White House officials told CBS News, and staff will be set up to "react in real time" with a "rapid response."
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The March of the Wooden Soldiers....all those Republican officials, and the assholes sucking Trump's dick, are in for a big surprise. Well, I say fuck 'em all. Serves 'em right!
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WH plans "aggressive" strategy for open impeachment hearings
President Trump is expected to watch some of the impeachment inquiry hearings on TV Wednesday, White House officials told CBS News, and staff will be set up to "react in real time" with a "rapid response."
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Three years into his eight year term in office, why does Trump still run a international real estate operation when that conflicts with American foreign policy? What happened to the blind trust that Trump promised, but never delivered, to handle these conflicts of interest between Trump's family business and Trump's foreign policy? For one example, why did protecting Trump Towers Istanbul take precedence over the Syrian Kurds? We will never know because Trump will say he did not think about his portfolio in Turkey when he made his decisions about Turkey. And the Senate will let Trump get away with that conflict of interest.
Trump Assets are in a Revocable, Not Blind, Trust
www.voanews.com/usa/report-trump-assets-revocable-not-blind-trust
Many U.S. presidents have placed their financial holdings in a blind trust that is managed by a trustee without any input from the president. This arrangement is believed to help the president avoid any conflicts of interest between his finances and issues that come across his desk. Donald Trump, however, has avoided calls for him to sell his assets or place them in a blind trust.
The key to the success of a blind trust is that you can, as a public official, make choices that won't have the appearance of being influenced by your holdings - you don't know what those holdings are. Transferring control of the assets solves one problem (management) but doesn't change the fact that Trump still knows what he owns. He knows how his actions, as President, can affect his business interests even if he's no longer in charge. That isn't a problem you can solve by simply turning over the keys.
www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2017/01/12/whats-a-blind-trust-a
nyway-and-why-wont-it-work-for-president-elect-trump/
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Quote:... it's a fantasy of yours, concocted out of hot air.
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For one example, why did protecting Trump Towers Istanbul take precedence over the Syrian Kurds? We will never know because ...
And linking a story that has nothing to do with Trump Towers doesn't make you look honest.
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Quote:1kiki, Trump spun around on the weekend when Turkey came calling about Syria. Trump caught everybody at the Pentagon by surprise when he announced he was moving troops without any explanation of why it is suddenly an emergency. The "why" is his Turkish real estate. He'll deny it, but who believes him? Trump does this kind of emergency spin all the time. For example: Trump suggested he did nothing wrong because Ukraine ultimately received the aid he withheld. But that talking point ignores the fact that aid was only released after the CIA’s top lawyer reportedly made a criminal referral to the DOJ about the July Trump-Zelensky phone call and on the same day House Democrats announced they were opening an inquiry into the matter. If you get caught robbing a bank and decide to leave the cash and make a break for it, that doesn’t mean you didn’t do anything wrong.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:... it's a fantasy of yours, concocted out of hot air.
Originally posted by second:
For one example, why did protecting Trump Towers Istanbul take precedence over the Syrian Kurds? We will never know because ...
And linking a story that has nothing to do with Trump Towers doesn't make you look honest.
www.vox.com/2019/11/13/20962774/trump-impeachment-hearings-fox-news-bi
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Trump's been saying we need to stay out of Syria since 2013; and saying we need to get out of Syria for nearly 2 years.
https://www.npr.org/2017/04/04/522627064/on-the-record-president-trump
-vs-private-citizen-trump-on-syria
On The Record: President Trump Vs. Private Citizen Trump On Syria
Trump's criticism of Obama's policy on Syria goes back to 2013. A private citizen at that time, he argued that the U.S. should not get involved in the conflict.
Trump to Withdraw U.S. Forces From Syria, Declaring ‘We Have Won Against ISIS’
Dec. 19, 2018
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/trump-syria-turkey-troo
p-withdrawal.html
The 'intelligence arm' of covert ops, the warhwaks in the State Department, and the military have been countermanding, derailing, and slow-walking Trump's Syria policies his whole administration. (Why do you think he sent Barr and Giuliani all around the globe to do what he was telling his admin to do - to no avail?*)
And while you have literally NOTHING to support your fantasies about a conversation you know absolutely nothing about, I can tell you these FACTS: 1) the very week Turkey and Russia announced that Turkey was going to join Russia's SPFS (SWIFT alternative) Turkey started massing troops on the Syrian border, and 2) the very week the SPFS link-up was connected and tested, Erdogan and Trump talked on the phone.
AT THE TIME, there were somewhat less than 50 US troops in the area of concern. I think w/out the non-military SWIFT bludgeon, Trump had few options left. AFAIK there were 2 choices - increase troops and enter a full-on war with Turkey, or get out of the way.
(*ETA: Do you remember the big hue and cry when Trump gutted the State Department early in his admin? I do. He knew there was a whole cadre of people committed to a Deep State agenda THAT DIDN'T MATCH HIS OWN. Yanno, the Deep State's - RUSSIA!! the bogeyman agenda, the Ukraine proxy-war agenda, the Syria proxy-war agenda ... The problem is, he didn't go deep enough at State, or wide enough to encompass the intel agencies and the Pentagon.)
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There’s a Surprisingly Plausible Path to Removing Trump From Office
It would take just three Republican senators to turn the impeachment vote into a secret ballot. It’s not hard to imagine what would happen then.
By JULEANNA GLOVER, November 12, 2019
Juleanna Glover has worked as an adviser for several Republican politicians, including George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft and Rudy Giuliani, and advised the presidential campaigns of John McCain and Jeb Bush.
It’s true that none of the previous Senate impeachments have been conducted via secret ballot. But the Senate’s role in an impeachment is analogous to a U.S. jury, where secret ballots are often used. When Electoral College gridlock has resulted in the House picking the president — the House elected Thomas Jefferson in 1800 and John Quincy Adams in 1824 — that vote has been secret. And, of course, when citizens vote for president, they do so in private.
Trump and those around him seem confident that he won’t lose the 20 Republican senators needed to block a guilty verdict. But it’s not hard to imagine three senators supporting a secret ballot. Five sitting Republican senators have already announced their retirements; four of those are in their mid-70s or older and will never run for office again. They might well be willing to demand secrecy in order to give cover to their colleagues who would like to convict Trump but are afraid to do so because of politics in their home districts. There are also 10 Republican senators who aren’t up for reelection until 2024 and who might figure Trumpism will be irrelevant by then. Senators Mitt Romney and Lisa Murkowski have been the most vocal Republicans in expressing concerns about Trump’s behavior toward Ukraine. Other GOP senators have recently softened in their defense of him, as well—all before the House has held any public hearings.
GOP strategist Mike Murphy said recently that a sitting Republican senator had told him 30 of his colleagues would vote to convict Trump if the ballot were secret. Former Senator Jeff Flake topped that, saying he thought 35 Republican senators would vote that way.
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There should NEVER be a secret ballot.
Please take five seconds to think about how you'd feel if the opposing side was doing something before you agree with anybody on your side that said something is a good idea.
We'd probably cut the arguments in the RWED by half if any one of you nitwits did that.
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Specifically, there's nothing like doing things in secret to avoid having to answer to your voters.
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Under normal circumstances, that should go without saying.
But it's probably not a bad idea to clarify my point.
Good lookin' out.
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Under normal circumstances, that should go without saying.
But it's probably not a bad idea to clarify my point.
Good lookin' out.
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Liberals need to have things splained to them. In detail. Over and over.
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Only 1,995 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002780
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Oil up the Guillotine, it's Miller Time!
Pull up a chair boys the real fun is about to start.
Taylor testifies that "Jumbo" Sondland called Chump from a restaurant in Kyiv, Ukraine, from a cell phone no less. An unsecured line.
A total and complete FUBAR (or is it?) that you just can't make up. Sondland may be looking at perjury charges in his future. The Russian KGB surely has
sophisticated listening devices that can capture cell phone chatter. So, he is either stupid or doesn't care.
Chump was overheard asking Sondland about the "investigations" and Jumbo says, to a Taylor staff person, that Chump only cares about the probe. Here's thye best part...Repugs keep insisting that Chump cares about corruption in Ukraine, but makes no mention of it in "the transcript." Funny, shouldn't you talk about corruption if that's your claim?
This shit just keeps getting better; and there's this:
Jim Jordan tearing into the Dems...
You can't write this stuff fast enough!
Wow!
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Trump Directed Diplomat to Ask Ukraine to Probe Biden in Overheard Cellphone Call.
In a jaw-dropping operational security lapse, President Donald Trump discussed his demand for Ukraine to open investigations of Joe Biden and other Democrats in a cellphone conversation with an American diplomat who was in a restaurant in Ukraine at the time, the House impeachment inquiry was told on Wednesday.
During that call with Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Trump spoke so loudly about “the investigations” that someone in the restaurant who was not on the phone could hear his words, according to Bill Taylor, the senior American diplomat in Ukraine.
It is highly likely that others were listening too. Russia’s intelligence services have previously demonstrated the capability to intercept the phone calls of American diplomats in Ukraine and make recordings that can be used to compromise or embarrass those officials.
After the call, Taylor said, “The member of my staff asked Ambassador Sondland what President Trump thought of Ukraine. Ambassador Sondland responded that President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden, which Giuliani was pressing for.”
https://theintercept.com/2019/11/13/trump-discussed-demand-biden-probe
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Quote:1) Trump has Trump Towers Istanbul.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And while you have literally NOTHING to support your fantasies about a conversation you know absolutely nothing about, I can tell you these FACTS:
All other Presidents place their property into a blind trust, even if that means selling the property, because they didn't want to lose their property to a foreign government. No other President would be stupid enough to being doing business in Turkey and negotiating with Turkey.
"Trump Has a Massive Conflict of Interest in Turkey"
www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/reminder-trump-has-a-massive-conf
lict-of-interest-in-turkey/
2) Trump had Erdogan as his guest, yesterday, in the White House. Only last month, Trump made vast and violent threats to destroy Turkey's economy when Erdogan invaded Syria. But Erdogan carried forward his plans in Syria, completely unchanged. I guess what Trump meant was that if Erdogan changed his plans in Syria, Trump would destroy Turkey, but luckily Erdogan did not and, therefore, become a White House guest. And Trump gets to keep Trump Towers Istanbul.
"Trump says he's prepared to 'swiftly destroy' Turkey's economy if its leaders continue 'this dangerous and destructive path' in Syria; US troops are being shifted from Syria to Iraq, Kuwait, maybe Jordan."
www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-10-15/trump-imposes-sanctions-
on-turkey-threatens-its-economy
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Ambassador’s cellphone call to Trump from Kyiv restaurant was a stunning breach of security, former officials say
A U.S. ambassador’s cellphone call to President Trump from a restaurant in the capital of Ukraine this summer was a stunning breach of security, exposing the conversation to surveillance by foreign intelligence services, including Russia’s, former U.S. officials said.
The call — in which Trump’s remarks were overheard by a U.S. Embassy staffer in Kyiv — was disclosed Wednesday by the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, William B. Taylor Jr., on the dramatic opening day of public impeachment hearings into alleged abuse of power by the president.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ambassadors-cellphone-call-to-
trump-from-kyiv-restaurant-was-a-stunning-breach-of-security-former-officials-say/ar-BBWIh4E?ocid=spartanntp
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Originally posted by second:Quote:1) Trump has Trump Towers Istanbul.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And while you have literally NOTHING to support your fantasies about a conversation you know absolutely nothing about, I can tell you these FACTS:
All other Presidents place their property into a blind trust, even if that means selling the property, because they didn't want to lose their property to a foreign government. No other President would be stupid enough to being doing business in Turkey and negotiating with Turkey.
"Trump Has a Massive Conflict of Interest in Turkey"
www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/reminder-trump-has-a-massive-conf
lict-of-interest-in-turkey/
2) Trump had Erdogan as his guest, yesterday, in the White House. Only last month, Trump made vast and violent threats to destroy Turkey's economy when Erdogan invaded Syria. But Erdogan carried forward his plans in Syria, completely unchanged. I guess what Trump meant was that if Erdogan changed his plans in Syria, Trump would destroy Turkey, but luckily Erdogan did not and, therefore, become a White House guest. And Trump gets to keep Trump Towers Istanbul.
"Trump says he's prepared to 'swiftly destroy' Turkey's economy if its leaders continue 'this dangerous and destructive path' in Syria; US troops are being shifted from Syria to Iraq, Kuwait, maybe Jordan."
www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-10-15/trump-imposes-sanctions-
on-turkey-threatens-its-economy
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That reads to me that he was willing to watch some of his buildings get bombed.
Yer point?
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The Seven Ways Wednesday’s Hearing Clarified Trump’s Real Motives
1. The consistency question. One measure of the president’s sincerity is whether he demands investigations of corruption everywhere it exists, or only in Ukraine. In the hearing, Republicans failed to name any other country in which Trump has applied such pressure. Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, an Illinois Democrat, asked one of the witnesses, acting U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor, whether “irregular channels of diplomacy” like the one Trump deployed in Ukraine had been used by the administration anywhere else in the world. “I’ve not heard of any other separate channel that has this kind of influence,” said Taylor.
2. The reform gap. Taylor and George Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state responsible for Ukraine, testified that U.S. anti-corruption policy traditionally focuses on building honest institutions: police, investigators, prosecutors, and courts. Kent described specific steps to advance this mission in Ukraine. Republicans offered no evidence that Trump ever expressed interest in these steps. Rep. Adam Schiff, the committee’s Democratic chairman, noted that Trump, in his call with Zelensky, never mentioned the principal reforms in Ukraine: “setting up an anti-corruption court or looking into corruption among oligarchs or companies in general.” Schiff pointed out that Trump instead pressed Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and other Democrats. Kent confirmed this account of the call.
3. The Yovanovich ouster. Kent testified that Marie Yovanovitch—the U.S. ambassador Trump removed from Kyiv after she opposed the partisan meddling of Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani—had fought resolutely against corruption in Ukraine. Republicans didn’t even try to present a more charitable explanation for her removal. Instead, Republican Rep. John Ratcliffe of Texas argued that “all ambassadors serve at the pleasure of the president” and that it wasn’t an abuse of power “to remove an ambassador for political reasons because you don’t like what they’re doing.” This line of argument all but concedes Trump’s crooked motives.
4. The Pentagon certification. Republican Rep. Chris Stewart of Utah said the president was entitled to suspend aid to Ukraine based on the National Defense Authorization Act. “Availability of funds under assistance to the Ukraine—it has to be certified,” Stewart observed, quoting the law. “And what has to be certified? Quote, ‘For the purposes of decreasing corruption.’ ” But Kent pointed out that “the secretary of defense had already certified that that conditionality had been met.” By ignoring this certification, Trump proved his talk of corruption was insincere.
Three more ways at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/wednesday-impeachment-hear
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AP source: 2nd US official heard Trump call with Sondland
WASHINGTON (AP) — A second U.S. Embassy staffer in Kyiv overheard a cellphone call between President Donald Trump and his ambassador to the European Union discussing a need for Ukrainian officials to pursue “investigations,” The Associated Press has learned.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-source-2nd-us-official-hear
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State Dept. watchdog: Official's firing was case of political retaliation
A career State Department employee was forced out of her job on baseless accusations that she opposed President Trump, was loyal to the Obama administration and was guilty of compromised objectivity due to her Iranian ethnicity, according to an inspector general report released Thursday.
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Just wondering if you guys and gals are going to admit you're wrong this time when it's all done or are we just going to forget this whole thing happened too and sweep it under the rug like everything else.
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So, you're talking about right and wrong!? Hmmmmm
Here's the thing: Impeaching this orange turd MUST be done. Now, I know and you know that the republicans in the senate will suck trump's dick 'til the bitter end. That's a given.
But will I ever admit that I was wrong about removing the scumbag from office?
In a word: No.
Why? There is no wrong in what I believe this sick fuck has done since entering office. You think he's a "very fine person" - that is your right.
Me!? I do not!
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Just wondering if you guys and gals are going to admit you're wrong this time when it's all done or are we just going to forget this whole thing happened too and sweep it under the rug like everything else.
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Yeah. Well, you know, that's just like your opinion, man.
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Career White House budget official expected to break ranks, testify in impeachment inquiry
A longtime career employee at the White House Office of Management and Budget is expected to break ranks and testify Saturday in the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry, potentially filling in important details on the holdup of military aid to Ukraine.
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Quote:I dunno. Does Mali have a history of having interfered in the 2016 election?
Originally posted by SLOPPY:
The Seven Ways Wednesday’s Hearing Clarified Trump’s Real Motives
1. The consistency question. One measure of the president’s sincerity is whether he demands investigations of corruption everywhere it exists, or only in Ukraine.
Quote:But then, both Kent and Taylor also admitted that the President has the right to ask the President of another country to assist in an ongoing investigation of a US citizen.
2. The reform gap. Taylor and George Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state responsible for Ukraine, testified that U.S. anti-corruption policy traditionally focuses on building honest institutions: police, investigators, prosecutors, and courts. Kent described specific steps to advance this mission in Ukraine.
Quote:And yet, again, they both admitted the President has the right to recall any ambassador, at any time, for any reason.
3. The Yovanovich ouster. Kent testified that Marie Yovanovitch—the U.S. ambassador Trump removed from Kyiv after she opposed the partisan meddling of Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani—had fought resolutely against corruption in Ukraine.
Quote:So?
4. The Pentagon certification.
Why'd you post only a few?
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And while you have literally NOTHING to support your fantasies about a conversation you know absolutely nothing about, I can tell you these FACTS:
Quote:So? Did he recently acquire them? Did he recently move them there? Why do YOU fantasize they suddenly became an urgent problem?
Originally posted by SLOPPY?:
1) Trump has Trump Towers Istanbul.
Quote:And Trump put sanctions on Turkey, then quickly withdrew them - lest it become OBVIOUS that Turkey had slipped the 'sanctions' chain by joining the SPFS (SWIFT alternative).
2) Trump had Erdogan as his guest, yesterday, in the White House. Only last month, Trump made vast and violent threats to destroy Turkey's economy when Erdogan invaded Syria. But Erdogan carried forward his plans in Syria, completely unchanged.
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Career White House budget official expected to break ranks, testify in impeachment inquiry
A longtime career employee at the White House Office of Management and Budget is expected to break ranks and testify Saturday in the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry, potentially filling in important details on the holdup of military aid to Ukraine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/career-white-house-budget-offi
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This article might be record breaking ANON.
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A senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity...
...people familiar with the matter said...
The people spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.
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You won't have to worry about it. Impeachment isn't going to happen.
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My only question is: how much bigger will the crowds be at his impeachment than at his inauguration?
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Where are we at on that Countdown Clock btw...?
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You won't have to worry about it. Impeachment isn't going to happen.
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Well... he still hasn't been impeached yet.
We're in the inquiry phase, which try not to forget, Trump forced Nancy Pelosi to formally begin.
Meanwhile, nothing happened so far. Still waiting for one of those bombshells the Legacy Media loves to talk about. This is starting to look more like Clinton Impeachment 2: Partisan Boogaloo.
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The elephant in the room is below. As it just did with Roger Stone, Trumps comeuppance is coming due. The Trumpets need to remember. It isn't just getting through this latest challenge for Trump. It's about getting through them all.
tick tock Trumpets, tick tock. Mueller is still in the room people.
US President Donald Trump faces 17 separate known investigations from at least seven different prosecutors, many led by Robert Mueller, but not all.
The World
December 24, 2018 · 4:00 PM EST
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Yeah. But meanwhile, nothing has actually happened in the last few days, and at 44.4% on the aggregate, Trump's Job Approval is now dangerously close to being higher than it has been for a year.
44.4% is only 1% lower than Barack Obama was at the exact same time of the first term of his presidency, and Obama wasn't in the midst of an impeachment inquiry or a 3 year campaign by the Legacy Media attempting to discredit him 24/7 with baseless smears and hoaxes. Quite the contrary, the LM was kissing his ass that entire time.
If that 44.4% were to hold out for another day, it would be .3% less than Obama at the same time. If it holds out for 2 more days, it will be .8% more than Obama at the same time. Of course, if Trump's numbers continue to improve, those numbers look even better for him.
45% is basically a lock for re-election in any scenario. They better pull something huge out of their ass out of all of this, or that number will only continue to climb. Possibly in the realm of 50%.
Anything happening to Roger Stone doesn't matter. Nobody is going to shed a tear for that dude.
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44.4% - Hmmmm, pretty popular. Which poll is this Six? Cause if it's from the "Legacy" media, wouldn't that constitute a conflict of interest on your part?
Just sayin'
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Yeah. But meanwhile, nothing has actually happened in the last few days, and at 44.4% on the aggregate, Trump's Job Approval is now dangerously close to being higher than it has been for a year.
44.4% is only 1% lower than Barack Obama was at the exact same time of the first term of his presidency, and Obama wasn't in the midst of an impeachment inquiry or a 3 year campaign by the Legacy Media attempting to discredit him 24/7 with baseless smears and hoaxes. Quite the contrary, the LM was kissing his ass that entire time.
If that 44.4% were to hold out for another day, it would be .3% less than Obama at the same time. If it holds out for 2 more days, it will be .8% more than Obama at the same time. Of course, if Trump's numbers continue to improve, those numbers look even better for him.
45% is basically a lock for re-election in any scenario. They better pull something huge out of their ass out of all of this, or that number will only continue to climb. Possibly in the realm of 50%.
Anything happening to Roger Stone doesn't matter. Nobody is going to shed a tear for that dude.
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Anything happening to Roger Stone doesn't matter. Nobody is going to shed a tear for that dude.
Whenever a little fish gets caught, you then look to catch the next one until all the little fish are gone, and all that's left is the big one.
Funny how these little fish are swimming in the same pond as the big fish, but the big one keeps escaping getting hooked. Somehow, I think, that won't be the case for too much further.
Let the "turd" hunt continue.
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Anything happening to Roger Stone doesn't matter. Nobody is going to shed a tear for that dude.
Whenever a little fish gets caught, you then look to catch the next one until all the little fish are gone, and all that's left is the big one.
Funny how these little fish are swimming in the same pond as the big fish, but the big one keeps escaping getting hooked. Somehow, I think, that won't be the case for too much further.
Let the "turd" hunt continue.
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Dude. I, personally, lived through that in Illinois. I lost the best job of my life at 20 years old when my boss and owner of the company was in the chain of fish that was an effort to oust corrupt Governor George Ryan from office. It was a massive success, if you didn't count the thousands, perhaps 10's of thousands of lives that were negatively impacted right before 9/11 when the economy really started to go into a nosedive that it has never fully recovered from since.
Then what did they do?
They replaced him with corrupt Governor Rod Blagojevich who did virtually the same goddamned thing that Ryan was ousted for.
Not that it is ever going to happen. Emphasis on EVER. And I obviously do not share any of your negative opinions that you hold about Trump...
But for a minute let's just say that I was completely on board with it all and fighting right along side of you here. I'm honestly wondering if you really believe that a successful removal of Trump from office is going to change a single thing in the long haul.
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44.4% - Hmmmm, pretty popular. Which poll is this Six?
I said an aggregate, which is a combination of a recent series of polls. I use the RCP aggregate whenever I look at polling data.
Here's Trump's aggregate, between July 1st and December 31st of 2019: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_app
roval-6179.html
Here's Obama's, between July 1st and December 31st of 2011: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_app
roval-1044.html
[EDIT: It occurs to me that you probably have to put in the dates yourself. RCP is frequently updating all of its polling data and constantly refreshing the site. The dates can be entered in the bottom of the graph for you to make any comparisons you'd like between any candidates that you'd wish to compare. It doesn't look as though you can share exact date ranges with others via a link and you would have to take screenshots and upload the pictures somewhere if you wanted to do that directly. Easy enough to do on your own though. Just had to apologize that I can't give you links to the specific dates because of how the site is designed is all.]
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Cause if it's from the "Legacy" media, wouldn't that constitute a conflict of interest on your part?
Just sayin'
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One would assume that it would, if they didn't read that when I speak of the polls I always say that they have an intentional agenda and bias in their obviously flawed methodology that you can find yourself if you look into the methodology of the polls themselves and you're being completely honest with yourself.
No. I don't for a second believe that Trump's approval is only 44% right now. It is higher than that, but the real proof of my belief here is not going to be realized until the results of the 2020 election. I'm a patient man. I can wait.
But what I've also said when using the aggregate of polls is that I do so to monitor changes and trends overall. This is the true value of any aggregate of historic polling data that RCP has collected over the years and continues to collect.
The actual number itself is not where the true meaning lies, and it doesn't even matter if it's true or not. It's just the base point to work off of. But when you monitor and track this data and you have that base point to work from, you can see the general trends of the past and of the future.
You can't really just look at a few days and say that something is working for or against somebody with them. You can get a pretty large gain or drop in a single day just by virtue of a single poll being updated with a wildly different number than the last time that poll came out.
You can, however, take a much longer segment of time and get a larger picture of things.
Trump seems to have made a relatively meaningful improvement back in May of 2018 that has kept him more or less at an average of 43.5% in the aggregate ever since, which would be around a full 2 percentage points of where he was in the six months preceeding May of 2018.
And 43/44%? Does it sound great? No. Not really. But that speaks more to the division across the nation than it does the President himself. During the last 6 months, despite all of the negative press and the bashing from Democrats, Trump and Obama have been going back and forth as to who has the higher approval rating on that same day of their respective presidencies.
I mean, look at Nancy Pelosi's aggregate: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/nancy_pelosi_favorableu
nfavorable-6673.html#polls
She wishes she could hold and maintain a 43/44% rating.
In the past 1 1/2 years I only count 10 out of hundreds of polls where she reached 43 and none of them were higher than 45. She's never come close in the last year and a half to the approval average that Trump currently holds, and right now, in the middle of an
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No. I don't for a second believe that Trump's approval is only 44% right now. It is higher than that, but the real proof of my belief here is not going to be realized until the results of the 2020 election. I'm a patient man. I can wait.
Ah, good. Then we shall see, won't we? I'll be the first to congratulate you (if I'm ever so lucky to be alive next year, so consider this THAT).
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If you're still alive, feel free to congratulate me for being right again. Don't congratulate me if Trump wins.
That's a win for all of us. :smoke:
What's with the "still alive" stuff man. Just asking because that's the type of shit I used to say when I was drinking.
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Democrats invite Trump to testify in impeachment inquiry
Pushing back against accusations from the president that the process has been stacked against him, Pelosi said Trump is welcome to appear or answer questions in writing, if he chooses.
Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer echoed that suggestion.
“If Donald Trump doesn’t agree with what he’s hearing, doesn’t like what he’s hearing, he shouldn’t tweet. He should come to the committee and testify under oath. And he should allow all those around him to come to the committee and testify under oath,” Schumer told reporters. He said the White House’s insistence on blocking witnesses from cooperating begs the question: “What is he hiding?”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-invite-trump-to-test
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tick tock
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It would be a far fairer process if republicans were allowed to call their own witnesses, or participate in the testimony script-writing going on behind closed doors.
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It's just a figure of speech Six. Remember, I don't drink. Stop listening to those fucking hags - Chlamydia Jane and SigSquatch.
IF Schlump wins, there'll be hell to pay and only a wretched few will benefit.
Mark my words. It will not be pretty, in fact it will be uglier than now.
This country has been going through a fundamental change that few have eyes to see it for what it is.
The filthy rich will get filthier and richer, while the common folk will be squeezed for every penny. Concentration camps will abound and flourish, no one will be spared. No more middle class, it's dying a slow painful death. There will be the super rich and everyone else on the bottom rung. The truth will be a faded dream, frayed and tattered, like the flag during the Revolutionary War.
America will be a mere shell of itself, and Trump's "people" will be driving it into the ground. China and Russia will be fighting for the leftovers, and for world domination.
Like it: It's from a book I'm writing - How America Became Great Again!
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If you're still alive, feel free to congratulate me for being right again. Don't congratulate me if Trump wins.
That's a win for all of us. :smoke:
What's with the "still alive" stuff man. Just asking because that's the type of shit I used to say when I was drinking.
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Ha! Now that's funny!
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It's just a figure of speech Six. Remember, I don't drink. Stop listening to those fucking hags - Chlamydia Jane and SigSquatch.
I'm not listening to anyone. I'm also not accusing you of drinking either. I was just honestly concerned about the way you worded that. I believe that sometime at the height (or low) of my drinking getting out of control that I said some stupid shit like I was going to kill myself if Hillary won. Until I managed to somehow "flip a switch" and get out of that horribly self-destructive pattern I was in, I was just looking for any old excuse to do it. If I wasn't telling people I was going to kill myself, I was telling them that I had a terminal illness.
If you say you're cool, you're cool. I won't read any deeper into it. Just be careful.
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IF Schlump wins, there'll be hell to pay and only a wretched few will benefit.
He will win. So I guess we'll see...
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Mark my words. It will not be pretty, in fact it will be uglier than now.
I don't doubt that.
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This country has been going through a fundamental change that few have eyes to see it for what it is.
Go on...
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The filthy rich will get filthier and richer, while the common folk will be squeezed for every penny.
Oh. You mean like they've been doing to us for two decades straight now on both sides?
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Concentration camps will abound and flourish, no one will be spared.
No they won't. We're not going to take any more illegals in though, and DACA will be ended, so no more anchor babies. GTFO, and good riddance.
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No more middle class, it's dying a slow painful death. There will be the super rich and everyone else on the bottom rung. The truth will be a faded dream, frayed and tattered, like the flag during the Revolutionary War.
Again. This isn't a Trump invention. The quality of life in America has been on a steep downward slope for two decades straight. Inflation essentially doubles the cost of goods and services over the course of 20 years. In that time period since 1999, wages have been completely flat-lined while natural inflation occurred, gas prices went up at a much faster rate due to outside influences and healthcare costs have spiraled out of control (hastened by the ACA, but by no means caused by it).
That being said, it could be argued that the economy has improved since Trump took office. I won't make that argument, since I believe that any positive thing that happens in our economy these days is just optics, and basing things around bubbles that just haven't burst yet. Our entire system from the DOW Jones to Insurance is just a bunch of Ponzi schemes.
But, at least for now, there are a lot more jobs out there than there were 5 years ago.
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America will be a mere shell of itself, and Trump's "people" will be driving it into the ground. China and Russia will be fighting for the leftovers, and for world domination.
It's already in the ground dude. Everything you're claiming will happen already has happened before Trump even took office.
And what do we do to right the ship? Nothing. We can't even be bothered to teach our kids the Metric System in school to prepare them for this Global Economy we made for ourselves. Sending out a bunch of retards into the world with their basic math skills stunted by an out of date and inferior system of math that makes them non-competitive in the marketplace.
We can't even be bothered to teach them a foreign language or two when they're young and would cling to it either. Anybody I've ever met online from other countries that don't speak English natively can read, write and speak at least basic English (even if things like idioms go over their heads).
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It would be a far fairer process if republicans were allowed to call their own witnesses, or participate in the testimony script-writing going on behind closed doors.
70% of Americans say Trump’s actions tied to Ukraine were wrong: POLL
An overwhelming 70% of Americans think President Donald Trump’s request to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival, which sits at the heart of the House of Representatives' impeachment inquiry, was wrong, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.
A slim majority of Americans, 51%, believe Trump’s actions were both wrong and he should be impeached and removed from office. But only 21% of Americans say they are following the hearings very closely.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/70percent-of-americans-say-tru
mps-actions-tied-to-ukraine-were-wrong-poll/ar-BBWWdEi?ocid=spartandhp
Stop being a troll comrade. Trump can testify any time he wishes. Trump can turn over the documents any time he wants. By the way, the hearing have just begun.
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Quote:It would be a far fairer process if Trump made his income tax returns available today rather than appealing to the Supreme Court.
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
It would be a far fairer process if republicans were allowed to call their own witnesses, or participate in the testimony script-writing going on behind closed doors.
www.thedailybeast.com/the-supreme-courts-coming-decisions-on-donald-tr
umps-taxes-could-be-bigger-than-impeachment
"There are some critical lessons here. Democrats, are you listening? The Nixon model shows you cannot put a time limit on impeachment."
"The Nixon investigation started out by looking at the Watergate burglary, and look what else they found over time. Illegal campaign contributions. Illegal wiretaps. Illegal break-ins." I would add tax cheating.
www.newsweek.com/professor-predicted-last-9-elections-trump-impeachmen
t-inevitable-1472310
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It would be a far fairer process if republicans were allowed to call their own witnesses, or participate in the testimony script-writing going on behind closed doors.
70% of Americans say Trump’s actions tied to Ukraine were wrong: POLL
An overwhelming 70% of Americans think President Donald Trump’s request to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival, which sits at the heart of the House of Representatives' impeachment inquiry, was wrong, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.
A slim majority of Americans, 51%, believe Trump’s actions were both wrong and he should be impeached and removed from office. But only 21% of Americans say they are following the hearings very closely.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/70percent-of-americans-say-tru
mps-actions-tied-to-ukraine-were-wrong-poll/ar-BBWWdEi?ocid=spartandhp
Stop being a troll comrade. Trump can testify any time he wishes. Trump can turn over the documents any time he wants. By the way, the hearing have just begun.
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ABC"news", huh?
Falsely claiming that a gun show footage from 10 years ago in Kentucky was a night attack on the Kurds ABC"news"?
Buried the Epstein story ABC"news"?
lol
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It would be a far fairer process if republicans were allowed to call their own witnesses, or participate in the testimony script-writing going on behind closed doors.
Quote:And a billion flies eat shit. Over 70% of American people were for the Iraq War, too. Just because a lot of people are for sometime doesn't make it good. And over 90% of American people believed Iraq had WMDs. Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it true.
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70% of Americans say Trump’s actions tied to Ukraine were wrong: POLL
A billion flies eat shit.
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... another deflection ...
A billion flies eat shit.
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How many times must kiki and others have it explained to them that one thing is not the same as another. This is not about what someone else did or did not do. This impeachment is about what Trump did.
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As House Dems’ kicked off their public impeachment hearings, Republicans and Trump’s allies at Fox News downplayed the bribery evidence calling it ‘uncompelling’ and an ‘endless parade of washed up bureaucrats.’
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Only 1,990 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002780
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Quote:But only 351 days from November 18, 2019 to November 3, 2020. Election Day. We might even get a look at Trump's tax returns before then. Maybe only page 1 and 2 of his form 1040. The first page is his income and the second page is his tax. He does not have to wait for the unbelievable "neverending audit" to conclude before sharing those two pages. That's only 16 sheets of paper, 8 sheets if printed double sided, for the last 8 years of his taxes.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Only 1,990 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002780
President Obama and Vice President Biden's 2015 Tax Returns -- APRIL 15, 2016
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2016/04/15/president-obama-a
nd-vice-president-bidens-2015-tax-returns
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A desperate attempt to distract, downplay and ridicule the Inquiry. Republicans have nothing substantive to go on, so they "pound the table"
in hopes that something, anything, will come to the fore.
Deflect and distract, that's the ticket.
Their aim is to continue fooling those 'poor unfortunate souls' that make up the Trumpsters/MAGA crowd. They have nothing, so it's going to be interesting
tomorrow morning. Pay not attention to the man behind the curtain, all you will see is an empty response with nothing to support it.
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Yup.
Another day of nothing happening.
*yawn*
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Originally posted by second:Quote:But only 351 days from November 18, 2019 to November 3, 2020. Election Day. We might even get a look at Trump's tax returns before then. Maybe only page 1 and 2 of his form 1040. The first page is his income and the second page is his tax. He does not have to wait for the unbelievable "neverending audit" to conclude before sharing those two pages. That's only 16 sheets of paper, 8 sheets if printed double sided, for the last 8 years of his taxes.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Only 1,990 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.
How exciting. 002780
President Obama and Vice President Biden's 2015 Tax Returns -- APRIL 15, 2016
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2016/04/15/president-obama-a
nd-vice-president-bidens-2015-tax-returns
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Yup.
Only there is no law saying that he has to share them with anybody.
Boo hoo.
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Quote:There might be a Supreme Court case covering that exact subject. Lower Courts keep ordering Trump to reveal his tax returns and Trump keeps bumping the case upward and delaying. While a candidate, Trump promised hundreds of times that he would reveal all his taxes. This has been in court because of those promises.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup.
Only there is no law saying that he has to share them with anybody.
Boo hoo.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Chief Justice John Roberts issued the order Monday, calling for a stay on a ruling from the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals that allowed for the House Oversight Committee to obtain the information from accounting firm Mazars USA. Roberts put the ruling on hold after Trump filed an application with the high court. The House had agreed for a temporary stay while they file briefs in the matter. The Supreme Court gave them until Nov. 21. The subpoena will remain blocked while the Supreme Court decides whether or not to hear the case.
www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-temporarily-blocks-release-of-t
rump-tax-returns
Then there is the part about millions of millionaires/billionaires realizing they can cheat on their taxes the same as Trump. That cheating, thanks to Trump's example, has cost the country an extra $trillion. When Trump is finally forced to pay, others will stop cheating.
www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/10/25/rising-national-debt-2019-us-b
udget-deficit-nearly-1-trillion/2458452001/
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Trump’s Retribution Against the Washington Post Owner Is His Gravest Abuse of Power
The saga of President Trump’s reprisals against Amazon has lurked on the margin of the news, largely overshadowed by the Ukraine scandal. Late Thursday night, Amazon revealed it had filed a protest in federal court of a Pentagon decision to deny it a $10 billion cloud-computing contract, the most recent piecemeal iteration of a saga that attracted precious little media attention even before the Ukraine scandal obscured it.
Yet the story here is almost certainly a massive scandal, probably more significant than the Ukraine scandal that spurred impeachment proceedings. Trump improperly used government policy to punish the owner of an independent newspaper as retribution for critical coverage. It resembles the Ukraine scandal because it is a flagrant abuse of power, and has been hiding in plain sight for months (as the Ukraine scandal did, until a whistle-blower report leaked in September). The scale of the abuse, though, is far more serious, because it is a concrete manifestation of Trump’s authoritarian ambitions.
Coverage of this story has implicitly extended Trump the benefit of the doubt by treating his hatred of Amazon’s owner and the Defense Department’s decision to spurn Amazon as presumably disconnected.
But the two are connected.
More at http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/trump-amazon-bezos-defense-clou
d-washington-post-pentagon-scandal.html
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Trump’s Retribution Against the Washington Post Owner Is His Gravest Abuse of Power
The saga of President Trump’s reprisals against Amazon has lurked on the margin of the news, largely overshadowed by the Ukraine scandal. Late Thursday night, Amazon revealed it had filed a protest in federal court of a Pentagon decision to deny it a $10 billion cloud-computing contract, the most recent piecemeal iteration of a saga that attracted precious little media attention even before the Ukraine scandal obscured it.
Yet the story here is almost certainly a massive scandal, probably more significant than the Ukraine scandal that spurred impeachment proceedings. Trump improperly used government policy to punish the owner of an independent newspaper as retribution for critical coverage. It resembles the Ukraine scandal because it is a flagrant abuse of power, and has been hiding in plain sight for months (as the Ukraine scandal did, until a whistle-blower report leaked in September). The scale of the abuse, though, is far more serious, because it is a concrete manifestation of Trump’s authoritarian ambitions.
Coverage of this story has implicitly extended Trump the benefit of the doubt by treating his hatred of Amazon’s owner and the Defense Department’s decision to spurn Amazon as presumably disconnected.
But the two are connected.
More at http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/trump-amazon-bezos-defense-clou
d-washington-post-pentagon-scandal.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
lol
Didn't figure it was long until the Democrat party came out to defend poor old Jeff Bezos.
Secretly, AOC is smiling about it.
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