Voter Fraud Proven
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I heard Investors Business Daily Editorial Page has a story.
I invite anybody to provide a linky.
State of Texas study showed that over 95,000 non-citizens were registered to vote, and over 58,000 of those non-citizens have Illegally Voted in at least one recent Election.
This means that Libtards define "none" and "never" as 58,000 - just in one State, a Red State.
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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/voter-fraud-texas-eviden
ce-non-citizens-voting/
Yeah. Saw that on Youtube a few days ago.
Found it pretty funny that although nearly 100k were registered to vote, only less than 60% of them turned out to actually vote.
I've got a few theories about that one.
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So.... I had some time to think about this. Keep in mind that until I know for sure that there actually were 95,000 people in Texas that were non-citizens that were registered, this is just spitballing theories.
You've got 95,000 people registered to vote, who had no business being registered. In light of that, only roughly 61% of them chose to actually vote in any elections.
Why would that be? Why would somebody in Texas who was living there illegally make the conscious decision sit at a DMV (or whichever government building they'd need to go without getting a licenses) and sit there for a few hours, likely sweating bullets the whole time, to obtain illegal voter registration that could potentially putting at risk themselves and their families to deportation to get a registration card that they wouldn't even use after the fact?
Now, why would 37,000 people do this?
I've got some first hand experience knowing what this must have felt like, if this is how it went down for all 95,000 people getting this registration. I used fake urine once before obtaining one of the highest paying jobs of my life. I had already been clean for over two months, but I knew what I had to lose if I failed that drug test, and I wasn't taking any chances. I had concocted a McGuyver style belt that held everything in place and kept everything body temperature and wouldn't be discovered. I'd been told by others that they didn't check your pockets anymore, but I wasn't taking any chances. It was a good thing I did this, because sure enough I had to empty my pockets and put everything in a lock box before I did my business. Then, when I used the stuff I freaked out and thought "No way is that passing for real urine". It was almost glowing.
My nerves were so rattled from that entire experience that I couldn't keep my hand from shaking when I had to sign the form. I look back and I'm still amazed that I had passed. That was one of the most stressful things I'd ever done in my life.
But I wasn't risking anything close to what they'd be risking to illegally obtain registration status. I would have lost a great job opportunity. They were risking having ICE break down their doors and round up their family for deportation, just to be able to vote.
No...
I don't imagine that's how it went down at all.
I'd bet a lot of these people weren't even aware that they were registered to vote, and it's possible that among the 37,000 that didn't vote there are quite a few who had explicitly said they didn't want to be signed up for it but were signed up anyhow when they were signing forms that they didn't read.
It's no secret that there are places out there that are very illegal immigrant friendly. Sometimes they're so bold about it as to label the entire area sanctuary cities.
My theory here is that somebody was helping these people cross the border, and when they got here they were set up for everything from housing, to an under the table job, government benefits, being registered to vote and then being Highly encouraged to go out and do so.
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if 37,000 people who didn't vote are regularly being harassed or even threatened now by the people who set them up.
It's just a theory, sure. But I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.
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That's why we need validated picture ID for voting. In fact, Venezuela has better voting than we do. The trick is to put the requirments in place at least four years before they come into effect. That gives the interested parties every opportunity to bird dog every indigent and illiterate and help them get the ID that they need.
It's no secret that Democrats benefit from illegals voting.
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Yeah but, I have some questions:
What method did the AG/SoS use to make the determination of voter fraud?
I would think that the country would be grateful for that information, so as
to use it to weed out voter fraud in their state.
How did these non-citizens get to vote or when were they exposed?
This is important. Because, let's say that while no one was looking they illegally filled out an application, then went to the polls to vote and illegally made it past the voter election workers, and then illegally voted
without any of those voter election workers checking their ID against the voter rolls.
(When I vote, they ask for my driver's license and check it against the voter election rolls. One time my name was missing - election officials error - but I was able to vote because I asked for a provisional ballot). Since then, no problem.
Here, this may answer some of my questions. Found this on You Tube.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I heard Investors Business Daily Editorial Page has a story.
I invite anybody to provide a linky.
State of Texas study showed that over 95,000 non-citizens were registered to vote, and over 58,000 of those non-citizens have Illegally Voted in at least one recent Election.
This means that Libtards define "none" and "never" as 58,000 - just in one State, a Red State.
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Quote:Have you left your brain somewhere in the cold?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So.... I had some time to think about this. Keep in mind that until I know for sure that there actually were 95,000 people in Texas that were non-citizens that were registered, this is just spitballing theories.
You've got 95,000 people registered to vote, who had no business being registered. In light of that, only roughly 61% of them chose to actually vote in any elections.
Why would that be? Why would somebody in Texas who was living there illegally make the conscious decision sit at a DMV (or whichever government building they'd need to go without getting a licenses) and sit there for a few hours, likely sweating bullets the whole time, to obtain illegal voter registration that could potentially putting at risk themselves and their families to deportation to get a registration card that they wouldn't even use after the fact?
Now, why would 37,000 people do this?
They were risking having ICE break down their doors and round up their family for deportation, just to be able to vote.
No...
I don't imagine that's how it went down at all.
I'd bet a lot of these people weren't even aware that they were registered to vote, and it's possible that among the 37,000 that didn't vote there are quite a few who had explicitly said they didn't want to be signed up for it but were signed up anyhow when they were signing forms that they didn't read.
It's no secret that there are places out there that are very illegal immigrant friendly. Sometimes they're so bold about it as to label the entire area sanctuary cities.
My theory here is that somebody was helping these people cross the border, and when they got here they were set up for everything from housing, to an under the table job, government benefits, being registered to vote and then being Highly encouraged to go out and do so.
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if 37,000 people who didn't vote are regularly being harassed or even threatened now by the people who set them up.
It's just a theory, sure. But I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Have you not heard of Motor Voter Registration? Libtards desperate for Dem Voters have worked every bribe, plea, fraudulent ploy to give out fraudulent Registrations, like handing out candy. Have you seen any kids sweating bullets when they get Free candy, whether they speak English or not?
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Just an FYI, SGG, in case you didn't know.
I'm not sure which state you vote in, but your example of needing an ID to vote is not at all a requirement in quite a few states. That's part of the argument here.
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state
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As of January 2, 2019, 35 states enforced (or were scheduled to begin enforcing) voter identification requirements. A total of 17 states required voters to present photo identification; the remainder accepted other forms of identification.
Commonly accepted forms of ID include driver's licenses, state-issued identification cards, and military identification cards.
Interestingly enough, Texas is one of the states that require a photo ID, so it is perplexing how this could happen without somebody going through an extreme effort to make it happen. All the more reason for me to believe that these 95,000 people did not make an individual effort to get registered and that there is an organization behind it.... assuming of course the news story isn't fake news.
Can I at least take it that you support a requirement for a legal photo identification to vote given your response?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Have you left your brain somewhere in the cold?
I don't see any need for that personal attack here.
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Have you not heard of Motor Voter Registration? Libtards desperate for Dem Voters have worked every bribe, plea, fraudulent ploy to give out fraudulent Registrations, like handing out candy. Have you seen any kids sweating bullets when they get Free candy, whether they speak English or not?
Prove it. I've never seen any story where the state's DMVs themselves were complicit or even advocates of giving illegal drivers licenses away "like candy".
It's much more likely that a relatively "off the books" organization is working behind the scenes with individuals sympathetic to this cause on a larger scale than it is to actually believe that 95,000 illegals in Texas took it upon themselves individually and made the conscious decision to risk deportation and the well beings of themselves and their families to vote. Especially when you consider the fact that 37,000 of them didn't ever even go through with the actual process of voting after taking that huge risk.
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Quote:
It's just a theory,
sure. But...a good one!
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I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.
Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from
Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?).
They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were
flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails.
Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering:
This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done?
SGG
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Quote:Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged,
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
It's just a theory,
sure. But...a good one!Quote:
I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.
Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from
Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?).
They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were
flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails.
Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering:
This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done?
SGG
as opposed to 6ix.
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Here, I posted this to a response to JSF. Perhaps this may shed some light on the topic. Remember now, the following is government information garnered by the state of Texas, which is conducting or has conducted the voter fraud investigation, so it cannot be "fake" news:
And, to answer your question. Yes, I believe the way to go is either driver's license or some sort of voter ID with picture to reduce, if not nullify, voter fraud; thereby shutting up those who scream bloody murder and cry "wolf" about voter fraud. But I have some other suggestions that will put this to bed:
1. each state should be responsible to make it as easy as possible to obtain said photo ID.
2. each state should hold elections to vote in a Board of Elections Chairman
that will oversee the voting process as a whole. No partisan appointees, but
strictly chosen by the people. This prevents or reduces wrongdoing by elected officials or non-citizens. The Board of Elections Chairman will run independent of any party.
3. We should also vote for a national BoE Chairman who will run and verify the election boards across the country, reporting only to the DoJ.
4. All convicted criminals shall register with the BoE in their state, once released, and shall be informed of their voting rights and eligibility. They must be informed and sign a declaration, along with their probation officer, that they have so been informed. Said form to be filed with their state of residence, a copy going to the National office of the BoE (Board of Elections)
5. All investigations by any state AG shall be filed with both the state BoE and national office.
I may think of more. Of course, that's wishful thinking, none of this will occur. It just makes too much common sense.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just an FYI, SGG, in case you didn't know.
I'm not sure which state you vote in, but your example of needing an ID to vote is not at all a requirement in quite a few states. That's part of the argument here.
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_stateQuote:
As of January 2, 2019, 35 states enforced (or were scheduled to begin enforcing) voter identification requirements. A total of 17 states required voters to present photo identification; the remainder accepted other forms of identification.
Commonly accepted forms of ID include driver's licenses, state-issued identification cards, and military identification cards.
Interestingly enough, Texas is one of the states that require a photo ID, so it is perplexing how this could happen without somebody going through an extreme effort to make it happen. All the more reason for me to believe that these 95,000 people did not make an individual effort to get registered and that there is an organization behind it.... assuming of course the news story isn't fake news.
Can I at least take it that you support a requirement for a legal photo identification to vote given your response?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged, as opposed to 6ix.
Speak for yourself, man.
If anything, I'm saying the problem is potentially much larger than you are seeing it to be.
I'm only shifting the onus from the individual illegal aliens onto organizations working in tandem with friendlies in the government that are doing this on a massive scale.
Before I throw an insult your way after enduring not one or two, but THREE of them from you in this thread now, I'm going to invite you to re-read what I'm saying and come back with an appropriate response.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here, I posted this to a response to JSF. Perhaps this may shed some light on the topic. Remember now, the following is government information garnered by the state of Texas, which is conducting or has conducted the voter fraud investigation, so it cannot be "fake" news:
I'm running out of "chat" time this morning, but I will watch this later. Thanks.
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And, to answer your question. Yes, I believe the way to go is either driver's license or some sort of voter ID with picture to reduce, if not nullify, voter fraud; thereby shutting up those who scream bloody murder and cry "wolf" about voter fraud. But I have some other suggestions that will put this to bed:
1. each state should be responsible to make it as easy as possible to obtain said photo ID.
2. each state should hold elections to vote in a Board of Elections Chairman
that will oversee the voting process as a whole. No partisan appointees, but
strictly chosen by the people. This prevents or reduces wrongdoing by elected officials or non-citizens. The Board of Elections Chairman will run independent of any party.
3. We should also vote for a national BoE Chairman who will run and verify the election boards across the country, reporting only to the DoJ.
4. All convicted criminals shall register with the BoE in their state, once released, and shall be informed of their voting rights and eligibility. They must be informed and sign a declaration, along with their probation officer, that they have so been informed. Said form to be filed with their state of residence, a copy going to the National office of the BoE (Board of Elections)
5. All investigations by any state AG shall be filed with both the state BoE and national office.
I may think of more. Of course, that's wishful thinking, none of this will occur. It just makes too much common sense.
SGG
See? This is why we need to try to have more civil discussions instead of all of us knuckleheads jumping down each other's throats everytime we get the chance.
I'll back everything you just said there. Consider me on board.
Though you have added a few new ideas, I said much of that myself here a few years ago when the topic came up.
One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more).
I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Oh... and in addition, given the recent stories about American Indian reservation problems with voting, I have another idea that I hadn't mentioned a few years ago since it hadn't come up.
Given that (allegedly) most American Indians in the U.S. do not have street addresses and use a P.O. Box for their residence on their reservations, something needs to be done about that as well.
In any and all cases where the above is true, their Drivers Licenses (assuming they drive) or their state ID cards should have an address field that states the reservation they live on, the name of the post office, followed by their personal P.O. Box number at the post office. These ID's should be 100% valid and accepted at the voting booths across any state where they apply.
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No, I'm tired of hearing about voter fraud and half the time it's a bunch of bullshit. You saw the report I posted by that local Texas news station, right?
This is a government-run investigation that their reporting on. The Texas AG and SoS found that these folks were registered by the state.
So, MY theory is: the state of Texas had a big "oopsie" and may or may not pursue charges. What that means is "we are right back to square one." I wouldn't go as far as saying that they're incompetent, fumbling bumbling idiots, but crying wolf whenever a Republican loses gets a little tiring.
Still though, that's the AG's job, to investigate these things. There are many
ways to approach this "crisis." One way is to correctly identify where exactly
the problem lies. Photo IDs is one way, but I would suggest running things
a lot better to begin with before flying off the handle. It's funny that
the state investigates and finds out the the state fucked up; both in feeding the process and then in the execution of that process. Well, at least the
Texas AG/SoS got to the bottom of it.
SGG
Quote:Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged, as opposed to 6ix.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
It's just a theory,
sure. But...a good one!Quote:
I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.
Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from
Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?).
They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were
flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails.
Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering:
This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done?
SGG
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Good point. And I would suggest not moving the goal posts at the last minute to allow for that to happen. Check it:
The state legislature should allow for all it's citizens to be able to vote, and not create hardships to insure a particular outcome.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... and in addition, given the recent stories about American Indian reservation problems with voting, I have another idea that I hadn't mentioned a few years ago since it hadn't come up.
Given that (allegedly) most American Indians in the U.S. do not have street addresses and use a P.O. Box for their residence on their reservations, something needs to be done about that as well.
In any and all cases where the above is true, their Drivers Licenses (assuming they drive) or their state ID cards should have an address field that states the reservation they live on, the name of the post office, followed by their personal P.O. Box number at the post office. These ID's should be 100% valid and accepted at the voting booths across any state where they apply.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Another good point.
Quote:
One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more).
Yes, it makes sense. But don't they have their info on those food stamps card already? Just curious. But yeah, they should be given some sort of ID when they register for food stamps. Free, as part of the process.
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I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair.
This is what I'm saying. To stop the bitching, from all sides, the above would make it fair. Agreed.
SGG
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Well... your food stamp card doesn't have a photo ID. It doesn't even have any other information on it like your address other than your first and last name. In my state, at least a few years back when I got it, you get a credit card with a simple magnetic strip and security code on the back.
It would be great if you could just merge the two offices into one and lower the overall tax burden, but that wouldn't really work in practice. (I think it already takes long enough to sit in line at the DMV already, thank you very much).
I think the best solution would be to require the same documents as proof of address and citizenship to get food stamps as is required to get the REAL ID style of Drivers Licenses. Yanno, the one with the "Star" on the front that is now the only way that you can get a passport. You'd need a birth certificate, social security card, and some form of bill sent to your address. (I think that's it. It's been a long time since I've done that)
Once this documentation was verified and processed, the client would be told to sit down at a photo booth that has the exact same tech that the DMV stations have for their photographs. This photo, along with all of the data, would be sent weekly for all qualifying new (and 6 month renewing who didn't already have one) food stamp clients to the local DMV to be processed, and within 10 days of processing a photo State ID will be mailed to them.
That's how they already handle drivers licenses in Indiana already. You do have to wait up to 10 business days for it to process and be sent in the mail. When I lived in Illinois they had MUCH more expensive machinery for the photo IDs on site and 15 to 20 minutes after you took your photograph they called you up and your ID was created on site. There is no reason for each and every station in the country to have that massive expense though when the temporary paper ID with your picture that the DMVs in Indiana provide will suffice until you get the real one in the mail.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Another good point.Quote:
One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more).
Yes, it makes sense. But don't they have their info on those food stamps card already? Just curious. But yeah, they should be given some sort of ID when they register for food stamps. Free, as part of the process.Quote:
I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair.
This is what I'm saying. To stop the bitching, from all sides, the above would make it fair. Agreed.
SGG
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As usual, the Russian trolls have it all wrong.
I will correct you with facts, as I always do.
https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2019-02-01/lege-lines-texas-gop-t
ees-up-more-voter-id-nonsense/
When newly appointed Texas Secretary of State David Whitley (until recently a top aide to Gov. Greg Abbott) released a statement on Friday, Jan. 25, advising counties to investigate a list of some 95,000 registered voters whose U.S. citizenship was possibly in doubt (of whom 58,000 have cast a ballot in the past), it ignited a voter-fraud frenzy among the usual right-wing suspects. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton tweeted, "Voter Fraud Alert: ... Any illegal vote deprives Americans of their voice," and President Spray-Tan took to his iPhone to assert that "58,000 non-citizens voted in Texas. ... These numbers are just the tip of the iceberg. All over the country, especially in California, voter fraud is rampant. Must be stopped. Strong voter ID!"
Texas already has one of the most stringent (see also: discriminatory) voter ID laws in the country. Beyond that, Whitley made no claim that the names on these lists are actually noncitizens; rather, they are people who, when they obtained a driver's license or ID card, provided the Texas Department of Public Safety with documentation (like a green card) showing they were not citizens, though legal U.S. residents. The state compared those names and Social Security numbers with the state voter rolls. So, some if not all of these suspect residents could have subsequently been naturalized, as some 50,000 Texans are each year. (Licenses and ID cards don't expire for six years.) Perhaps most importantly, these totals don't refer only to the current voter rolls or last election cycle; rather, they span more than 20 years – encompassing 1996 to 2018. Florida used a similar "weak match" methodology to produce a list of 180,000 potential noncitizen registered voters back in 2012; it ended up identifying just 85 truly ineligible voters.
But why let the facts slow down a nice big wave of white wingnut panic? Paxton has touted prosecuting a negligible number of noncitizen voting cases, but it remains a virtually nonexistent problem that, when spun in the right-wing media vortex, is used to bolster the push to tighten voter ID laws and restrict access to the ballot box, as well as generally rile up the base and harvest its money, as the Republican Party of Texas did with a fundraising appeal within hours of Whitley's statement. (More on that in this week's "Point Austin," Feb. 1.)
“History has shown that voter fraud is extremely rare and efforts to identify unlawful voting en masse have proven to be highly inaccurate.” – Andre Segura, ACLU of Texas
On Monday, Jan. 28, civil rights groups including the League of Women Voters of Texas, Workers Defense Action Fund, Texas Organizing Project, ACLU of Texas, and Jolt hit back with a letter to Whitley demanding he rescind his "advisory" to counties, saying the notice amounts to "another page straight out of the voter suppression handbook." The "woefully inadequate" investigation risks prompting a purge of thousands of eligible Texans from the voting rolls, the groups wrote, pointing to the Florida case, in which a federal judge ruled the effort was "likely to have a discriminatory impact on these new citizens."
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The coalition also asked local officials in all 254 counties to take no action until Whitley provides more transparency on the SoS methodology and procedures and ensures that lawfully registered naturalized citizens will not be flagged erroneously. "Given the long history of anti-immigrant policies and attempts at voter suppression by our Texas officials, we cannot trust that this investigation has been conducted in a fair and non-discriminatory manner," said Andre Segura, legal director for the ACLU of Texas. "History has shown that voter fraud is extremely rare and efforts to identify unlawful voting en masse have proven to be highly inaccurate. Despite President Trump's histrionic and highly inaccurate statement about voter fraud, each county in Texas must now act responsibly so that marginalized communities can exercise their right to vote without intimidation."
Officials are trying to “intimidate people who are currently legitimately registered to vote,” with an “election-related witch hunt.” – LULAC Lawsuit
The national League of United Latin American Citizens ratcheted up the fight against Paxton and Whitley Tuesday, Jan. 29, with a lawsuit claiming the officials seek to "intimidate people who are currently legitimately registered to vote," with an "election-related witch hunt." The San Antonio-based federal suit asks U.S. District Judge Fred Biery to view the attempt as a violation the Voting Rights Act. "The pretextual facade of concern about rampant voter fraud provides no cover for the voter intimidation at work here," the lawsuit reads. With egg on its face by Tuesday, the SoS advised several counties to remove names it says were included on the lists in error.
In Travis County, Voter Registrar Bruce Elfant tells us his office is conducting its own "thorough" analysis of the 4,547 potential noncitizens on the SoS list to determine its accuracy. While taking the matter seriously enough to "trust but verify" the claims, Elfant remains skeptical given his firsthand experience dealing with errors in DPS data. "Some of these allegations of massive voter fraud are premature and irresponsible," said Elfant. "We do not want to undermine the integrity of elections before we know what the answers are."
Elfant says the county is currently leaning against removing voters from the rolls immediately if they do not respond to notice letters within 30 days, pointing out that about 30% of people owed a refund by his Tax Office don't respond to those queries even when money's at stake. Other counties, including Williamson, Bastrop, and Harris, have also declined to take the bait as of yet. In a prescient statement, Beth Stevens of the Texas Civil Rights Project warned that the "alarming" advisory and Paxton's subsequent "vitriolic" statements aim to drum up support for laws during this Lege session to make it harder for eligible Texans to cast a ballot.
Sure enough, the next business day, Monday, Jan. 28, state Sen. Pat Fallon, R-Prosper, filed Senate Bill 482, which would require a citizenship verification on voter registrations, teeing off a likely messy debate under the pink dome, with the GOP using the SoS "investigation" as ammo. To address the genuine problem of not enough people at the Texas polls, some legislators, such as state Rep. Celia Israel, D-Austin, are working on the flip side to make voting more accessible. Israel's HB 361 would let residents register to vote online – Texas is one of just 13 states in the country that don't have a system in place. This isn't the first time Israel has filed the bill – in 2015 it was left pending in committee, and in 2017 it never received a hearing, underscoring just how truly enthusiastic the GOP is about promoting the right to vote.
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More non-existent reichwing voter fraud bullshit debunked by yours truly.
You're welcome.
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Quote:If Texas has one of the most stringent voter ID laws in the country, how izzit that one can be registered to vote on the basis of a green card?
when they obtained a driver's license or ID card, provided the Texas Department of Public Safety with documentation (like a green card) showing they were not citizens, though legal U.S. residents. The state compared those names and Social Security numbers with the state voter rolls. So, some if not all of these suspect residents could have subsequently been naturalized ...
In order to register to vote, you should be required to provide either (1) a notarized copy of a birth certificate or (2) naturalization papers or (3) a USA passport, which requires (1) or (2). If for some strange reason you don't have a birth certificate (like not born in a hospital) you should be required to present notarized statements of 2 witnesses to the birth. IN ADDITION, you should also be able to provide a Social Security number and proof of residency, like a utility bill.
To me, the sticky part of voter ID isn't proving citizenship ... the vast majority of people should be able to obtain their birth certificates and Social Security numbers, and if a political party has a burning desire to add people to their rolls they should be prepared to assist with obtaining the necessary documents ... but residency.
Students (who often study away from home), the homeless, military enlisted, people who live in motors homes and travel the country, and Native Americans usually can't provide a street address. I understand why municipal, county, Congressional District, and state elections would like to know if you actually reside in their plot of land before you can vote on its issues and candidates, but deciding which address to use for some people can be tricky.
I look forward to seeing more information on how this was done. I don't see "weak match" as being a problem with this study, tho ... I think that issue is a red herring (so to speak). The fundamental flaw in the original ID papers is the problem, because it sounds to me like a driver's license is all you need to register in Texas, and driver's license ID requirements aren't up to voter registration requirements. Unless I'm missing something, the problem seems pretty straightforward.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I look forward to seeing more information on how this was done. I don't see "weak match" as being a problem with this study, tho ... I think that issue is a red herring (so to speak). The fundamental flaw in the original ID papers is the problem, because it sounds to me like a driver's license is all you need to register in Texas, and driver's license ID requirements aren't up to voter registration requirements. Unless I'm missing something, the problem seems pretty straightforward.
I'm kind of laughing here, in a very sad way, if that is the problem.
The answer is simple. Require the same paperwork for any State IDs, Drivers Licenses and any government benefits that would be required for the REAL ID.
Period.
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I'm just going to put another nail in JSF's coffin of extreme humiliation, here. This report from Waco:
State: All 366 on local list of potential noncitizen voters are citizens
https://www.wacotrib.com/news/elections/state-all-on-local-list-of-pot
ential-noncitizen-voters-are/article_20771942-538d-506d-bcad-7e7ca79e261d.html
"By the time local elections officials downloaded a list of 366 registered voters the Texas Secretary of State’s Office initially said may not be citizens, the office had called to tell them to disregard the list, Elections Administrator Kathy Van Wolfe said.
The state told her office by phone Monday that the citizenship of everyone on the list is not in question, Van Wolfe said. The office was informed Friday it would get the list and need to contact each voter for proof of citizenship, she said. The list came Monday, and the secretary of state had backed off on its initial request by the time anyone downloaded the list, she said.
Almost 140,000 McLennan County residents were registered to vote during the November 2018 election.
“They sent out a list and called us and said it was a mistake,” Van Wolfe said. “All those people have proven citizenship.”
A similar scenario played out statewide.
Election officials in Texas’ largest county say they have already cleared about 18,000 voters in the Houston area who the state had wrongly flagged as potential noncitizens."
I know that Russian trolls like JSF rely entirely on falsehoods and half truths to spew their America-destroying propaganda. JSF does this for a living, and we all gotta eat, right?
But seriously, dude. You got your ass kicked here.
As your moral and intellectual superior, I am laughing heartily at your extreme embarrassment and overall stupidity. 
Feeling stupid? You should. You are.
We should rename this thread, "Russian Troll makes an idiot of himself, yet again."
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You do realize that when you try to make a point but insult somebody, call them Russian when they clearly aren't and then you make ridiculous boasts about how wonderful you are that you've nullified completely any argument you were trying to make, don't you Marcos?
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I slaughtered the lying POS Russian troll. You should thank me.
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I think you've finally managed to turn yourself into a parody of yourself, Marcos.
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I know that bots like REAVERBOT rely entirely on falsehoods and half truths to spew their America-destroying propaganda. REAVERBOT does this for a living, and we all gotta eat, right?
REAVERBOT, why should I - or anyone- trust a single word that you post when you keep spewing obvious lies (defamation) over and over ... and over and over? I KNOW WHO I AM, and you constantly calling me a "Russian troll" just makes me mentally junk-toss anything that you post, because you're either vastly deluded or so friggin' biased that you choose not to tell the truth. Once you've totally undermined your own credibility, anything else is just garbage.
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Quote:What happened to REAVERSHIT?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
I know that bots like REAVERBOT rely entirely on falsehoods and half truths to spew their America-destroying propaganda. REAVERBOT does this for a living, and we all gotta eat, right?
REAVERBOT, why should I - or anyone- trust a single word that you post when you keep spewing obvious lies (defamation) over and over ... and over and over? I KNOW WHO I AM, and you constantly calling me a "Russian troll" just makes me mentally junk-toss anything that you post, because you're either vastly deluded or so friggin' biased that you choose not to tell the truth. Once you've totally undermined your own credibility, anything else is just garbage.
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I can feel your intense, burning shame from my location here on the other side of the world, Russian troll.
You lie for a living. You hate yourself.
I crush you constantly. You hate yourself even more.
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Quote:Downgraded from biological to badly written software.
What happened to REAVERSHIT?
So - go ahead. Call me a Russian troll AGAIN. It only demonstrates how limited you are.
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I'm starting to think that Hillary Clinton is just extremely bored these days and that Marcos is actually her.
Hey Hillary! I know you don't get all those top secret e-mails anymore, but I hope you're using Nord VPN.
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Pennsylvania admits to 11,000 noncitizens registered to vote
A top Pennsylvania lawmaker called on the state Wednesday to immediately expunge the names of 11,198 noncitizens whom the state confirmed are registered to vote, despite not being eligible.
State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, a Republican and former chairman of a House government oversight panel, said the administration of Gov. Tom Wolf, a Democrat, belatedly acknowledged the large number of noncitizens in communications over the past two months.
“I believe that we need to take action and have those people removed immediately from the rolls,” Mr. Metcalfe told The Washington Times. “They were never eligible to vote.”
Just days earlier, officials in Texas announced they had found nearly 100,000 noncitizens on the state’s voter rolls.
The numbers, while not yet evidence of massive voter fraud that President Trump said marred the popular vote in the 2016 election, are nonetheless higher than the almost-zero levels of voting mischief that the president’s critics have suggested.
Some of those Trump opponents don’t believe the latest numbers, particularly in Texas, where Hispanic activists sued to stop a potential purge of the noncitizen names that the state identified.
“It’s clear that the right-wing elements in Texas government are trying to rig the system to keep power and disenfranchise 95,000 American citizens,” said Domingo Garcia, national president of the League of United Latin American Citizens. “There is no voter fraud in Texas. It’s a lie repeated time and again to suppress minority voters, and we’re going to fight hard against it.”
Texas Secretary of State David Whitley used state driver’s license records, which include immigration status, and compared those with voter rolls. He found that about 95,000 people whom the state says weren’t citizens were among the 16 million registered voters.
Of those, about 58,000 had voted at some point since 1996.
State officials followed a similar process in Pennsylvania after admitting that a glitch in state motor vehicle bureau computers allowed noncitizens to register to vote easily. They, too, matched driver’s license records with voter rolls and came up with nearly 11,200 names.
The state did not release the names to Mr. Metcalfe or to Rep. Garth Everett, a Republican and chairman of the House State Government Committee, so they weren’t able to figure out how many had cast ballots.
Contacted by The Washington Times, the Pennsylvania Department of State did not provide a comment on its numbers.
Voter integrity advocates said the findings undermine arguments that there is no problem.
“Demonstrating, much less discussing, noncitizen voting activity is the worst form of heresy one can commit for left-wing groups,” said Logan Churchwell, director of communications and research at the Public Interest Legal Foundation, which is involved in lawsuits in Pennsylvania and Texas to try to pry loose voter data.
He and other advocates said states need to act.
“It is the tip of the iceberg,” Tom Fitton, director of the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, told The Times. “This shows the urgent need for citizenship verification for voting. The Department of Justice should follow up with a national investigation.”
No state requires proof of citizenship to register to vote. A U.S. District Court judge last year struck down a law championed by then-Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to require citizenship documentation. Kansas took the ruling to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Texas, however, will take some verification steps in the future. The secretary of state every month will compare newly registered voters with federal immigration records at the Department of Homeland Security.
“This carries the benefit of being a report plus a reform,” Mr. Churchwell said. “This wasn’t a one-off research project. Texas will be actively screening for existing potential noncitizen registrants on a monthly basis, which is something we’ve long pushed for.”
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I see what Texas did, and it has nothing to do with partial matches. They crossed two data bases (drivers license and voter rolls) without trying to time-match the info. In other words, if someone had a driver's license from six years ago, they crossed that with current voter rolls.
It's a good way to flag for inconsistencies - a screening test, if you will. Screening tests SHOULD have false positives and (hopefully) no false negatives in order to be valid. But those inconsistencies need to be followed up with updated information. Presumably those flagged registrations are being checked against ANOTHER database ... I have no idea which one ... to further winnow the results.
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Liberals have claimed that Trump's panel to look into voter fraud was disbanded because they couldn't find any, but the real reason it was disbanded is because states refused to cooperate by handing over their voter information.
I've seen that over and over again in the various stories about voter fraud, including the same statement here https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-calif
ornia-more-voters-than-eligible-adults-claim-20170809-htmlstory.html which won't allow me to copy-paste bc of copyright limitations. You'll just have to look into it yourself.
Still - just the like questions about electronic voting and electronic vote counting- these questions should never arise. The system needs to be far more robust and secure than it currently is. For example, the question of "inactive" voters being on the rolls in CA means that dead people may still be on the rolls. Or people may have moved and registered some place else, and be double-registered. Isn't there a statewide database to look for duplicates? Don't they check against death records? So one critical flaw in the CA system is while it's easy to register, there appears to be no UNregistration process. Isn't there a way to legitimately remove dead/ moved people from the rolls?
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Quote:It just proves what we already know.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Downgraded from biological to badly written software.
What happened to REAVERSHIT?
So - go ahead. Call me a Russian troll AGAIN. It only demonstrates how limited you are.
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You're a Russian troll and I kicked your ass, yet again, with facts and logic.
Thread over. I win. You lose.
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Thank you for demonstrating your limited programming, again, REAVERBOT. Please ask for an upgrade next time because "Russian troll" seems to be the only thing you post.
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Quote:Why would I call a Russian troll anything other than a Russian troll?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thank you for demonstrating your limited programming, again, REAVERBOT. Please ask for an upgrade next time because "Russian troll" seems to be the only thing you post.
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Dems are headed to Texas to probe suspected voter suppression
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/
article225292530.html
My total victory in destroying the lies of Russian trolls is always the standard, here.
While I do enjoy smashing your faces into your own shit, I do it for America, not just the satisfaction I get by being your moral and intellectual superior, and making fools of you in public.
Yet another humiliating defeat you will never live down.
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Quote:The report said they voted in an Election since 1996.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I see what Texas did, and it has nothing to do with partial matches. They crossed two data bases (drivers license and voter rolls) without trying to time-match the info. In other words, if someone had a driver's license from six years ago, they crossed that with current voter rolls.
It's a good way to flag for inconsistencies - a screening test, if you will. Screening tests SHOULD have false positives and (hopefully) no false negatives in order to be valid. But those inconsistencies need to be followed up with updated information. Presumably those flagged registrations are being checked against ANOTHER database ... I have no idea which one ... to further winnow the results.
If they voted in 1998 and were still a non-citizen in 2012, would that not indicate Fraudulent and Illegal Voting? They could have voted in 7 Congressional Elections and more Primaries between 1996 and 2012.
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I destroyed your lies. You may crawl away now, and cry your eyes out in your cramped computer room in St Petersburg, feeling the sting of your abject humiliation.
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Texas Officials Are Exaggerating Voter Fraud. That’s Exactly The Point.
Sowing distrust and uncertainty about the election system — regardless of proof — can be used to push new voting restrictions.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/texas-voter-fraud-allegations_us_
5c54cd7ae4b0871047537a1f?utm_source=reddit.com
To many, the debacle in Texas is a just the latest chapter in a story that has played out over and over again in several states across the country in recent years. An official or activist group will make a salacious claim of illegal voting using unverified information and grab headlines before the claim is investigated and debunked in the ensuing months. Almost always, the claim turns out to be either wildly exaggerated or untrue, but it doesn’t really matter. People remember only the original, scintillating accusation. While several studies have shown voter fraud is not a widespread problem, politicians use the simmering uncertainty about election integrity to justify new voting restrictions.
In Texas, the investigation of suspected noncitizens comes after a surge in Latino voter turnout in November and a pending bill in the Texas Legislature to require proof of citizenship when someone registers to vote.
Lorraine Minnite, a Rutgers professor who has studied many allegations of voter fraud, said what’s happening in Texas was part of a “very familiar pattern” that she’s observed over two decades.
“It almost doesn’t matter that they’re not correct, because they just keep saying it,” said Minnite, the author of The Myth of Voter Fraud. “The political strategy is almost to deliberately produce bad information, and then you go out with it and it’s hard to debunk right away.” By the time that happens, the misinformation is etched into voters’ psyches.
Well, the psyches of stupid voters, anyway.
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What's with the Liberal use of hyperbole here, Marcos?
Pun intended.
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ACLU: We’re suing Texas for rolling out an error-ridden voter purge program that flagged tens of thousands of registered voters for review — despite officials knowing that the list included naturalized citizens who are eligible to vote.
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1092461439820972037
You want to know what will be proven?
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OMG!!! They're reviewing voter registrations!!! Isn't that, like, the PURPOSE of the State Secretary? I would be concerned if the review led to actual unfair roll purges, but not a review itself. The ACLU has gone off the deep end.
Of, as libtards like to say ... If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind a little review.
BTW, I noticed that you're avoiding the Pennsylvania case like the plague. Is that because the review was done by a Democrat, and found 11,000 non-citizen registrants?
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Voter Fraud Proven
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Yep, and it was the republicans
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OMG!!! They're reviewing voter registrations!!! Isn't that, like, the PURPOSE of the State Secretary? I would be concerned if the review led to actual unfair roll purges, but not a review itself. The ACLU has gone off the deep end.
Of, as libtards like to say ... If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind a little review.
BTW, I noticed that you're avoiding the Pennsylvania case like the plague. Is that because the review was done by a Democrat, and found 11,000 non-citizen registrants?
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Same shit, different state.
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ACLU: We’re suing Texas for rolling out an error-ridden voter purge program that flagged tens of thousands of registered voters for review — despite officials knowing that the list included naturalized citizens who are eligible to vote.
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1092461439820972037
You want to know what will be proven?
They're suing over registered voters being "flagged for review".
I seriously doubt that is the case. What "damages" could they possibly be suing for? If they're all legal citizens, then they wouldn't even know that their under review. This type of thing (supposedly) happens all the time anyway, and it should. Verification and purges of the voter database, in instances where people have died or moved out of state.
What a dumb tweet. Is the ACLU trying to see if they can beat Trump for stupidest tweet of 2019?
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Right over your head.
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Just using a little common sense there JSF. "They" would have to get past all those people to get their "fake" ID. Plus the fact that it would be a state problem and not federal, meaning: That each state, as Jack pointed out above,
with their different rules, would have to come up with different ways to put a stop to it. You know, like stopping bribes and the like.
Pretty simple really.
SGG
Quote:Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged,
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
It's just a theory,
sure. But...a good one!Quote:
I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.
Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from
Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?).
They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were
flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails.
Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering:
This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done?
SGG
as opposed to 6ix.
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Thanks for posting RF. I posted a video from You Tube of a Texas news cast
revealing, in a short segment, just that very thing - that the Texas AG and SoS completed their analysis and found NOTHING. Of course, our "good buddies"
here in RWED would never admit to the finding, but there you have it. Proven
wrong again...NO COLLUSION...wait, wrong topic...NO VOTER FRAUD! Just silly
wacky good fun by the Orange-in-Chief, getting his base all worked up for
nothing (just part of the red meat feeding frenzy).
I too questioned the method and procedure of the investigation, and a bunch of other stuff, cause I knew this was just a baseless attempt to hijack the vote
in yet another Red State. Texas is awful nervous to pull a stunt like that.
Could it be that the state is leaning toward Purple? O'Rouke must have shaken
some trees around there.
Anyway, thanks once again for posting the article. Of course, you could bash these guys over the head with an anvil and they'll deny that it hurts like heck.
SGG
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Ok, now you're just being plain silly!
You're rolling out that old nugget - uh, but Hillary! Why not throw in Obama
for good measure.
Come on!!!! You've got to be shitting me!
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm starting to think that Hillary Clinton is just extremely bored these days and that Marcos is actually her.
Hey Hillary! I know you don't get all those top secret e-mails anymore, but I hope you're using Nord VPN.
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Dude, you're chewing on raw red meat and you haven't got a clue. You're being led by the nose. The state essentially investigated itself (they registered the legal voters and issued the driver's licenses) and found that
everything is good.
Oops!
As far as the law suit: it's like being falsely arrested and you sue for damages. It's to put a stop to the bullshit move. You call them out and put them on blast, make a public spectacle and embarrass them.
Besides, the AG and SoS are wasting taxpayer money for an idiot move.
These were legal naturalized residents. Case closed.
SGG
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Texas Republicans Are Lying About Voter Fraud to Justify a Massive, Racist Voter Purge
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/texas-republicans-racist-i
llegal-voters-purge.html
Because that's what Republicans do.
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Since you mentioned the Pennsylvania voter fraud fraud, I thought I would look up THAT little gem.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/42889/pennsylvania-finds-thousands-non-c
itizens-voter-ashe-schow
Now, as I read the article, I kept asking myself how is it that two completely different states have the same exact problem? Non-citizens registered to vote?
What was the final outcome of the investigation? The "newspaper" fails to mention if the State arrested anyone or brought anyone to justice.
What gives them the right? Oh yeah, the State. Apparently, as I read further, the DMV (a branch of state government) has a section on their paperwork for voter registration. But so far, not a word as too criminal charges being brought by the state AGs from either state. I wonder why that is.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said of the results of the 11-month investigation:
Quote:
Every single instance of illegal voting threatens democracy in our state and deprives individual Texans of their voice. Nothing is more vital to preserving our Constitution than the integrity of our voting process, and my office will do everything within its abilities to solidify trust in every election in the state of Texas.
I read an article online where a woman was arrested and is now serving time for illegally voting. Crystal Mason:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/31/598458914/texas-woma
n-sentenced-to-5-years-for-illegal-voting
Quote:
Mason grabbed her keys and set out for her local precinct. When she got there, she found out that her name was not on the voter roll so she was given a provisional ballot. An election worker stuck around to walk her through the form. She used her current license and her current address
It was that easy...the state provided a provisional ballot.
Quote:
"She didn't understand!" St. John said. "She was never told she couldn't vote. Not by a district judge. Not by anyone at the half-way house where she lived after she got out. Not by the probation officer."
Although, she did sign an affidavit (as I had suggested in another post, but signed as well by her probation officer)
Quote:
According to a CNN report, "She signed and affirmed a document which clearly stated that (1) she was prohibited from voting due to her status as a convicted felon still serving her term of supervision, and (2) she would be committing a second degree felony if she lied about her status," Wilson said. "The judge found her guilty of illegal voting beyond a reasonable doubt."
I went online to see what exactly the PA-DMV had on their website, here's what I found:
Quote:
Deadline Alert: 04/22/2019 is the last day to register before the 05/21/2019 election.
If you are not a U.S. citizen and a resident of Pennsylvania at least 30 days before the next election, you CANNOT register to vote.
If you have any questions, please call 1.877.VOTESPA (1.877.868.3772).
Your registration is not complete until processed and accepted by your county voter registration office.
To vote in the next election, you must complete your application by 04/22/2019. You can submit your application:
On this web site
Delivered to your county voter registration office.
By mail to your county voter registration office, postmarked by 04/22/2019.
Click here to download a blank voter registration form
If you are on active duty in the military, or you are a hospitalized or bedridden veteran, you can register at any time. See www.fvap.gov for more information.
The Texas voter registration has you answer a series of questions that determines your eligibility. You fill in name and address, then mail it in.
So, there is a process managed by the state. Somewhere along the line somebody
royally fucked up. I'm going to dig a little more to see how many states have run into this little problem.
I will post my results in a few days.
SGG
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Voter problems
http://www.demos.org/publication/accelerating-vote-how-states-are-impr
oving-motor-voter-registration-under-national-voter
save a place...
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Voter problems
http://www.demos.org/publication/accelerating-vote-how-states-are-impr
oving-motor-voter-registration-under-national-voter
save a place...
I don't think that's necessarily showing "problems" other than a great deal of people don't care to vote. Even California is on that list with only 4% of people registering to vote when they get their license.
Their claim that "many people left the DMV unaware they could register" is given without any proof. They're probably right that people turned it down because filling out an entire form for it is "too cumbersome", but I really don't think people should be voting that don't have time to fill out a piece of paper to get registered.
I've lived in 3 states since I've been old enough to vote and every time I've gone to the DMV they've asked me. One was solid D, one was solid R, and one is a flippyflop state.
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Quote:No links = no evidence.
Same shit, different state. - REAVERBOT
Quote:
Now, as I read the article, I kept asking myself how is it that two completely different states have the same exact problem? Non-citizens registered to vote?
Maybe because none of the states currently require proof of citizenship?
You say you're a citizen?
GREAT!
Step right up and and vote here!
The article that you linked from Demos was remarkably non-specific about the "problems" that it found, and also careless about the conclusions that it drew from their statistics. For example
Quote:Maybe these people were registered to vote already by another means? Hey, in 11 CA counties about 110% of eligible voters are registered! I'd consider that a great success in voter registration, wouldn't you???
As of 2014, publicly available data indicated that only about 4 percent of individuals engaging in driver’s license or identification card transactions with the California DMV indicated a desire to register to vote as part of the transaction placing the California DMV among the lowest-performing motor vehicle agencies covered by the NVRA.
There may be perfectly valid reasons why motor-voter registration may get poor participation, even in states with robust registration rates. One of them may be that many youngsters register through school programs, for example.
Because of the crappy record-keeping it's impossible to say exactly what percent of eligible voters are registered in California, but even if you say that 20% of registrations are duplicates (which reflects very badly on the CA system) that still leaves 90% valid registrations for 11 of the most populous counties in CA.
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Siggy,
I found this online, the California application for voter registration:
Quote:
Classification
I am one of the following *
A U.S. citizen and resident of California.
OR
A U.S. citizen and a member of the Uniformed Services or Merchant Marine on active duty outside my county.
A U.S. citizen and an eligible spouse or dependent of a member of the Uniformed Services or Merchant Marine on active duty outside my county.
A U.S. citizen and an activated National Guard member on State orders outside my county.
A U.S. citizen residing outside the U.S. temporarily.
A U.S. citizen residing outside the U.S. indefinitely.
A U.S. citizen and have never resided in the U.S.
Maybe because none of the states currently require proof of citizenship?
So, how do you solve a problem like proof of citizenship?
Quote:
New voters may have to show a form of identification or proof of residency the first time they vote, if a driver license or SSN was not provided when registering.
And then there's this:
Quote:
About half of the states with voter ID laws accept only photo IDs. These include driver’s licenses, state-issued ID cards, military ID cards, and passports. Many of these states now offer a free voter photo ID card if you don’t have another form of valid photo ID.
Other states accept some types of non-photo ID. These may include birth certificates, Social Security cards, bank statements, and utility bills. Each state is specific about the documents it will accept as proof of identification. Be sure you know your state’s voter ID requirements before Election Day.
Perhaps the country should adapt a citizenship ID card to differentiate non-citizens from citizens.
Quote:
Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is granted to a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).
Your U.S. passport is your best proof of U.S. citizenship.
Now, to obtain a passport you need a birth certificate, which I'm sure you know, and proof of address (a utility bill, etc.).
What documents are needed for Proof of Citizenship?
Quote:
What documents are usually accepted as proof of U.S.
citizenship?
The most common documents that establish U.S. citizenship are:
• Birth Certificate, issued by a U.S. State (if the person was
born in the United States), or by the U.S. Department of State
(if the person was born abroad to U.S. citizen parents who
registered the child’s birth and U.S. citizenship with the U.S.
Embassy or consulate);
• U.S. Passport, issued by the U.S. Department of State;
• Certificate of Citizenship, issued to a person born outside the
United States who derived or acquired U.S. citizenship through a
U.S. citizen parent; or
• Naturalization Certificate, issued to a person who became
a U.S. citizen after 18 years of age through the naturalization
process.
These are documents that you typically present for just about any official
capacity - job, voting, etc. So if someone is on the voter rolls, they generally have already met the requirements and have submitted the documentation as proof of citizenship. I've found that there's no mention,
on any of the applications, of the eligibility of convicted felons. You and I know, but not many people do; it wasn't until I registered to vote that I found this out.
But what I'm talking about is the politicization of the vote. What was once
described as your civic duty is now part of the civil war between Dems and Republicans for the country's soul. It has been reduced to civil warfare.
What I'm talking about is the unrelenting propaganda and ideological scrum
taking place across the country to further the political cause for a party
who sold their soul to the devil, all to gain seats in the house and senate, by hook or by crook (mainly by crook), to have control over money, power and
influence in this country. Most of the time it has nothing to do
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I see that about 700,000 Immigrants become new Citizens each year. With Texas having less than 10% of the US Population, we might assume 70,000 per year are there. In the past 6 years that would be 420,000.
So the assumption is that almost 100,000 of these new Citizens of the past 6 years are the only ones found in the Texas study.
Meaning the study found about 23% of these. How believable is that?
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Quote:That's Racist.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Siggy,
I found this online, the California application for voter registration:Quote:
Classification
I am one of the following *
A U.S. citizen and resident of California.
OR
A U.S. citizen and a member of the Uniformed Services or Merchant Marine on active duty outside my county.
A U.S. citizen and an eligible spouse or dependent of a member of the Uniformed Services or Merchant Marine on active duty outside my county.
A U.S. citizen and an activated National Guard member on State orders outside my county.
A U.S. citizen residing outside the U.S. temporarily.
A U.S. citizen residing outside the U.S. indefinitely.
A U.S. citizen and have never resided in the U.S.
Maybe because none of the states currently require proof of citizenship?
So, how do you solve a problem like proof of citizenship?Quote:
New voters may have to show a form of identification or proof of residency the first time they vote, if a driver license or SSN was not provided when registering.
And then there's this:Quote:
About half of the states with voter ID laws accept only photo IDs. These include driver’s licenses, state-issued ID cards, military ID cards, and passports. Many of these states now offer a free voter photo ID card if you don’t have another form of valid photo ID.
Other states accept some types of non-photo ID. These may include birth certificates, Social Security cards, bank statements, and utility bills. Each state is specific about the documents it will accept as proof of identification. Be sure you know your state’s voter ID requirements before Election Day.
Perhaps the country should adapt a citizenship ID card to differentiate non-citizens from citizens.
Did you get infected by reason, sense?
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I don't think there's a need to attack SGG here. That's likely to just end up getting him to side with Marcos and the others. He has been talking common sense pretty much throughout this thread.
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Since you offer no proof of the numbers you present, then it's safe to assume
that this is your educated guesstimate.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I see that about 700,000 Immigrants become new Citizens each year. With Texas having less than 10% of the US Population, we might assume 70,000 per year are there. In the past 6 years that would be 420,000.
So the assumption is that almost 100,000 of these new Citizens of the past 6 years are the only ones found in the Texas study.
Meaning the study found about 23% of these. How believable is that?
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Perhaps the country should adapt a citizenship ID card to differentiate non-citizens from citizens.
That's Racist.
Did you get infected by reason, sense?
Racist!? How so? Besides, I am offering up a suggestion based on Sigs accusation that all a body has to do is say they're a citizen in order to vote (which we all know is not true).
Perhaps I have been infected by reason/sense. Careful I may get bitten by
the Fuck You Bug!
P.S. Besides there is such a document
SGG
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Appreciate the support, but...I got this. Besides, I'm presenting a factual overview. Seems to me the way to go, since innuendo and rumor left the building.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't think there's a need to attack SGG here. That's likely to just end up getting him to side with Marcos and the others. He has been talking common sense pretty much throughout this thread.
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The article that you linked from Demos was remarkably non-specific about the "problems" that it found, and also careless about the conclusions that it drew from their statistics. For example
Quote:
As of 2014, publicly available data indicated that only about 4 percent of individuals engaging in driver’s license or identification card transactions with the California DMV indicated a desire to register to vote as part of the transaction placing the California DMV among the lowest-performing motor vehicle agencies covered by the NVRA.
Quote:
Maybe these people were registered to vote already by another means? Hey, in 11 CA counties about 110% of eligible voters are registered! I'd consider that a great success in voter registration, wouldn't you???
There may be perfectly valid reasons why motor-voter registration may get poor participation, even in states with robust registration rates. One of them may be that many youngsters register through school programs, for example.
Because of the crappy record-keeping it's impossible to say exactly what percent of eligible voters are registered in California, but even if you say that 20% of registrations are duplicates (which reflects very badly on the CA system) that still leaves 90% valid registrations for 11 of the most populous counties in CA.
So, basically what you're saying is that California is actively engaging in illegal practices in order to register voters? That's what I get from your statement. Well, in that case, then Texas is equally as guilty because the
state "discovered" 95,000 "fraudulent" cases...all under the state's DMV, a state-run entity.
That would be my case in defending the paroled woman who voted "illegally" and was summarily arrested, convicted and is now serving 5 years (a bit harsh, but that's Texas). If the Texas AG were to pursue charges, my guess is that move would prove embarrassing (and that's what did happen, no charges) because these were perfectly legal registrations.
I would sue for wrongful imprisonment since the election board employee assisted her in filling out a provisional ballot. A state-run facility and a state-trained employee failed the system and the woman. I would also involve the state-run correctional facility.
SGG
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Quote:You have suddenly started spouting reasonable, sensible solutions which reasonable folk have been clamoring for years if not decades.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Perhaps the country should adapt a citizenship ID card to differentiate non-citizens from citizens.
That's Racist.
Did you get infected by reason, sense?
Racist!? How so? Besides, I am offering up a suggestion based on Sigs accusation that all a body has to do is say they're a citizen in order to vote (which we all know is not true).
Perhaps I have been infected by reason/sense.
P.S. Besides there is such a document
SGG
Maybe you haven't been awake for the past few score, but standard Liberals have been working for the opposite of Valid Voter IDs such as your suggestion.
The standard Libtard response to Facts, Reason, Truth, Sense has been to chant That's Racist!
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Quote:No, what I'm saying is that no state requires PROOF of citizenship for voter registration. I think you even posted examples from the state of PA and NJ: All you need to do to register is attest and sign that you're eligible. It's on the honor system: No birth certificate or passport or naturalization papers are required in any state.
So, basically what you're saying is that California is actively engaging in illegal practices in order to register voters?
Now, AFA CA is concerned, the reason why there are more registered voters than eligible adults is because (they say) that many of these registrations are duplicates ... when the state sends vote-related material and the paperwork comes back as "undeliverable" the registrations are kept on the books instead of purged from the rolls. That means that registrants who may have died ... or moved out of state ... or moved to another county and re-registered there ... are still registered with their original county. They should purge these voters off the rolls because they can always offer them a provisional ballot at the polling station. According to these CA counties (which BTW refused to provide registration info to Trump's panel) only a tiny portion of people ... 12 people in LA County I think they said ... actually showed up to vote after being deemed non-responsive. The way CA handles registrations is incredibly sloppy.
In any case, my point was that a state shouldn't be judged as a "success" or "failure" based on its MOTOR-VOTER program, but on the overall percent of eligible voters who're registered to vote. There may be other programs ... high school programs, voter registration drives etc... which eligible adults prefer to use because ... Hey, I don't know about YOUR DMV, but here it involves standing in line for hours for the simplest stupid thing. And if you ask me to stand in yet another line for one more thing, I probably won't. With CA's problem with duplicate registrations it's impossible to tell exactly what percent of eligible voters are registered (110%! in some cases) but it appears to be pretty high.
Quote:What that means is that every state might have fraudulent voters. The only way to determined whether there is vote fraud - and how much - is to grab a decent-sized, geographically-distributed sampling of voter registrations and look for actual PROOF that these registrants are (1) alive (2) not registered someplace else and (3) actual citizens. They might do this by checking against death records, visa records, cross-checking against other counties, and especially against Social Security records. Ambiguous registrations should be followed up with in person, in detail, to get a good measurement of illegally-registered voters.
That's what I get from your statement. Well, in that case, then Texas is equally as guilty because the state "discovered" 95,000 "fraudulent" cases...all under the state's DMV, a state-run entity.
The big problem seems to be that these giant databases don't even talk to each other.
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Quote:A notarized copy of your birth certificate, or your naturalization papers. Or your passport, which requires one of the two.
What documents are needed for Proof of Citizenship?
Now that visiting Canada requires a passport, I went to get passports for all of us including hubby, who is a naturalized citizen. I was born out of state, but all I had to do was request a notarized copy of my birth certificate from my home county, and pay a fee. It took a while, but it eventually came through the mail. Because I married, by birth certificate and my Social Security card don't match, but Social Security has a record of me requesting a name-change, so no problem there.
With hubby, it was a little different because the name on his Social Security card and naturalization papers weren't an exact match; I forget which way we resolved that ... I think we requested a name change on his Social Security card. With dear daughter, since she was born in CA it was faster getting a notarized copy of her birth certificate.
But we weren't in a hurry, and if the requirements are implemented far in advance of any election the only problem (for poor people) might be paying the fee for the birth certificate, which is where the political parties would come in: Since THEY have an interest in registering voters, let them use their war chests to help indigents pay for the necessary papers and straighten out any conflicts between their birth certificate names, their adult names (may be married), and their Social Security cards.
It seems that there should be a national database to weed out duplicate registrations. (Yanno, like Venezuela has.) A lot of illegals get fake IDs on the basis of stolen Social Security numbers; those Social Security cards are nothing but cheap cardboard and easy to fake. Social Security should go thru its own database looking for duplicate numbers with different names and different concurrent addresses which include dead people and people who have moved. or people using stolen SSNs.
Now, voter registrations also need to know what state, county, and city you live in for state, county, and city elections, and your status with regards to whether or not you're a felon (different states have different thresholds). THAT can be done with a utility bill, rental agreement etc. but is a real problem for people with no fixed address. I find that a much knottier problem to solve.
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There are databases that can be used to purge duplicates and deaths. For some reason they don't seem to be used that often in a lot of states though.
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Still zero proof of illegals voting.
Keep trying, Russian troll. Maybe someday you'll get away with your lies because I won't be here to utterly destroy them, as I did here.
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Quote:Are you suggesting that the honorable word of an Illegal Alien Criminal, a known lawbreaker, might not be an adequate standard of proof they are not committing another Crime by Fraudulently Voting?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:No, what I'm saying is that no state requires PROOF of citizenship for voter registration. I think you even posted examples from the state of PA and NJ: All you need to do to register is attest and sign that you're eligible. It's on the honor system: No birth certificate or passport or naturalization papers are required in any state.
So, basically what you're saying is that California is actively engaging in illegal practices in order to register voters?
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Give up, troll. You lose.
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Originally posted by THG:
Voter Fraud Proven
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UPDATED: Monday, February 4, 2019 13:15
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Yep, and it was the republicans
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Texas elections chief sorry for fake news about 95,000 "illegal" voters, still wants purge
Texas secretary of state admits there weren't 95,000 "illegal" voters, but still wants to purge state's voter rolls
https://www.salon.com/2019/02/16/texas-elections-chief-sorry-for-fake-
news-about-95000-illegal-voters-still-wants-purge/
The Texas effort is akin to similar failed Republican hunts for illegal voters. Florida used a similar methodology to flag 180,000 voters whom state officials claimed were not citizens. After a contentious legal battle, the state admitted only 85 of the people on the list were non-citizens. By that time that state had already purged thousands of legal voters.
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Quote:
The TexasMueller's effort is akin to similar failedRepublicanDNC hunts forillegal votersRussian collusion.
Quote:
Still zero proof ofillegals votingRussian collusion.
Here's another equivalence:
If
Politics is dirty. I don't see either party as being especially clean, not do I see either partisan as being less deluded. They're just deluded about different things.
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I see you as not deluded, but intentionally lying because you're a Russian troll.
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I see that you just can't believe that Democrats are as big lying pieces of shit as Republicans.
Bigger, in a way, because Democrats pretend to be "for the people" while Republicans make so such claim.
But I guarantee you that once you get into the halls of power, you've either been thoroughly corrupted, or you were already so corrupt that it was easy to slide your way in.
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GOP Campaign Worker in NC Admits to Filling in Republican Votes on Absentee Ballots, Claims She Was Told to Lie
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/gop-campaign-worker-admits-to-fil
ling-in-republican-votes-on-absentee-ballots-says-she-was-later-told-to-lie/
Hey, here's that election fraud the right is always so concerned about. Oh, and it's committed by and for the right.
They obsess over voter fraud, which is virtually nonexistent. And by voter fraud, they mean anything that might impede their election fraud, which is standard procedure for the GOP.
They hate free elections because they can't win them.
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Apparently, you're right. Upheld by the SCOTUS...
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/246497-supreme-court-denies-states
-request-for-proof-of-voter-citizenship
Quote:
The Supreme Court has declined to hear a case allowing states to require proof of citizenship for those applying to vote in federal elections, effectively upholding a lower court ruling against Kansas and Arizona.
Voting rights advocates hailed the court's decision to not take up the case, Kobach v. United States Election Assistance Commission. Currently, the federal agency's form only requires applicants swear eligibility under penalty of perjury.
...and the states have their own forms.
I've known people to have moved and failed to inform the old state. And there was the case in Texas of a judge that was removed from the voter rolls because
her last name on the driver's license had her maiden name and not her married name. A judge. But, that's Texas for ya!
SGG
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Bigger, in a way, because Democrats pretend to be "for the people" while Republicans make so such claim.
Here here, at least Republicans make no bones about not giving 2 sh*ts for "the people!"
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Oh, dear. Several instances of election fraud, and they were all done by Republicans.
New Election Ordered in North Carolina Race at Center of Fraud Inquiry
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/us/mark-harris-nc-voter-fraud.html
Feeling stupid yet, trolls?
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Quote:So, "both sides are the same," right?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I see that you just can't believe that Democrats are as big lying pieces of shit as Republicans.
There is ample evidence of Republicans being huge pieces of shit, all the time, everywhere.
There is no comparison, period, and you can't troll up enough shit to support that lie.
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Republican Cries Against Voter Fraud Go Mostly Quiet After Scheme Tied to Party
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/republican-voter-fraud.html
Witnesses detailed how people working for a Harris campaign operative, L. McCrae Dowless Jr., had filled out parts of some absentee ballots and improperly collected others. On Friday, Lorrin Freeman, the district attorney in Wake County, said she could seek charges within weeks against Mr. Dowless and some of the people he hired.
“Obviously, it’s within the province of the grand jury as to whether they will return indictments,” Ms. Freeman said. “But do I anticipate there will be a criminal prosecution going forward? I do.”
State Republicans, who over the past few years have tightened voting laws and had fought to preserve Mr. Harris’s victory, were far less vociferous in denouncing voter fraud than they have been in the past.
That stands in marked contrast to 2016, when the state’s Republicans filed many complaints and claimed for a month that Roy Cooper, the Democrat who was elected governor that year, should not be seated because rampant fraud had enabled his victory. The charge proved baseless.
I am laughing at the trolls so hard right now!
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http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/democrats-arrested-and-or-con
victed-of-voter-fraud
not going to dig into this due to time but it has individuals' names and links that anyone with time on their hands, a yen for truth, and access to search engines might find fruitful
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/democrats-arrested-and-or-con
victed-of-voter-fraud
not going to dig into this due to time but it has individuals' names and links that anyone with time on their hands, a yen for truth, and access to search engines might find fruitful
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Biggest election fraud case in 50 years.
It was done by a Republican Pastor.
No, I'm not surprised at all.
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Things were so bad in North Carolina that the son of the republican that hired the ex-con (boy, that seems to fit the description of most of Trump's cabinet)
testified that he warned his father repeatedly. Talk about "scumbag" - the man
called his son, who was guilty of telling the truth of what he said to his dad, "arrogant."
By the way, the son is a US Attorney. Folks, this shit writes itself.
And now we're having a re-election. That's the only way to resolve this, period. With the whole country watching, maybe now we'll have a fair election.
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Republican Cries Against Voter Fraud Go Mostly Quiet After Scheme Tied to Party
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/republican-voter-fraud.html
Witnesses detailed how people working for a Harris campaign operative, L. McCrae Dowless Jr., had filled out parts of some absentee ballots and improperly collected others. On Friday, Lorrin Freeman, the district attorney in Wake County, said she could seek charges within weeks against Mr. Dowless and some of the people he hired.
“Obviously, it’s within the province of the grand jury as to whether they will return indictments,” Ms. Freeman said. “But do I anticipate there will be a criminal prosecution going forward? I do.”
State Republicans, who over the past few years have tightened voting laws and had fought to preserve Mr. Harris’s victory, were far less vociferous in denouncing voter fraud than they have been in the past.
That stands in marked contrast to 2016, when the state’s Republicans filed many complaints and claimed for a month that Roy Cooper, the Democrat who was elected governor that year, should not be seated because rampant fraud had enabled his victory. The charge proved baseless.
I am laughing at the trolls so hard right now!
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Oh, of course Kiki. Truth, justice and the American way!
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/democrats-arrested-and-or-con
victed-of-voter-fraud
not going to dig into this due to time but it has individuals' names and links that anyone with time on their hands, a yen for truth, and access to search engines might find fruitful
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McConnell thinks North Carolina’s election fraud scandal is a case for voter ID. It isn’t.
The Senate Majority Leader’s remarkably dishonest spin.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/26/18241652/mitch-mccon
nell-north-carolina-election-fraud-scandal
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Quote:Here we see a Troll claiming that Voter Fraud was committed by GOP, and also that Voter Fraud is nonexistent.
Originally posted:
GOP Campaign Worker in NC Admits to Filling in Republican Votes on Absentee Ballots, Claims She Was Told to Lie
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/gop-campaign-worker-admits-to-fil
ling-in-republican-votes-on-absentee-ballots-says-she-was-later-told-to-lie/
Hey, here's that election fraud the right is always so concerned about. Oh, and it's committed by and for the right.
They obsess over voter fraud, which is virtually nonexistent. And by voter fraud, they mean anything that might impede their election fraud, which is standard procedure for the GOP.
They hate free elections because they can't win them.
What a complete Fraud, proven yet again.
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Quote:Thanks.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/democrats-arrested-and-or-con
victed-of-voter-fraud
not going to dig into this due to time but it has individuals' names and links that anyone with time on their hands, a yen for truth, and access to search engines might find fruitful
Does this mean that Voter Fraud which Democraps claim is nonexistent is existing?
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Quote:Nope.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Thanks.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/democrats-arrested-and-or-con
victed-of-voter-fraud
not going to dig into this due to time but it has individuals' names and links that anyone with time on their hands, a yen for truth, and access to search engines might find fruitful
Does this mean that Voter Fraud which Democraps claim is nonexistent is existing?
Even in the extremely rare cases of voter fraud that have happened, more were Republicans.
In-person voting fraud is rare, doesn’t affect elections
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/person-voting-fraud-rare-doesnt-
affect-elections
Wow. I just keep kicking your troll asses all over the place.
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Quote:Is it curious that SGG lauds the advice from AUSA John Harris, that Ballot Harvesting is not legal in NC, but has no problem with it being the Law in CA?
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Things were so bad in North Carolina that the son of the republican that hired the ex-con (boy, that seems to fit the description of most of Trump's cabinet)
testified that he warned his father repeatedly. Talk about "scumbag" - the man
called his son, who was guilty of telling the truth of what he said to his dad, "arrogant."
By the way, the son is a US Attorney. Folks, this shit writes itself.
And now we're having a re-election. That's the only way to resolve this, period. With the whole country watching, maybe now we'll have a fair election.
SGGQuote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Republican Cries Against Voter Fraud Go Mostly Quiet After Scheme Tied to Party
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/republican-voter-fraud.html
Witnesses detailed how people working for a Harris campaign operative, L. McCrae Dowless Jr., had filled out parts of some absentee ballots and improperly collected others.
Yes, the Democraps of CA have made Voting Fraud the Law in CA. Shockers.
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It's amusing watching you double down when you've lost so badly and so embarrassingly to me, Russian troll.
I own you, every time.
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Quote:
Is it curious that SGG lauds the advice from AUSA John Harris, that Ballot Harvesting is not legal in NC, but has no problem with it being the Law in CA?
Yes, the Democraps of CA have made Voting Fraud the Law in CA. Shockers.
Deluded much?
sgg
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Quote:Translation to American English, please? Are you disputing some of the facts?
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Is it curious that SGG lauds the advice from AUSA John Harris, that Ballot Harvesting is not legal in NC, but has no problem with it being the Law in CA?
Yes, the Democraps of CA have made Voting Fraud the Law in CA. Shockers.
Deluded much?
sgg
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Plain English: You make claims without verifiable proof. You say that California has a law that allows for a private citizen to collect and gather
absentee ballots. Is this your claim? Then prove it.
You know, it's unbelievable that you don't understand my comment/response is to your claim/accusation regarding California's voter laws. My response, in plain English, was directed at your claim. Pretty simple really! If such a law exists.
In other words: Is this a fact or your opinion?
P.S. Was anyone that ran for office in California ever suspected of hiring
ex-cons to "collect" absentee ballots for the poor unfortunate souls voting
in that state? Was there an investigation? Pray tell! Post it here!
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Translation to American English, please? Are you disputing some of the facts?
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Is it curious that SGG lauds the advice from AUSA John Harris, that Ballot Harvesting is not legal in NC, but has no problem with it being the Law in CA?
Yes, the Democraps of CA have made Voting Fraud the Law in CA. Shockers.
Deluded much?
sgg
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I went ahead and looked it up myself: These dumb motherfuckers at Red State filed the following article...
http://www.redstate.com/mirandamorales/2018/10/16/ca-dem-party-sinking
-new-lows-harvest-absentee-ballots/
Of course, grossly overstated idiocy. But below I found a site, Ballotpedia;
which gives a breakdown of that particular states laws, they are as follows:
Quote:
Voting policies are enacted and enforced primarily at the state level. These policies, which include voter identification requirements, early voting provisions, online voter registration systems, and more, dictate the conditions under which American citizens cast their ballots in their individual states.
THE BASICS
California permits online voter registration, early voting, and no-excuse absentee voting.
In California, polls are open from 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.
In California, voters are not generally required to present identification at the polls.
That's how you show proof. Plain English enough for you? Or do I need to spell it out for you too? By the way, American english refers to American slang. There's no such thing as American English.
Any questions!?
SGG
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Quote:Thank you for your clarification. I did not know if you were disputing Truth and Fact (which you often do), and which one, or just ignoring the Facts I posted, or something else. I did not know you were unaware of CA Law regarding Ballot Harvesting. It has been discussed at length here in RWED, like when discussing the many cases and examples, practices, policies of Voter Fraud. I believe SIGs and/or kiki have been quite steamed about the topic.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:Plain English: You make claims without verifiable proof. You say that California has a law that allows for a private citizen to collect and gather
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Translation to American English, please? Are you disputing some of the facts?
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:Deluded much?
Is it curious that SGG lauds the advice from AUSA John Harris, that Ballot Harvesting is not legal in NC, but has no problem with it being the Law in CA?
Yes, the Democraps of CA have made Voting Fraud the Law in CA. Shockers.
sgg
absentee ballots. Is this your claim? Then prove it.
You know, it's unbelievable that you don't understand my comment/response is to your claim/accusation regarding California's voter laws. My response, in plain English, was directed at your claim. Pretty simple really! If such a law exists.
In other words: Is this a fact or your opinion?
P.S. Was anyone that ran for office in California ever suspected of hiring
ex-cons to "collect" absentee ballots for the poor unfortunate souls voting
in that state? Was there an investigation? Pray tell! Post it here!
SGG
One of the links I followed brought further mention of the CA Law, the link which detailed who John Harris was, what he specifically said, and which States his Opinion was true in.
A search for Ballot Harvesting California gave me many results.
In case you find algore's interwebs invention too befuddling, I will try to provide a linky when I get a chance. Unless somebody else beats me to it.
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Quote:Well, looks like you made attempt, but didn't find it.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I went ahead and looked it up myself: These dumb motherfuckers at Red State filed the following article...
http://www.redstate.com/mirandamorales/2018/10/16/ca-dem-party-sinking
-new-lows-harvest-absentee-ballots/
Of course, grossly overstated idiocy. But below I found a site, Ballotpedia;
which gives a breakdown of that particular states laws, they are as follows:Quote:
Voting policies are enacted and enforced primarily at the state level. These policies, which include voter identification requirements, early voting provisions, online voter registration systems, and more, dictate the conditions under which American citizens cast their ballots in their individual states.
THE BASICS
California permits online voter registration, early voting, and no-excuse absentee voting.
In California, polls are open from 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.
In California, voters are not generally required to present identification at the polls.
That's how you show proof. Plain English enough for you? Or do I need to spell it out for you too? By the way, American english refers to American slang. There's no such thing as American English.
Any questions!?
SGG
American English is a subset of English Language which includes words not present or used in British English, or Colonial English, Canadian English, or Australian English.
If you find some people chatting and without internet access, at least one of them British and one American, try getting the American to explain to the Brit what velour means. Many of us understand the translations of boot, bonnet, petrol, al-u-mini-um, between Canada, British, and American. Translation is how you convert one language to another. For instance, Ebonics is not considered English because none of the words have common usage or meaning with English.
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