Voter Fraud Proven
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Thursday, January 18, 2024 23:54
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Here, I posted this to a response to JSF. Perhaps this may shed some light on the topic. Remember now, the following is government information garnered by the state of Texas, which is conducting or has conducted the voter fraud investigation, so it cannot be "fake" news:
And, to answer your question. Yes, I believe the way to go is either driver's license or some sort of voter ID with picture to reduce, if not nullify, voter fraud; thereby shutting up those who scream bloody murder and cry "wolf" about voter fraud. But I have some other suggestions that will put this to bed:
1. each state should be responsible to make it as easy as possible to obtain said photo ID.
2. each state should hold elections to vote in a Board of Elections Chairman
that will oversee the voting process as a whole. No partisan appointees, but
strictly chosen by the people. This prevents or reduces wrongdoing by elected officials or non-citizens. The Board of Elections Chairman will run independent of any party.
3. We should also vote for a national BoE Chairman who will run and verify the election boards across the country, reporting only to the DoJ.
4. All convicted criminals shall register with the BoE in their state, once released, and shall be informed of their voting rights and eligibility. They must be informed and sign a declaration, along with their probation officer, that they have so been informed. Said form to be filed with their state of residence, a copy going to the National office of the BoE (Board of Elections)
5. All investigations by any state AG shall be filed with both the state BoE and national office.
I may think of more. Of course, that's wishful thinking, none of this will occur. It just makes too much common sense.
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just an FYI, SGG, in case you didn't know.
I'm not sure which state you vote in, but your example of needing an ID to vote is not at all a requirement in quite a few states. That's part of the argument here.
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_stateQuote:
As of January 2, 2019, 35 states enforced (or were scheduled to begin enforcing) voter identification requirements. A total of 17 states required voters to present photo identification; the remainder accepted other forms of identification.
Commonly accepted forms of ID include driver's licenses, state-issued identification cards, and military identification cards.
Interestingly enough, Texas is one of the states that require a photo ID, so it is perplexing how this could happen without somebody going through an extreme effort to make it happen. All the more reason for me to believe that these 95,000 people did not make an individual effort to get registered and that there is an organization behind it.... assuming of course the news story isn't fake news.
Can I at least take it that you support a requirement for a legal photo identification to vote given your response?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged, as opposed to 6ix.
Speak for yourself, man.
If anything, I'm saying the problem is potentially much larger than you are seeing it to be.
I'm only shifting the onus from the individual illegal aliens onto organizations working in tandem with friendlies in the government that are doing this on a massive scale.
Before I throw an insult your way after enduring not one or two, but THREE of them from you in this thread now, I'm going to invite you to re-read what I'm saying and come back with an appropriate response.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Here, I posted this to a response to JSF. Perhaps this may shed some light on the topic. Remember now, the following is government information garnered by the state of Texas, which is conducting or has conducted the voter fraud investigation, so it cannot be "fake" news:
I'm running out of "chat" time this morning, but I will watch this later. Thanks.
Quote:
And, to answer your question. Yes, I believe the way to go is either driver's license or some sort of voter ID with picture to reduce, if not nullify, voter fraud; thereby shutting up those who scream bloody murder and cry "wolf" about voter fraud. But I have some other suggestions that will put this to bed:
1. each state should be responsible to make it as easy as possible to obtain said photo ID.
2. each state should hold elections to vote in a Board of Elections Chairman
that will oversee the voting process as a whole. No partisan appointees, but
strictly chosen by the people. This prevents or reduces wrongdoing by elected officials or non-citizens. The Board of Elections Chairman will run independent of any party.
3. We should also vote for a national BoE Chairman who will run and verify the election boards across the country, reporting only to the DoJ.
4. All convicted criminals shall register with the BoE in their state, once released, and shall be informed of their voting rights and eligibility. They must be informed and sign a declaration, along with their probation officer, that they have so been informed. Said form to be filed with their state of residence, a copy going to the National office of the BoE (Board of Elections)
5. All investigations by any state AG shall be filed with both the state BoE and national office.
I may think of more. Of course, that's wishful thinking, none of this will occur. It just makes too much common sense.
SGG
See? This is why we need to try to have more civil discussions instead of all of us knuckleheads jumping down each other's throats everytime we get the chance.
I'll back everything you just said there. Consider me on board.
Though you have added a few new ideas, I said much of that myself here a few years ago when the topic came up.
One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more).
I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair.
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Oh... and in addition, given the recent stories about American Indian reservation problems with voting, I have another idea that I hadn't mentioned a few years ago since it hadn't come up.
Given that (allegedly) most American Indians in the U.S. do not have street addresses and use a P.O. Box for their residence on their reservations, something needs to be done about that as well.
In any and all cases where the above is true, their Drivers Licenses (assuming they drive) or their state ID cards should have an address field that states the reservation they live on, the name of the post office, followed by their personal P.O. Box number at the post office. These ID's should be 100% valid and accepted at the voting booths across any state where they apply.
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No, I'm tired of hearing about voter fraud and half the time it's a bunch of bullshit. You saw the report I posted by that local Texas news station, right?
This is a government-run investigation that their reporting on. The Texas AG and SoS found that these folks were registered by the state.
So, MY theory is: the state of Texas had a big "oopsie" and may or may not pursue charges. What that means is "we are right back to square one." I wouldn't go as far as saying that they're incompetent, fumbling bumbling idiots, but crying wolf whenever a Republican loses gets a little tiring.
Still though, that's the AG's job, to investigate these things. There are many
ways to approach this "crisis." One way is to correctly identify where exactly
the problem lies. Photo IDs is one way, but I would suggest running things
a lot better to begin with before flying off the handle. It's funny that
the state investigates and finds out the the state fucked up; both in feeding the process and then in the execution of that process. Well, at least the
Texas AG/SoS got to the bottom of it.
SGG
Quote:Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged, as opposed to 6ix.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
It's just a theory,
sure. But...a good one!Quote:
I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.
Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from
Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?).
They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were
flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails.
Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering:
This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done?
SGG
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Good point. And I would suggest not moving the goal posts at the last minute to allow for that to happen. Check it:
The state legislature should allow for all it's citizens to be able to vote, and not create hardships to insure a particular outcome.
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... and in addition, given the recent stories about American Indian reservation problems with voting, I have another idea that I hadn't mentioned a few years ago since it hadn't come up.
Given that (allegedly) most American Indians in the U.S. do not have street addresses and use a P.O. Box for their residence on their reservations, something needs to be done about that as well.
In any and all cases where the above is true, their Drivers Licenses (assuming they drive) or their state ID cards should have an address field that states the reservation they live on, the name of the post office, followed by their personal P.O. Box number at the post office. These ID's should be 100% valid and accepted at the voting booths across any state where they apply.
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Another good point.
Quote:
One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more).
Yes, it makes sense. But don't they have their info on those food stamps card already? Just curious. But yeah, they should be given some sort of ID when they register for food stamps. Free, as part of the process.
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I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair.
This is what I'm saying. To stop the bitching, from all sides, the above would make it fair. Agreed.
SGG
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Well... your food stamp card doesn't have a photo ID. It doesn't even have any other information on it like your address other than your first and last name. In my state, at least a few years back when I got it, you get a credit card with a simple magnetic strip and security code on the back.
It would be great if you could just merge the two offices into one and lower the overall tax burden, but that wouldn't really work in practice. (I think it already takes long enough to sit in line at the DMV already, thank you very much).
I think the best solution would be to require the same documents as proof of address and citizenship to get food stamps as is required to get the REAL ID style of Drivers Licenses. Yanno, the one with the "Star" on the front that is now the only way that you can get a passport. You'd need a birth certificate, social security card, and some form of bill sent to your address. (I think that's it. It's been a long time since I've done that)
Once this documentation was verified and processed, the client would be told to sit down at a photo booth that has the exact same tech that the DMV stations have for their photographs. This photo, along with all of the data, would be sent weekly for all qualifying new (and 6 month renewing who didn't already have one) food stamp clients to the local DMV to be processed, and within 10 days of processing a photo State ID will be mailed to them.
That's how they already handle drivers licenses in Indiana already. You do have to wait up to 10 business days for it to process and be sent in the mail. When I lived in Illinois they had MUCH more expensive machinery for the photo IDs on site and 15 to 20 minutes after you took your photograph they called you up and your ID was created on site. There is no reason for each and every station in the country to have that massive expense though when the temporary paper ID with your picture that the DMVs in Indiana provide will suffice until you get the real one in the mail.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Another good point.Quote:
One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more).
Yes, it makes sense. But don't they have their info on those food stamps card already? Just curious. But yeah, they should be given some sort of ID when they register for food stamps. Free, as part of the process.Quote:
I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair.
This is what I'm saying. To stop the bitching, from all sides, the above would make it fair. Agreed.
SGG
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As usual, the Russian trolls have it all wrong.
I will correct you with facts, as I always do.
https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2019-02-01/lege-lines-texas-gop-t
ees-up-more-voter-id-nonsense/
When newly appointed Texas Secretary of State David Whitley (until recently a top aide to Gov. Greg Abbott) released a statement on Friday, Jan. 25, advising counties to investigate a list of some 95,000 registered voters whose U.S. citizenship was possibly in doubt (of whom 58,000 have cast a ballot in the past), it ignited a voter-fraud frenzy among the usual right-wing suspects. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton tweeted, "Voter Fraud Alert: ... Any illegal vote deprives Americans of their voice," and President Spray-Tan took to his iPhone to assert that "58,000 non-citizens voted in Texas. ... These numbers are just the tip of the iceberg. All over the country, especially in California, voter fraud is rampant. Must be stopped. Strong voter ID!"
Texas already has one of the most stringent (see also: discriminatory) voter ID laws in the country. Beyond that, Whitley made no claim that the names on these lists are actually noncitizens; rather, they are people who, when they obtained a driver's license or ID card, provided the Texas Department of Public Safety with documentation (like a green card) showing they were not citizens, though legal U.S. residents. The state compared those names and Social Security numbers with the state voter rolls. So, some if not all of these suspect residents could have subsequently been naturalized, as some 50,000 Texans are each year. (Licenses and ID cards don't expire for six years.) Perhaps most importantly, these totals don't refer only to the current voter rolls or last election cycle; rather, they span more than 20 years – encompassing 1996 to 2018. Florida used a similar "weak match" methodology to produce a list of 180,000 potential noncitizen registered voters back in 2012; it ended up identifying just 85 truly ineligible voters.
But why let the facts slow down a nice big wave of white wingnut panic? Paxton has touted prosecuting a negligible number of noncitizen voting cases, but it remains a virtually nonexistent problem that, when spun in the right-wing media vortex, is used to bolster the push to tighten voter ID laws and restrict access to the ballot box, as well as generally rile up the base and harvest its money, as the Republican Party of Texas did with a fundraising appeal within hours of Whitley's statement. (More on that in this week's "Point Austin," Feb. 1.)
“History has shown that voter fraud is extremely rare and efforts to identify unlawful voting en masse have proven to be highly inaccurate.” – Andre Segura, ACLU of Texas
On Monday, Jan. 28, civil rights groups including the League of Women Voters of Texas, Workers Defense Action Fund, Texas Organizing Project, ACLU of Texas, and Jolt hit back with a letter to Whitley demanding he rescind his "advisory" to counties, saying the notice amounts to "another page straight out of the voter suppression handbook." The "woefully inadequate" investigation risks prompting a purge of thousands of eligible Texans from the voting rolls, the groups wrote, pointing to the Florida case, in which a federal judge ruled the effort was "likely to have a discriminatory impact on these new citizens."
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The coalition also asked local officials in all 254 counties to take no action until Whitley provides more transparency on the SoS methodology and procedures and ensures that lawfully registered naturalized citizens will not be flagged erroneously. "Given the long history of anti-immigrant policies and attempts at voter suppression by our Texas officials, we cannot trust that this investigation has been conducted in a fair and non-discriminatory manner," said Andre Segura, legal director for the ACLU of Texas. "History has shown that voter fraud is extremely rare and efforts to identify unlawful voting en masse have proven to be highly inaccurate. Despite President Trump's histrionic and highly inaccurate statement about voter fraud, each county in Texas must now act responsibly so that marginalized communities can exercise their right to vote without intimidation."
Officials are trying to “intimidate people who are currently legitimately registered to vote,” with an “election-related witch hunt.” – LULAC Lawsuit
The national League of United Latin American Citizens ratcheted up the fight against Paxton and Whitley Tuesday, Jan. 29, with a lawsuit claiming the officials seek to "intimidate people who are currently legitimately registered to vote," with an "election-related witch hunt." The San Antonio-based federal suit asks U.S. District Judge Fred Biery to view the attempt as a violation the Voting Rights Act. "The pretextual facade of concern about rampant voter fraud provides no cover for the voter intimidation at work here," the lawsuit reads. With egg on its face by Tuesday, the SoS advised several counties to remove names it says were included on the lists in error.
In Travis County, Voter Registrar Bruce Elfant tells us his office is conducting its own "thorough" analysis of the 4,547 potential noncitizens on the SoS list to determine its accuracy. While taking the matter seriously enough to "trust but verify" the claims, Elfant remains skeptical given his firsthand experience dealing with errors in DPS data. "Some of these allegations of massive voter fraud are premature and irresponsible," said Elfant. "We do not want to undermine the integrity of elections before we know what the answers are."
Elfant says the county is currently leaning against removing voters from the rolls immediately if they do not respond to notice letters within 30 days, pointing out that about 30% of people owed a refund by his Tax Office don't respond to those queries even when money's at stake. Other counties, including Williamson, Bastrop, and Harris, have also declined to take the bait as of yet. In a prescient statement, Beth Stevens of the Texas Civil Rights Project warned that the "alarming" advisory and Paxton's subsequent "vitriolic" statements aim to drum up support for laws during this Lege session to make it harder for eligible Texans to cast a ballot.
Sure enough, the next business day, Monday, Jan. 28, state Sen. Pat Fallon, R-Prosper, filed Senate Bill 482, which would require a citizenship verification on voter registrations, teeing off a likely messy debate under the pink dome, with the GOP using the SoS "investigation" as ammo. To address the genuine problem of not enough people at the Texas polls, some legislators, such as state Rep. Celia Israel, D-Austin, are working on the flip side to make voting more accessible. Israel's HB 361 would let residents register to vote online – Texas is one of just 13 states in the country that don't have a system in place. This isn't the first time Israel has filed the bill – in 2015 it was left pending in committee, and in 2017 it never received a hearing, underscoring just how truly enthusiastic the GOP is about promoting the right to vote.
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