Voter Fraud Proven
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Thursday, January 18, 2024 23:54
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I don't think there's a need to attack SGG here. That's likely to just end up getting him to side with Marcos and the others. He has been talking common sense pretty much throughout this thread.
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Since you offer no proof of the numbers you present, then it's safe to assume
that this is your educated guesstimate.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I see that about 700,000 Immigrants become new Citizens each year. With Texas having less than 10% of the US Population, we might assume 70,000 per year are there. In the past 6 years that would be 420,000.
So the assumption is that almost 100,000 of these new Citizens of the past 6 years are the only ones found in the Texas study.
Meaning the study found about 23% of these. How believable is that?
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Perhaps the country should adapt a citizenship ID card to differentiate non-citizens from citizens.
That's Racist.
Did you get infected by reason, sense?
Racist!? How so? Besides, I am offering up a suggestion based on Sigs accusation that all a body has to do is say they're a citizen in order to vote (which we all know is not true).
Perhaps I have been infected by reason/sense. Careful I may get bitten by
the Fuck You Bug!
P.S. Besides there is such a document
SGG
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Appreciate the support, but...I got this. Besides, I'm presenting a factual overview. Seems to me the way to go, since innuendo and rumor left the building.
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't think there's a need to attack SGG here. That's likely to just end up getting him to side with Marcos and the others. He has been talking common sense pretty much throughout this thread.
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The article that you linked from Demos was remarkably non-specific about the "problems" that it found, and also careless about the conclusions that it drew from their statistics. For example
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As of 2014, publicly available data indicated that only about 4 percent of individuals engaging in driver’s license or identification card transactions with the California DMV indicated a desire to register to vote as part of the transaction placing the California DMV among the lowest-performing motor vehicle agencies covered by the NVRA.
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Maybe these people were registered to vote already by another means? Hey, in 11 CA counties about 110% of eligible voters are registered! I'd consider that a great success in voter registration, wouldn't you???
There may be perfectly valid reasons why motor-voter registration may get poor participation, even in states with robust registration rates. One of them may be that many youngsters register through school programs, for example.
Because of the crappy record-keeping it's impossible to say exactly what percent of eligible voters are registered in California, but even if you say that 20% of registrations are duplicates (which reflects very badly on the CA system) that still leaves 90% valid registrations for 11 of the most populous counties in CA.
So, basically what you're saying is that California is actively engaging in illegal practices in order to register voters? That's what I get from your statement. Well, in that case, then Texas is equally as guilty because the
state "discovered" 95,000 "fraudulent" cases...all under the state's DMV, a state-run entity.
That would be my case in defending the paroled woman who voted "illegally" and was summarily arrested, convicted and is now serving 5 years (a bit harsh, but that's Texas). If the Texas AG were to pursue charges, my guess is that move would prove embarrassing (and that's what did happen, no charges) because these were perfectly legal registrations.
I would sue for wrongful imprisonment since the election board employee assisted her in filling out a provisional ballot. A state-run facility and a state-trained employee failed the system and the woman. I would also involve the state-run correctional facility.
SGG
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Quote:You have suddenly started spouting reasonable, sensible solutions which reasonable folk have been clamoring for years if not decades.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Perhaps the country should adapt a citizenship ID card to differentiate non-citizens from citizens.
That's Racist.
Did you get infected by reason, sense?
Racist!? How so? Besides, I am offering up a suggestion based on Sigs accusation that all a body has to do is say they're a citizen in order to vote (which we all know is not true).
Perhaps I have been infected by reason/sense.
P.S. Besides there is such a document
SGG
Maybe you haven't been awake for the past few score, but standard Liberals have been working for the opposite of Valid Voter IDs such as your suggestion.
The standard Libtard response to Facts, Reason, Truth, Sense has been to chant That's Racist!
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Quote:No, what I'm saying is that no state requires PROOF of citizenship for voter registration. I think you even posted examples from the state of PA and NJ: All you need to do to register is attest and sign that you're eligible. It's on the honor system: No birth certificate or passport or naturalization papers are required in any state.
So, basically what you're saying is that California is actively engaging in illegal practices in order to register voters?
Now, AFA CA is concerned, the reason why there are more registered voters than eligible adults is because (they say) that many of these registrations are duplicates ... when the state sends vote-related material and the paperwork comes back as "undeliverable" the registrations are kept on the books instead of purged from the rolls. That means that registrants who may have died ... or moved out of state ... or moved to another county and re-registered there ... are still registered with their original county. They should purge these voters off the rolls because they can always offer them a provisional ballot at the polling station. According to these CA counties (which BTW refused to provide registration info to Trump's panel) only a tiny portion of people ... 12 people in LA County I think they said ... actually showed up to vote after being deemed non-responsive. The way CA handles registrations is incredibly sloppy.
In any case, my point was that a state shouldn't be judged as a "success" or "failure" based on its MOTOR-VOTER program, but on the overall percent of eligible voters who're registered to vote. There may be other programs ... high school programs, voter registration drives etc... which eligible adults prefer to use because ... Hey, I don't know about YOUR DMV, but here it involves standing in line for hours for the simplest stupid thing. And if you ask me to stand in yet another line for one more thing, I probably won't. With CA's problem with duplicate registrations it's impossible to tell exactly what percent of eligible voters are registered (110%! in some cases) but it appears to be pretty high.
Quote:What that means is that every state might have fraudulent voters. The only way to determined whether there is vote fraud - and how much - is to grab a decent-sized, geographically-distributed sampling of voter registrations and look for actual PROOF that these registrants are (1) alive (2) not registered someplace else and (3) actual citizens. They might do this by checking against death records, visa records, cross-checking against other counties, and especially against Social Security records. Ambiguous registrations should be followed up with in person, in detail, to get a good measurement of illegally-registered voters.
That's what I get from your statement. Well, in that case, then Texas is equally as guilty because the state "discovered" 95,000 "fraudulent" cases...all under the state's DMV, a state-run entity.
The big problem seems to be that these giant databases don't even talk to each other.
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Quote:A notarized copy of your birth certificate, or your naturalization papers. Or your passport, which requires one of the two.
What documents are needed for Proof of Citizenship?
Now that visiting Canada requires a passport, I went to get passports for all of us including hubby, who is a naturalized citizen. I was born out of state, but all I had to do was request a notarized copy of my birth certificate from my home county, and pay a fee. It took a while, but it eventually came through the mail. Because I married, by birth certificate and my Social Security card don't match, but Social Security has a record of me requesting a name-change, so no problem there.
With hubby, it was a little different because the name on his Social Security card and naturalization papers weren't an exact match; I forget which way we resolved that ... I think we requested a name change on his Social Security card. With dear daughter, since she was born in CA it was faster getting a notarized copy of her birth certificate.
But we weren't in a hurry, and if the requirements are implemented far in advance of any election the only problem (for poor people) might be paying the fee for the birth certificate, which is where the political parties would come in: Since THEY have an interest in registering voters, let them use their war chests to help indigents pay for the necessary papers and straighten out any conflicts between their birth certificate names, their adult names (may be married), and their Social Security cards.
It seems that there should be a national database to weed out duplicate registrations. (Yanno, like Venezuela has.) A lot of illegals get fake IDs on the basis of stolen Social Security numbers; those Social Security cards are nothing but cheap cardboard and easy to fake. Social Security should go thru its own database looking for duplicate numbers with different names and different concurrent addresses which include dead people and people who have moved. or people using stolen SSNs.
Now, voter registrations also need to know what state, county, and city you live in for state, county, and city elections, and your status with regards to whether or not you're a felon (different states have different thresholds). THAT can be done with a utility bill, rental agreement etc. but is a real problem for people with no fixed address. I find that a much knottier problem to solve.
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There are databases that can be used to purge duplicates and deaths. For some reason they don't seem to be used that often in a lot of states though.
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