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Quote:Well, there's the simple fact that they haven't committed any terrorists acts.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:hint to 6:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Everyone involved is trash and will all eventually be labeled as terrorists.
https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/anarchist-extremists-antif
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(Right click and "view image" to blow it up and read it.)
Facts that are clear to you and any reasonable person are coded as Libtard "fake news" for the deniers.
Antifa never walked into a church and murdered 9 black people. Antifa didn't drive a car into a crowd of people. Antifa didn't beat a man with a tiki torch and end up killing him. Antifa never promoted genocide and racism.
That's what you Nazis do. You're the textbook definition of terrorists.
Funny how everything there talks about Nazi violence and the heroic Antifas who stand up to it.
Plus New Jersey's governor is a racist himself, so it's no surprise his racist thugs would intentionally mis-classify their moral superiors.
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Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I find particularly distressing is how SOME people on this board are so willing to divide Americans into "them" and "us", and categorize and then castigate entire groups of people who IN THEIR MINDS believe/ stand for IN THEIR MINDS repugnant ideas.
Let's test your honesty and powers of observation. Cites for above please. My guess is you will conveniently leave some people out and also mistakenly *cough* lie *cough* about others. Do make sure you include how you hate Liberals and Democrats.
You can put me down for hating all white supremacists, racists, KKK, cheaters, stealers, bullies, idiots, dummies, lunkheads, pretentious louts, egomaniacs, bores, dictatorial fatheads and humorless stooges.
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SIG, you just self diagnosed, that's progress.
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Sign and share.
Restore federal funding to stop white supremacist hate
Tell DHS and key congressional leaders: Restore federal funding to stop Nazis, white supremacists and other right-wing extremists engaging in domestic terrorism.
https://act.credoaction.com/sign/stophate?t=3&akid=24595%2E4638197
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lol... Nazi's and Satanists now, huh?
The word Nazi is losing it's meaning so you had to tack something else on it.
Was that you or the huffPo? No way I'd ever click on their link to find that one out, but that wouldn't surprise me.
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Quote:"At least two journalists in Virginia were assaulted by violent counter-protesters ..." "By any means necessary they say can mean outing the nationalists at their work, or to their neighbors. Or, as we've seen recently, violence - fires, property damage, hand to hand combat, at protests across the country."
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Well, there's the simple fact that they haven't committed any terrorists acts.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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To be fair though.... a lot of them are just privlidged college kids who broke away from their safe spaces for the weekend to act out their V for Vendetta fantasies. Just a bunch of whiny pussies that our school system made.
Remember when all those "scary clowns" were showing up all over the place for a while? All of the sudden some bad things were happening to people dressing up like clowns and you don't really hear about them anymore, do you?
I'm not calling for it, and I'd wish they would stop before it gets to that point, but eventually they're going to start getting beat around pretty good and when it's not a fun thing to do anymore most of them will go away.
The ones that stay are the ones that you have to keep an eye on at that point.
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Frem wrote about the Black Bloc years ago. Today it appears that the most often violent wing of the Antifa protests is the Black Bloc, though Antifa demonstrators are violent in their own right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc
A black bloc is a name given to groups of protesters who wear black clothing, scarves, sunglasses, ski masks, motorcycle helmets with padding, or other face-concealing and face-protecting items.[1][2] The clothing is used to conceal marchers' identities, and hinder criminal prosecution ... The tactic was developed in the 1980s ... Black blocs gained broader media attention outside Europe during the 1999 Seattle WTO protests, when a black bloc damaged property of GAP, Starbucks, Old Navy, and other multinational retail locations in downtown Seattle.
(the German black bloc) main focus became the struggle against the recurring popularity of Neo-Nazism in Germany. On the day of President Donald Trump's inauguration, black bloc groups were present among other protests in Washington D.C. and other places. The groups engaged in vandalism, rioting, and violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_%28United_States%29
Antifa is a far-left militant political movement of autonomous, self-described anti-fascist groups in the United States.
These groups are usually anti-government and anti-capitalist, and their methodologies and tactics are more aggressively violent and anarchistic than those of associated groups in the far left.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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I know what they are. I don't disagree with you. There are a lot of scary people in the antifa movement.
All I'm saying is that a lot of them are the exact opposite of scary. The type of kids that are going to come back from college with their worthless liberal arts degree and live at their parents house into their 40's and bitch to the world that they shouldn't have had to pay for college.
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There were Antifa and Black Bloc members that instigated violence in their own right at Charlottesville. They weren't all the twee caricatures you describe (and caricatures are a form of dehumanization, btw).
The violence wasn't nearly as one-sided as portrayed in the propaganda that passes for news.
Trump was factual. There was violence on BOTH sides of agglomerated interests.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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I agree with all of that. There are a lot of dangerous people in antifa and they did instigate violence. I'm not flip flopping here.
I'm just saying the movement is nowhere as near as big as people think it is. Antifa most of all would not admit that.
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Quote:Who's DJ?
DJ is rarely ever factual.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:So, do you hate much?
You can put me down for hating all white supremacists, racists, KKK, cheaters, stealers, bullies, idiots, dummies, lunkheads, pretentious louts, egomaniacs, bores, dictatorial fatheads and humorless stooges.
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581
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Originally posted by G:
I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists...
You sure that "violent" needs to be a factor?
I'm only asking because who decides who is a Neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist? I've been called the former by Guy Fawkes no less than a dozen times in the last few days. Is it alright in your eyes that somebody come to my house and drag me out and beat the shit out of me?
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other than the fact that it won't solve anything.
You're right about that part. I'd argue that it only makes the problem worse and you're going to see more people join in this idiocy than otherwise would have if it doesn't stop.
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Still, while we work on ridding the country of them, I'm happy to know some of them got shit canned.
We?
Ridding the country of them?
Who are these "we" you're talking about? Are you doing something right now in this effort? If you are, how are you "ridding the country" of anyone? Are you shipping them to another country? Are you killing them?
WTF are you even talking about?
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by G:
I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists...
You sure that "violent" needs to be a factor?
I'm only asking because who decides who is a Neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist? I've been called the former by Guy Fawkes no less than a dozen times in the last few days. Is it alright in your eyes that somebody come to my house and drag me out and beat the shit out of me?Quote:
other than the fact that it won't solve anything.
You're right about that part. I'd argue that it only makes the problem worse and you're going to see more people join in this idiocy than otherwise would have if it doesn't stop.Quote:
Still, while we work on ridding the country of them, I'm happy to know some of them got shit canned.
We?
Ridding the country of them?
Who are these "we" you're talking about? Are you doing something right now in this effort? If you are, how are you "ridding the country" of anyone? Are you shipping them to another country? Are you killing them?
WTF are you even talking about?
Exactly.
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581
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Quote:SGG, KPO, SECOND - are you signing on to this as well?
Originally posted by G:
Which Trump are you talking about? DJ is rarely ever factual. If you think you can tell anything from those news clips you're smoking bad weed. Those sides are dressed alike most of the time (dark battle gear) and there was so much chaos it could have been anyone hitting anyone (except the black youth getting beaten in a parking garage... and oh yeah, Heather Heyer getting run over and killed by a Nazi).
I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists... other than the fact that it won't solve anything. Still, while we work on ridding the country of them, I'm happy to know some of them got shit canned.
Do you think America is a better country with Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists and Racists?
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Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:Wow.
Originally posted by G:Quote:You can put me down for hating all white supremacists, racists, KKK, cheaters, stealers, bullies, idiots, dummies, lunkheads, pretentious louts, egomaniacs, bores, dictatorial fatheads and humorless stooges.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I find particularly distressing is how SOME people on this board are so willing to divide Americans into "them" and "us", and categorize and then castigate entire groups of people who IN THEIR MINDS believe/ stand for IN THEIR MINDS repugnant ideas.
You really,really hate Democraps and other Liberals with a vengeance.
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Quote:Facts, schmacts. Truth is overrated when dealing with Libtards.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:"At least two journalists in Virginia were assaulted by violent counter-protesters ..." "By any means necessary they say can mean outing the nationalists at their work, or to their neighbors. Or, as we've seen recently, violence - fires, property damage, hand to hand combat, at protests across the country."
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Well, there's the simple fact that they haven't committed any terrorists acts.
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Quote:G's best friend and mentor, his hero.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:Who's DJ?
DJ is rarely ever factual.
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Originally posted by G:
DJ is rarely ever factual.
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Who's DJ?
Quote:Eh - doesn't help. All I'm coming up with is Dow Jones and Dee-Jay.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
G's best friend and mentor, his hero.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:Not me. It's a revenge fantasy. A Democrat might indulge himself with the fantasy on fireflyfans.net, but wouldn't do it.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:SECOND - are you signing on to this as well?
Originally posted by G:
I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists... other than the fact that it won't solve anything. Still, while we work on ridding the country of them, I'm happy to know some of them got shit canned.
www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/sunday/i-voted-for-trump-and-i-sore
ly-regret-it.html
. . . as one of the few people in the media who has been somewhat sympathetic to Mr. Trump, I am often asked to comment on his surprise victory, or more recently on his statements, policies and the gusher of news pouring out of this White House. For months, despite increasing chaos and incoherence, I have given Mr. Trump the benefit of the doubt: “No, I don’t really think he is a racist,” I have told skeptical audiences. “Yes, he says some stupid things, but none of it really matters; he’s not really that incompetent.” Or: “They’ve made some mistakes, but it’s still early.”
It’s no longer early. Not only has the president failed to make the course corrections necessary to save his administration, but his increasingly appalling conduct will continue to repel anyone who might once have been inclined to work with him.
From the very start of his run, one of the most serious charges against Mr. Trump was that he panders to racists. Many of his supporters, myself included, managed to convince ourselves that his more outrageous comments — such as the Judge Gonzalo Curiel controversy or his initial hesitance to disavow David Duke’s endorsement — were merely Bidenesque gaffes committed during the heat of a campaign.
It is now clear that we were deluding ourselves. Either Mr. Trump is genuinely sympathetic to the David Duke types, or he is so obtuse as to be utterly incapable of learning from his worst mistakes. Either way, he continues to prove his harshest critics right.
Mr. Trump once boasted that he could shoot someone in the street and not lose voters. Well, someone was just killed in the street by a white supremacist in Charlottesville. His refusal this weekend to specifically and immediately denounce the groups responsible for this intolerable violence was both morally disgusting and monumentally stupid. In this, Mr. Trump failed perhaps the easiest imaginable test of presidential leadership. Rather than advance a vision of national unity that he claims to represent, his indefensible equivocation can only inflame the most vicious forces of division within our country.
. . . after more than 200 days in office, Mr. Trump’s behavior grows only more reprehensible. Meanwhile, his administration has no significant legislative accomplishments — and no apparent plan to deliver any. Wilbur Ross’s Commerce Department has advanced some sensible and appropriately incremental changes to trade policy, but no long-term agenda has been articulated. Senators Tom Cotton and David Perdue’s recently proposed legislation offers a sound basis for reforming immigration policy, but seems to have no prospects and has received comparatively little attention. The administration inexplicably downgraded infrastructure and corporate tax reform — issues with potentially broad-based support — to pursue a warmed-over version of Paul Ryan’s Obamacare repeal, which ended, predictably, in a humiliating failure.
Nothing disastrous has occurred on the foreign policy front — yet — but the never-ending chaos within the administration hardly inspires confidence.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by G:
I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists... other than the fact that it won't solve anything. Still, while we work on ridding the country of them, I'm happy to know some of them got shit canned.
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
SECOND - are you signing on to this as well?
Quote:Indulge you do.
Originally posted by second:
Not me. It's a revenge fantasy. A Democrat might indulge himself with the fantasy on fireflyfans.net, but wouldn't do it.
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=1
036425#1036425
I don't need a moat. To make America great again in a Civil War I'll be literally hunting for people like you. It will be fun, at least for me, but not for you.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:SGG, KPO - are you signing on to this as well?
Originally posted by G:
Which Trump are you talking about? DJ is rarely ever factual. If you think you can tell anything from those news clips you're smoking bad weed. Those sides are dressed alike most of the time (dark battle gear) and there was so much chaos it could have been anyone hitting anyone (except the black youth getting beaten in a parking garage... and oh yeah, Heather Heyer getting run over and killed by a Nazi).
I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists... other than the fact that it won't solve anything. Still, while we work on ridding the country of them, I'm happy to know some of them got shit canned.
Do you think America is a better country with Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists and Racists?
==============================
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:I've had guns pointed at me, last year, in real life. Nobody died; I talked my out rather than shoot it out. I've been killing my limit of deer for 15 years. I could be an award winning sniper, the Chris Kyle of the next Civil War, but that is a wide, bright line I'm not crossing in this life. Maybe in a fantasy, but never in reality because what would parents think?
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by G:
I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists... other than the fact that it won't solve anything. Still, while we work on ridding the country of them, I'm happy to know some of them got shit canned.Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
SECOND - are you signing on to this as well?Quote:Indulge you do.
Originally posted by second:
Not me. It's a revenge fantasy. A Democrat might indulge himself with the fantasy on fireflyfans.net, but wouldn't do it.Quote:
Originally posted by second:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=1
036425#1036425
I don't need a moat. To make America great again in a Civil War I'll be literally hunting for people like you. It will be fun, at least for me, but not for you.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/01/22/iraqi-sniper-the-
legendary-insurgent-who-claimed-to-have-killed-scores-of-american-soldiers/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:SGG, KPO - are you signing on to this as well?
Originally posted by G:
Which Trump are you talking about? DJ is rarely ever factual. If you think you can tell anything from those news clips you're smoking bad weed. Those sides are dressed alike most of the time (dark battle gear) and there was so much chaos it could have been anyone hitting anyone (except the black youth getting beaten in a parking garage... and oh yeah, Heather Heyer getting run over and killed by a Nazi).
I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists... other than the fact that it won't solve anything. Still, while we work on ridding the country of them, I'm happy to know some of them got shit canned.
Do you think America is a better country with Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists and Racists?
==============================
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
wow. Thanks, I never would have gotten that reference.
I have to ask...WHY THE HELL NOT?? Where were you in the 90's or the 2000's?
Are you 16 yrs old? Did you just get TV? Did you grow up under a ROCK??
Even the people I know that do not like sci-fi know what "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS" is from. And this isn't the first time you haven't had a clue about references everyone else knows. Your grammar is bad as well. Are you Russian? Do you have brain damage?? Are you locked in a basement??
Seriously, what IS wrong with you??
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What cluster of events/ reactions led you to realize that you were dealing with a narcissist? I'm just really, really, really curious.
First, let me say that this is all new and fresh to me because it was recently that I encountered a female narc, and through that experience I discovered that my ex was also a narc.
Without going into too much detail, here's what I experienced:
Gaslighting: manipulate someone by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
For instance; saying that you did something in the past that was bad and wrong, but it wasn't you that did it, but the narc insists to the point of you questioning yourself "did I do that?"
My ex-girlfriend accused me of having an affair with a female friend of mine. She also accused me of hiding my cell phone so that she would not find out the truth (about my so-called affair). When I would deny it, she would only increase the frequency of her accusations. And, even though I would spend most of my free time with my girlfriend, she would accuse me of going behind her back to "hook up" with my "secret lover."
Of course, none of this was so, but the more I defended myself the more she would argue and say that it was her sound reasoning that brought her to that conclusion. She claimed that she never lies, she claimed to know about a lot of things but her best trait was discovering liars. This, of course, happened over a period of time (you may be asking why I continued the relationship with her for 4 months); she did not reveal this behavior in a fell swoop; like my ex-wife, she was very cunning and manipulative - it's what they do. It's very subtle until you begin to step back and really analyze the peculiar behavior.
They, at first, shower you with what is known as the "love bomb" - plenty of love and affection at the beginning of the relationship. They garner info on your idiosyncrasies, patterns of behavior and plan their mode of attack. Like I said, it's subtle at first. They tell you that they love you and coddle you, put you on a pedestal, then they lower the boom on you.
I started to notice similar patterns between her and my ex-wife like; the subtle little lies, the questioning your view of the event(s); then finally the arguments over the smallest things. But the most telling sign is the manipulation of the truth and your view of it; it would make me question myself. For instance; we met on an online dating site and she told me on the very first date, that she despised men who would not wear a shirt to show off their muscles. She thought it vulgar and cheap, and that she would never respond to men who did that.
Then one day she was showing me pictures of her family on her I-Phone and of her ex-husband (gee, she would say to me, what a jerk he was); when suddenly up pops a picture of a young stud (I'm assuming naked) with a selfie of his bare chest. She sheepishly (and quickly) swiped the picture away, but when I confronted her she claimed he was a friend and denied that she had ever said that she despised men who did that. It was only a matter of weeks before, plus how she was so adamant about her total dislike and disdain for such behavior from men, especially young men (since it reminded her of her son, age 32). I know what I heard her say, it was the first moment that I felt she was taking me for a "ride."
There are other instances, but you get the idea. Manipulation, cunning and deceiving extraordinaire. That's what I mean about keeping my wits about me.
It was only upon doing my research as to the patterns of behavior of this woman that led me to believe that my ex-wife was also a narc. Now, there are different types of narcs - aside from men and women narcs - there are those that are overt and those that are covert. They, both men and women, think that they are God's gift to sex.
They are very promiscuous; they often have several "hooks" on the line simultaneously; they have a "need" to be ri
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Quote:Holy crap, SHINY, that's insane. I mean, really crazy.
What cluster of events/ reactions led you to realize that you were dealing with a narcissist? I'm just really, really, really curious.- SIGNY
First, let me say that this is all new and fresh to me because it was recently that I encountered a female narc, and through that experience I discovered that my ex was also a narc.
Without going into too much detail, here's what I experienced:
Gaslighting: manipulate someone by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
For instance; saying that you did something in the past that was bad and wrong, but it wasn't you that did it, but the narc insists to the point of you questioning yourself "did I do that?"
My ex-girlfriend accused me of having an affair with a female friend of mine. She also accused me of hiding my cell phone so that she would not find out the truth (about my so-called affair). When I would deny it, she would only increase the frequency of her accusations. And, even though I would spend most of my free time with my girlfriend, she would accuse me of going behind her back to "hook up" with my "secret lover." - SHINY
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581
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Quote:when I knew females like that, it seemed they were always Soap Opera addicts. They seemed to really actually believe that the melodrama on soaps was the real world, and without imagining that the same drama was in their own lives, it would be too unexciting.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:First, let me say that this is all new and fresh to me because it was recently that I encountered a female narc, and through that experience I discovered that my ex was also a narc.
What cluster of events/ reactions led you to realize that you were dealing with a narcissist? I'm just really, really, really curious.
Without going into too much detail, here's what I experienced:
Gaslighting: manipulate someone by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
For instance; saying that you did something in the past that was bad and wrong, but it wasn't you that did it, but the narc insists to the point of you questioning yourself "did I do that?"
My ex-girlfriend accused me of having an affair with a female friend of mine. She also accused me of hiding my cell phone so that she would not find out the truth (about my so-called affair). When I would deny it, she would only increase the frequency of her accusations. And, even though I would spend most of my free time with my girlfriend, she would accuse me of going behind her back to "hook up" with my "secret lover."
I tried talking sensibly to them, but it was an alternate reality.
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Exactly, they create and maintain an alternate reality, they are compelled by their illness (if you could call it that) and work hard to keep their "world" alive.
They convince themselves that they are right, everybody else is wrong!
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:when I knew females like that, it seemed they were always Soap Opera addicts. They seemed to really actually believe that the melodrama on soaps was the real world, and without imagining that the same drama was in their own lives, it would be too unexciting.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
What cluster of events/ reactions led you to realize that you were dealing with a narcissist? I'm just really, really, really curious.
First, let me say that this is all new and fresh to me because it was recently that I encountered a female narc, and through that experience I discovered that my ex was also a narc.
Without going into too much detail, here's what I experienced:
Gaslighting: manipulate someone by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
For instance; saying that you did something in the past that was bad and wrong, but it wasn't you that did it, but the narc insists to the point of you questioning yourself "did I do that?"
My ex-girlfriend accused me of having an affair with a female friend of mine. She also accused me of hiding my cell phone so that she would not find out the truth (about my so-called affair). When I would deny it, she would only increase the frequency of her accusations. And, even though I would spend most of my free time with my girlfriend, she would accuse me of going behind her back to "hook up" with my "secret lover."
I tried talking sensibly to them, but it was an alternate reality.
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@SGG
Ain't dating wonderful?
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Yes, in some cases - BAT SHIT crazy!
It's the manipulation that drives them, that and the world that they create to float their egos. They believe it so strongly, that you must be careful
when confronting them with the truth.
I searched my soul deeply for answers and to self-evaluate as to why I met up with two in my lifetime. My ex wife and this woman, 30 years apart, but still met them I did.
Now I know what to look for.
SGG
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Fuck yeah, you're preaching to the choir...lol
SGG
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@SGG
Ain't dating wonderful?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
wow. Thanks, I never would have gotten that reference.
I have to ask...WHY THE HELL NOT?? Where were you in the 90's or the 2000's?
Are you 16 yrs old? Did you just get TV? Did you grow up under a ROCK??
Even the people I know that do not like sci-fi know what "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS" is from. And this isn't the first time you haven't had a clue about references everyone else knows. Your grammar is bad as well. Are you Russian? Do you have brain damage?? Are you locked in a basement??
Seriously, what IS wrong with you??
Wow... another viscous attack from Wish. (Big surprise). This one just about as petty as it gets.
I'd be willing to bet that far more people in America would not get the 4 lights reference than those that do, even those who grew up in that era.
I love Sci-Fi. I couldn't stand TNG. It was the most boring entry to Star Trek, and it went on forever. I kind of liked Deep Space Nine and Voyager was alright. Honestly, I don't know why people like ST all that much. It's just mediocre all around.
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Here's why I shared. It has nothing to do with politics. I was given some sound advice and that person asked that I pass it on, when I was ready.
It's part of the healing process, plus it may do someone going through something similar, some good.
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Holy crap, SHINY, that's insane. I mean, really crazy.
What cluster of events/ reactions led you to realize that you were dealing with a narcissist? I'm just really, really, really curious.- SIGNY
First, let me say that this is all new and fresh to me because it was recently that I encountered a female narc, and through that experience I discovered that my ex was also a narc.
Without going into too much detail, here's what I experienced:
Gaslighting: manipulate someone by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
For instance; saying that you did something in the past that was bad and wrong, but it wasn't you that did it, but the narc insists to the point of you questioning yourself "did I do that?"
My ex-girlfriend accused me of having an affair with a female friend of mine. She also accused me of hiding my cell phone so that she would not find out the truth (about my so-called affair). When I would deny it, she would only increase the frequency of her accusations. And, even though I would spend most of my free time with my girlfriend, she would accuse me of going behind her back to "hook up" with my "secret lover." - SHINY
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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That kind of coldly intentional deceit and manipulation in order to 'win' feels a lot more like psychopathy to me.
Though whatever name you call it by it's still effed up.
And I'm glad you got out after only 4 months. It's not that long in the grand scheme of things, and it seems like no major damage - credit cards stolen, deadly diseases - was done. So - - - good for you!
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Originally posted by G:
I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists...
You sure that "violent" needs to be a factor?
I'm only asking because who decides who is a Neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist? I've been called the former by Guy Fawkes no less than a dozen times in the last few days. Is it alright in your eyes that somebody come to my house and drag me out and beat the shit out of me?
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other than the fact that it won't solve anything.
You're right about that part. I'd argue that it only makes the problem worse and you're going to see more people join in this idiocy than otherwise would have if it doesn't stop.
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Still, while we work on ridding the country of them, I'm happy to know some of them got shit canned.
We?
Ridding the country of them?
Who are these "we" you're talking about? Are you doing something right now in this effort? If you are, how are you "ridding the country" of anyone? Are you shipping them to another country? Are you killing them?
WTF are you even talking about?
EDIT: Asking it again because it was ignored or missed.
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I agree. It's cold blooded and harmful, and it could prove deadly if you fuck with the wrong person. I've heard of cases, on both sides of the fence.
Meaning narcs harming folk, and of narcs being harmed by folks. Plus with a narc you never know when they are speaking truth, perhaps never.
SGG
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
SGG
That kind of coldly intentional deceit and manipulation in order to 'win' feels a lot more like psychopathy to me.
Though whatever name you call it by it's still effed up.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Quote:ding ding ding ding. I liked the TOS and Voyager. DS9 and STNG were lame, other than Yesterday's Enterprise. Whoopi? Jean Luc? Fraker? Get real.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:Wow... another viscous attack from Wish. (Big surprise). This one just about as petty as it gets.
Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:I have to ask...WHY THE HELL NOT?? Where were you in the 90's or the 2000's?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
wow. Thanks, I never would have gotten that reference.
Are you 16 yrs old? Did you just get TV? Did you grow up under a ROCK??
Even the people I know that do not like sci-fi know what "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS" is from. And this isn't the first time you haven't had a clue about references everyone else knows. Your grammar is bad as well. Are you Russian? Do you have brain damage?? Are you locked in a basement??
Seriously, what IS wrong with you??
I'd be willing to bet that far more people in America would not get the 4 lights reference than those that do, even those who grew up in that era.
I love Sci-Fi. I couldn't stand TNG. It was the most boring entry to Star Trek, and it went on forever. I kind of liked Deep Space Nine and Voyager was alright. Honestly, I don't know why people like ST all that much. It's just mediocre all around.
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Quote:I've met a lot more than 2, and early on. It might help to realize that they are the only ones with a monitor to see behind the scenes, and they see the soap people are so blind to shenanigans around them.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, in some cases - BAT SHIT crazy!
It's the manipulation that drives them, that and the world that they create to float their egos. They believe it so strongly, that you must be careful
when confronting them with the truth.
I searched my soul deeply for answers and to self-evaluate as to why I met up with two in my lifetime. My ex wife and this woman, 30 years apart, but still met them I did.
Now I know what to look for.
SGG
Ever WATCH a Soap? Doctors never doctor, nurses never nurse, lawyers never discuss or argue law. The most productive people are housewives or maids. There is no time for irrelevant stuff like WORK.
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You sure that "violent" needs to be a factor?
I'm only asking because who decides who is a Neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist? I've been called the former by Guy Fawkes no less than a dozen times in the last few days. Is it alright in your eyes that somebody come to my house and drag me out and beat the shit out of me?
Me, I'm talking about like in Charlottesville. A rally/march whatever you want to call it. Of course, I don't agree with dragging a person out of their house to kick their ass, well there are some rare exceptions (known child molester, for instance).
Let me say one thing positive: at least with these White Supremacists they let you know their intentions. But no, I don't advocate violence unless defense is involved. Besides I think it would be bat-shit crazy doing the very thing Nazis were accused of during WWII, dragging people from their homes merely because they worshipped in a certain way or because of skin color, for that matter.
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You're right about that part. I'd argue that it only makes the problem worse and you're going to see more people join in this idiocy than otherwise would have if it doesn't stop.
To be honest, I've been going back and forth about this because of the argument over how to deal with bullies. As I stated before, I hate bullies, had to deal with them early in my life. Sometimes the best way to deal with their bullying is to sock 'em in the nose. One good solid punch, or several, as the case may be; swiftly puts them to thinking that maybe this bullying thing isn't such a good idea after all. That punch, or rock, or stick to the head jars their thinking and gets their attention.
When I was a kid, I was bothered by a bully (bigger than me); until one day I had had enough, got mad, balled up my fist and punched said bully in the nose. The son of a bitch had the nerve to ask me why...why did I hit him?
He was only playing around. He stopped bullying me.
P.S. For some reason I thought this response was directed at me and I began to answer. Then I thought of deleting it (once I discovered my mistake), then I thought that I should leave it; to let you know my thinking.
That last statement I thought I wouldn't answer but, once again, I thought better of it.
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We?
Ridding the country of them?
Who are these "we" you're talking about? Are you doing something right now in this effort? If you are, how are you "ridding the country" of anyone? Are you shipping them to another country? Are you killing them?
Here, my final Golden Nugget: For one, they must be confronted. Why? Because it's the "punch in the nose" that's needed, not so much literally, but more in the sense that this is wrongheaded thinking. If a neighbor of yours keeps fucking with you, do you think that maybe you should say something for him to stop. But also to inform that you are asking for some consideration. Fair warning! Bad Behavior must be confronted and dealt with.
Who decides? Who decides who goes and who stays? Good question! Who indeed does decide who is superior? Who makes that determination? Dems, Repubs, Nazis or WS? Under what criteria? Skin color, really!? This country was founded under certain principles of FREEDOM; they are unwritten rules that have been passed down through generations. When this country was born, did Nazis exist? What about WS? Think about it! So, who has the right to say that this country belongs to one group who claim superiority? Did it ever belong just to them, those 230-odd years ago? What is their stake to this claim: this country belongs to us! The fact that it was stolen from the Natives of this land? Really! because of skin color? That's it!
What would be the fair way to decide this? and who gets to make that claim?
Our society, that's who, we the people!
SGG
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Quote:that's fairly easy to understand. People get killed on Soaps all the time, takes half aseason to die from a bullet. Then the person shows up next week on a different Soap, no big deal.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:I agree. It's cold blooded and harmful, and it could prove deadly if you fuck with the wrong person. I've heard of cases, on both sides of the fence.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
SGG
That kind of coldly intentional deceit and manipulation in order to 'win' feels a lot more like psychopathy to me.
Though whatever name you call it by it's still effed up.
Meaning narcs harming folk, and of narcs being harmed by folks. Plus with a narc you never know when they are speaking truth, perhaps never.
SGG
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I'm not sure that he has the self-control to be a narcissist. I think of him more as an egoistic self-promoter.
"egoistic self-promoter" - that has narcissist written all over it!
Watch and listen to his speech patterns and "I'm the only one" "The best president ever" "I know better than you." etc. - Classic narc
On rare occasions he'll flip the script, but that's part of the manipulation.
SGG
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GSTRING- not only does REAVERFAN "hate" certain groups of people, he's advocated violence against them. So while people like JSF and RAPPY hate "libtards" I don't recall them saying "They will be eradicated by the most efficient means possible". While this is framed like a "prediction", you'll notice that it applies to a category of people, and not whether they've engaged in violent behavior or not, and whether this is a situation of "Self defense" or not. So definitely "lynch mob" against a group of people.
You, yourself just posted "I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists". You did not specify that this would be in a self-defensive situation, so I guess you're advocating "lynch mob" mentality against a group of people that YOU identify, and not the application of the law after a duly constituted trial. You're the runner-up in the "hater" category.
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Quote:Jack is absolutely a Nazi. He pretends to be some middle of the road guy just asking questions, but he's just a fucking Nazi. He defends them, supports them, and calls the people who fight them the "real fascists."
Originally posted by G:
Again, you're trying waaaay too hard to not understand. Unless you really are a pro racist, Neo-Nazi, White Supremicist? I may have missed that.
Classic Nazi behavior. Sieg Heil, Jack! Polish those jackboots!
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Again, you're trying waaaay too hard to not understand. Unless you really are a pro racist, Neo-Nazi, White Supremicist? I may have missed that.
Jack is absolutely a Nazi. He pretends to be some middle of the road guy just asking questions, but he's just a fucking Nazi. He defends them, supports them, and calls the people who fight them the "real fascists."
Classic Nazi behavior. Sieg Heil, Jack! Polish those jackboots!- SHINY
Quotes and links would be nice.
Have you ever read SIX advocating racial genocide? No? Me neither, but I HAVE read REAVERFAN advocating "eradicating" groups of people, and GSTRING advocating "beating the shit out of" groups of people, so if you want to advocate real fascist-like behavior, just go support that.
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Quote:God, you're really competing with Jack for stupidest poster.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING- not only does REAVERFAN "hate" certain groups of people, he's advocated violence against them. So while people like JSF and RAPPY hate "libtards" I don't recall them saying "They will be eradicated by the most efficient means possible". While this is framed like a "prediction", you'll notice that it applies to a category of people, and not whether they've engaged in violent behavior or not, and whether this is a situation of "Self defense" or not. So definitely "lynch mob" against a group of people.
You, yourself just posted "I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists". You did not specify that this would be in a self-defensive situation, so I guess you're advocating "lynch mob" mentality against a group of people that YOU identify, and not the application of the law after a duly constituted trial. You're the runner-up in the "hater" category.
Nazis aren't looking for a debate or a dialogue, dipshit. They are actively KILLING PEOPLE. They are TERRORISTS. They don't deserve free speech any more than a terrorist from ISIS deserves to come recruit more terrorists at our colleges.
I guess you were sleeping when the teacher talked about logic.
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GSTRING- not only does REAVERFAN "hate" certain groups of people, he's advocated violence against them. So while people like JSF and RAPPY hate "libtards" I don't recall them saying "They will be eradicated by the most efficient means possible". While this is framed like a "prediction", you'll notice that it applies to a category of people, and not whether they've engaged in violent behavior or not, and whether this is a situation of "Self defense" or not. So definitely "lynch mob" against a group of people.
You, yourself just posted "I have no problem with people beating the shit out of violent Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists". You did not specify that this would be in a self-defensive situation, so I guess you're advocating "lynch mob" mentality against a group of people that YOU identify, and not the application of the law after a duly constituted trial. You're the runner-up in the "hater" category.- SIGNY
God, you're really competing with Jack for stupidest poster.
Nazis aren't looking for a debate or a dialogue, dipshit. They are actively KILLING PEOPLE. They are TERRORISTS. They don't deserve free speech any more than a terrorist from ISIS deserves to come recruit more terrorists at our colleges. I guess you were sleeping when the teacher talked about logic.- REAVERFAN
I guess YOU were sleeping when the teacher talked about logic. But at least you're consistent!
First of all, I would say that you're supporting the eradication of a GROUP of people, not based on what they've done (whether or not they've committed a crime or not) but on what YOU SAY "they" do.
Secondly, you seem to think that YOU can adequately identify who is a "Nazi" and who isn't. Yanno, having been called a "Russian troll" endlessly and inaccurately, I can tell you that THUGR, GSTRING, MAL4, SECOND, and SHINY can't tell shit from shinola, and based on the spittle that landed on my monitor from your direction, I'm very much in doubt of YOUR abilities to determine who belongs in which category. The Nazis had it much easier: at least they could tell who was circumcised or not.
The way we handle terrorists in this nation should be LEGALLY- punishment based on the individual's actions, after a duly constituted trial. That way, we can target the politically violent, whether they're radical Xtians who kill abortion providers, Antifa who mace others and club them over the head, or neo-Nazis who "KILL PEOPLE". Each one should be charged with the relevant crime and punished after a duly-constituted trial. THAT WAY, the BEHAVIOR is targeted, not a group of people, and especially not a group of people that YOU'VE identified (in your infinite wisdom) as deserving of "eradication".
You either support the rule of law, or you support mob violence' you can't have it both ways. And mob violence against a group of people is one of the defining characteristics of neo-Nazis.
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You sure that "violent" needs to be a factor?
Of course. Speech is protected, violence is not.Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm only asking because who decides who is a Neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist? I've been called the former by Guy Fawkes no less than a dozen times in the last few days. Is it alright in your eyes that somebody come to my house and drag me out and beat the shit out of me?
Don't be ridiculous. We're talking about Charlottesville. THEY decided, THEY call themselves these things, they applied for permits with those designations. Jack: you're trying waaaay too hard to not understand (bored?). We get enough of that from Kiki.Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Still, while we work on ridding the country of them, I'm happy to know some of them got shit canned.
We? Ridding the country of them? Who are these "we" you're talking about?
Geewhiz, I dunno... maybe Modern, intelligent society? < / duh >
Jack in dumbass overload: "Are you doing something right now in this effort? If you are, how are you "ridding the country" of anyone? Are you shipping them to another country? Are you killing them?
Again, you're trying waaaay too hard to not understand. Unless you really are a pro racist, Neo-Nazi, White Supremicist? I may have missed that.
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See reaverfan's post below your reply if you couldn't figure out my line of questioning.
You made some pretty stupid comments in that post that I quoted, and I wanted to see if you and reaverfan were on the same page.
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Nazis aren't looking for a debate or a dialogue, dipshit. They are actively KILLING PEOPLE. They are TERRORISTS. They don't deserve free speech any more than a terrorist from ISIS deserves to come recruit more terrorists at our colleges.
I guess you were sleeping when the teacher talked about logic.
One murderous asshole got into a car and ran people over. They have him in custody and he's going to be tried and punished. There's no way he's getting out of that. Everybody saw him do it.
Where are these gangs of roving nazis that are going door to door and beating the shit out of people and killing them?
In your own head, that's where.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Where are these gangs of roving nazis that are going door to door and beating the shit out of people and killing them?
Some in Europe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/merkel-condemns-rash-of-neo-nazi-
attacks/2015/08/26/8b485a28-bf16-4391-8214-597ec626d815_story.html?utm_term=.68877d8a8416
http://www.timesofisrael.com/suspected-neo-nazi-gangs-attack-migrants-
in-sweden/
http://www.cufi.org.uk/news/uk-neo-nazis-attack-jewish-monument-in-bir
mingham-park/
http://us.tomonews.com/a-suspected-neo-nazi-attack-on-an-asian-man-in-
barcelona-s-subway-is-causing-outrage-2918373
Here, they are mostly cowards that resort to burning crosses (we still DO have that every now and then) and spray painting nasty things on garages and cars (not going to post the hundreds of them). But we have them..
https://psmag.com/news/cross-burning-is-more-common-than-you-think-727
81
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2017/04/24/montana-c
ommunity-comes-together-neo-nazi-troll-attack/100871400/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-nazi-kkk-attacks
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Where are these gangs of roving nazis that are going door to door and beating the shit out of people and killing them?
Why would you even ask the question if you don't support them?
If you don't CONDEMN them, then you are FOR them.
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Quote:Really? Do you really think this??? I sure hope not.
I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for. - GSTRING
I can think of a million ways that this can go wrong. First of all, "standing for something" is NOT A CRIME. It's called free speech. If I were to say "I think the USA should be all white, and we should kick out all of the colored people" that's NOT A CRIME.
Now, it starts veering into criminal behavior when someone makes terrorist threats ("I'm going to kill all of you", in CA that would be called "assault") or incitement to violence ("String 'em up!") although that varies from state to state. It REALLY becomes a crime when you put words into actions. In any case, you need EVIDENCE before you can convict someone.
Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?
Quote:With all of the cellphone videos out there, it becomes a lot easier to determine "who did what". In a melee, it's important to see who started it because other people's actions could be self-defensive. Sometimes you can't tell, but in the video where an Antifa person maced a girls in the face as she was being interviewed it was very clear who the aggressor was.
The question is how do you prove who is guilty in a mob action?
And what about REAVERFAN, who wants to "eradicate" a group of people "by the any means possible"? Isn't HE admitting guilt. simply by what he claims to stand for?
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Where are these gangs of roving nazis that are going door to door and beating the shit out of people and killing them?
Why would you even ask the question if you don't support them?
If you don't CONDEMN them, then you are FOR them.
You can't defend or condemn what doesn't actually exist. You've obviously got the free time to go chasing after phantoms.
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Where are these gangs of roving nazis that are going door to door and beating the shit out of people and killing them?
Some in Europe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/merkel-condemns-rash-of-neo-nazi-
attacks/2015/08/26/8b485a28-bf16-4391-8214-597ec626d815_story.html?utm_term=.68877d8a8416
http://www.timesofisrael.com/suspected-neo-nazi-gangs-attack-migrants-
in-sweden/
http://www.cufi.org.uk/news/uk-neo-nazis-attack-jewish-monument-in-bir
mingham-park/
http://us.tomonews.com/a-suspected-neo-nazi-attack-on-an-asian-man-in-
barcelona-s-subway-is-causing-outrage-2918373
Here, they are mostly cowards that resort to burning crosses (we still DO have that every now and then) and spray painting nasty things on garages and cars (not going to post the hundreds of them). But we have them..
https://psmag.com/news/cross-burning-is-more-common-than-you-think-727
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http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2017/04/24/montana-c
ommunity-comes-together-neo-nazi-troll-attack/100871400/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-nazi-kkk-attacks
.html
Sounds like sick people committing crimes of varying degrees.
By all means give everybody their fair trial and dish out punishments to any of them.
That goes for these supposed Nazis as well as antifa or anybody else that commits crime.
I don't see what the big deal is here. Why all of this identity politics.
A crime is a crime is a crime......
And by the way... if somebody wants to burn a cross on their front lawn and they aren't part of a homeowners association and there's no laws against doing it, then they're free to do it.
It's a stupid, racist thing to do. They're ruining their own lawn and they're likely to get bricks thrown thru their windows and get a lot otherwise unwanted attention, but that is their right if it's not against the law in their area.
If their neighbors don't like it, change the laws.
I'd sure be going to a town hall meeting if my next door neighbor enjoyed burning crosses on his lawn every night. I don't need any of that shit.
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First things first - when I say "fascism", I'm referring to anyone who has a reactionary political philosophy. People like MRAs, the "Alt-Right", monarchists, the KKK, as well as legit fascists and neo-nazis. Not everyone in that list necessarily wants to implement a fascist-style government like the Third Reich, but each one shares a common belief that is central to their respective ideologies. That belief is essentially:
All humans are very different, and some people are inferior and others are superior.
Therefore, superior people are meant to rule, and inferior people are meant to serve them.
It is natural for superior people to gain power by force.
And everything works better when people know their "natural place" in the hierarchy.
And you'll see this after a passing glance with each of the ideologies listed. The KKK wants to reinstate slavery, MRAs want to make women subservient to men and legalize rape, monarchists want a king and aristocracy to rule over peasants, etc. Same shit, different label. To them, inequality is natural and even desired and the domination of the "low-borns" by the "high-borns" is ideal. Or to put it simply, strength and power are the only thing that matter.
As such, fascism tends to be an ideology espoused by people who are from oppressor-groups. Generally middle to upper class white men, but usually white bourgeoisie. It has appeal to lower class people, but for a different reason:
The fascist leader and the fascist follower are two completely different kinds of people.
The follower is the kind of person who unerringly believes that power and authority serve justice by definition, that the world is dangerous, that outsiders are to be feared, that the world has gotten worse since some (imagined) golden age, and that there are certain traditions that are utterly sacred.
The leader holds these people in contempt, sees their willingness to believe in him as weakness, sees his own willingness to pursue power as strength, and so thinks of his own followers as somewhat stupid. He may or may not believe a word of what he says, but he doesn’t care about truth anyway as long as the narrative serves him.
The administration of the fascist is full of people who have the traits of both groups. (source)
Generally, the fascist follower is a fascist because they expect someone to be lower than them (women, people of color, etc.).
Moving on - the reason why I opened with the breakdown of fascist ideology is because the emphasis on power and domination is vital. As I've said before, fascists do not care about truth, only power. If you look at fascist propaganda or try to debate fascists, you will realize this almost immediately (assuming they don't succed in manipulating you. Take this blog post for example. The post is an overview of how fascists can manipulate liberals into becoming fascists themselves. Here's a choice quote:
Neoreaction is the first known memeplex that effectively attacks the very heart of Progressivism, bypassing its otherwise impenetrable adapted defenses, worming its way into the executive routines, and shredding it’s internal rules-based order. The Progressive may not turn to the dark side, but he will forever be damaged.
Essentially, if you can't manipulate a liberal towards fascism, at least you can permanently break them into submission! And this is the key, the point of fascism is to reify social hierarchy. For people at the top, it is important that the people at the bottom submit to this hierarchy. And that necessarily involves deception and manipulation.
The thing is, for "free and open debate" to occur, your debate partner has to be arguing in good faith. Meaning, they have to be honest about their position and not trying to fuck with you. That's why that Sartre quote is so vital. Reactionaries aren't trying to make a solid argument. They're trying to intimidate. This is why MRAs harass and abuse feminists on Twitter, instead of engaging in reasoned debate. It's t
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Majority of fatal attacks on U.S. soil carried out by white supremacists, not terrorists
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/24/majority-of-fatal-atta
cks-on-us-soil-carried-out-b/
The title is misleading. White supremacists ARE terrorists.
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Majority of fatal attacks on U.S. soil carried out by white supremacists, not terrorists
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/24/majority-of-fatal-atta
cks-on-us-soil-carried-out-b/
The title is misleading. White supremacists ARE terrorists.
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Quote:Many times I conjure you are just pretending to be this dense.
Originally posted by G:Quote:"Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?"
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Really? Do you really think this??? I sure hope not.
I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for.
I can think of a million ways that this can go wrong. First of all, "standing for something" is NOT A CRIME. It's called free speech. If I were to say "I think the USA should be all white, and we should kick out all of the colored people" that's NOT A CRIME.
Now, it starts veering into criminal behavior when someone makes terrorist threats ("I'm going to kill all of you", in CA that would be called "assault") or incitement to violence ("String 'em up!") although that varies from state to state. It REALLY becomes a crime when you put words into actions. In any case, you need EVIDENCE before you can convict someone.
Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?
Huh? WTF?? How??????????
So typically full of shit and bogus assumptions - enjoy the eclipse
This is a good example.
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What is MRA?
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Men's Rights Activist.
Not fascist. Just sick of the left-wing, SJW, feminist bullshit.
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And BTW... it's not my job to condemn any attacks done by anybody. I'm not part of a sick ideology like Islam. I'm part of no group. I'm not taking part in any activities that are hurting anybody.
I'm not going to be told that because I'm white I have to condemn any belief. THAT is fucking racist for anybody to assume that I should have to.
I already said that anybody committing a crime should be punished for it. I don't know what more you SJW twats want from me, but that's all you're going to get.
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I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for- GSTRING
Really? Do you really think this??? I sure hope not.
I can think of a million ways that this can go wrong. First of all, "standing for something" is NOT A CRIME. It's called free speech. If I were to say "I think the USA should be all white, and we should kick out all of the colored people" that's NOT A CRIME.
Now, it starts veering into criminal behavior when someone makes terrorist threats ("I'm going to kill all of you", in CA that would be called "assault") or incitement to violence ("String 'em up!") although that varies from state to state. It REALLY becomes a crime when you put words into actions. In any case, you need EVIDENCE before you can convict someone.
Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?- SIGNY
Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?"
Huh? WTF?? How??????????
So typically full of shit and bogus assumptions
THIS from the person who posted ... and let me quote again...
Quote:ASSUMING MUCH?
I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for.
First, you assume that you can even tell who a neo-Nazi is. You've thrown that word around inaccurately enough that CLEARLY you can't even tell who belongs in that group.
Second, you assume that you "know" what "all" neo-Nazis stand for.
Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. "They have admitted guilt..." Guilt OF WHAT? What crime was committed? What would your indictment be? Oh, that's right ... it's just one giant clusterfuck of an assumption.
Good lord.
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Quote:You're indicted on the basis of what THEY ASSUME you think.
I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for. - SIX
You see, SIX, you stand accused of wrong thinking and wrong feeling.
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REAVERFAN, I don't care who commits the "majority" of attacks; it's not relevant to guilt or innocence or punishment. But when YOU take that tack, it sounds like you're advocating collective punishment. Do you know that's a violation of human rights and (in some instances) a war crime?
It's like SIX said
Quote:Punishing the perpetrator should be good enough.
I already said that anybody committing a crime should be punished for it.
You don't get rid of fascism by eradicating fascists, just like you don't get rid of poverty by eliminating poor people.
Quote:since you were the one advocating "eradicating" a group of people by any means possible ... what does that make YOU?
Moving on - the reason why I opened with the breakdown of fascist ideology is because the emphasis on power and domination is vital.
I've confronted this whole "ends and means" argument across many situations, from the Vietnam War to confronting terrorism to Antifa/KKK. The only ethically legitimate use of violence is self-defense. You don't get to use it preemptively, otherwise you become like the thing you're trying to fight.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You're indicted on the basis of what THEY ASSUME you think.
I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for.
You see, SIX, you stand accused of wrong thinking and wrong feeling.
Oh I know full well what's going on here. I'm glad you see it too. I think anybody with half a brain who hasn't been brainwashed can see it.
That being said, I'd appreciate it if you edit that post to attribute the quote to whoever said it. I think it was G.
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Quote:So ... calling yourself the wrong name is a crime? Wearing the wrong clothes is a crime? Applying for permits to march is a crime? Because, I'm not seeing how any of these things is something other than protected speech.
Originally posted by G:
Don't be ridiculous. We're talking about Charlottesville. THEY decided, THEY call themselves these things, they applied for permits with those designations.
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Originally posted by 6-string joker:
We? Ridding the country of them? Who are these "we" you're talking about?
Quote:So, getting rid of people you disagree with is the function of a 'Modern, intelligent society'?
Originally posted by G:
Geewhiz, I dunno... maybe Modern, intelligent society?
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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What I get out of this entire thread is that Reaverfan and 'G' think it's OK to eliminate whole categories of the wrong sort of people, whether or not any individuals have committed any crimes - because ... FASCISM !
And yet, their entire premise rings a bell. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I know it happened somewhere in history ...
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by G:
DJ is rarely ever factual.Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Who's DJ?Quote:Eh - doesn't help. All I'm coming up with is Dow Jones and Dee-Jay.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
G's best friend and mentor, his hero.
I think POTUS#45 has middle initial J. And G loves him, and emulates him.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:You're indicted on the basis of what THEY ASSUME you think.
I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for.
You see, SIX, you stand accused of wrong thinking and wrong feeling.
Oh I know full well what's going on here. I'm glad you see it too. I think anybody with half a brain who hasn't been brainwashed can see it.
That being said, I'd appreciate it if you edit that post to attribute the quote to whoever said it. I think it was G.
Done.
Yes, it was G.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why all of this identity politics.
And by the way... if somebody wants to burn a cross on their front lawn and they aren't part of a homeowners association and there's no laws against doing it, then they're free to do it.
It's a stupid, racist thing to do. They're ruining their own lawn and they're likely to get bricks thrown thru their windows and get a lot otherwise unwanted attention, but that is their right if it's not against the law in their area.
If their neighbors don't like it, change the laws.
I'd sure be going to a town hall meeting if my next door neighbor enjoyed burning crosses on his lawn every night. I don't need any of that shit.
Mah Gawd. You do realize that they don't burn crosses on THEIR laws, they burn them on OTHER people's lawns as a form of intimidation?? They spray paint slang on cars, on houses, throw bricks through windows.... BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFY WITH NAZI'S!!!!!!
We call them NAZI'S because if they thought they could get away with it, they would round up everyone that doesn't look like them and murder them.
The INTENT is the same, hence THEY ARE NAZI'S. The DATE doesn't matter a DAMN.
The ONLY reason you could possibly whine about the name is that YOU identify with white supremacists, but you don't want to consider yourself a Nazi.
If you feel ANY similarities with white supremacists YOU.. ARE... A... FUCKING... NAZI....
And lemme tell you, there ain't a damn thing "supreme" about you
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You're the one who knows all about them Wishy. I guess I wouldn't know who's lawns they burn crosses on.
We don't have people like this where I live. I've never personally met anybody like this. I guess where I live people are just normal. We all just get along.
Just another in a long list of reasons that you should move out of Satan's Asshole, IN.
Keep up the hate, and stay classy girl.
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Figured I'd repeat this for people who can't read.
And BTW... it's not my job to condemn any attacks done by anybody. I'm not part of a sick ideology like Islam. I'm part of no group. I'm not taking part in any activities that are hurting anybody.
I'm not going to be told that because I'm white I have to condemn any belief. THAT is fucking racist for anybody to assume that I should have to.
I already said that anybody committing a crime should be punished for it. I don't know what more you SJW twats want from me, but that's all you're going to get.
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Quote:WISHY, the essential thing about "neo-Nazis" is that they want to drive out/ eradicate certain groups of people who look different or have different beliefs or morals than they. They use violence to achieve their racial or religious or political ends.
Why all of this identity politics.
And by the way... if somebody wants to burn a cross on their front lawn and they aren't part of a homeowners association and there's no laws against doing it, then they're free to do it.
It's a stupid, racist thing to do. They're ruining their own lawn and they're likely to get bricks thrown thru their windows and get a lot otherwise unwanted attention, but that is their right if it's not against the law in their area.
If their neighbors don't like it, change the laws.
I'd sure be going to a town hall meeting if my next door neighbor enjoyed burning crosses on his lawn every night. I don't need any of that shit. - SIX
Mah Gawd. You do realize that they don't burn crosses on THEIR laws, they burn them on OTHER people's lawns as a form of intimidation?? They spray paint slang on cars, on houses, throw bricks through windows.... BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFY WITH NAZI'S!!!!!!
We call them NAZI'S because if they thought they could get away with it, they would round up everyone that doesn't look like them and murder them.
The INTENT is the same, hence THEY ARE NAZI'S. The DATE doesn't matter a DAMN.
The ONLY reason you could possibly whine about the name is that YOU identify with white supremacists, but you don't want to consider yourself a Nazi.
If you feel ANY similarities with white supremacists YOU.. ARE... A... FUCKING... NAZI....
And lemme tell you, there ain't a damn thing "supreme" about you
Do you really think "Nazis" are the ONLY ones who do that? So, what is with this "Nazi" fixation? Is that the only word you know?
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Seeing James Corden obstructing public street intersections with his crosswalk plays, makes me wonder why they aren't run over or thrown in jail. Deport him back to UK.
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Quote:From your description it seemed you were talking KKK, but you only said Nazi.
Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:Mah Gawd. You do realize that they don't burn crosses on THEIR laws, they burn them on OTHER people's lawns as a form of intimidation?? They spray paint slang on cars, on houses, throw bricks through windows.... BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFY WITH NAZI'S!!!!!!
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why all of this identity politics.
And by the way... if somebody wants to burn a cross on their front lawn and they aren't part of a homeowners association and there's no laws against doing it, then they're free to do it.
It's a stupid, racist thing to do. They're ruining their own lawn and they're likely to get bricks thrown thru their windows and get a lot otherwise unwanted attention, but that is their right if it's not against the law in their area.
If their neighbors don't like it, change the laws.
I'd sure be going to a town hall meeting if my next door neighbor enjoyed burning crosses on his lawn every night. I don't need any of that shit.
We call them NAZI'S because if they thought they could get away with it, they would round up everyone that doesn't look like them and murder them.
The INTENT is the same, hence THEY ARE NAZI'S. The DATE doesn't matter a DAMN.
The ONLY reason you could possibly whine about the name is that YOU identify with white supremacists, but you don't want to consider yourself a Nazi.
If you feel ANY similarities with white supremacists YOU.. ARE... A... FUCKING... NAZI....
And lemme tell you, there ain't a damn thing "supreme" about you
Are you linking Nazis as followers of the Democrat's murderous enforcers KKK?
The other thread didn't make that exact link, but it does sound plausible.
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So, getting rid of people you disagree with is the function of a 'Modern, intelligent society'?
That's exactly what I said to those Nazis
SGG
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It's a good thing you don't disagree with Jews. Or gypsies, labor leaders, socialists ...
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Originally posted by G:
And yet another Nazi sympathizer emerges. How many is that now? 2, 4?
LOL... you're a clown like the other idiot here.
Yep. Everybody is a Nazi. That's a scary world you live in, snowflake.
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Yanno GSTRING, you're a shining example of everything that's wrong with self-labeled liberals/ antifa. (And, no, I'm not saying that you ARE a self-labeled liberal/ antifa, it's just that your views are just like theirs, and therefore a good example of their internal self-contradiction.)
Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you .
Right now, you're so far into political hatred you've become a parody of yourself, and you can't even keep your own story straight. EXAMPLE:
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First, you assume that you can even tell who a neo-Nazi is. - SIGNY
Read much? I said if "they say they are a neo-Nazi, or White Supremacist..."- GSTRING
Let's see, has anybody here self-identified as a Nazi, neo-Nazi, or Nazi sympathizer? No?
And yet, HOW MANY "NAZIS" have YOU identified here?
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And yet another Nazi sympathizer emerges. How many is that now? 2, 4?- GSTRING
As far as I can tell, what you do is label anyone who doesn't get on board your hysterical hate-train as some sort of "enemy". Wow, hate-crazed much?
Quote:Do you mean the original WWII Nazis, or do you mean neo-Nazis, white supremacists, or ethno-identitarians? Because they're all somewhat different.
Second, you assume that you "know" what "all" neo-Nazis stand for. - SIGNY
Correct - I assume they believe and promote Nazi ideology. Don't you? What do you think Nazis stand for? - GSTRING
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Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. - SIGNY
Nope, Not "standing for something" "standing for Nazi ideology." - GSTRING
Well, you're wrong. Standing for something .... even standing for "Nazi" ideology ... ISN'T a crime, AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO CRIMINALIZE FREE SPEECH AND MAKE "WRONG THINKING" A CRIME.
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Good lord indeed. It's so *funny* how you were hell bent to tarnish and damn Ukrainians with the "Evil Nazi" moniker ("Yatz is aNazi - here's him doing a Nazi salute!" total bs btw), but now you are their champion. It's kinda queer the way you can turn on a moral dime like that and just type out one lie after another. SIGNYM: Defender of Nazis.
GSTRING: My problem with the neo-Nazis in Ukraine wasn't the goose-stepping torchlight parades and swastikas, it was the fact they they helped depose an elected government by violent means, burned 32 people inside the Trades Union building in Odessa, dragged people off of buses and beat them for being of the wrong language group, formed armed militias and engaged in "ethnic cleansing".
Also, I didn't label ALL Ukrainians as "Nazis". Did I not say many times that most Ukrainians who participated in Maidan wanted to stroll down the boulevards and drink coffee at coffee-shops? That they wanted a different life-style, but that there were provocateurs among them? Yes, I believe I did. FUNNY HOW YOU FORGOT THAT, ISN'T IT?
You really should read George Orwell's 1984. In that book, people could be arrested for thought crimes, and you seem to want to bring that kind of authoritarianism about.
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]Originally posted by Riverlove:
No, liberals aren't "the " "real" fascists. There's plenty of political violence on the right wing as well. Unfortunately, political violence isn't a limited commodity.
You're engaging in the same "us" versus "them" thinking that's destroying us, and which will destroy democracy.
ALL REVOLUTIONS AND CIVIL WARS BEGAN WITH TEARING DOWN STATUES. Let's not head in that direction with identity politics, ok? Let's just focus on people's individual criminal actions, instead of trying to draw sectarian lines between "us" and "them". There are a million different ways that we can divide ourselves, but the practical differences in power and advantage between men and women, blacks and whites. gays and straights, rightwing versus leftwing, is nothing compared to the difference between the 0.01% and the rest of us. Fighting over our relatively small differences when we have so much in common is not only pointless, it's counterproductive.
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Quote:then perhaps outlawing statue removal is the way to maintain peace. Seems to have worked for more than a century.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:No, liberals aren't "the " "real" fascists. There's plenty of political violence on the right wing as well. Unfortunately, political violence isn't a limited commodity.
You're engaging in the same "us" versus "them" thinking that's destroying us, and which will destroy democracy.
ALL REVOLUTIONS AND CIVIL WARS BEGAN WITH TEARING DOWN STATUES. Let's not head in that direction with identity politics, ok? Let's just focus on people's individual criminal actions, instead of trying to draw sectarian lines between "us" and "them". There are a million different ways that we can divide ourselves, but the practical differences in power and advantage between men and women, blacks and whites. gays and straights, rightwing versus leftwing, is nothing compared to the difference between the 0.01% and the rest of us. Fighting over our relatively small differences when we have so much in common is not only pointless, it's counterproductive.
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Quote:OK, I guess you really are trying to prove you are this dense.
Originally posted by G:Quote:You just equated Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims with Nazis. How long have you felt that way?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you .
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Quote:according to that opinion I could be declared a Nazi just by mentioning the dire world where Hitler was warring on 5 fronts and winning on all of them. It was a feat of military power.
Originally posted by G:Quote:Who said anything about arresting them? Who said I wanted to deny their rights to Free Speech? You can't stop lying. Although... Who said I forgot your coffee stroll imagery? I said you called Yatz a Nazi. Didn't you? How many lies is that in one post?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, you're wrong. Standing for something .... even standing for "Nazi" ideology ... ISN'T a crime, AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO CRIMINALIZE FREE SPEECH AND MAKE "WRONG THINKING" A CRIME.Quote:GSTRING: My problem with the neo-Nazis in Ukraine wasn't the goose-stepping torchlight parades and swastikas, it was the fact they they helped depose an elected government by violent means, burned 32 people inside the Trades Union building in Odessa, dragged people off of buses and beat them for being of the wrong language group, formed armed militias and engaged in "ethnic cleansing".
Good lord indeed. It's so *funny* how you were hell bent to tarnish and damn Ukrainians with the "Evil Nazi" moniker ("Yatz is aNazi - here's him doing a Nazi salute!" total bs btw), but now you are their champion. It's kinda queer the way you can turn on a moral dime like that and just type out one lie after another. SIGNYM: Defender of Nazis.
Also, I didn't label ALL Ukrainians as "Nazis". Did I not say many times that most Ukrainians who participated in Maidan wanted to stroll down the boulevards and drink coffee at coffee-shops? That they wanted a different life-style, but that there were provocateurs among them? Yes, I believe I did. FUNNY HOW YOU FORGOT THAT, ISN'T IT?
You really should read George Orwell's 1984. In that book, people could be arrested for thought crimes, and you seem to want to bring that kind of authoritarianism about.
Since you don't seem too familiar with what a neo-Nazi is, here's what and who you are defending:
"Neo-Nazism consists of post-World War II militant, social or political movements seeking to revive the ideology of Nazism. The term neo-Nazism can also refer to the ideology of these movements.
Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antiziganism, antisemitism, and initiating the Fourth Reich. Holocaust denial is a common feature, as is the incorporation of Nazi symbols and admiration of Adolf Hitler.
Neo-Nazi activity is a global phenomenon, with organized representation in many countries, as well as international networks. In some European and Latin American countries, laws have been enacted that prohibit the expression of pro-Nazi, racist, anti-Semitic or homophobic views. Many Nazi-related symbols are banned in European countries in an effort to curtail neo-Nazism."
Why do you protect and defend such people? Next you'll be lecturing us about ISIS' rights to free speech.
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Quote:post of the week goes to RiverLove.
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Again.
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You Nazis and Nazi lovers are not only ignorant of facts and history, but you inhabit a fantasyland of falsehoods.
Once again, for the people in the cheap seats:
Nazi terrorists murdered 2 people in Charlottesville.
Antifa SAVED LIVES.
You are pro-fascist. Antifa are the ANTI-fascists.
Stop wearing swastikas, and pick up a book.
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Quote:No. YOU are the real fascists. You support actual fascists. Because you're stupid.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:post of the week goes to RiverLove.
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Again.
You'll note, if you actually read anything about it, that Nazis are fascists. Anti fascists are the opposite of them. They're lifesaving heroes.
You'll also note that the Nazis ALWAYS come ready to stab and shoot people, and they do.
Riverlove wins stupidest poster of the year.
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Quote:Just angry, bitter men who are losers with women, so they blame women for their inadequacies. Men like you, Jack.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Men's Rights Activist.
Not fascist. Just sick of the left-wing, SJW, feminist bullshit.
Lots of them come to Nazism from there. They're losers in life (like you), and it's everyone else's fault.
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Quote:There were so many facets of the of Nazi doctrine, and admiring any individual one of them seems to identify one as Nazi in Gstring's view.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:LOL... you're a clown like the other idiot here.
Originally posted by G:
And yet another Nazi sympathizer emerges. How many is that now? 2, 4?
Yep. Everybody is a Nazi. That's a scary world you live in, snowflake.
IIRC economic productivity was one facet, and with today's Clinton born and Obama brainwashed snowflakes perhaps productivity really is the face of evil.
ED: and, umm, ditto for RF.
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Quote:does anybody know which media bubble RF resides in?
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:No. YOU are the real fascists. You support actual fascists. Because you're stupid.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:post of the week goes to RiverLove.
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Again.
You'll note, if you actually read anything about it, that Nazis are fascists. Anti fascists are the opposite of them. They're lifesaving heroes.
You'll also note that the Nazis ALWAYS come ready to stab and shoot people, and they do.
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Quote:No, you dumb shit, I'm equating YOU with Nazis. You're engaging in the same kind of hate-speech. The only difference between you and them is that your target groups are different.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you . - SIGNY
You just equated Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims with Nazis. How long have you felt that way?- GSTRING
Quote:
Who said anything about arresting them? Who said I wanted to deny their rights to Free Speech? You can't stop lying.- GSTRING
You did, when YOU posted that "standing for Nazi ideology is a crime. Here, let me quote you
Quote:
Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. - SIGNY
Nope, Not "standing for something" "standing for Nazi ideology." - GSTRING
Now, I know that you're going to post that you didn't complete that sentence, that you didn't SAY that standing for Nazi ideology is a crime, but your meaning is crystal clear to everyone, and if you take that tack you're just going to look like the weasely coward that you are.
SO, if standing for Nazi ideology is a "crime", then it should be possible to arrest people who do. Right?
Quote:GSTRING, is the ACLU a neo-Nazi group? Because my position and theirs is the same. You can't seem to make the leap past defending WHAT someone is saying versus defending their right to say it.
Since you don't seem too familiar with what a neo-Nazi is, here's what and who you are defending
Quote:OOOH, ISIS! The ultimate boogeyman! I'm scared now! [/snark] Muslims are free to preach that the world would be better off if we all converted to Islam. About Allah. About how everyone who is a Shiite is an apostate, and that women should know their (very subservient) place in the world. They can talk about that until the cows come home. What they are NOT free to do is recruit for, support, engage in, or incite terrorism (i.e. political violence), or overthrow the government. (They're also not supposed to libel people, but that's another story.) I'm sure that there are other limits on free speech that I've forgotten about.
Next you'll be lecturing us about ISIS' rights to free speech.- GSTRING
But there ARE limits to "free speech", you know.
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Quote:EXCEPT WHEN THEY MACE YOUNG WOMEN IN THE FACE UNPROVOKED. EXCEPT WHEN THEY CALL FOR ERADICATING PEOPLE BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE. THEN THEY HAVE CROSSED THE LINE INTO CRIMINAL VIOLENCE AND VEERED VERY CLOSE TO INCITING VIOLENCE OR MAKING TERRORIST THREATS.
Anti fascists are the opposite of them. They're lifesaving heroes....
- REAVERFAN
This is really disturbing. REVAERFAN, I thought you were at least a little reasonable. There is no group that is 100% anything. Antifa is made of individuals; some are good and some engage in criminal violence. At the same time that I wouldn't call them the "real fascists", I sure wouldn't call them "lifesaving heroes" either.
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Quote:No, you dumb shit, I'm equating YOU with Nazis. You're engaging in the same kind of hate-speech. The only difference between you and them is that your target groups are different.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:- SIGNY
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you .
You just equated Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims with Nazis. How long have you felt that way?- GSTRING
Quote:You did, when YOU posted that "standing for Nazi ideology is a crime. Here, let me quote you
Who said anything about arresting them? - GSTRING
Quote:Now, I know that you're going to post that you didn't complete that sentence, that you didn't SAY that standing for Nazi ideology is a crime, but your meaning is crystal clear to everyone,
Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. - SIGNY
Nope, Not "standing for something" "standing for Nazi ideology." - GSTRING
fair certain
Quote:too late.
and if you take that tack you're just going to look like the weasely coward that you are.
Quote:
SO, if standing for Nazi ideology is a "crime", then it should be possible to arrest people who do. Right?
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Just angry, bitter men who are losers with women, so they blame women for their inadequacies. Men like you, Jack.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Men's Rights Activist.
Not fascist. Just sick of the left-wing, SJW, feminist bullshit.
Lots of them come to Nazism from there. They're losers in life (like you), and it's everyone else's fault.
I'm not angry or bitter. I'm doing just fine, snowflake.
How's that crippling debt treating you? Your student loans? Your mortgage? Do you even own a house?
Once again, I should probably point out your fierce hatred that you rant about with nearly every post, and how you want to hurt people.
Go back and look at my posts. I don't do that.
Who's the angry and bitter person here? Everybody else sees it.
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Quote:is there any contributor here more angry or bitter than RF?
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:I'm not angry or bitter. I'm doing just fine, snowflake.
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:Just angry, bitter men who are losers with women, so they blame women for their inadequacies. Men like you, Jack.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Men's Rights Activist.
Not fascist. Just sick of the left-wing, SJW, feminist bullshit.
Lots of them come to Nazism from there. They're losers in life (like you), and it's everyone else's fault.
How's that crippling debt treating you? Your student loans? Your mortgage? Do you even own a house?
Once again, I should probably point out your fierce hatred that you rant about with nearly every post, and how you want to hurt people.
Go back and look at my posts. I don't do that.
Who's the angry and bitter person here? Everybody else sees it.
G sometimes flares up, but RF seems to reign supreme. Maybe others in the past, but RF's deluge of late swamps tbe rest.
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Quote:GSTRING's contribution to the board seems to be to follow me from thread to thread, trolling. Seriously. he just doesn't seem to know how to talk about a topic; personal insult is as far as he gets. REAVERFAN at least talks about ideas. Although he seems to be driving into the ditch lately too.
G sometimes flares up, but RF seems to reign supreme.
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Quote:Yes, you found me out!
Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you. - SIGNY
You just equated Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims with Nazis. How long have you felt that way?- GSTRING
No, you dumb shit, I'm equating YOU with Nazis. You're engaging in the same kind of hate-speech. The only difference between you and them is that your target groups are different. - SIGNY
You just equated all groups as deserving the same treatment - nazis, jews, gays, etc - you're just too spineless to admit it. Its right there in print. You typed it.- GSTRING
ALL GROUPS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAWS AND DESERVING OF THE SAME PROTECTIONS. Incitement and terrorist threats ... doesn't matter if they're directed against gays or against the KKK. You got a problem with that, you moron??? Take it up with the ACLU and the Constitution.
Quote:Wow. Even your fans will see what an idiot you are.
Plus, bonus Siggy BS round: "The only difference between you and them is that your target groups are different." God you're a genius!
I don't hate jews or gays, I hate Nazis. While here you are defending them.- GSTRING
Quote:As predicted:
You did, when YOU posted that "standing for Nazi ideology is a crime. Here, let me quote you:Quote:
Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. - SIGNY
Nope, Not "standing for something" "standing for Nazi ideology." - GSTRING
Now, I know that you're going to post that you didn't complete that sentence, that you didn't SAY that standing for Nazi ideology is a crime, but your meaning is crystal clear to everyone, and if you take that tack you're just going to look like the weasely coward that you are.
You are right again - I never said it was a crime - you corrected one of your own lies, thx toots.
Quote:So now everyone will see what a weasely coward you are. You're a man who stands behind his words. 50 feet behind.
Now, I know that you're going to post that you didn't complete that sentence, that you didn't SAY that standing for Nazi ideology is a crime, but your meaning is crystal clear to everyone, and if you take that tack you're just going to look like the weasely coward that you are.
Quote:
You can't seem to make the leap past defending WHAT someone is saying versus defending their right to say it. SIGNY
And you can't seem to read your own writing. You can't seem to keep things straight in your own head. People can say whatever they want, but some speech should have consequences. You SAID IT YOURSELF in this thread:
"But there ARE limits to "free speech", you know." That was you right?- GSTRING
Yes LEGAL limits. Not mob violence' which BTW is criminal.
Quote:Nope!
Muslims are free to preach that the world would be better off if we all converted to Islam. About Allah. About how everyone who is a Shiite is an apostate, and that women should know their (very subservient) place in the world. They can talk about that until the cows come home. What they are NOT free to do is recruit for, support, engage in, or incite terrorism (i.e. political violence), or overthrow the government. (They're also not supposed to libel people, but that's another story.) I'm sure that there are other limits on free speech that I've forgotten about.
But there ARE limits to "free speech", you know. - SIGNY
Good god you're getting closer. Have you ever read the Daily Stormer? Any WS or Nazi online mag? -GSTRING
Quote:The limits of free speech have been tested over and over and over and over. If an
Is promoting violence via public speech against other groups/people - is that ok? I shouldn't have to ask you that but that's how far off the rails your thinking is.- GSTRING
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
does anybody know which media bubble RF resides in?
Little Lord Nazipants proves every day he resides inside Rachel Maddow's manly bubble butt.
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Quote:OK. I dont follow her, she seems waaaay to incompetent to pay attention to.
Originally posted by Riverlove:Quote:Little Lord Nazipants proves every day he resides inside Rachel Maddow's manly bubble butt.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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You pro-Nazi traitors comparing antifa to the Nazi terrorists are wrong. It's like comparing chemotherapy to cancer. Antifa is the cure. Nazism is the disease.
The antifa heroes saved lives. The Nazi terrorist murdered innocent people.
Let eyewitnesses tell you about it. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/what_
the_alt_left_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html
Also, about the permits. http://www.snopes.com/counter-demonstrators-permits-charlottesville/
You idiots just keep making fools of yourselves.
You're traitors and enemies of America.
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Quote:Let's start with ALL GROUPS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAWS. Clearly, there is nothing in our laws which says we need to protect terrorists, because engaging in violence for political purposes is what, again? Oh, yes: A crime.
ALL GROUPS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAWS AND DESERVING OF THE SAME PROTECTIONS. Incitement and terrorist threats ... doesn't matter if they're directed against gays or against the KKK. You got a problem with that, you moron??? Take it up with the ACLU and the Constitution. - SIGNY
Ha! Nice try! Problem? Yes, I have a huge problem with you changing the subject to protect your flawed logic. This isn't about "if a group is attacked blah blah blah...." Here's your bullish*t logic in ALL CAPS:
"ALL GROUPS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAWS AND DESERVING OF THE SAME PROTECTIONS."
Is ISIS a group? Are radical Islamists a group? Yes, they are groups, but obviously (to most humans) we do not nor should we protect them. Your logic fails. - GSTRING
Logic fail much?
When someone crosses a line from legal to illegal behavior, they should be prosecuted.
Quote:I'm free to defend that Constitution! Oh, gee, thanks!
Somewhere on the line between peaceful protest / peaceful, non violent groups, and extremely violent and radical groups like ISIS are Nazis and White Supremacists.
We do have free speech, so you are free to go ahead and defend and protectNazis and White Supremaciststhe Constitutional right to free speech all you want.
Quote:Dood! I'm not the one who goes on and one and on and on about them! I'm not the one CONSTANTLY bullying people here! I'm not the one who's willing to cross Constitutional lines!
It's not surprising in the least as you have shown that you have a dark fascination for the violent bullying, murdering type: Putin, Assad, Trump, Nazis, White Supremacists. Quite a list you're building, isn't it?
The one who has the fascination with them is .... you!
Yanno, I'm going to try and lay a few lessons on you. I've brought this up several times before, and I'm absolutely certain that you're going to argue against it, but here goes ...
ONE OF YOUR PROBLEMS (you, REAVERFAN, THUGR, and KRAPO) is that you change your threshold of "right" and "wrong" depending on WHO you're looking at, not at WHAT is being done. I hate to pick on REAVERFAN, but his is the most recent example: If someone from the KKK had talked about "eradicating" anyone "by any means possible", you would have had an apoplectic fit. My gawd, we'd STILL be hearing about how horrible it is!
The fill in the blank is talking about eradicating (circle one) Jews/ gays/ POC/ women/ undesirables/ other.
But when it's REAVERFAN, and he's posting about eliminating people that HE thinks are right wing ... note, I said "right wing" not right wing criminals ... well, that's unremarkable! It must be OK because - rightwing! "We" ALL feel that way, don't we? That btw is the origin of mob violence.
Did you ever look at a statue of Lady Justice? In many cases, she's depicted with a blindfold.
Why do you suppose that is?
As for your OTHER BIG PROBLEM, I'll get to that later!
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So, to go back to your first big problem (wobbly sense of right and wrong) my guess is that you've been steeped in movies and television which presents righteous violence as a good thing.
In reality, righteous violence is a crime. Two recent examples, both men fighting for custody: One killed his son, the other (allegedly) killed his ex-wife and then kidnapped his son.
Yep, I guess that showed everyone how deserving they were of custody!
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Your SECOND BIG PROBLEM is that you also have an extremely wobbly sense of evidence. ANY old statement drifting your way will do, as long as it agrees with your beliefs! Naked accusations, in particular, are your meat and potatoes. You accept them absent any evidence, and you make them absent any evidence. Countervailing evidence is dismissed or denied. You'll also accept sheer speculation, stawmanning, ad hominems and other rhetorical device which suits your (emotion-based, belief-based) purpose.
Clearly, you're not interested in finding out the truth. I'm not sure that you even think there is such a thing. Maybe you think the universe is subject to your opinions about it.
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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
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